Chang Jiang 750

[sidecar bob]

When you lay down on a road racing sidecar at about 280k's with the foreward most part of your body being your face, with 200 hp bolted on behind you, along with another crazy bastard who jumps around all over the back of it so that the both of you can go as fast as possible, only then do you realise that there is something very bloody wrong with you but,what a f*#kin rush.

Theres nothing wrong with me!!
Hey i seriously wanted to enter one of these things in classic sidecar class at Wanganui this year, that would be hilarious. I assumed there may have been a NZ distrubtor that wanted some exposure, but it would seem not.

[CJ750]

I thought about talking to Annan to see if he wanted it for the parade lap at Wanganui with a super soaker fed with water and an air bottle in the chair.
I have tried emailing the guy I got my one off about a kiwi depot for parts etc. He has said he will help me with a webpage but it will be of no use if all the parts still by travel by sea passed Mars on their way here.

[sidecar bob]

I thought about talking to Annan to see if he wanted it for the parade lap at Wanganui with a super soaker fed with water and an air bottle in the chair.

Scrivy & i Will do It!!!

[Motig]

Looked at your photos of the outfit CJ. Must say it looks not to bad. Great retro.

[CJ750]

I had to laugh ,the last time I saw Scrivvy and probably you was at Ruapuna early 06 at Ruapuna ,I think it was the GP. The year that Steve Bron first rode the Sellar LCR. I was down there giving Phil Garrett a hand when he first put his black worm on the track. He was absolutely fucked half way through, Steve Bron only managed to get to half throttle and you guys on that short yellow thing waving at the crowd .When you both got off the bike you looked like you could go do it all again. Good to see good engineering riding over the top of money.

[GrayWolf]

They're very similar to the old Dnepier, Ural (urinal) and Cossack from the USSR. Think they became the Soviet factory in the late 80's. Why an old 1930's sidecar?? Well before they were banned from the UK because of having a right hand sidecar, you could by the real militaryt spec chair with the driven sidecar wheel and all the extra 'armour' plating and machine gun mounts still fitted.
Now thats gotta be a blast!!

[CJ750]

When the germans lost the second war in a row the russians and the yanks cut germany into east and west germany. The russians got the east. They seized the BMW factory which had made the R71 from 1938 and took it all to Russia. They made some mods like shifting the sidecar wheel back to line up with the rear wheel so that they could drive them both. The Ural was born. About 1955ish the Chinese got hold of all the original tooling etc that the ruskys had seized and they continued making them in their flathead form to replace a 500cc thing that they were building.In about 1985ish the Chings begged the russians for the OHV model that they had been working on to upgrade their now quite old bike. So its bloody hard to say when any bike or part for that matter was actually made. My bike has been registered as a 1958 model and I really dont give a fat rats arse when any of it was made. When bits break or just stop working I will repair it .

[xwhatsit]

Almost, but you're confusing two models there -- the R71 and the R72. The R71 (old 1930s design) the Germans gave willingly to the Soviets just prior to the war when they were still `buddies' -- gave it willingly because they already had the much better R72 almost done, which they were building because they felt the R71 was old hat and not quite up for Blitzkrieg etc. The Soviet version of the R71 was used for a while, then it got given to the Chinese as part of some communism-brotherhood thing they had, in the mid-late-50s.

Meanwhile, after WWII finished, that's when the Soviets pissed off with the R72, which turned into the Ural and those current Russian sidecar outfits. So the Ural and the CJ750s are from two different models -- very closely related though. Ural is the one to have, if you're fighting WWII I suppose.

[inlinefour]

Anybody looking for one??? there is one on trademe at the moment

Id only have one if it was legal to carry a firearm. As there is no chance of that happening, I cannot see the use for one. It looks like a cross between a bmw and a lada.

[CJ750]

As for where they came from I only wrote down what I have read on many websites. It doesnt really matter where it came from as it is now here in NZ. In fact I probably would have bought one even if the aussies were making them lol. As for saying it is a cross between a bmw and a Lada,thanks very much....... I have a photo in a box somewhere of an old brown Lada I owned for a while. It has a trailer hooked on the back and on it is the Britten that Stroud rode to victory at Daytona. I looked after the Britten for a day at a festival ,helping kids to get on it for photos etc. As for the Lada, always remember, "A second class ride is better than a first class WALK"

[Bonez]

"A second class ride is better than a first class WALK"

Very good.

[Ixion]

The "500 thing" was a soviet copy of the Zundapp.

[Kickaha]

I thought about talking to Annan to see if he wanted it for the parade lap at Wanganui with a super soaker fed with water and an air bottle in the chair.

I reckon we'd be up for that

I was down there giving Phil Garrett a hand when he first put his black worm on the track. He was absolutely fucked half way through, .

You'd hardly recognise that bike now it's changed hands, the Tv set on the back has gone and it has a decent airbox, and it's gone faster than when Phil owned it

[CJ750]

That word pops up again,"copy". I suppose that way back then the easy way to make something was to copy something someone had already developed. Seems like theft and laziness to me but it goes hand in hand with just how dodgy the chings come across. It is still cool to ride though.

[Motu]

Technology was money back in the '30's and 40's when money had no value,and blueprints for motor vehicles were used as lubrication in politics.How many versions of the DKW were there?....whole industries were built on it.The old sidevalve was given to the Russians by Hitler to keep them happy.....but after the Russians came to Berlin very unhappy...they stole the new model which became the Ural.The sidevalve was given to the Chinese to shut them up after a bad deal.Just more rumours to add to our mix.

Don't be so defensive about your ride CJ750,there has only been one slightly negative post about the CJ750 in this whole thread - everyone else wants one,we are all interested and more than a little envious.