Biker runs from cops

[Dave-]

that sucks, condolences to the family and friends.

the best way to stick it to the man isn't to run, it's to take it in your stride, this is something the man cannot do.

[Grub]

Police chases give me the shits, people die innocently or otherwise.

Yup so people should learn not to do a runner - simple. You can't outrun a radio signal.

[Boob Johnson]

Yup so people should learn not to do a runner - simple. You can't outrun a radio signal.

You can if you turned off while out of his site, 2 mins later, what chase?

[stanleychung]

Nothing to hide, no need to run. Its very sad for his love ones or those close to him.

[Cynos]

My friends lived next door to where he died. It looks like he cornered wide, and hit a pile of wet leaves on the road, slipped sideways, and then either came off, and then his bike hit a pole a glancing blow, or he hit the pole a glancing blow and then came off.

Either way he ended up sliding? rolling? down the road into a car, as did his bike, but the damage to the car doesn't look bad enough to have been what killed him, so I'm thinking that maybe his bike rolled over him, but I'm speculating.

I do know that his helmet came off in the crash, but not sure at what point. And he didn't die instantly.

On a personal note, I think that running from the cops is stupid, and that the particular road he chose was even stupider, as it's got a terrible surfacing and getting onto it involves slowing right down for some sharp corners, which will give the coppers a chance to catch up, but I don't think that anyone deserves to die for being a dumbass.

I also feel sorry for the poor bugger because I can easily envisage tumbling along the road, and knowing I'm about to hit a car and die.

[Jdogg]

Boob Johnson Said
You can if you turned off while out of his site, 2 mins later, what chase?

Its not fucking grand theft auto...Just because you get away with it then doesn't mean you will all the time, its a numbers game , 9 out of 10 times you get away BUT that 1 time you don't, you end up either like this guy (RIP) or you lose your license and become a burden to your loved ones, crash into other road users etc

Do you even think of your family and other road users etc? most likely not with selfish comments like that . Do you think that public roads are your personal race track?

I pity the fool that crashes into me and my family when they are doing the runner it would be the worst decision that they ever make

[madboy]

...its a numbers game , 9 out of 10 times you get away BUT that 1 time you don't...

From my experience it was 14 out of 14 times you do - and some of those were not so "accidental". And that's just on a bike, we're not talking about my youth in cars cos that was about 30+ to 2. But I decided not to put myself in a position where I needed to try the 15th bike runner.

Look, this is the same ole shite... It's a risk. Pure and simple. Sometimes risks pay off, sometimes they don't - that's why it's called a "risk". Fatjim summed it up - you do a risk analysis and base your decision on that.

Anyone here ever crossed a road? How do you decide when to do that? Ask some people dabbling in the sharemarket about risk, or investors in finance companies.

Condolences to this chap's family, and the poor buggers who have to deal with the aftermath (cops included).

[Boob Johnson]

Its not fucking grand theft auto...Just because you get away with it then doesn't mean you will all the time, its a numbers game , 9 out of 10 times you get away BUT that 1 time you don't, you end up either like this guy (RIP) or you lose your license and become a burden to your loved ones, crash into other road users etc

Do you even think of your family and other road users etc? most likely not with selfish comments like that . Do you think that public roads are your personal race track?

I pity the fool that crashes into me and my family when they are doing the runner it would be the worst decision that they ever make

Totally understand your position dude, but what the fella above said is nail on the head, you asses the risk at the time & make a decision. He ran from the 5-0 in middle of city ffs!! I just wouldn't ever do it. THAT is really high risk in my book. Of course it is all a risk but you can't tell me that when you are on a reasonably quite OPEN highway that you know well how easy it is to put a gap between any car then turn off, it's over that quickly.



Mate if the government want to STEAL from us with the quite obvious change in roading policy ie: extremely low chance of getting off tickets these days, then they are making it more attractive to run, it's as simple as that. If you know there is a 99.9% chance you will get a ticket then you have decision to make. Previously in the good ol days the officer was left to make a decision & had a bit more leeway.


I respect the officer (a human doing his job), I respect the badge & the job they have to do I just don't respect our current governments choice to turn our police force into a cash cow

[Blackshear]

You guys need to calm down a little.
I did a runner from the cops today. Came around the corner a little noisy and mr. put on his woopwoops. Noticed my lane was chocca, so went around the bend, and turned left into a commercial building and into their tree garden. Actually got off to comment on their setup, quite nice gardening.

It may as well have been a poll.
1. You run, dependant on circumstances.
2. You run. Never ever, no way.

Ya know guys?
Here's a good vid explaining what I mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnMDrv8Mx3E
Hope you guys had a good Friday, don't waste this awesome weekend!!

[Odee13]

How many people run from the cops and get away?? We don't know!
A lot I would amagine.
A lot of people die on the roads who aren't being chased from the police
How about the person who does stop thinking "well I'm only doing 120 tops" then finds out..No ..126kmph in what is just recently reduced to a 80 area and you instantly lose your lenience for 28 days plus the $630 fine. You can't use public transport because there is none,your self employed,you can't even apply for an exempt. you get caught, your work van gets impounded,you go bankrupt, you can't even face the Missus or the 5 kids you can no longer support...at least I you died trying to get away.. I"ve got live insurance!
RIP Dude!

[Trick.Import]

Totally understand your position dude, but what the fella above said is nail on the head, you asses the risk at the time & make a decision. He ran from the 5-0 in middle of city ffs!! I just wouldn't ever do it. THAT is really high risk in my book. Of course it is all a risk but you can't tell me that when you are on a reasonably quite OPEN highway that you know well how easy it is to put a gap between any car then turn off, it's over that quickly.



Mate if the government want to STEAL from us with the quite obvious change in roading policy ie: extremely low chance of getting off tickets these days, then they are making it more attractive to run, it's as simple as that. If you know there is a 99.9% chance you will get a ticket then you have decision to make. Previously in the good ol days the officer was left to make a decision & had a bit more leeway.


I respect the officer (a human doing his job), I respect the badge & the job they have to do I just don't respect our current governments choice to turn our police force into a cash cow

Fully agree with evrything you say here, except respecting the officers, the highway cops are a bunch of fucking losers in my opinion, no more use than the common parking "enforcer", theres a hell of a lot more problems in this country like the 36000 cars getting stolen each year, the thousands of burglarys murders etc, everytime i drive to work ill spot at least 2 cops driving up and down the motorway but when travelling through the scums of otahuhu will never spot 1, the only places they should be are blackspots on the road not fucking bombay straights

[sAsLEX]

I just watched 10/7 - a guy got done for lying to cops (false information), 3rd time DIC, and he blew 980 (400 limit). He got a telling off and community service.

My point is - why run and risk killing someone else when the worst that will happen is a little fine and maybe some community service for speeding.

As recidivists in this country get bugger all punishment.

I on the other hand would receive a book , thrown hard and heavily at me for that offence.

[Subike]

to throw a different light onto this ,
ok, a guy is dead, and he was a rider, not what we want to hear,
but
What if this David Fowler, was a member of a bikie gang, had a record spaning 30 years, and was carring drugs at the time.
Would the thread have the same theme ?
There has been an obvious lack of information as to who this guys was, that makes me curios of the whole eppisode
Just my thoughs

[Boob Johnson]

to throw a different light onto this ,
ok, a guy is dead, and he was a rider, not what we want to hear,
but
What if this David Fowler, was a member of a bikie gang, had a record spanning 30 years, and was carrying drugs at the time.
Would the thread have the same theme ?
There has been an obvious lack of information as to who this guys was, that makes me curios of the whole episode
Just my thoughts

Yep good point. Running at night & in a city is right up there in the high risk stakes, maybe he had a particular reason as you say.

[SpeedMonger]

There are only ever two outcomes from running;

Success, so you will probably do it again because you have had a positive experience.
Failure, resulting in injury, prosecution or in this case death.

Risk assessment is probably a bit generous - it is a snap decision, you don't have time to pontificate the pro's & cons. You go for it or pull over.

Once you go you are committed - you have failed to stop, even if you do have a change of heart and pull over up the road. The andrenalin is pumping by then anyway and the chances of pulling over are minimal.

You can't tell me that there aren't officers that enjoy the thrill of the chase.
You have to wonder what the public benefit is to chase a fleeing bike, raising the potential threat to the public tenfold. Speeding in itself doesn't seem to justify it in my mind. If they can't get your plate within a couple of minutes they should pull the pin.