Gas Gas, any good?

[secondfield]

Yep' the ole mx vs enduro bike for riding rears it head again. I dare to venture that its easier to modify a mx bike for enduro type terrain than ride an enduro bike effectively in mx.

Mx bikes by their nature are built light and for speed. A major drawback for some is the gearbox. But in tight enduro conditions are you really changing gear that often? if you gear your bike suitably (front and rear sprocket) to match the style of riding your doing then your halfway there.

You can tone down the delivery of an mx bike (flywheel weight - 4 stroke / reed valves two stroke) quite easily. Not to mention the dual ignition curves that are being offered on things like the new kato's and the gas gas we are looking at.

I still maintain a 48 tooth sprocket on the back of a 450 is a good compromise to keep the front end down on the steep hills, along with some smooth clutch action and familiarity with the bikes tolerances. You can torque those engines when needed without excessive clutch use or just use the huge bottom end to tractor through / over / under obstacles / ruts whilst staying just above idle. If your not supremely fit and have to stop every now and then they are far more forgiving than a two stroke. Untouchable on the open sections.

Kez is a bit of a technical rider though and he'd probably enjoy the added weight reduction/ flikability of the gas gas. But definately ride before you buy in this case. It'd take a bit of getting used to after a 450 ie little or no engine braking, keeping it on the pipe all the time (specially the 200's 250's), and getting roosted with Karipoti greywacke by us as we fly past you on the 450's bettween brakes.

Remember sunday kez? those kato 2 smokers struggling to get up the 'a' section of the totara trailride, those guy's were reasonably seasoned riders too. Competition types. My dirty ole 450' got up there with little fuss. Possibly a fluke though ... had to drop the tyre pressure a bit for that one..

But that gas gas is a nice bike! probably take 6g for it... 70 hours on it. he's looked after it.

[Reckless]

Tried what you say with my CR250, fly wheel weight, gearing, tuning etc and never got it quite like the 200exc is straight out of the box. Never could achieve the low down torque the 200 has! But in saying that I'm not what you'd call a seasoned rider either!
You might be quite correct when applying that scenerio to 4 strokes though never owned one so I don't know.
Also your point about the hill climb. There's no doubt in my mind the power delivery of a 4 stroke does make them very good climbers!! But with 3 bikes to run for me and the kids I simply can't afford it! I can strip a 2 smoker down blind folded but them expensive titanium valves scare me!

Congrats on the bike 2-slo we'll be the Kato 200 forum soon!!! Bloody jealous tho I'd love a later model!!!

[Wellyman]

My Gasser has never put a foot wrong. only the rider makes the fuck ups!
I love my gasser, and am not looking forward to having to sell it in the near future.
WM

[kezzafish]

My Gasser has never put a foot wrong. only the rider makes the fuck ups!
I love my gasser, and am not looking forward to having to sell it in the near future.
WM

how much ya want? is it road registerable? i'm thinking of getting rid of the motard (oh it hurts) so i can keep my SXF and have a 2smoke enduro plugger

[Wellyman]

Not selling it quite yet. yes it is road reg if you put it back on.
WM

[kezzafish]

your not the man i parked next to at totara park on Sunday are ya? with the ohlins susp? i'm the lanky ginger on the big ginger 4 stroke

[Danger]

By the way, I had a customer in this week with a very low hour (about 21 hours I think it was) '07 KTM250 EXC this week. He had an accident and is off the bike for about 8 months. He wanted about $7000.00 for his bike and was putting it on Trade Me but if anyone wants his number or better yet lets me know their number I'll try and hook you up.

[kezzafish]

By the way, I had a customer in this week with a very low hour (about 21 hours I think it was) '07 KTM250 EXC this week. He had an accident and is off the bike for about 8 months. He wanted about $7000.00 for his bike and was putting it on Trade Me but if anyone wants his number or better yet lets me know their number I'll try and hook you up.

very interested my friend, I need to sell my SM first tho (i'm gonna stick it up in the motard section now!) and as long as he has the road kit. Do ya recon he'll take 6 cash?
i can't PM you? call me 027 220 6030

[Danger]

No you can't PM me, but I will pass your number onto the man tomorrow. I doubt he would take $6000.00 cash as the bike is already very good value at $7000.00 and I'm sure he would want to try Trade Me first but thats for you to negotiate with the seller. $7000.00 cash would probably purchase the bike. But I have only met the guy briefly so who knows?

[Danger]

Orange 2 stroke, 200, I'm to much of a girl for the 300.

Good stuff! I'm sure you wont regret it if you set it up right. And hey, its the girls that need the electric start that get the 300's!

[Ktmboy]

Good stuff! I'm sure you wont regret it if you set it up right. And hey, its the girls that need the electric start that get the 300's!

oooh you're a suggestive biarch Danger... I see ya little digs all over the place...

Have to put my 10c in(don't have 2cents anymore).
The 300 I find is actually easier and faster to ride than the 200. Prolly due to the extra HP that hauls my arse around. You should get one Danger. But then maybe not as the 300 is 385mm ground clearance and the 200 is 390mm clearance. That extra 5mm could mean more sore tutsies
Don't see many 450's getting past me on hill climbs though.

[B0000M]

they were selling brand new 300cc 07s a few months ago (to make way for new stock)for $7800 and 250s for about $7250. i can't click that trade me link cos my computer at work blocks trade me. what model are we looking at here? what hours? what price?

try ktunnel.com

lets you go to whatever sites you want through ktunel. no more pesky work blocking things!

[B0000M]

Tried what you say with my CR250, fly wheel weight, gearing, tuning etc and never got it quite like the 200exc is straight out of the box. Never could achieve the low down torque the 200 has! But in saying that I'm not what you'd call a seasoned rider either!
You might be quite correct when applying that scenerio to 4 strokes though never owned one so I don't know.
Also your point about the hill climb. There's no doubt in my mind the power delivery of a 4 stroke does make them very good climbers!! But with 3 bikes to run for me and the kids I simply can't afford it! I can strip a 2 smoker down blind folded but them expensive titanium valves scare me!

Congrats on the bike 2-slo we'll be the Kato 200 forum soon!!! Bloody jealous tho I'd love a later model!!!

just as a matter of interest, and i can't remember - what exause system did your cr250 have?

[Reckless]

just as a matter of interest, and i can't remember - what exause system did your cr250 have?

Pro circut Platinum Pipe and yes would prolly have been better with a Fatty and yes Pipe is everything on a 2smoker but I didn't want to spend another 5 hundy on an 01 bike.
Your probably much better suited to the CR B000M your quite a bit faster than me and can handle the power delivery better. But for me I got so frustrated with being tentative on the throttle all the time. Still the CR was a bloody good bike.

[B0000M]

Pro circut Platinum Pipe and yes would prolly have been better with a Fatty and yes Pipe is everything on a 2smoker but I didn't want to spend another 5 hundy on an 01 bike.
Your probably much better suited to the CR B000M your quite a bit faster than me and can handle the power delivery better. But for me I got so frustrated with being tentative on the throttle all the time. Still the CR was a bloody good bike.

yea, im not bagging your choice of bike by any means. i think for your riding style and genre what you have is probably better - at the end of the day the bike you can ride most comfortably and fastest at the same time is the best bike forr you.

for the record though, allthough i never rode an 01 to compare, ive ridden -05s / 06s (no changes between these models) with both the pro circuit and the fatty, and allthough the procircuit offers gains up high, it seriously lacks in the bottom end.