True Production Racing series

[gixerracer]

I don't think anyone wants to destroy the formula classes. Just an opportunity to go racing on stock bikes against other guys on stock bikes.

By the way, if yours was the only bike in the top ten with stock suspension, what does that say to you?

Apart from the fact that you're fast on a motorcycle, of course.

It tells me that about 15 other guys spent at that time 2-3k on suspension and they didnt need it because they were slow and stock would have been ok we did do some work to ours with some different oil and a Maori ride height adjuster, my point is most them guys would have been better off spending that money doing more racing/learning but of coures I was APPARENTLY cheating that year to go that fast[ go figure a] I think had I have had the suspension my results would have been better maybe still get 2nd but i wouldnt have crashed so often and maybe taken the fight a bit closer to Ray Clee who won and deserved so as he was better organised and prepared than me, Thanks Ray I learnt alot from you that year.

[jrandom]

It tells me that about 15 other guys spent at that time 2-3k on suspension and they didnt need it because they were slow and stock would have been ok

True.

Like I said in response to slowpoke in the other thread, I've run out of steam on this subject. You make good points.

I reckon I'll just go race on whatever I can for a while, and come back and whinge some more next summer if I haven't changed my mind.



But, y'know, you're kinda making the point I was getting at - you were basically faster than those guys, but they were spending more money on their machines, and so you were crashing trying to keep up with them and ending up lower in the results than your ability should've put you.

And me personally, I'd rather see the cost barrier taken away and the playing field levelled.

Peace out.

[brads]

What a load of crap if the bikes havent improved over the last htree years then they will be more than competitve. I won the 600 class Nationals on a K4-5 gsxr and the times done then would have probly still got top three last season. End of story. I have won a race a long time ago so I hope Im allowed a say
Buying a 04-05-60 bike is a great way to do it cheaper, bikes are cheap and the 2nd hand race bits are 30% of there normal retail price and if you are a good enough rider you will be more than competitvie.
I also finishd 2nd in 1997 and I think I was the only bike in the top 10 that had stock suspension sorry robert haha so if you wish to try hard you can compete I also had more crashes that year than any other. Proddie racing a great Idea and im all for it but dont destroy to top classes just because people cant be botherd cleanning there bikes and having a shave and trying to get the funds together to do it right most people dont need the after maerket shit anyway untill you get up to a seriopus speed on what you have[ sorry again bob

Up untill the last round I was also on stock springys,then went and got one of those tricky yellow springys,went slightly faster but not enough to hold onto 2nd in the championship,bastard.

[wharfy]

I....different oil and a Maori ride height adjuster...

Is "Maori" a brand name ?
From the context I read it as you implying that things "Maori" are sub standard.

If that is the case I find it offensive and ask that you edit the post and remove it.

If that is not the case please accept my apology and edit the post to make it clear that is not the what you meant.

Thank you.

Kevin Waugh

[Cajun]

Is "Maori" a brand name ?
From the context I read it as you implying that things "Maori" are sub standard.

If that is the case I find it offensive and ask that you edit the post and remove it.

If that is not the case please accept my apology and edit the post to make it clear that is not the what you meant.

Thank you.

Kevin Waugh

I think Craig Sheriffs, is talking about having a kiwi home made custom backyard made part.

[k14]

Is "Maori" a brand name ?
From the context I read it as you implying that things "Maori" are sub standard.

If that is the case I find it offensive and ask that you edit the post and remove it.

If that is not the case please accept my apology and edit the post to make it clear that is not the what you meant.

Thank you.

Kevin Waugh

I think he is referring to it in the context of a cheap, quick home made job. I'd usually refer to it as a rangi job but same thing

[wharfy]

I think he is referring to it in the context of a cheap, quick home made job. I'd usually refer to it as a rangi job but same thing

If by "rangi" you mean a generic word for a Maori (like "Fido" for a dog) I find that more offensive and not even remotely funny.

[steveyb]

gone fishing

[vtec]

Damn it guys, we aren't a politically correct website and I'm glad, we all know what a Rangi job is I really don't think Wharfy's feelings are hurt (if they are HTFU), I just think that he's getting off on telling people what to do. Sorry Wharfy mate, but pull your head in. Surely you've got bigger fish to fry. Go start a thread trying to get people to stop using the terms "maori job" or "rangi job" if you want. But don't sidetrack this thread with your political views.

Thanks for your input Craig, you're one of the most inspirational riders I've seen mate. You are a cut above.

[wharfy]

Thanks for your input Craig, you're one of the most inspirational riders I've seen mate. You are a cut above.

Yes he is indeed, and I respect his opinion on anything to do with bikes. (I am assuming you are correct that gixerracer=Graig Shirrifs ) and he probably doesn't need you to speak for him.

My feeling are hurt only to the extent that you presume that no KB user would be offended by you using derogatory terms even if "everyone knows" what you mean.

Not subscribing to "political correctness" is an excuse people use to behave badly.

I wasn't telling anyone what to do - I was asking (quite politely I thought) .

[discotex]

My feeling are hurt only to the extent that you presume that no KB user would be offended by you using derogatory terms even if "everyone knows" what you mean.

It's a bloody tall ladder you'll want if you're going to try get on that horse.

Every second post here could offend someone based on gender, race, political views or sexuality.

[steveyb]

gone gone gone

[vtec]

Deleted also.

[Robert Taylor]

If by "rangi" you mean a generic word for a Maori (like "Fido" for a dog) I find that more offensive and not even remotely funny.

( off subject ) Do you find the word Pakeha ( and its literal translation ) offensive also? I do but dont make a song and dance about it. As of the despatch of the Labour party back to where they belong PC nonsense will be ( thankfully ) less valid.

[Robert Taylor]

( On subject ) Shaun has chosen a model ( GSXR600 ) for his proposed race class that needs a whole load less work to it suspension wise than other brands / models to make it work satisfactorily and not too readily screw tyres. The trick will be to run a compound that will give decent grip without being over ''temperature window'' sensitive and therefore pre-disposed to shearing.
If the current sports production rules are largely left well alone ( superstock perhaps, ie , bone stock under the engine bolts ) and such a class as Shauns can ultimately run with it ( privateer cup ? ) then it should keep everyone happy right? The ''technical element'' should not be scared / legislated away from the elite classes.