True Production Racing series

**Cleve** · 27th November 2008, 21:44

Originally Posted by jrandom

Fuck me, I never realised. Mr Shiriffs has enlightened us; it's the beard that makes me slow.

I shall shave it off forthwith. Podiums await!

Then big money sponsorship

and then you won't have to worry about dumbing every one down to the same low level of equipment because you are too poor and want to race on cheap stuff...

**sAsLEX** · 27th November 2008, 22:08

Originally Posted by jrandom

It's the beard that makes me slow.

Someone should of told Max.

**Kickaha** · 28th November 2008, 05:22

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Someone should of told Max.

The kleenex sponsorship must be so he can wipe all his dribble about not having the best gear up

**FROSTY:Me** · 28th November 2008, 06:10

Originally Posted by cowpoos

Nah...I picked neither...You'd be on the side of pit lane talking to anyone who will listen...about how fast you are!!!!

When have I EVER said I was fast? I'm as slow as a wet week. Its just that on a few occasions other people have been slower.

Oh and Robert has already hinted at this one Even if you are tecnically limited to "factory" suspension If the bikes arent held as Shaun is suggesting then some riders will be on er better factory setups than others. The old brown paper bag in the back door of the suspension guru's trick.
I saw it happen with certain "production" classes back in the late 80's early 90's --Hmm whats that nipple on the side of your factory RGV shock??

**wharfy** · 28th November 2008, 06:53

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Dickens, Twain both rampant racists by your book.

Yes - (I don't know how rampant they were and they were products of there time, and Twain WAS a reasonably well off white man in the US south) I still admire the writing of both and Dickens did have a social conscience.

What I am trying to get across is that no matter what you think the word means it is the person that receives it that takes offence. No matter how innocent or factual the statement is.

exactly !! - I am 54 years old I was born in Huntly and spent my school years there. I have heard the expression "Maori job" used hundreds of times - and ALWAYS to indicate an inferior job.
What I was trying to get across was that "I" found it offensive and suspect that most of the 650,000 people in NZ that identify as Maori would too.

And on the shaving thing. Not only personal appearance but the bikes appearance and how you approach racing in a professional way, such as a full concise clear and well proof read race CV, is what will make a sponsor look at you twice.

And also how you conduct yourself in public, how many sponsorship dollars would Rossi loose if he bandied about the word "nigger" ?

Just in case you think I have no sense of humour -
Here is a racist joke:

"How does every racist joke start ? With a look over your shoulder "

Cheers bro.

**jrandom** · 28th November 2008, 06:54

Originally Posted by wharfy

"How does every racist joke start ? With a look over your shoulder "

That's only 'cos everyone knows darkies are violent.

**Toast** · 28th November 2008, 09:00

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Sorry Robert you are talking about the guys at the pointy end here.
Theres a bunch of guys I can think of right now that would be going a shit load faster by spending the money on LAPS rather than suspension or engine or whatever. This isn't emotion its simple fact.
There is NO replacement for time on bike.
Being real here -put ME on a bike built by YOU especially for me and that track at that time of year.
Put me on the same bike with well set up factory suspenders but with 5 trackdays under my belt in 5 weeks.
I know for a fact I'll go faster on the factory stuff.
I have NO doubt at all that good suspension improves the bike and therefore laptimes.
I do doubt its a replacement for just doing race laps

I guess everyone's experience is different...

I as an average joe bought a race bike that handled like a chopper and struggled with it

Everytime I sought help from experts on the handling side, things improved and I enjoyed it more...

Shaun helps me set up what it's already got...-3 seconds at Taupo, straight away

Rear shock sprung and valved for my weight per RT's specs...-1 second at Puke, straight away (and -4 seconds at Manfeild a year later with no practice on that track). Not to mention tyre life duobled

Robert puts Racetech stuff in the front end...-1.5 seconds at Taupo, straight away

Not saying that money buys performance, but I was hitting brick walls on a bitsa bike, and help from these kind of people to set a bike up sure teaches you what you should be aiming for and how to get the most out of a machine.

You need to balance rider improvement with machine improvement, and for those of us that don't know shit, that means spending money with someone else to help out at the expense of track time.

**Shaun** · 28th November 2008, 12:29

Originally Posted by Toast

I guess everyone's experience is different...

I as an average joe bought a race bike that handled like a chopper and struggled with it

Everytime I sought help from experts on the handling side, things improved and I enjoyed it more...

Shaun helps me set up what it's already got...-3 seconds at Taupo, straight away

Rear shock sprung and valved for my weight per RT's specs...-1 second at Puke, straight away (and -4 seconds at Manfeild a year later with no practice on that track). Not to mention tyre life duobled

Robert puts Racetech stuff in the front end...-1.5 seconds at Taupo, straight away

Not saying that money buys performance, but I was hitting brick walls on a bitsa bike, and help from these kind of people to set a bike up sure teaches you what you should be aiming for and how to get the most out of a machine.

You need to balance rider improvement with machine improvement, and for those of us that don't know shit, that means spending money with someone else to help out at the expense of track time.

Thanks for the compliment dude. You have descibed what Devoloping a bike and team/Rider is all about, and the best to way to get that done

You know I know you know that others know that what Robert and Serious suspension companies, ie ohlin's etc etc Know is better than Standard Simple Fact.

But Skids are Skds, Yee Haa