Bike crash statistic thread for '09

[Mom]

... i came round a corner to see a blue 90s falcon on my side of the road W.T.F got on the grass gave him the finger and he thort it was funny....next corner well fuck me a subaru in the middle of the road with a jetski on the back .

So my question is if i was involved in a accident in any of those 2 with every thing else in the media of course it would of been my fault . LIKE FUCK IT WOULD OF...

I agree with you, but sadly if you did come to grief, you will be counted as another motorcycle injury statistic and therein lies the problem. Currently we are all being tarred, penalised and about to be taxed to hell for the fact that we are vulnerable on the road.

[scumdog]

There are 2 problems here caused by the New Zealand penchant for thinking they are all racers.

1/ The guy in front is travelling at 98kph - I must get past him so I can travel at 110kph
2/ Hey, I'm doing 100kph and that guy is overtaking me - I must squeeze the gas and show him who is boss.

the combination of these two trains of thought will make someone overtake when there is just enough room to complete it and this will decrease to zero when the other train of thought increases the velocity of the car being overtaken thus eliminating any possibility of the safe completion of the maneouvre.

I have witnessed this so many times - New Zealanders are such lovely people until they get their grubby hands on an internal combustion engine then they turn into homicidal fuckwits.

Please mend thy ways - I always get called a nana - and I'm fucken proud to wear that badge.

I'm with him, to often I've seen biker execute a dodgy overtaking maneouvre when in fact overtaking was probably not really needed - definitely not at the time they chose to overtake.

Some wouldn't be safe on a Raliegh 20 with no pedals.

[FJRider]

- As a road user group, motorcyclists are statistically over represented in the amount of ACC claims as opposed to other road user groups.

Motorcycle accidents are those involving a motorcycle. Road legal or not. ON the road or not. Four wheels or less. Perhaps if those that ride motorcycles, that are not currently required to pay ACC levies (as such) DO...Fees may remain as they are. Perhaps registration only (no WOF needed) for all motorcycles that will never go on the road.

[Motu]

Perhaps registration only (no WOF needed) for all motorcycles that will never go on the road.

That's how it used to be,before they went to the current continuous registration.ALL motorcycles were registered and had a plate allocated.My Rickman Metisse was a motocross bike,and had never been used on the road - I put it on the road using the original plate.Many years ago I saw a list of ACC payouts for a 6 month period (was in a local Taranaki rag) and motorcycles were well down on the list (early '90's)....and off road motorcycle accidents were listed separately.That may have changed too.

[Winston001]

A couple of points regarding the whole ACC thing that I hope we can agree on.

- When riding a motorcycle the human body is far more likely to be damaged as the result of an 'incident' (define this as you wish, your fault, my fault, act of God etc)

- Whether the cause of the 'incident' is rider error or external input the result is the same.

- As a road user group, motorcyclists are statistically over represented in the amount of ACC claims as opposed to other road user groups.

- Under a user pays system, a group that consumes more, pays more. This is true across the board, that is why the ACC levy on an office worker is less than that of a high rise window cleaner, a simple effect of the risk assesment......

Excellent post.

Guys and gals - some of you simply don't get it: MOTORCYCLES are DANGEROUS. If we choose to ride them, we have to live with the consequences. I know that seems unfair when cagers cause accidents, but the fact is, if you expose yourself to a collision with solid objects, wearing nothing more than a helmet and toughened clothes, your body is just a sack of mush inside a skin - and you lose.

Nothing to do with fairness. It''s just logic.

The answer? Buy a big 4WD with lots of airbags - or don't leave the house.

[Katman]

but then again we are not stupid we all know what we are doing

That has to be a strong front runner for the Pisstake of the Year.

[Katman]

Guys and gals - some of you simply don't get it: MOTORCYCLES are DANGEROUS.

No they're not.

Motorcyclists are dangerous.

[dipshit]

If theres fifty motorcycle fatals in a year and 75% of them were caused by cars not seeing the motorcycle, why the fuck should motorcycle ACC levies go up????

Where did you get that figure from? Have you been attending BRONZ meetings or something?

Of all motorcycle accidents in NZ last year - major and minor - 39% were caused by other road users.

If just looking at fatals - 75% were the fault of the rider.

Having a car pull out in front of you around town on a busy Friday night will probably result in a broken leg or something.

Having a blast over your favourite twisty bit of road out in the countryside at 100mph will pretty much see you dead if you fuck up a corner and go through a fence.

I know which one of these two scenarios would concern me the most.

[Marmoot]

but they do get crashed into!!! still a crash no???

so there's speed involved, no?

[Winston001]

No they're not.

Motorcyclists are dangerous.

Yeeeessss but that's the same argument run by the American National Rifle Association. Guns aren't dangerous, people are. Thats not much help to the robbery victim on the end of a bullet.

So I maintain that motorcycles, along with chainsaws and microlights etc, are inherently dangerous. If we choose to enjoy them, why should the average taxpayer bear the cost of our injuries?

[Katman]

So I maintain that motorcycles, along with chainsaws and microlights etc, are inherently dangerous.

Nooooooo they're not (except for the microlights - if the engine cuts out you're fucked). A properly maintained motorcycle is not dangerous at all. The only danger occurs when you place a human on said motorcycle.

[riffer]

So I maintain that motorcycles, along with chainsaws and microlights etc, are inherently dangerous.

Nooooooo they're not (except for the microlights - if the engine cuts out you're fucked). A properly maintained motorcycle is not dangerous at all. The only danger occurs when you place a human on said motorcycle.

You're both splitting hairs. The correct phrase is:

"The act of riding a motorcycle carries a greater likelihood of exposure to risk and therefore injury in the unlikely event of an unexpected impact compared to other vehicles."

[GTRMAN]

Nooooooo they're not (except for the microlights - if the engine cuts out you're fucked). A properly maintained motorcycle is not dangerous at all. The only danger occurs when you place a human on said motorcycle.

So then the answer is to remove the rider from the equation......


seriously though, any object is safe until it is put into the hands of a human, so for the sake of argument can we agree that we are talking about motorcycles with human pilots ?

[Katman]

"The act of riding a motorcycle carries a greater likelihood of exposure to risk and therefore injury in the unlikely event of an unexpected impact compared to other vehicles."

I'll happily put my name to that one.

People need to learn to recognise the difference between 'inherent risk' and 'danger'.

[coppepa]

I have only been in NZ for a short while so do not have an in depth knowledge of the biker world here. Over the last few days I've continually been hearing of 50 biker deaths in the last year and it is openly accepted that 50% of these are not biker fault. So forget the accuracy of the overall figures and focus on the 'State' seeming to be happy in the 50% of deaths cause by incapable drivers and what is being done about? Where are the biker organizations demanding that action is taken in driver education, don't the Government realize that 'bikers are voters' not just yobs on 2 wheels.
The World Health Organization have a mandate to reduce road deaths, banning bikes is an easy win for them. How long before some politico has a look at what's going on in Europe and decides to introduce the draconian measures being hawked around, ban bikes, control them from satellites, make it so bloody difficult to get a full license that in a generation no one will have a full license anyway.
We have to get organized even with it meaning making the 'authorities feel 'a bit of pain' the have to realize that the biker community has a voice. Since I have been in NZ i have been on a couple of ride outs, breast cancer and a toy run so there are why not a ride to say to Keys mob what the hell are you doing to reduce bjker deaths by 50%

Ride Safe Coppepa