Bike crash statistic thread for '09

[Katman]

I believe Katman is about to explain that as he was there, has taken all witness statements, infact talked to the riders of all the bikes involved, he will have the speed calculated from measurements he took at the scene. In fact Katman is about to eclipse the SCU here. Bet he will even be able to say if any of those involved had been drinking or not!

I have a very strongly formed opinion of what I think happened, you would have to have rocks for brains if you can not work out for yourself how this crash happened.

See the difference is, I have the balls to say it.

[AllanB]

Ah ACC

Try this one then, it will get some of you going......

No ACC payout on motorcycle injuries if you do not have suitable safety gear on - gloves, full length trousers, footwear etc.

So if you ride wearing jandals, shorts & a singlet, plus helmet of course to make it legal and come off, then ACC will not pay for stitching your feet back together after the jandals split them in two, or pay for your skin grafts on knees, legs, elbows, or pay for rebuilding you fingers with what's left of your toes.

User pays - you'd lose your house paying for the above. Would not worry me as I always wear the correct gear, it's bad enough grazing your hand on concrete let alone sliding down the road at 100kms per.

Just a thought for discussion.

[Mom]

See the difference is, I have the balls to say it.

But I am a girl.... I dont have balls

The difference is, I chose my time and place mate, timing being the key here

[Katman]

But I am a girl.... I dont have balls

The difference is, I chose my time and place mate, timing being the key here

Spoken like a true lightweight.

[AllanB]

But I am a girl.... I dont have balls

The difference is, I chose my time and place mate, timing being the key here

And we wait for the numerous offers of 'balls' for her to play with.......

[Ixion]

What about the speed that the rider was overtaking the line of cars at?

And it's probably not wise quoting Dodgyiti's mishap when it was directly caused by a motorcyclist riding like a fuckwit.

(Not Dodgyiti if anyone's wondering).

I have no information at all about what speed the overtaking rider was doing. Nor, I suspect, have you. I have not seen any mention in the press that he was going noticeably fast. Indeed , ironically, if he HAD overtaken at warp speed the accident might not have happened. But that sort of crash could happen at 80kph. Or 100kph. Or 120 kph. Or 200 kph. Try riding a motorbike, two up, directly into a group of other motorcycles at ANY of those speeds, and see what happens.

And although the initator of the chain of events in Mr D's case was a crashed motorcyclist (I have no information as to how he was riding) it could have been anything at all that caused the boat tower to take violent evasive action (credit to him that he did, BTW).

[FJRider]

Why cant they just put the levy on the fuel, then anyone using it has made a contribution

They already do... its called GST. Common name... TAX... you buy it, you pay it, plus the associated duties that is collected off fuel...

[AllanB]

A visit to the 'Akaroa' (really Taitapu) site this morning quickly cleared up exactly what went wrong there.

[arj127]

Well lets hope they don't get to out of hand when they raise the motorcycle rego next time

[McJim]

At the end of the day 'they' are the gubbermint and will do exactly as they please regardless of trends or public opinion.

I must confess I have seen more risky overtaking here than in blighty though - I would suggest it's kiwis as a group that are at fault rather than just motorcyclists. I have had to brake and come to a complete stop on more than one occasion to allow an oncoming vehicle to complete their ill-thought maneouvre.

There are 2 problems here caused by the New Zealand penchant for thinking they are all racers.

1/ The guy in front is travelling at 98kph - I must get past him so I can travel at 110kph
2/ Hey, I'm doing 100kph and that guy is overtaking me - I must squeeze the gas and show him who is boss.

the combination of these two trains of thought will make someone overtake when there is just enough room to complete it and this will decrease to zero when the other train of thought increases the velocity of the car being overtaken thus eliminating any possibility of the safe completion of the maneouvre.

I have witnessed this so many times - New Zealanders are such lovely people until they get their grubby hands on an internal combustion engine then they turn into homicidal fuckwits.

Please mend thy ways - I always get called a nana - and I'm fucken proud to wear that badge.

[AllanB]

There are 2 problems here caused by the New Zealand penchant for thinking they are all racers.

1/ The guy in front is travelling at 98kph - I must get past him so I can travel at 110kph
2/ Hey, I'm doing 100kph and that guy is overtaking me - I must squeeze the gas and show him who is boss.

Mate, that's part of the written test when you do go for your license, and you answered both correctly

I'm afraid I'm guilty of number one on the bike many times.........


I was talking to someone down from Auckland over Xmas - apparently North Islanders are much more courteous drivers than us Southern chaps.

[Mom]

Spoken like a true lightweight.

Yeah well what can I say to that..."I own my weight" is best I can offer, sometimes I choose to be silent, but there are times I will voice my opinion very loudly. Look put it this way, I had a friend die as the result of a motorcycle crash not that long ago. It was rider error, sad but true, he fucked up and paid with his life. Talk to me about him and I will tell you he fucked up, the crash was his fault.

He is not the first friend that I have lost as a result of riding on two wheels. My first was 29 years ago this coming January 20th. I will never forget. He was young, and such a fantastic young man, he fucked up by cutting a corner and met a car head on. He collected another friend of mine on her way to work. One dead friend, one injured friend (who has had to live with him smashing through her windscreen eveyday since then) and the rest of us that were left behind. I sold him his bike...

EDIT: He was a dickhead! He killed himself cutting a corner, he hurt a friend of mine, she needed plastic surgery for the damage to her face. He left behind a heap of grieving people. He threw away his life potential! He was dick!

[FJRider]

And take little notice of statistics, they can prove whatever you want them to prove...

[GTRMAN]

A couple of points regarding the whole ACC thing that I hope we can agree on.

- When riding a motorcycle the human body is far more likely to be damaged as the result of an 'incident' (define this as you wish, your fault, my fault, act of God etc)

- Whether the cause of the 'incident' is rider error or external input the result is the same.

- As a road user group, motorcyclists are statistically over represented in the amount of ACC claims as opposed to other road user groups.

- Under a user pays system, a group that consumes more, pays more. This is true across the board, that is why the ACC levy on an office worker is less than that of a high rise window cleaner, a simple effect of the risk assesment.


So where to from here?

In my opinion, as a road user group we need to stop acting like idiots with a death wish on the roads. I don't mean to upset all the safe riders out there but in this case the behaviour of the few will affect the experience of the many. One thing that doesn't sit well with most of us is the concept of personal responsibility but that is exactly what we need, want to pay less on your ACC in your rego? then do everything in your power to ensure that you and everyone you ride with rides defensively at all times. If we can make sure that we are doing all WE can to ensure that we are safe on the roads, then and only then do we have the moral authority to petition the government to better train the cagers in situational awareness.

Just my thoughts

[gunrunner]

If half the Riders on this site stopped using the roads as their personal fucking racing track then the rider fatalities and injuries would drop like a stone particulary around the coro loop.

Riders should stop looking for excuses and look at themselves.

On saturday i went for a ride around Lake Wairarapa and just after i saw a group of 3 fellow bikers going the other way towards featherston i came round a corner to see a blue 90s falcon on my side of the road W.T.F got on the grass gave him the finger and he thort it was funny , thort against turning and chasing cause of what was the point so next corner well fuck me a subaru in the middle of the road with a jetski on the back .
So my question is if i was involved in a accident in any of those 2 with every thing else in the media of course it would of been my fault . LIKE FUCK IT WOULD OF . But that comes about by what they see on the opening road us weaving in and out of traffic we do it cos we can but then again we are not stupid we all know what we are doing , but it seems to go against us.