Two bikes down near Akaroa 27/12 (fatality)

[Ixion]

What I have always hated about these threads is the fact that as soon as anyone suggests that a good, hard look be taken at any tragedy in the hope that important lessons are learned, certain moderators step in to ensure the thread is full of nothing but worthless "RIP fellow biker" posts (or the even more pathetic variant - "...........").

And so it always has been , here. I hear what you are saying, and agree with it. But I realised long ago that KB is not the place for harsh realities. It is ostrich central.

The only way that motorcycle causalties will come down is indeed objective analysis of the failings that cause crashes. So that the loiving need not repeat the mistakes of the dead. Just as they do when an aircraft crashes. But not on KB. You will always just get shouted down and moderated away. Horse, water etc; none so deaf and so on.

Just do as I did, buy some shares in Gene-O-Kleen ("Evolution you can see; keeping the gene pool kleen cince 1903").

[davereid]

I said it before and I'll say it again just because there is no yellow lines on the road doesn't mean that it okay spot to pass... on any road and or in or riding any vehicle...technically)

Yellow lines once meant that "even if you think you have adequate vision to pass, an optical illusion means that you don't"

So, I respected them although I never respected the "don't exceed 100km/hr even when passing" rule.

Now, they seem to paint no passing lines everywhere.

They are a bloody rash that bans passing in perfectly safe places, causing great hold ups behind chaps wearing bowling hats enjoying perfectly clear front views at 70 km/hr.

I am sure this has been counter productive. Drivers who can't pass in safe places, eventually pass in dangerous places.

[scumdog]

Drivers who can't pass in safe places, eventually pass in dangerous places.

The old instinct of bozos: "I can't see any danger - ergo there ain't any danger".

In the stone age that line of thought was just as fatal what with a sabre-tooth tiger being just over the ridge...somehow that gene has filtered throught to present...how I'm buggered if I know, they SHOULD have been wiped out.

[Ixion]

And, even more dangerously, they foster and engender the now common belief that if there are NO yellow lines , and you can't actually see oncoming, it is safe to pass. No matter what. A myth that can be seen even in this thread. The response of the insane yellow paint maniac is, of course, to paint more yellow lines.

Though, actually, the police and MoT admit, unofficially, that their real purpose now is to slow traffic down. To the speed of the aforesaid bowling hatted twit.

[dipshit]

In the stone age that line of thought was just as fatal what with a sabre-tooth tiger being just over the ridge...somehow that gene has filtered throught to present...how I'm buggered if I know, they SHOULD have been wiped out.

That's because Darwinism only works if you get taken out before you've had a chance to reproduce.

(and we all know what type of people have fathered children by 15)

[SixPackBack]

What I have always hated about these threads is the fact that as soon as anyone suggests that a good, hard look be taken at any tragedy in the hope that important lessons are learned, certain moderators step in to ensure the thread is full of nothing but worthless "RIP fellow biker" posts (or the even more pathetic variant - "...........").

What I hate is coonts bitching online every time someone dies on a motorcycle [a statistical certainty I might add].......get in to the real world and do some thing positive to change the perceived issues, bitching on here is totally fucken pointless

[Kickaha]

bitching on here is totally fucken pointless[/FONT]

Only because so many people have their heads stuck firmly up their arses about the issue

[SixPackBack]

Only because so many people have their heads stuck firmly up their arses about the issue

I call bullshit. One or two casual voices hardly speak for the entire KB community.........the continual hand wringing over biker down threads come from a very small group who spend plenty of time bitching and grandstanding without any positive real world influence.....its ugly and a complete waste of time, if anything the message [if there is one] is lost-lost in a mist of anger and stupidity with many of the threads ending up in PD [where they rightly belong].

[Katman]

get in to the real world and do some thing positive to change the perceived issues, bitching on here is totally fucken pointless

I have a motorcycle workshop.

I give the same message to my customers whenever the opportunity arises.

Is that 'real world' enough for you?

[SixPackBack]

I have a motorcycle workshop.

I give the same message to my customers when the opportunity arises.

Is that 'real world' enough for you?

Cool. Yeah that is positive, but bitching continually on here is turning people away in the droves. Tackling specifics [rather than the generic 'motorcyclists are fuckwits'] would be a huge help, a good example is the recent 'situational awareness' thread-totally pointless!....generic comments do not armour the squid/newbie/returning empty nester-specific comments [with examples] delivered in a calm manner would do more in a few short posts than the chest beating, angry piss drunken posts we receive in finitum.

[Katman]

Cool. Yeah that is positive, but bitching continually on here is turning people away in the droves. Tackling specifics [rather than the generic 'motorcyclists are fuckwits'] would be a huge help, a good example is the recent 'situational awareness' thread-totally pointless!....generic comments do not armour the squid/newbie/returning empty nester-specific comments [with examples] delivered in a calm manner would do more in a few short posts than the chest beating, angry piss drunken posts we receive in finitum.

Meh, you're the only one sounding 'angry' at the moment.

[The Stranger:Me]

Meh, you're the only one sounding 'angry' at the moment.

Good comeback there katman. Constructive criticism was offered and you return purile taunts.

Well done.

[Katman]

Good comeback there katman. Constructive criticism was offered and you return purile taunts.

Well done.

I'm pleased you're impressed Noel.

[The Stranger:Me]

I'm pleased you're impressed Noel.

Yeah right.
Still, perhaps it could help your cause to at least consider engaging your detractors in reasoned debate when the opportunity arises. Failing to do so seriously undermines the sincerity of your message and begs the scorn it receives.

But hey who gives a shit right, replies like that clearly demonstrate that you obviously care more for the shit stir than the message.

[cruza]

Mate and me stopped at the scene in the evening on new years day. Few moments quiet time. Nice bit of road , just some poor decision making . From reading the papers I thought it happened on a "real corner", not a fairly straight bit of road with a slight kink. Just goes to show you have to be on the ball 100% of the time. Ride to survive.