4 years for tagger killer

[peasea]

Oh yeah and what level justifies getting murdered for can you tell us??
Just so the courts know what level is acceptable .........idiot

Any wilful damage to a motorcycle.

[Owl]

the pic they keep showing of the dead tagger wont be what he looked like on the night

Mmmm looked like butter wouldn't melt!

[Mom]

I think he was lucky to get what get got really. Lets face it, he was pissed off with his property being tagged all the time. One day he decided to do something about it, so, as you do he took a knife outside with him to confront these little arseholes. They took off, he chased them. About then one of them turned around approached him and fell into the knife.

OK.

He took a knife outside, that was deliberate. Yes to defend himself if you want to go there, but he was the one with the knife. I reckon he is lucky not to have been convicted of murder frankly.

As far as comparing him to the filth that killed Nia Glasie, not even remotely similar. This man made a poor choice and killed someone in the process, the others I cant even find words for, hope they get Gen Pop with no protection.

[PrincessBandit]

Hmmm. I want to be able to live in a society where I can walk down the street at night without fear of intimidation or injury (or worse), where I can take pride in my home and feel safe in it, where I can leave my car/bike parked and know that when I return to it it will still be there, unscathed.

Unfortunately people like me have no rights. I am a law abiding citizen, not racist, work hard and pay my taxes etc etc etc etc etc yadda yadda. Yet I am in the average majority where when I become a victim of crime (and yes I have been a number of times) the police are too busy to do much about it. Then to rub salt into the wound fucking offenders get more attention and blathering on about their rights as if they can fucking do what they like and the rest of us have to bend over, take it, and say "thank you very much for fucking me over. Please do it again whenever you like because I'm powerless to stop you from doing it".


p.s. I don't usually use the f word very often but this just gets me really mad....

[Winston001]

Emery said he grabbed the knife before leaving the house because he wanted to catch the taggers and was worried they would have knives. Sounds rational and a bit brave, so he must have been very pissed off.

Thats all understandable. Then he chased them down the road quite a distance. Gets rather hard by then to argue self defence - but it could still work. The boy turns to face him......and from there we don't really know.

Emery was foolish to confront two young men at night by himself. He brought this situation on himself. All very well to argue he was in danger - but he pursued that potential danger. Chasing them with the knife was his mistake.

No human being deserves to die for spraying paint on a wall.

Sad all around. Not much milk of human kindness in the mother either.

4 years for manslaughter (which is negligently causing death) seems pretty fair.

[Ixion]

There is an old maxim that hard cases make bad law. One suspects that the jury were split between those who held it to be murder , and those who declared it to be self defence, and agreed to compromise.

[Quasievil]

Any wilful damage to a motorcycle.

mmm now you make a valid point actually damn you!!

[Skyryder]

There is an old maxim that hard cases make bad law. One suspects that the jury were split between those who held it to be murder , and those who declared it to be self defence, and agreed to compromise.

Chasing someone with a knife seem like a clear case of intent to me.

But you are probabley right

Skyryder

[FROSTY:Me]

I read this thread and I ask Myself --"what would YOU have done in that guys shoes?"
I picture myself looking out my kitchen window seeing my fence tagged for the 10th time.
Im looking at two youths dressed in hoodies that in my minds eye are 6 foot tall and probably hopped up on 'P" or some other drug.
I look for something to defend myself with knowing full well the 9 calls I've made recently to the cops acheived nothing.
Would I have grabbed a kitchen knife and given chase??
Ya know i honestly don't know
How many here can look inside themselves and say honestly "i wouldn't have done that??

[Winston001]

Hmmm. I want to be able to live in a society where I can walk down the street at night without fear of intimidation or injury (or worse)........

Unfortunately people like me have no rights. I am a law abiding citizen, .....when I become a victim of crime.......the police are too busy to do much about it. Then to rub salt into the wound fucking offenders get more attention and blathering on about their rights .......

You are expressing the frustration of the silent majority and I feel the same way. But we do have rights and they are enforced, just not as well as we'd like. Ultimately the parents aren't teaching respect for others. And you know what - respect for others is often missing on this forum so no surprise the kids don't get it.

When you (or your child) find yourself on the wrong side of the law, you'll be glad of the protections that exist. And you'll be glad that the judicial system has the capacity for mercy in sentencing.

I heard a judge saying today that he'd just been at a US conference and the packed-out seminar - for judges - was on youth crime and violence. Its a problem everywhere and there aren't simple answers.

Maybe it's our hippie heritage coming back to haunt us. Karma is a bitch....

[MadDuck]

How many here can look inside themselves and say honestly "i wouldn't have done that??

I certainly do not condone what this guy did BUT.....having been through the last 6 months of white trash next door harrassing, tormenting and scaring the neighbourhood I guess I can kind of understand. I took steps to arm myself (not illegally) and that sure as hell is no way to live in ones own home.

When pushed over and over again everyone has a breaking point.

[Winston001]

I read this thread and I ask Myself --"what would YOU have done in that guys shoes?"
I picture myself looking out my kitchen window seeing my fence tagged for the 10th time.
Im looking at two youths dressed in hoodies that in my minds eye are 6 foot tall and probably hopped up on 'P" or some other drug.
I look for something to defend myself with knowing full well the 9 calls I've made recently to the cops acheived nothing.
Would I have grabbed a kitchen knife and given chase??
Ya know i honestly don't know
How many here can look inside themselves and say honestly "i wouldn't have done that??

Yep but how about grabbing a camera and photographing the offenders. Gotta worry them - and give the police less excuse not to act.

[Finn]

Yep but how about grabbing a camera and photographing the offenders. Gotta worry them - and give the police less excuse not to act.

Bit of a contrast issue taking photo's of them at night don't you think? Unless of course there's some fancy dental imagery recognition system around that I don't know about.

[FROSTY:Me]

Winston thats the SENSIBLE answer. But look inside yaself and ask if you WOULD do the sensible thing.

[Mom]

How many here can look inside themselves and say honestly "i wouldn't have done that??

Me. There is no way on earth I would have been foolish enough to confront these little shits armed with a knife. Tagging fences etc is not life threatening, it is annoying and frustrating and expensive to repair, but not life threatening.

When pushed over and over again everyone has a breaking point.

You did well love, horrible situation, but you took the legal and long time to take effect steps to get that situation resolved. You live in a good area, you experienced a very bad situation in an otherwose great place to be.

This poor bastard lived in a hole. Personally, I would have upped my family and got the hell right away from there if I had been him.