God save the queen her fascist regime.

[Winston001]

Getting rid of the monarchy sounds like a good idea until you examine it. In nations where this has happened, a President is created - a politician - who takes on the pomp and ceremony which the royals previously had. But being a politician, a President is a much more wiley creature than a King or Queen.

Personally I'd rather have the monarchy. There is a strength and value to tradition and history which transcends money. Besides the royals of various nations support whole industries of magazines etc besotted with their activities.

America, the bastion of republicanism, has filled the monarchy vacuum with Hollywood and television actors. The frivolity and shallowness of their activities make the British royals look like amateurs.

[Winston001]

Back the truck up Ixion, the ownership which you describe all comes back to someone's ancestor being handy with a sword - not a basis for rational government in the 21st century.

S'right innit! Supreme executive power arises from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony! I mean, if I was to go around sayin I was a Emperor just cos some moistned bint lodged a scimitar at me......


- hang on - is this the five minute argument or the full half hour??

[MisterD]

Getting rid of the monarchy sounds like a good idea until you examine it. In nations where this has happened, a President is created - a politician - who takes on the pomp and ceremony which the royals previously had. But being a politician, a President is a much more wiley creature than a King or Queen.

As I said, I'd like to see something like the Irish model for our republic

[Grahameeboy]

As I recently pointed out I'm not your mum, hit the books and find out yourself. However Christians being insular and slow............Queen victoria taking over half the fucken world spreading disease and misery.....you can check out the depths of misery and details yourself. victoria died in the 19th century!

So the DNA tests checked out.

Mate Queen Vic was not the only Head of State etc to colonise...The Yanks still do it in a disquised way...it is the way of the World...there is enough disease and misery now without intervention.

Sometimes being a Christian and insular is not a bad thing...you should try it

[Oscar]

As I said, I'd like to see something like the Irish model for our republic

+1

Basically we change the name of the Gov. General and elect him/her.

[Max Preload]

Jings, och, this site is fu' a' Scots!!

Aye. It is free after all...

[Skyryder]

King. It's God save the King. King Francis, by God's Grace King of England, Scotland, France, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand ,Canada and other odds and ends. . Elizabeth II may be Queen de facto, but not de jure. She is a usurper.

Does he not live in Oz?? Saw a programm on this way back a year or two.

Skyryder.

[Ixion]

Close. Austria.

[jonbuoy]

The current Monarchy have very little direct involvement in Politics & no need to cut business deals/backhanders. Regardless they won't be kicked out in the foreseeable future.

[SixPackBack]

"...those folk from Northern Ireland."

The majority of the population are loyalists - that's why it exists!

Uhhu the IRA just love the royals

As for the Scots - it's their Royal Family too (James was King of Scotland before he was King of England).

At various times in history the monarchy treated the Scots badly.

And the Welsh?

Who gives a flying fuck what the Welsh think?

I do. They share the same piece of real estate and deserve the same respect.

Not so. The ownership all comes back to an act of parliament. The Act of Settlement. As far as I am aware, Parliament is still considered a reasonably rationale basis for government. F' Gawds sake, go and read the ruddy act everyone, so you have some idea of what you are talking about. Did *everyone* sleep all through the history classes at school? Does noone even vaguely recall the master babbling on about the Glorious Revolution? (personally , of course, I disagree with it.Traitors, all of them. God save King Francis II . But that's just me. )

Fuck me this is like arguing in the Scottish thread. Arguably the real point of the Act of settlement was to ensure a protestant heir. If any of your history lessons had any real effect on the crown the fuckers would have been kicked out and now live on a council estate in Oldham.

Er - that describes most every Country on the planet...
Name one Nation/State that wasn't founded on the basis that someone's ancestor was handy with a sword.

Ask your self does that make it okay?...are we lemmings?.........after making some monumental mistakes wouldn't we be in a bit more of a hurry to clean up the stench left behind?

The current Monarchy have very little direct involvement in Politics & no need to cut business deals/backhanders. Regardless they won't be kicked out in the foreseeable future.

Bullshit. Acts of parliament have done little to get rid of the blood sucking bludgers. That family has access to privilege and wealth beyond most of our collective imagination. All of it belongs to the British people, all of it procured by force. Undue influence is so ingrained within the commonwealth culture many of us are blind to it. Why are the forces named after the monarchy?...why did I have to swear on a bible my allegiance to queen elizabeth the second when becoming a NZ citizen?
Off with their heads.

[Oscar]

Ask your self does that make it okay?...are we lemmings?.........after making some monumental mistakes wouldn't we be in a bit more of a hurry to clean up the stench left behind?



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I didn't say it made it OK. I merely pointed out that most modern nation states were founded on that basis, so singling one out was somewhat silly.

[Oscar]

I do. They share the same piece of real estate and deserve the same respect.





Bullshit. Acts of parliament have done little to get rid of the blood sucking bludgers. That family has access to privilege and wealth beyond most of our collective imagination. All of it belongs to the British people, all of it procured by force. Undue influence is so ingrained within the commonwealth culture many of us are blind to it. Why are the forces named after the monarchy?...why did I have to swear on a bible my allegiance to queen elizabeth the second when becoming a NZ citizen?
Off with their heads.

It's funny (not to mention somewhat hypocritical) that you should leap to the defense of the phlegm garglers and crap on about "respect", before insulting every British citizen in the room.

You swear allegiance to the Queen of NZ, not the Queen of England. She is the current Head of State (and you don't have to swear on a bible).

Where are you living?
In NZ?
Was it not taken mostly by force?
Maybe you should start by giving you own neighborhood back to the local Iwi before worrying about Buckingham Palace...

[MisterD]

I didn't say it made it OK. I merely pointed out that most modern nation states were founded on that basis, so singling one out was somewhat silly.

There's a difference between founded on and still putting one family in a position of immense privilege on that basis...

[Oscar]

There's a difference between founded on and still putting one family in a position of immense privilege on that basis...

I'm not arguing that.
I'm saying it's pretty rich to single out one family, when whole nations (like this one) have been founded on the premise that my ancestor is better with a sword (or a gun, or more resistant to infection) than the original inhabitants.

If you relieve the Windsors of their property on that basis, where would you stop?

[MisterD]

I'm not arguing that.
I'm saying it's pretty rich to single out one family, when whole nations (like this one) have been founded on the premise that my ancestor is better with a sword (or a gun, or more resistant to infection) than the original inhabitants.

If you relieve the Windsors of their property on that basis, where would you stop?

Er no, actually we have a nation that was founded on a document intended to prevent that, and we now have a process based on that treaty attempting to set right some of those wrongs.

I'd love to see a process to set right some of the wrongs the monarchy in particular and the aristocracy in general have inflicted on the British people (actually, include the Church in that too).

I'm singling out one family because it's relevant to me - I hope to escape the parasites and die in the Republic of New Zealand.