Paper roads

[warewolf]

I just get antsy when I see references to the Queen's Chain. I'll get me coat.....

But a very valid point, and one that needs reiterating in the context of this thread.

[NordieBoy]

But a very valid point, and one that needs reiterating in the context of this thread.

Just imagine how he feels when he sees mention of the Queen's whip and handcuffs.

[Ixion]

Not to mention the Queen's Truncheon. ooeer - eye watering that is, I'm told.

[jim.cox]

eye watering that is, I'm told.

Just as well he's wearing his anorak then

[Skinny_Birdman]

Just imagine how he feels when he sees mention of the Queen's whip and handcuffs.

Ooo I love it when you talk dirty! Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me....

[monchopper]

But a very valid point, and one that needs reiterating in the context of this thread.

How many of us worry about Queens Chain? especially on braided rivers. I certainly don't.

Eg.
The Eyre River near Christchurch has no easements or 'Queens Chain' but plenty of riders on this site have ridden down it and I bet very of them even considered if this was an easement of any kind?!?!

[warewolf]

Sorry I don't follow you.

My point (skinny's) was that in the context of discussing what is legal (paper roads) and what is not, the fictitious Queen's Chain is not a legal right of way.

There may be an easement - but it is not a Queen's Chain, and you can't presume that every river has an easement.

[monchopper]

Sorry I don't follow you.

My point (skinny's) was that in the context of discussing what is legal (paper roads) and what is not, the fictitious Queen's Chain is not a legal right of way.

There may be an easement - but it is not a Queen's Chain, and you can't presume that every river has an easement.

I suppose my point is many of us ride river beds without knowing or caring whether there is an easement or not.
(Not disagreeing with you or Skinnys points just saying many of us ride river beds and have done for years and don't know or care about the status)

[That looks like fun]

Cecil Road is not just a paper road , it is a full public road. The bastards are trying it on again. BRONZ will send them a filthy missive pointing out that giving the finger to the Ombudsman is a serious offence. Were there any signs ? Or just a padlock ?

Can't say I have ridden this road but (correct me if I am wrong) Cecil Rd is the Rotorua end of the Leslie Rd. Now as I drive past Leslie Rd fairly regularly and had noticed this thread a while back I noted with some interest that a "no exit" notification has been added to the Leslie Rd sign. As we say in pretendy american, wat up?

[Ixion]

Yes, it is . Leslie Road leads into Cecil road, and both are public roads. The Rotorua end of Cecil Rd is (deliberately I suspect) in very bad condition, impassable for cars. But it can be done on a bike (or could, when I was there). A road has to be VERY bad it be impassable for an adventure bike.

I *hope* that the no exit sign is the council trying to frighten people off.

But that reminds me that the council dude has never responded to my email. I will threaten him with the Ombudsbod.

EDIT: Threatening email sent , cc to CEO. We shall wait and see.

[That looks like fun]

Yes, it is . Leslie Road leads into Cecil road, and both are public roads. The Rotorua end of Cecil Rd is (deliberately I suspect) in very bad condition, impassable for cars. But it can be done on a bike (or could, when I was there). A road has to be VERY bad it be impassable for an adventure bike.

I *hope* that the no exit sign is the council trying to frighten people off.

But that reminds me that the council dude has never responded to my email. I will threaten him with the Ombudsbod.

EDIT: Threatening email sent , cc to CEO. We shall wait and see.

If you think it will help I could run the sign over with a big truck

[junkmanjoe]

I suppose my point is many of us ride river beds without knowing or caring whether there is an easement or not.
(Not disagreeing with you or Skinnys points just saying many of us ride river beds and have done for years and don't know or care about the status)

just a note.
around here a few farmers on the Rumahunga River.
they own sections of river bed across to other shore. but dont have any right to the water.
so even if you where rideing on the stones so to say, you are tresspassing. crazy man..

[monchopper]

just a note.
around here a few farmers on the Rumahunga River.
they own sections of river bed across to other shore. but dont have any right to the water.
so even if you where rideing on the stones so to say, you are tresspassing. crazy man..

Our rivers our rights. Chances of ending up in court are none.
Diary farmers rape our waterways, we just shift some shingle, flip them the bird and roost the bastards

[XF650]

just a note.
around here a few farmers on the Rumahunga River.
they own sections of river bed across to other shore. but dont have any right to the water.
so even if you where rideing on the stones so to say, you are tresspassing. crazy man..

I might be wrong but I think this (historic) riverbed ownership thing relates to man made riverbeds, so the Queens Chain won't apply e.g. where once the river may have just dissipated out into swamp etc but are now confined by man made stop banks into one stem, so to allow land drainage & development. I'v always been under the impression that the lower part of the Hinds River in Mid Canterbury is one such example.
While a river's upper reaches will be crown land, the lower reaches could well be private title, but as Joe said, not including the water. This implies that if you stick to riding through the main stream, then your not tresspassing, but totally impractable.
I remember an old-timer telling me that if a man made river divides properties then the boundary line is the main stream, wherever the main stream may be. This caused a bit of conflict in the old days, where there was dissagreement as to where the new river should go.
But I'm only repeating others assumptions, so this could all be hearsay.

[junkmanjoe]

as we extract metal from this farmers river beaches.
he said he owns the land under the water right across to other side.
it a section of river aprox 2km long, we buy the metal off farmer not welly regonal council. who control the water ways in our aera.