Road policing activities

[denill]

[QUOTE=Dynamytus50;883149][QUOTE=denill;883096]

Get your eyes checked, is english your first language? Im asking a question of Lou Giradin which you have decided to state that i am defending something??

Yep, English is and if it's yours brush it up, instead of diatribes, - just answer my question:
"So you were not attempting to justify pedantic (and profitable) policing???"

[Grahameeboy]

Maybe because ambos ain't often late? When a car smashed into the power pole outside I called police (cos he woz drunk and belligerant), ambo (cos people were hurt) and fire (cos the power lines were down and petrol was pissing out).

And timed their response (all called out at the same time). I heard the ambo siren at 1 min 30 sec. He was on site and deployed in less than 4 minutes. Fire, I heard the siren at 3 and a bit minutes , deployed in 7. Police turned up (no sirens) after about 40 minutes when everybody (including the driver!) had gone. Note that police and ambo stations are right next door to each other. Fire is about the same, maybe a fraction closer.

And your example of A&E actually breaks your case. The reason that there may be long waits is precisely because the A&E staff are doing what we expect to police to do - using their judgement. They take seriously ill/injured people ahead of minor injuries. There would be a major scandal if it were found that A&E were "following the letter of the law" by rigidly and mindlessly enforcing a "first come first seen" policy ,m so that someone died waiting, while a sprained finger was being seen to ahead of the critically injured person. That is what the public expect the police to do also: use judgement - "this is bad - that is not". Most cops do so - as we see from their responses here. Some do not. That pisses people off.

I recall a few years ago a media article about late ambulances and people do complain about waiting times at A&E.............that was all I was saying reference to 'complaints'. I was not saying that the A&E guys do not use judgement although I suspect that 'prioritising' is part of their policy / rules whatever given the nature of what they do so assume by the same token the Police follow their policy / rules but this is not okay

So if most cops use judgement and are okay then why are you moaning about cops..........life is not perfect and there is good and bad everywhere and in any event all you are moaning about is traffic offences which affects you.

That example of yours sounds bad but on the other hand I guess, based on what your say, that the priority was the injured driver and the damaged power line so guess the right people were there on time and not sure what use the Police would have been whilst all this was going on.............40 mins does seem slow but maybe they were having a busy night and as I said the important guys were on the scene......like people complain about waits following a burglary....what can the Police do after event.

I was in A&E with a buggered (tore tendon right off knee cap) and they forgot about me.....I didn't complain though as it was change over, however, just shows that things are not perfect.

We generally only hear about negative stuff which tends to exagerate things.

A perfect Police Force is dreaming. I am sure a lot of young guys join up with all good intent and perhaps realise that their hands are tied at times and that they are caught between a rock and a hard place............

[scumdog]

And timed their response (all called out at the same time). I heard the ambo siren at 1 min 30 sec. He was on site and deployed in less than 4 minutes. Fire, I heard the siren at 3 and a bit minutes , deployed in 7. Police turned up (no sirens) after about 40 minutes when everybody (including the driver!) had gone. Note that police and ambo stations are right next door to each other. Fire is about the same, maybe a fraction closer.

Athe police to do also: use judgement - "this is bad - that is not". Most cops do so - as we see from their responses here. Some do not. That pisses people off.

Not rising to a troll BUT:
Often we are the last to know (like the cuckolded husband you say?), a hell of a lot of the time it's "Report of two-car crash, persons injured, Ambo and Fire in attendance" (You scanner leeches will know that)

In a small town we often get the 'jump' on a crash by hearing the Ambo or Fire sirens and asking Comms to do a check in case it's a crash.

And often shitheads are happy to see an Ambo when they sail through a fence and roll while pissed but for obvious reasons the last thing they want to see is a cop.

[TLDV8]

dispatcher

The other night it may have been lucky i was there..... Picture someone who has a known terminal problem and will probably be gone this year... they collapse are incoherent,lips going blue and gasping for air.
I can hear the person talking to the dispatcher as i make sure the airway is clear etc..... They are talking in a clear and controlled fashion..Do you know what the person was told by the dispatcher ? to SHUT UP ?..... The ambulance took some 15 minutes plus to come what might be 2 kms at a leisurely pace.
They took said person to Middlemore where they are now concerned about heart condition.
I am in no doubt if we had not been there my Mum would be dead now.

Ohh yeah ... !@#$ dispatchers.

[Ixion]

I get called to vehicle collisions all the time. "*** please go to a 1v at the intersection of **** and **** two car 1v minor injury. Its been in the system for half a hour"

Its the amount of time that it takes a general duties car to come free to take the job, not police being lazy or turning up when they decide to.

Not suggesting you (generic you) were, just responding to the original comment that people don't complain about ambulances arriving late.In the example posited , I would accept that it was probably fairly urgent from the POV of ambo and fire (passenger dude rather munted and petrol and live wires all over); and not so important from the POV of the cops (already all over, really) . Just pointing out that ambos get there real fast (providing, as noted, that bloody idot wankers will get out their way like they are supposed to)

[denill]

[QUOTE=Dynamytus50;883305][QUOTE=denill;883194]

No dork i was asking a question!

I am close to giving up trying to get a STRAIGHT answer from you!
When I asked: "So you were not attempting to justify pedantic (and profitable) policing???"
I wanted to know which side of the fence you are really on???
So try this question (and try and resist resorting to personal attack - a sign of weakness): "Are you in favour of the current HWP policing regime??" It's a Yes/No question.

I don't really expect a straight answer though. If you are Gay, I bet you are still in the closet!

[candor]

AKA Mothers Against Scimsuckin Speeders. No lobby group I can see for this issue. Unless you count the guy moping on a curve over his mother on the box - but I strongly suspect he is a fictional creation a la Annette and Harry.

Incidentally the toll is not under 400 - all that crowing was over unofficial estimates as when toll is properly collatedby ACC it will certainly exceed 400.

A snapshot of the real picture (which people on this site have had ytragic reminders of lately) from statistics NZ.

Social cost of road crashes 2004 - 3.3 hundred mill (ie 3.3 bill)
Social cost of road crashes 2005 - 3.3 hundred mill " "

Injury crash social cost up from 2,003 mill in 2004 to 2,066 mill in 2005
So injury crashes are costing us 63 million more

Its a bloody road safety miracle aint it! No. Well maybe an economic one then - Tui!

Select Quotes from Police News Journal

"We (Police Assn) will continue to work to ensure the Public understand that it is continued failure of Govt to utilise strategies other than enforcement which drives the current model of Policing"

"Govt has underinvested in the 2 other areas which also impact greatly on road deaths - education and more importantly road engineering - as 2 horrific head-ons in August showed"

"Instead the Government has decided to rely on enforcement to achieve it's goals - that decision has 2 impacts on policing..." (bad Public Relations & Police diverted from dealing with other crime due to preventable carnage call outs).

"Perhaps it will take for the Health Department and ACC to fund the Police and demand some accountability as LTNZ does to get action in this area"

"In the meantime the Police Association will continue to place pressure on Politicians to use all the tools available to make roads safer"

OMG - the voice of reason, can some-one Taser Duyny pls. But why do top cops then keep pushing the boring speed and seatbelts message at every opportunity - do they not belong to the Police association?

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[denill]

The cops dont do anything at a crash anyway

Yes they do. They're there to nail someone/anyone. Some more revenue/income/tax to be dispersed amongst the Vultures.

[TLDV8]

They were talking to a call taker, not a dispatcher. If you have a problem then phone St John and complain mate, dont bitch on here with claims no one can defend. All calls are recorded, I highly doubt you were told to Shut Up.

Question... Why did you call an emergency ambulance to someone who is terminally ill? You say they will probably be "gone" this year. Why prolong the process? What is the persons wishes? Do you know? Do they want aggressive medical intervention in cases such as you witnessed?
95% of cases where we go to terminally ill patients (for whatever reason) they have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate order). We respect that, make them comfortable... bit of morphine perhaps... and consult with the family as to what they wish.. i.e go to Hospice or Hospital, or stay at home and peacefully pass away.

Not having a go,.. its a genuine enquiry.

When people complain that they have been waiting "half an hour"!!! for us to "turn up", I tell em sorry was just at a cot death, that shuts them up.

Where does does it say bed ridden..house bound ..terminally "ill" or dying ?

Can people see how the system might jump to conclusions based on assumption if that reply is anything to go.
Can you see how a person in that profession wrote someone off based on their own perspective of what they read and was so far off in diagnosis that they might pop around later with some morphine for the old dear.
Think what if you got that person when you rang for help.


Sadly i rest my case.

No offence to Speedie but you elected to represent it seems.
Not to mention at no part did i bag the paramedic's or ambulance service itself ?
My point was what can happen when communicating by telephone.

My Mum should be out of hospital some time on the weekend.

Speedie unfortunately must now go to that little place called ..one strike and you are out

[NUTBAR]

I dont personally do traffic but i have done a four month secondment there. We were expected to meet a rough number of tickets. I dont know what your winging about skyryder, if an officer is assigned to road policing duties then there has to be a way of tracking if he is actually going out and issuing Ions Tons and 1V reports....otherwise he could get away with doing nothing.

I am monitored on how many arrests i make and what problem geographical areas i have been targeting....i think its also needed to check what traffic cops are issuing out and then compare to what that is nationally.

You can never have too much information.

Iv been misslead i thought it was all about road safety!
not money making for the government?

[doc]

if an officer is assigned to road policing duties then there has to be a way of tracking if he is actually going out and issuing Ions Tons and 1V reports....otherwise he could get away with doing nothing.

I am monitored on how many arrests i make and what problem geographical areas i have been targeting....i think its also needed to check what traffic cops are issuing out and then compare to what that is nationally.

You can never have too much information.

Hi, Guy's sorry my turn again (just poped out of lurk mode to check on my red reps )

Its a bit sad really when Joe Public is starting to mistrust the police, and their own system doesn't trust them. So they have to annoy us to check that their yes men are actually working (ie if you didn't issue tickets or whatever what would happen the Boss miss his bonus that you never see ) . If I appear faceitious I don't intend to be. Might see Scummy at Woodstock for god sake dont't bring the "Uzi"

[davereid]

If you get a ticket for 111 km/hr, and you were speeding you just lost the bet.

You should just pay the fine.

If you think that tickets for that kind of speed are just daft, then:
DENY you were speeding on the spot
VIEW the radar and record the readings
EXPLAIN you deny the offence and will be going to court over it
REMAIN polite
IF the cop gets rude FILM him on your mobile or better, secretly record his speech (its easy to fail the attitude test and get your cop abusive)

THEN when the ticket arrives:
DEMAND Disclosure .. of the radar and its calibration
copies of manufacturers specs
copies of cops training record
HISTORY of tickets issued that day, in case the cop got the first guy on his shift at 112, and has just been issuiong the same ticket all day
If you have egged the cop up and he abused you on tape, then complain..

Now you have already won.. the police have spent $$$ chasing your ticket, and he's not been on the road either, so its two birds with one stone.

And don't believe its not about $$$... the police have financial targets to meet, and don't like spending time and money chasing $75 tickets.

PLUS the cops might get it wrong - not have valid quals for the radar, not have calibrated it etc etc.

If you are still keen, take it to court.
Even if you lose we all win.
You may have to pay court fees, but the cop is paid to be there. So the system loses more money. And the cop may be unable to make it, or may cock up his evidence.

Tickets for small offences only exist because you choose to pay them. Get bigger balls, be prepared to pay a few $ extra in court fees if you lose, but you can be sure that the system will not cope with dozens of court cases, and will give up.

I read on another thread that there were 40,000 tickets issued in Central Districts alone last year. If even 25% of those said "see you in court" the police would now be under instructions to prosecute only serious cases.

So really stop bleating, and start defending yourself.

[denill]

[QUOTE=Dynamytus50;883467][QUOTE=denill;883362]

No I dont and no sorry im not gay.

I'm pleased that you answered the Yes/No question and pleased (and surprised) that you chose "No". But hey, don't be sorry that you're not gay. Some guys aren't.

Its the governments misguided directives, the imbalance of the Police force and the way they deploy us. We need to kick the civillians out of the Police upper management that you dont see and put real Police officers with experience on the street back in charge like it was pre 1995 - 2000.

Hey, I didn't know that you were one of THEM Dynamytus50, but I think I could get to like you, I mean respect you. I have to agree with you totally on your above quoted remarks. (Hope your bosses don't read this though cos I don't think you guys are allowed opinions?)
I could accept being ticketed by a professional, rather than the mealy mouthed maggots that I have encountered, fortunately, not toooo often.

[tl_tub]

... THEN when the ticket arrives:
DEMAND Disclosure .. of the radar and its calibration
copies of manufacturers specs
copies of cops training record...

I wouldnt bother requesting the calibration certs, its just a waste of everyones time, ofcourse its going to be calibrated

[Ixion]

If its HP, almost certainly. But if its a GD car with a radar, maybe not. Bear in mind its the cert that matters, not whether it is in fact correctly calibrated.