Ahmed Zaoui: Residency or deportation?

**Grahameeboy** · 10th February 2007, 07:52

Originally Posted by Fat Tony

I recently read a report saying that the UK hotel/catering industry would grind to a halt if all illegal immigrants were deported. It's one big f***ing mess for sure.

I've not voted in the poll as I don't know much about the case... but isn't it incredible that illegal immigrants often can't speak the language of the country that they're claiming asylum in, yet they fully understand how to play the system?

Yeah but NZ lets people in legally who cannot speak English..........I had to prove I had been taught English for my residency.

There is a cafe in Devonport. The guys who own it only got residency because they bought the business and could show they owned a business...money still talks.

Okay the system sucks and if people can play it then who is the culprit?

**Karma** · 10th February 2007, 08:01

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

Yeah but NZ lets people in legally who cannot speak English..........I had to prove I had been taught English for my residency.

Your two statements contradict each other?

When we moved over here I too had to prove I knew how to speak English, never mind the fact that I'd been born and raised in England.

**Hawkeye** · 10th February 2007, 08:02

If they give him residency, what message does that send out to the rest of them.
Hey! if you want to jump the queue, or you can't actually pass the criteria, just turn up without papers and they'll let you in.....

So, who has been paying for him since 2002? Let me think! Oh Yes. That would be you and me. If he gets residency, who will be paying for him? Let me think!.....

**Grahameeboy** · 10th February 2007, 08:05

Originally Posted by Weasel

Your two statements contradict each other?

When we moved over here I too had to prove I knew how to speak English, never mind the fact that I'd been born and raised in England.

That was my point.....was waiting in queue for driving licence and the guy in front had an interpreter? I deal with Customers who can hardly speak / understand English but they own a business.

I was the same, born and raised in UK......guess some people don't think Londoners can speak the Queen's English?

**Karma** · 10th February 2007, 08:07

Originally Posted by Grahameeboy

guess some people don't think Londoners can speak the Queen's English?

Perhaps the NZ Immigration Service have been watching Eastenders?

you're aving a larf mate, I ain't takin tha kinda dosh for a minta like dis.

**Grahameeboy** · 10th February 2007, 08:11

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

If they give him residency, what message does that send out to the rest of them.
Hey! if you want to jump the queue, or you can't actually pass the criteria, just turn up without papers and they'll let you in.....

So, who has been paying for him since 2002? Let me think! Oh Yes. That would be you and me. If he gets residency, who will be paying for him? Let me think!.....

NZ gave residency for money and still does in an indirect way............know what you mean but if this guy really does need help and cannot return to his native country for fear of death what message does that send out.guess there are 2 ways of looking at that, me just a softy I guess

**Grahameeboy** · 10th February 2007, 08:14

Originally Posted by Weasel

Perhaps the NZ Immigration Service have been watching Eastenders?

you're aving a larf mate, I ain't takin tha kinda dosh for a minta like dis.

Yeah, got into it so much they watch it at Custom's and let anyone in now.......eh Rodders..........even the sniffer dogs?

**MisterD** · 10th February 2007, 10:08

Originally Posted by Fat Tony

I recently read a report saying that the UK hotel/catering industry would grind to a halt if all illegal immigrants were deported.

Well you sure couldn't get a pint in London if it wasn't for all the Kiwis / Aussies /Saffas on OE...

As I yelled out of my cage window one morning when a bunch of wet socialist types were demonstrating outside Mt Eden prison in support of A.Z and blocking the road....Kick the fucker out and get out of my fucking way!

***edit***
And while you're at it, get rid of that lawyer bird that's defending him.

**Karma** · 10th February 2007, 10:33

I got no worries with the kiwis and saffas etc... the aussie chicks that used to hang in the same pubs as me were a right laugh, they'd match ya drink for drink and then get their tits out! Excellent.

It's the illegals mate, the ones that walk through the channell tunnel then sue when they get run over or clipped by a train

**idleidolidyll** · 10th February 2007, 10:45

I wonder how many people know just how Zaoui got on the list of international terrorists that is preventing his acceptance?
After 911 the Yanks sent out a request to all nations asking them to put all their 'terrorists' on a list for international security services.
What happened was that thousands of people were placed on these lists merely for opposing the incumbent govts or for revenge. Many of the 'terrorists' had never committed any crimes except to oppose military regimes and dictatorships.
Zaoui was placed on the list because he was in opposition to the Algerian Govt, NOT because he was a terrorist. Basically the Algerian govt, hardly the most free, honest and democratic in the world, put him on their list as revenge for his opposition. He does indeed face imprisonment or death if he returns to Algeria and those are the requirements to be considered a poilitical refugee.
The case is complicated by the fact that wherever he has landed, the Yanks and Belgians (Belgium controlled Algeria for a while and has vested interests and friends in govt there) did their very best to paint him as a real terrorist even though he was NOT. He was a member of the political opposition.
Firstly I'd like to hear the facts that are being suppressed and if there is no specific criminal accusation against him, I'd be proud to hear that he has been given political refugee status. It would show the world again that NZ is not a sycophant to the yanks and that we are prepared to apply the rule of law even if they are not.

**idleidolidyll** · 10th February 2007, 10:48

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

If they give him residency, what message does that send out to the rest of them.
Hey! if you want to jump the queue, or you can't actually pass the criteria, just turn up without papers and they'll let you in.....

So, who has been paying for him since 2002? Let me think! Oh Yes. That would be you and me. If he gets residency, who will be paying for him? Let me think!.....

What queue?
Zaoui is a political refugee not a regular immigrant. For him and others like him, there is a completely different process. What really worries me is the fact that his lawyers are not given full disclosure of information on Zaoui.

Are you not shocked that a person is not given the right to hear the specific charge/s against him and is therefore unable to adequately represent himself or defend those charges?

**ceebie13** · 10th February 2007, 11:04

Originally Posted by idleidolidyll

What queue?
Zaoui is a political refugee not a regular immigrant. For him and others like him, there is a completely different process. What really worries me is the fact that his lawyers are not given full disclosure of information on Zaoui.

Are you not shocked that a person is not given the right to hear the specific charge/s against him and is therefore unable to adequately represent himself or defend those charges?

What he says. Bling to you sir!

**Ixion** · 10th February 2007, 11:14

I agree with the homonymic gentleman. It is not possible to make any reasoned assessment in the matter. He is accused of "bad things". Unspecified. On grounds that are secret. By people who will not make their charges openly as honest folk do.

We are told that some bureacrat has looked into it. And we should all just take his word for it.

Bugger that. If a man's accused of something whoever is accusing him should stand up and make his charges in public. Then we can all see how the land lies.

Would you want to be accused of something, but they won't tell you what, or where , and when? And on the basis of such an accusation (which, for all you know may be a total fabrication), Helen or her minions will decide your guilt or innocence. And you have no right to defned yourself.

That's not the Kiwi way. Let's see those who accuse him stand forth and make their accusations to his face. If he can rebut them, then he can stay. If they're true then he goes. But lets have it all done openly, honestly, fair and square for all to see.

**idleidolidyll** · 10th February 2007, 11:33

Originally Posted by Dynamytus50

I was told by a SIS agent that if we knew what he was doing overseas we wouldnt not want him here and we would also know why they cant make it public. Catch 22.

hearsay is bullshit and propaganda relies on it.
in our kind of democracy, i believe kiwis deserve to know what the charges are and what specific crimes he has been accused of. further, if the 'accusations' are based merely on the algerian govt placing him on the terrorist list with some spurious charge, i reckon the whole world needs to know about it and about how those 'terrorist lists' are being abused.

more importantly, ZAOUI deserves to know what the specific accusations are so that he an defend himself. Would YOU demand anything less if you were charged?