Two-stroke or 4?

[Babelfish]

Go the strokers! I cut my teeth on a '75 RD250, then went onto a FZR400...which, um, disagreed with a car placed in front of it, then onto a NSR250 stroker and then KR1S 250 stroker. The RD was probably similar to modern 125/150 strokers (wouldnt know, cos I havent tried em) and was a really good bike to learn on and a good intro to a mild power band.

Getting a "modern" 250 stroker as a first bike is a no-no unless your a complete nutter or hold extremely good will power (the "will" part is a double entendre).

I had no probs with maintanence of any of the strokers in comparison to the 4 strokes I've had. I did have the dreaded piston issue with the KR1S (known issue) but it was a piece of piss to fix and pretty cheap, if you are that way inclined. I have had to do just as much work on my 4 strokes though so mechanicals wouldn't put me off buying another stroker.

The best part of a stroker is the hairy nuts appeal of them...they're the little terriers running around rooting great danes and chesting their way through a bunch of bigger dogs. And you cant beat the smell of two stroke in the morning!

[Roj]

So im looking at geeting my bike licence and a bike, but i have no idea of the differences between 2s and 4s.

so could someone please list the pros and con of each, an other information you may know. eg: what is cheeper to maintain?


i will be greatfull for any help.

Digging back in dim distant memory, I rode 2 strokes as a learner, they will teach you to use gears, I had a few different 2 stroke bikes and they had 1 thing in common, need to really work up and down the gears, my 250 could get me places really quick but I was worn out by the time I got there, ( the best I had done was 64 ks in 30 minutes including city, town,open road and 1 km of gravel at the end) moved to a 550 4 cylinder 4 stroke, got there in the same amount of time but not as much work involved

As for maintenance, 2 strokes are easy to maintain but may need an engine rebuild sooner than a 4 stroke, just depends on how hard you ride them

[Volcanix]

Maybe if you tell us what sort of riding your gonna be doing we might be able to help you a bit more.

Cheers

Well at the moment it will just be for going to work, going for the odd ticky tour, going around town.

But as i get better i may start useing it for longer rides on the week end and travling to mates places who live bout an hour away. hopefully ill even get to the od track day.

tho it is hard to say what riding i will be doing as i have to ride for a bit to suss out how much i enjoy it etc.


I have however grown up on a farm, so i have been riding farm bikes sor a few years, i know farm bikes in no way compare to a road bike but its a start and im not a complete begginner.

[Quartermile]

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[Quartermile]

Dam it didn't work.....(I made a giant 4 out of all the little ones

[gijoe1313]

I luv my little Daisy I does, nice little two stroker smoker with that "whoooa" hanging on factor when you revs it hard!

I'm just a little bit gutted that the last lot of oil I put in was too good. It took away the smoke! Have now got a service manual for it and will be looking forward to giving her heaps around a track one day!

Go the two strokes, two wheels of hoon!

[Babelfish]

[QUOTE=gijoe1313;991149]I luv my little Daisy I does, nice little two stroker smoker with that "whoooa" hanging on factor when you revs it hard!
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Oooo arrrrr, you luvs yer daisy does yer, arlmost uz much as yooer comboine AAAAAARRRRRRvustarrrrrr

[gijoe1313]

[QUOTE=TempBJ;991163]

I luv my little Daisy I does, nice little two stroker smoker with that "whoooa" hanging on factor when you revs it hard!
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Oooo arrrrr, you luvs yer daisy does yer, arlmost uz much as yooer comboine AAAAAARRRRRRvustarrrrrr

Ayyy, t'weren't there yesterday ee'by gum! It warms the cockles of your hearts it does guv'nor. Nuffink a little drop o'th'good oil nay cure! Yep, I shure be luvvin' me little ride, quick trip around the back and a roll in the hay eh?

Nup, they ain't ta be buildin' 'em the same these days!

[quallman1234]

My 2 stroke acts like a 4 stroke has power throughout the rev range.
I think its something to do with the exhaust timing
Almost no power band tho

[Ixion]

That's because its designed that way. A two stroke doesn't HAVE to ahve a vicious (or even noticeable) power band. Just that the more highly tune it is the peaky the torque curve will be.

And on a smaller motor , it's not so noticeable - so you would be hard put to detect it on a 50cc (well, maybe an RS50)

The 150 cc two strokes (RG, KRR) are pretty linear , nothing vicious. The 250s are another matter.

And big two strokes are either REALLY vicious and try to kill you (H3 Kawasaki, IT465) or have no power band at all, just liner torque all the wya up (GT750)

[The Pastor]

And big two strokes are either REALLY vicious and try to kill you (H3 Kawasaki, IT465) or have no power band at all, just liner torque all the wya up (GT750)

what was the Yamaha RD 350 LC like powerband wise?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...585&key=811705

[Ixion]

"Bloody hell " but not "Argggh OH MY GOD"

The RD350 (I never had an LC though) was not a bike for fools. But neither was it a homicidal killer , like the H3 that plotted and schemed in the gargre all night how it might kill me the next day . (It did manage to kill a subsequent owner. There wouldn't be many H3s around that didn't have at least one death chalked up to them)

[quallman1234]

That's because its designed that way. A two stroke doesn't HAVE to ahve a vicious (or even noticeable) power band. Just that the more highly tune it is the peaky the torque curve will be.

And on a smaller motor , it's not so noticeable - so you would be hard put to detect it on a 50cc (well, maybe an RS50)

The 150 cc two strokes (RG, KRR) are pretty linear , nothing vicious. The 250s are another matter.

And big two strokes are either REALLY vicious and try to kill you (H3 Kawasaki, IT465) or have no power band at all, just liner torque all the wya up (GT750)

Exactly

If you wanna see what a powerband is jump on a MotoX machine :P.

[T-Thunder13]

get your license.
go to a shop.
and try them both out, then youl know at least which one tickles in ya loins

[Mr. Peanut]

Getting a "modern" 250 stroker as a first bike is a no-no unless your a complete nutter or hold extremely good will power (the "will" part is a double entendre).