It's a sad day (Virginia University shootings, 16 April)

**SPman** · 17th April 2007, 15:02

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

You forgot to mention the right to form militias which IMHO is equally out of place now we have a paid Police force.

Some would argue it's even more imperative, because of that.

**Scouse** · 17th April 2007, 15:48

Originally Posted by gijoe1313

but once again, it's not guns that kill people, it's people that kill people

Fuck off and get with the program anyone would find it imposible to kill 32 people with there bare hands in the same time it takes to loose off 32 rounds.

**Finn** · 17th April 2007, 15:50

Originally Posted by zrxer

Fuck off and get with the program anyone would find it imposible to kill 32 people with there bare hands in the same time it takes to loose off 32 rounds.

Chuck Norris could.

**Scouse** · 17th April 2007, 16:09

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Thats a bit harsh....

Sure - but define 'normal' and then look at the numbers of people that are affected by mental health problems at some stage in their life and ask yourself what might happen if they just had a handgun handy there and then at the one moment they lost the plot... Look at the way normal healthy individuals act with alcohol and on the road?

Exactly until you learnd that John Kirwin was a fruit loop you would have thought that he was upstanding enough to be a good guy and arm him

**Scouse** · 17th April 2007, 16:11

Originally Posted by Finn

Chuck Norris could.

Ooops I forgot to say Normal person

**Swoop** · 17th April 2007, 16:15

Originally Posted by zrxer

Exactly until you learnd that John Kirwin was a fruit loop you would have thought that he was upstanding enough to be a good guy and arm him

NOT in NZ though.
Had his partner been questioned, in private, without JK being present?
Had two other persons, who had been put forward as nominees to his mental state, been questioned?

**ManDownUnder** · 17th April 2007, 16:20

Originally Posted by zrxer

Fuck off and get with the program anyone would find it imposible to kill 32 people with there bare hands in the same time it takes to loose off 32 rounds.

So you're saying it's hand that kill people?

We're all fucked then

**jrandom** · 17th April 2007, 16:22

Originally Posted by Swoop

NOT in NZ though.
Had his partner been questioned, in private, without JK being present?
Had two other persons, who had been put forward as nominees to his mental state, been questioned?

Swoop speaks troof.

zrxer, are you aware that it is not possible to get a firearms licence in NZ without the Police vetting your mental health record? [Edit: And conducting private interviews with your partner and two other personal referees.]

I know of one chap who'd love to go shooting, but can't get a F/L due to his medical history.

Also, if you do get a firearms licence and are then subsequently diagnosed with some sort of psychological problem, the fuzz can and will come and take away your licence and weapons.

**Daffyd** · 17th April 2007, 16:22

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Mind you - fast food chains and tobacco companies have been killing people en masse' for years so i suppose a mere 32 is a blip..

Not to mention the drug companies in cahoots with the FDA.

**alexthekidd** · 17th April 2007, 16:23

Originally Posted by Fish

Oh, do fuck off with that bullshit.

If I gave you a gun to walk around with, would you ever let that 'go to your head'?

If so, you're enough of a danger to society that you certainly shouldn't be given a driver's licence. Or, for that matter, allowed to breed and raise kids.

Normal, healthy individuals do not turn into power-crazed killers just because they have access to a weapon.

No i am not saying that people will automatically turn into power-crazed killers just because they have access to a weapon, but SOME people will, and it only takes one person to have another virginia shooting on our hands

Originally Posted by Sniper

Its a good family orientated store. Sure they could work a bit more on people and responsibilities, but I know I was brought up around firearms and I know that all you need is proper education

Proper education is indeed a key aspect of it, you were brought up around firearms, but theres a bit of a difference between the guns at a farm and carrying around a 9mm hand gun in your pocket all day

**riffer** · 17th April 2007, 16:23

I'm must admit to feeling more than a little ambivalent about this whole thing.

For years now the United States of America has been exporting their foreign policy of murder to the world. In television, movies and in reality with their actions on foreign soils.

How many people died in Iraq today? Or Afghanistan? Or maybe anywhere in Africa because of corrupt globalisation policies? A damn sight more than 32 people...

Yet we wring our hands and worry about 32 people killed by some unhinged idiot, when every day hundreds more die because of official organised policies.

And TV has had it on all day. Its all so fucking hypocritical it makes me sick.

I'm sorry America. You reap what you sow.

RIP to the victims worldwide today.

**ManDownUnder** · 17th April 2007, 16:24

Originally Posted by zrxer

Exactly until you learnd that John Kirwin was a fruit loop you would have thought that he was upstanding enough to be a good guy and arm him

Considering the amount of guts he has to stand and help others by doing what he did... he'd be further up the queue than those that get off on putting others down...