Chapter 6...Originally Posted by sinfull
In the riders seat
Chapter 6...
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
gypsy
thanks PaulThats not what i read A.J but im just new to this shit.
6-19 The following flags will be recognised as the standard colours to be used as signals to riders during a race:
Green: Start
Red : All riders stop racing.
Yellow: Held Stationary – SLOW DOWN – Proceed with caution. No overtaking until danger area is passed. Sidecar riders-this could also mean your passenger is in difficulties.
Yellow: Waved – SLOW DOWN NOW – Proceed with extreme caution.
No overtaking until the danger area is passed, be prepared to stop.
White: Last lap.
Black:Individual rider to stop and retire from course. The rider’s number must be shown on a board at the same point as the black flag is displayed.Black and White Check: Finish for all riders.
Red and Yellow Stripes: Oil on course.
Red and White Cross: Ambulance on course, proceed with caution.
Black with Orange Centre:Road Race Only: Machine to be removed from the circuit immediately. The rider’s number must be shown on a board at the same point as the flag is displayed. Flags must be a minimum size of 24” x 24” (600mm x 600mm).
Black and White Stripe: Oval Track Only, Competitor under protest. The rider’s
number must be shown on a board at the same point as the flag is displayed.
Blue Waved: SX Only. Warning you are about to be lapped.
Blue Waved Road Racing: Overtaking signal warning rider is about to be overtaken.
Blue Held Stationary Road Racing: Indicates that competitor is soon to be overtaken.
6-19-1 Failure to observe flag instructions and signals renders riders liable to fine, exclusion,
If i had a red flag waved at me and i DID NOT know my bike had oil leaking i would carry on to the pit lane as i personally would never be able to interperate that i was the ONLY rider getting a RED flag waved.
I agree there is a gap in communication and training can be improved (with regards to your entry exam for MNZ licence, bring it on ) but if the rule book is what we have to learn then in my eye the rider in question has done all he was expected to do especially if he DID NOT know his bike was creating a hazard on the track. If a marshall was waving a flag frantically i would immediatly (no matter how fast i was riding ) look ahead and possibly miss the further hand direction as a red flag means there is something ahead that may cause me harm.
If the rider leaking oil WAS aware of his leak and crossed the track and continuied to the pits then nothing short of a laser beam in his direction and an account for cleaning the mess up should be presented.
what a ride so far!!!!
The instructions are simple...
And that is how I always understood it as well. I've marshalled at most summer and winter meets Taupo and Manfield for the last 2+ years, and that is exactly what we've done in all that time.
This time was a little different, and really, we were out of options as to how to get through to this rider. He'd been past our point already, at race pace (for SS) spewing smoke off his exhaust from behind his belly fairing, he'd been past race control and then reported by point 1 as dropping fluids, ignored point 2 (if they got the call in time), ignored point 3, gone past the sliplane on the same side of the track as it's entry, ignored point 4, ignored point 5 (there was no point 6) so by the time he got to point 7 (us) Control had considered and decided that using the red accompanied by the 'get off now' actions was justified. But this guy ignored that too, crossed the track and proceeded the rest of the way round and exited at pit lane.
OK - it could be said that he did nothing wrong, according to the rules. He was not black flagged at the start/finish line, so whilst he realised he had a problem and dropped off race pace, got to one side of the track and continued as long as able to eventually leave the track via pit lane...he had ample warning to 'get off now' at least 3 points before ours, so by the time he got the red flag at ours, he could have been under no illusion that what he was doing was a problem.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
The instructions are simple...
Can't say if he was aware of fluid leaking, but he was aware that all was not well with the bike, and he couldn't fail to be aware that marshalls wanted him to stop and get off the track.
Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?
Rider Coach
The bike knew, but the RIDER didn't.
Seriously. He thought it was a loose peg that caused his foot to fall off it... Never dreamt it was a major cam cover gasket failure....
We are indeed talking inexperience on a 250 here....
No water was leaked onto the track either......
To be honest I had an engine fire oil all over the wheel of a road bike a while back, and the first i know was many kilometres later too.... when I almost binned on a right hander in town!
As for the Flag situation, there is nothing to get the bike off the track straight away.... Red flag situations mean return to pits at reduced pace, as briefed.
As for hand signals, well if I said to you the best way to stop that particular rider from continuing would be to stand in front with arms crossed above head with fists clentched.... You would say, "WTF, I have no idea what that means...." But this person knows EXACTLY what that means.
Yes, I do know who it was, and he will NEVER do it again.
Remember people, that race bikes don't have mirrors, and it is really hard to see the trail of smoke behind you......
Just a Dog
Thanks ! Knew i'd read it somewhere but was flicking through it all trying to locate it and did'nt go down far enough to see it in chapter 6 !
YES I HAD READ IT lol
Looks to me to be a case of don't shoot the rider, get some more flags and boards !
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Ta
You are clearly not that observant.
A word of warning, dont race the street circuits. The public are all wearing different colours, and shit gets real confusing.
Mad nagging bitch!
Sorry, there was water! After he crossed the track at point 7 the oil started...a trail of oil right around the sweeper...races delayed by some 40 mins to clean up the mess.
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Rider Coach
Sh1t, sorry, I means water from the subject bike.... It wat a blown Cam cover gasket, not a head gasket.
Of course there was Bloody water!!! Only person who thought it was fun was Neil.... As usual, everybody else complained.
Forum whore
he didnt do anything wrong.....you have said he wasnt black flagged,and the red flag doesnt mean get of the the track now....tell me exactly what was said at the riders breifing re the red flag.
that is entirely your interpretation,he didnt have someone telling him what to do through a radio earpiece,he was cruising back to the pits,probably wondering a) what was wrong with his bike,or b) wondering how he was gonna fix it.There are always two sides to a story,you are not seeing things how he saw them
gee wizzz
Ok the way I see it a race is gonna be stopped if a bikes dumping oil on the track. SO the number thing on the black flag is academic really.
Hmm unless the oil flag is used at the point before the oils dumped I suppose.
Sorry folks it really seems to me that the wrong flag was used.
arguably the black/orange should have been used but at least the black.
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How the hell do they get on ?
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Rider Coach
EXACTLY!
He honestly thought his foot peg was loose....
I wonder how many people out there have had the experience of their engine putting oil all over the place???
And what exactly did you do?
Remember almost all motorcyclists go through life without this happening....
It is rare!
What would you normally do when people waive the flags at you?
You would do as briefed surely?
Anything else "Made up" after briefing CAN NOT be chastised.
wheelie king
yes but he did the right thing then if given a red flag the rider shall slow down to a safe pace and circulate back around to the pits. Not just stop then and there I can give a reason I have seen for this to and its not a nice result.
A black flag is more appropraite if a marshell used the wrong flag then it his his problem not the riders.
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Rider Coach
Good point.
In this case it was qualifying though....
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