The cat just jumped out of the bag

**rok-the-boat** · 22nd October 2009, 20:22

Maybe this is what it is all about - not bikes per se - they kick up a big fuss, and then want us to think that privatizing ACC will be the 'final solution'.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-sto...be-considered/

The Government is open to wider competition in ACC than just the work account if that is recommended by an expert group considering the issue.

ACT and National this afternoon announced they had reached a deal where the minor party will support a government bill making changes to ACC and in return work would start on opening ACC to competition.

The ACC Stocktake Group, expected to deliver an interim report in February, would be asked to look at the competition issue. Blah blah blah.

**Sam I Am** · 22nd October 2009, 20:44

same story running in stuff.co.nz link>
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...CT-in-ACC-deal

but it states QUOTE:

"I am pleased the Government has secured support for this critical legislation from both the Maori Party and from ACT that will see ACC's proposed levies reduced by half," Dr Smith said.

end quote

ONLY HALF !!! THATS STILL A HUGE HIKE FOR US..

**sleemanj** · 22nd October 2009, 20:46

Originally Posted by Sam I Am

ONLY HALF !!! THATS STILL A HUGE HIKE FOR US..

This is not about motorcycle levies, this is the hikes in earner/employer levies. The motorcycle ones are still as announced.

**MacD** · 22nd October 2009, 21:01

Why are people surprised about this!? It was National Party policy prior to the last election.

Or do people not really know what they are voting for?

**short-circuit** · 22nd October 2009, 21:32

Originally Posted by MacD

Why are people surprised about this!? It was National Party policy prior to the last election.

Or do people not really know what they are voting for?

Pre-fucken-cisely.

**pete376403** · 22nd October 2009, 21:38

Moari party are going to get some bad feedback from their electorate - a whole lot of them are going to have to find alternate sources of income, once the ACC rug is pulled from beneath them

**FJRider** · 22nd October 2009, 21:48

Originally Posted by pete376403

Moari party are going to get some bad feedback from their electorate - a whole lot of them are going to have to find alternate sources of income, once the ACC rug is pulled from beneath them

List MP's don't have electorate's ...

**dipshit** · 22nd October 2009, 21:58

Not paying for the ACC option and not having your own private cover may mean no cover whatsoever.

So for those of you thinking of just riding without registration anyhow - be prepared for spending the rest of your life paying off that $80,000. hospital bill.

**riffer** · 22nd October 2009, 22:10

Originally Posted by FJRider

List MP's don't have electorate's ...

I think Pete meant to say constituents.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 22nd October 2009, 22:13

Originally Posted by dipshit

Not paying for the ACC option or having your own private cover may mean no cover whatsoever.

So for those of you thinking of just riding without registration anyhow - be prepared for spending the rest of your life paying off that $80,000. hospital bill.

technically they still pay ACC via PAYE and fuel, and if they have other vehicles...

**FJRider** · 22nd October 2009, 22:35

Originally Posted by riffer

I think Pete meant to say constituents.

A Constituent is a member of a Constituency.

A constituency is an area represented by a Member of Parliament.

List MP's do not represent ANY area.... not even the area they live in.

**Blue TLS** · 22nd October 2009, 23:24

Yes that was the plan all along, John Key wants us to give all our money to his insurance buddies and I bet he still has a couple of fingers in that pie

**scissorhands** · 23rd October 2009, 00:14

ACC is now an ugly old whore anyways.

I'm over paying for other drongoes who are unco, and speeders high on shit

And scammers with bad backs

And councillors and therapists milking the system, some of those people give me the willies.

**kwaka_crasher** · 23rd October 2009, 00:45

Originally Posted by FJRider

List MP's don't have electorate's ...

Originally Posted by FJRider

A Constituent is a member of a Constituency.

A constituency is an area represented by a Member of Parliament.

List MP's do not represent ANY area.... not even the area they live in.

But Maori Party MPs are all electorate not list.

**MacD** · 23rd October 2009, 07:50

Originally Posted by scissorhands

ACC is now an ugly old whore anyways.

This is just dogma, as is the assertion that competition will reduce costs for coverage. It may for certain individuals, or even certain companies, but overseas systems, including in Australia, cost more overall.

From the PriceWaterhouseCoopers 2008 Report into ACC

The ACC employer contribution rate as a proportion of wages is
substantially lower (0.78% at June 2007) than in comparable
Australian workers compensation schemes (NSW 1.86%, Victoria
1.38%, Australian average 2%). The overall cost of ACC is quite low
even after adjustment for coverage (eg common law access) and
other known differences, and is also low relative to other
international systems (Canada average 2%).
ACC motor vehicle contribution levels are also significantly lower
than all Australian states.

Everybody should read the PWC report attached before making their minds up about the benefits of competition or privatisation of ACC.