Bikers blocking shopping centre.

[rok-the-boat]

If it is well publicized, shoppers will go elsewhere. There are loads of shops.

The govt doesn't listen to shoppers (us) - but it might listen to shopping mall owners.

[Mully]

After a perusal of the thread, I think it would be a good idea to get our message across at all the shopping malls, well, more than one. A dozen or so bikers chatting to the public & handing out fact sheets in the run up to christmas could do a lot to raise public awareness of how these proposals could effect them. Letting the kiddies have a wee seat on a bike & a photo taken would be fun too. Just a thought & a bit more positive....

Great idea, but totally impractical. Westfield would throw you out as quickly as you could get set up.

I worry about this idea. I think it could very quickly turn into a face-off with Plastic Badge security guards and bikers (tip: Don't call them "Officer Plastic Badge" to their faces, DAMHIK) - and bikers would be portrayed as the bad guys.

I think the Teddy Bear Run was a great idea. If we were looking at something like that again, I'd say maybe a canned food drive for the City Mission or some such.

[rok-the-boat]

Public support? Ha! They don't care about motorcyclists - they already dislike us. The only people who care about motorcyclists are motorcyclists. I'm not keen on making anyone have a bad day, but hey, look at all the publicity already

[CookMySock]

What they can do is give you a trespass order requiring you to leave.

I think they cannot enforce a trespass order associated with a public place.

Trespass orders are for private properly that is not open to the public, like your unfenced front lawn. If someone steps on this, you can write a trespass order on loo roll and hand it to him, and it's legal.

Other areas such as enclosed yards are covered by seperate legislation again - a person can be arrested for being inside an enclosed yard with no good reason, whether there is a trespass order against them or not.

It is the right of the public to conduct themselves legally in any public place. If the legal occupier of the property decides to close the area to the public and ask people to leave, that is his perogative. If he wants to ask a few selected individuals to stay, he may do that as well, but he cannot force individuals to leave any public place.

The main thing to remember, is to be squeaky clean, and don't let them rope you into a loud debate, or you will get processed for disorderly behaviour.

Steve

[allycatz]

I think they cannot enforce a trespass order associated with a public place.

Trespass orders are for private properly that is not open to the public, like your unfenced front lawn. If someone steps on this, you can write a trespass order on loo roll and hand it to him, and it's legal.

It is the right of the public to conduct themselves legally in any public place. If the legal occupier of the property decides to close the area to the public and ask people to leave, that is his perogative. If he wants to ask a few selected individuals to stay, he may do that as well, but he cannot force individuals to leave any public place.

The main thing to remember, is to be squeaky clean, and don't let them rope you into a loud debate, or you will get processed for disorderly behaviour.

Steve

I know down here in Kapiti, people can be trespassed and they do so regularly as the Mall and surrounding carparks are privately owned and not council owned. I guess the Mall has to decide where you are parked for a purpose or parked without the purpose of being a shopper/mall user. Personally, unless there are specific laws about no parking in cage parks, like Welly city central, then I cannoy see the difference between 100 cars parking or 100 bikes if they are all at the mall for the same purpose

[mashman]

Interesting views on this on Trade Me message boards...http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/M...1420753.....ps. the allycatz in the thread is NOT me lol!

I want to throw

WHY SHOULD I BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU GETTING OUT OF YOUR BED EVERY MORNING. Come on, there's a much much bigger picture here and BIKERS are trying to figure out how to fight it. If you know better come and help us

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/fo...play.php?f=108

on the board, but think it better that YOU decide wethere or not it goes up there!

[klingon]

They can definitely give you a tresspass order to get out of their carpark. It is private property. DAMHIK.

[allycatz]

I want to throw

WHY SHOULD I BE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOU GETTING OUT OF YOUR BED EVERY MORNING. Come on, there's a much much bigger picture here and BIKERS are trying to figure out how to fight it. If you know better come and help us

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/fo...play.php?f=108

on the board, but think it better that YOU decide wethere or not it goes up there!

Um.... why are you picking on me? I simply posted this link as a means to show some of what the public was saying.....where did I say I support the negative opinion in there?????

[PhantasmNZ]

They can definitely give you a tresspass order to get out of their carpark. It is private property. DAMHIK.

+1 As I mentioned. I personally know a Westfield centre manager. This can and does happen. At Westfield malls. Regularly. End of story.

[klingon]

+1 As I mentioned. I personally know a Westfield centre manager. This can and does happen. At Westfield malls. Regularly. End of story.

I personally have been kicked out of more than one Westfield mall. This can and does happen. At Westfield malls. Regularly.

[mashman]

Um.... why are you picking on me? I simply posted this link as a means to show some of what the public was saying.....where did I say I support the negative opinion in there?????

oh shit no no no no and my apologies if it came out that way. Superb post, the message i typed was for the trademe board. I was just running it past the thread if it would be ok to post up there. Do we want "strictly car driving" NZ on a biker site?

[blossomsowner]

interesting thought occurs to me.

the festive season approaches with the corresponding mad rush, panic and craziness.

if it aids the cause to further the mayhem in some select places at select times it would be very easy to do.........

[davereid]

I think they cannot enforce a trespass order associated with a public place.

Trespass orders are for private properly that is not open to the public, like your unfenced front lawn. If someone steps on this, you can write a trespass order on loo roll and hand it to him, and it's legal.

Other areas such as enclosed yards are covered by seperate legislation again - a person can be arrested for being inside an enclosed yard with no good reason, whether there is a trespass order against them or not.

It is the right of the public to conduct themselves legally in any public place. If the legal occupier of the property decides to close the area to the public and ask people to leave, that is his perogative. If he wants to ask a few selected individuals to stay, he may do that as well, but he cannot force individuals to leave any public place.

The main thing to remember, is to be squeaky clean, and don't let them rope you into a loud debate, or you will get processed for disorderly behaviour.

Steve

Yes he can.

He can trespass you, he can ban motorcycles and he can use reasonable force to help you leave.

For chrissakes leave private property alone.

[mashman]

interesting thought occurs to me.

the festive season approaches with the corresponding mad rush, panic and craziness.

if it aids the cause to further the mayhem in some select places at select times it would be very easy to do.........

Mayhem is not what people want, especially not at christmas, take a look at this posted in another thread and it may give some idea about what the negative side of NZ is thinking http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/M...1420753.....ps

What can you do to turn that perception around!

[PhantasmNZ]

Trespass Act 1980

3 Trespass after warning to leave
(1) Every person commits an offence against this Act who trespasses on any place and, after being warned to leave that place by an occupier of that place, neglects or refuses to do so.