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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    I believe the effect is not because the GG concentrations are higher in the polar regions, but more because the albedo is higher. The actual mechanics is beyond me, but all AGW models show more warming in the polar regions than in the equatorial regions, and all solar models show more warming the equatorial regions and less in the polar regions.

    I'll see if I can source the reasons and mechanics behind this.
    Of course, that would make perfect sense. The higher the albedo - the larger fraction of the light is reflected and thus will pass through the atmosphere twice, which in turn increases the impact of greenhouse gasses.
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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm

    Interesting summary of the arguments for and agin AGW on the BBC site...
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    Yes I am concerned on two counts...

    1) I am conerned that "Global warming, green house, CO2 emmisions..."or what ever we are calling change infulenced by mans inhabitation of the planet, is being used as a tool to tax the masses...

    2) I am scared the warnings are correct....I reason that we cannot be taking billions of tons and barrels of fossil fuels that are laying relitively inert in the ground, and converting them to both gasses and particulate matter in the atmosphere without affecting the equilibrium of the planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainman View Post
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8376286.stm

    Interesting summary of the arguments for and agin AGW on the BBC site...
    Good god. Who does this stuff? This whole article has obviously been written by a warmer. There are two major indications that this hasn't been written by anyone with a science backgraound, and that it is by a warmer.

    The first and major reason is that skeptics do not make claims, they analyse claims by others and find the errors. This means that the warmers position should have been on the left and labled warmer, and the skeptics version on the right and labled counter.

    The second reason is that the skeptics evidence has been twisted and distorted by omitting much of importance and highlighting suppporting evidence as if it were the major evidence. eg
    "Many of these are in urban centres which have been expanding and using more energy. When these stations observe a temperature rise, they are simply measuring the "urban heat island effect". In addition, coverage is patchy, with some regions of the world almost devoid of instruments. "
    Excludes the information that when there are truely rural sites close to an urban site that often the rural site shows no warming, or a much smaller degree of warming than the urban site, which shows that the alloance for UHI effect is far too small. Then there is fact that both NASA and CRU define rural as a population less than 250000 people, yet still call Christchurch a rural site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    The first and major reason is that skeptics do not make claims, they analyse claims by others and find the errors. This means that the warmers position should have been on the left and labled warmer, and the skeptics version on the right and labled counter.
    Yeah, right!
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    Gees guys.. Its like though as if the world is gonna blow up tomorrow at approximately 0800 hours and 32 seconds!


    The World is just doing what it has been doing for its entire life! The dinosaurs were living happily. Then BAM! Ice age. and then.. Uh oh.. That Ice starts melting. Seas rise. Kills off everything that has survived on the ice. Then Ice forms again. (This is where us HUMANS noticed alot of ice about) Then hello.. Ice starts to melt again (HUMANS are going holy shit!! Global warming!! RUN AWAY!!! FARRRKK!!)

    This is my view on this whole "global warming" bullshit. Its bullshit! The world is doing what it has been doing forever. Way before us humans came about! Okay.. We may of helped to speed it up a little bit.. But other than that, There aint no global warming..


    Have any of you ever watched Ice Age 1 followed by Ice age 2? They are some really awesome movies. They may be kids movies, But they are right about the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatcap View Post
    I'm more worried about the impact of the ecomentalists than the environment itself. Being a fundamentalist greenie is now a religion
    Oh fuck. The bastards will do the same as the "imaginary friend" mob and become tax-free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful Biker View Post
    Gees guys.. Its like though as if the world is gonna blow up tomorrow at approximately 0800 hours and 32 seconds!


    The World is just doing what it has been doing for its entire life! The dinosaurs were living happily. Then BAM! Ice age. and then.. Uh oh.. That Ice starts melting. Seas rise. Kills off everything that has survived on the ice. Then Ice forms again. (This is where us HUMANS noticed alot of ice about) Then hello.. Ice starts to melt again (HUMANS are going holy shit!! Global warming!! RUN AWAY!!! FARRRKK!!)

    This is my view on this whole "global warming" bullshit. Its bullshit! The world is doing what it has been doing! Okay.. We may of helped to speed it up a little bit.. But other than that, There aint no global warming..


    Have any of you ever watched Ice Age 1 followed by Ice age 2? They are some really awesome movies. They may be kids movies, But they are right about the world.
    and presumably coloured your view of paleohistory.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopeful Biker View Post
    This is my view on this whole "global warming" bullshit. Its bullshit! The world is doing what it has been doing!
    Deep, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    ...At present we appear to be in a period of global cooling. We have been cooling for around 10 years, and that is likely to continue for a further 15 - 20 years.
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    I've been meaning to respond to your statements about recent global cooling...
    Right oh then. Actually the bloke who does the Open Mind blog just did it for me

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2009/12/07/riddle-me-this/

    He shows several plots of global temperature (surface and satellite) over the last 30 years. The time series fluctuates around a trend line with frequent excursions up to +/- 2 standard deviations and 1998 standing out as a larger excursion. (1 standard deviation is around 0.3-0.35 C.) It's been doing this for 30 years, since the trend picked up. It's still doing it.

    This article on Realclimate presents what the global climate models say should be happening:

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ls-really-say/

    In particular...

    http://www.realclimate.org/images/runs.jpg

    Trend + fluctuations.

    I found it odd that people who claim to be sceptics can get so excited about the lastest fluctuation in a time series.

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