Te Kuiti cop: taking him 2 court

[Goblin]

I've been on a few shifts with Police (admittedly not traffic) and lost count of how many "lawyer wannabies" are out there. Mostly pissed hot heads in their early twenties who have supposedly done (or started and not finished) a law degree and 'know their rights'. Usually they are asked why they are not lawyers now - it shuts them up.

Or the older, clint rickards type.

[kiwi cowboy]

Somebody from International headquarters tell me what this dick head just said please..??!

[scumdog]

That is one of the best summaries of the cops attitude I have ever seen. Nice description!

Steve

Hell yes, one of THE reasons to join - to make a p.i.a.bastards life a p.i.a. for hime too.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Well I always said FTP !

[Tank]

Heh, you are so full of personal development advice aren't you.

Well - some people need it. For you - Id suggest dropping the hello kitty t-shirt in your profile pic - stop telling people that you own a ho'bag (oops I see you changed your profile to 'a red one' to make it less obvious - good start), and prozac - loads and loads of prozac.

I think if you want to give up, roll over, and give in, well be my guest.

LOL - Im not a quitter - I just know what battles to pick - fighting something like this is for what I like to call 'the little people'.

It will be me in line behind you, making what was yours, mine - I have no qualms about that.

Dude - some manage to be successful without left overs and sloppy seconds :lol You could only get what I choose to leave behind.

[spudchucka]

Step one is always calling the officers bluff on the roadside - something like "no mate - thats not proof" or "no I wasn't travelling at that speed - I'll deny that in a court of law." Basically make it look like a lot of hard work for nothing for them with an afternoon in court as well.

Laughing at the verbal droppings of brainless hicks is one of the only reasons I check into Kiwibiker these days and you never fail to provide a substantial pile of it for my entertainment. Thanks, keep it up.

Call their bluff? How many times in the average police career do you think a cop hears pathetic excuses and attempts to "bush lawyer" up on the road side? The reality is it just sets of alarm bells that scream out "here's another blow hard half wit that thinks he knows it all".

[slamdog]

OK again like I said the number plate thing is a fair bust and I said that from the start, so that's $200.00 I am happy to pay and I told the cop that at the start.
I am very polite towards police as they are just doing there job, but when this guy said I was doing 115 all the way down the straight that is when I got politely shitty.

The cop said nothing about me speeding until AFTER he said he was giving me the ticket for the plate.
Then he said = and im giving you a ticket for doing 115ks ALL the way down the straight.

To me that was just shit, when the fastest I got up to on the straight was 106ks ( yes that is over the speed limit) as I new the cop was coming.
So if I got a ticket for 106 I would have just sucked it up.

Just because I am not a cop does not mean that I can not be right about this one.


The same cop pulled me up about two years before as he could not see my plate until he came up behind me.
When he got out of his car he said its all good I thought you had no plate but I could see it when I got behind you.
We the talked about my bike for at lest 20min, he had no problems with my bike this day and he even asked to site on my bike.
When I reminded him of this he said nothing and just ignored me.

[davereid]

Call their bluff? How many times in the average police career do you think a cop hears pathetic excuses and attempts to "bush lawyer" up on the road side? The reality is it just sets of alarm bells that scream out "here's another blow hard half wit that thinks he knows it all".

Yep, good advice.

You should always go to court if you didn't do the offence.

But screaming at the cop on the side of the road won't help.

Quietly deny the offence.

Questions like "why were you speeding" are NOT the cop giving you a chance to produce an adequate reason. They are just the cop asking you for a confession, which he will write on the ticket.

He won't let you off, he will just record that "dickhead said he was speeding 'cos he was "

Rules...

- Ride in a group...
- Choose roads that are underpoliced...
- Choose roads that twist, and turn, and thus naturally make your speed vary...
- Only tail-end charlie stops...and he politely insists he wasnt speeding
- never admit anything
- every group ride you go on, toss $5 in the kitty. Use it to defend every ticket..

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.

In 4 weeks, the cop will have issued dozens of tickets. If you don't stand out in his memory, he will be hard pressed to remember anything. He'll claim he picked you out of a line of traffic.. but he won't remember the weather, the colour of your helmet, or if you had a passenger.

You dont have to prove you werent speeding. You only have to cast doubt on any aspect of the ticket, to get off.

Even if you lose, the fine may not be any higher. Sometimes the court imposed fine is lower.

But even if you lose, we all win.

They can only write a dozen tickets a day, because you pay em.

If they all cost the cop half a day in court, they would only bother with real speeders, not just bikers who do 115 passing a truck.

[CookMySock]

Never do anything that will make the cop realise you are going to defend the ticket.

What is the theory behind this one?

You dont have to prove you werent speeding. You only have to cast doubt on any aspect of the ticket, to get off. [list of stuff trimmed]

Gawd you are going to get some abuse posting that great list of stuff..

Steve

[nadroj]

One of the down sides of riding a customized bike is 'drawing attention to ones-self'. The said officer and yourself were at the same place at the wrong time for you.
Pay - it's not worth the time & expence to stand up to the prick unfortunately.

[nodrog:Me]

- Only tail-end charlie stops.......

i dont know how that works, every group ride i have been on that has been pulled over the copper comes in from behind, you pull over to stop and he goes past you and on to the next guy who pulls over, etc, etc, until he gets to the front bike, then pulls that guy over and expects everybody else to stop.

[xgnr]

so... here it is ... conclusive proof

[nodrog:Me]

so... here it is ... conclusive proof

whats with the pink arm band? is that some sort of bacon grading tag?

[CookMySock]

i dont know how that works, every group ride i have been on that has been pulled over the copper comes in from behind, you pull over to stop and he goes past you and on to the next guy who pulls over, etc, etc, until he gets to the front bike, then pulls that guy over and expects everybody else to stop.

Gawd wheres my fucken cluestick.. I haven't seen anyone fall for that trick for 25 years!

If he instructs YOU to pull over, then do so and let the group splinter and continue ahead of you - he either sticks with you or with the remainder of the group - his choice. You stop on the side of the road, watch cop drive off into the distance, shrug shoulders, do U turn, and fuck off. Key is, to get the group split up pronto and force him to stop with one rider only - everyone else either rides on or stops, waits 15 seconds, U turns and (sorry officer, I thought you were asking the other fella to stop.. I had earplugs in.. blah di blah.. didn't realise you were signalling me. I DID stop!! but the officer drove straight past!)

Oldrider said it best - the cops are just another risk to be managed on the road - no different from any other sort of risk. What AMAZES me, is the amount of abuse I receive on KB for talking about it. Are we a community of motorcyclists standing up for ourselves or not? coz it doesn't look like it.

Steve

[vifferman]

so... here it is ... conclusive proof

That's not conclusive - he might be rescuing a small child/kitten/baby fur seal whale penguin/policewoman stuck inside the machine.
In any case, his hands obscure what his hands are up to...