Bears Winter Series R1

[dangerous]

Grizzle guts #1 here, Well in regards to the MT/POS bucket... I as you know have lost interest in it, but Stanko (the two stroke legend) said 'get ya arse out here and lets have one more look at it'
So in protest I loaded the POS up and headed for the sticks. Now with new piston etc and full electrics replacement it meant surely to christ it was the carb, so Stanko looked at is fine collection and muttered ene menie minie mo, and pointed at a sorry looking TZR. Parts of TZR went in all directions and Stanko biffed me a nice looking down draft carbie.
Now I had warned Stanko that I was on my last straw with this thing and as he started the transplant I went out the back yard and tidied up the bonfire, fully expecting that that was where the bike was going to end up.

We decided to use my jetting out of the old carb as a lot of time had been spent on sorting it with the bike going from a 200+ jet down to a 170, and considering the other 2 strokers in a similer state of tune were running 130-140 jets and the side line mechanics saying 'its too rich, its over fuelling its over fueling... go leaner go leaner go leaner'

With a glance over at the nicely piled bonfire thinking all it needs is a two wheeled little lucifer as a starter I ring ding dinged down the 1 k of drive to the sealed rd.

Under explicit direction from stanko to use 1/2 throttle I feed it the fat and within 200 meters the bike was up to its old tricks missing and surging... the cattle and sheep in the padocks were watching and I could see the fucking things sniggering to themselves and chatting between them "we could walk faster than that red shiter".

I headed back to base camp Stanko following me on his bucket, now I was starting to fume again thinking god damn fucking two strokers they are the devils spawn.

With me ranting and raving and looking for the matches Stanko said in his calm deep thinking voice "come on now lets not give up"
So I said "OK but this IS the last chance it gets" give me the smallest bloody jet you have... after a bit of dismantling one of his other bikes he said "don't have one" Well bugger it, I'll teach this bloody bike a lesson, hiff the hugest mother of a irrigation tap sized jet in it you have, so he did in went a 250 and the needle was set back to the half way mast.

With the Stanko bloodhounds (aint it funny what they say about a dogs looks and its owners) lining up along the fence and thinking this is going to be some funny shit the ginga is going to lose it this time as going richer is defying all symptoms I ring ding dinged down the drive again the horses looking rather smug at my stupid looking bike... lined up on the rd next to Stanko again and with the same instructions as before (as he wanted me to use the needle side of the carb 1st I wacked the taps open and dumped the clutch thinking if ya aint going to run right then I'm going to blow the sodding thing up... the bike lit up whellied out from under me leaving me standing there thinking... well ok seems to have more grunt than before, I decided to chase the bitch down the road and mounted it from behind like a cowboy leap froging it onto a horse... pounded on 2nd gear, 3rd, 4th 5th 6th... and held the tart taped out FARRRRRRRRK MEEEEEE felt the sound barrier pass me as I gave the cattle and sheep that were fast becoming blurs the thumbs up at full noise I just kept it pinned and at full noise the power never droped off, I felt like Burt Munro couped over his bike, 5k up the rd it turns to shingle and as I passed the 50yard warning sign I figgered OHHHH CRAP... through the anchors over board and managed to pull up 1m onto the shingle, looked behind me and thought were the hell is Stanko.

Did a U turn as Stanko rocks up saying "so is it any better" gave him the meh average hand wave and fucked off into the distance again leaving Stanko in a clowd a two stroke. With the local live stock running for cover (this bike is bloody loud) I slowed after keeping it pined to blast up the drive, on some what of a high, I laid a 1/2 way decent patch and shot back up the drive. The neighbours nags thinking stuff this and busting into a gallop they took me on opps not the brightest thing to do is spook the horses...
but too late one fucker a bloody large and fast bastard kept hauling arse along the fence line so I backed off, the bloody nag didn't slow and came to the end of its paddock... me thinking ohhhh crap thats their 50k price winning horse thats about to collide with the fence breaking all its legs.
I hope Stanko dosn't like his neighbours, either way I see a court case comming, the bloody thing leaped into the air like a 747 taking off... ohhh crap I didn't want to know were it was going to end up as the next object was a barn and Massy Ferg couldn't see it clearing that.

Anyway back in the work shop I said Thats the last time I ever listen to them so called race mechanics I set up pits with they had me going leaner and leaner till I wasted a piston 2 weeks ago now it was all making sence... the MT wanted MORE FUEL.

Packed up and said "fucking good day Stanko lets have a well deserved beer"... to which he replyed "I don't drink" ahhh crap win some lose some.

So look out FXR buckereers #68 is back with a vengence

Shit look at the time 3:27, I'll sort my spelling out in the morning ok

PS: now too sort out grizzle guts #2... TonyB wee are ya? ohhh sleeping, well I can't all worried about getting this new Kat of mine home today from 200 odd km's south, considering it hasn't been ridden for 5yrs... I hope it holds together.

[TonyB]

I'm calling the SPCA, poor horse!

Well done D and Stanko! Looks like the MTGP is going to be a force to be reckoned with. MrsB thinks it's bloody funny that you sat down to write this at 3am... clearly she doesn't understand. Though she does say she is looking forwrd to seeing you ride it.

As for grizzle guts number 2, the GP is getting a 24mm carb, but really I just need more riding time. The FZR is getting some nice new STICKY tyres and will be out in the 'Moderns' class at the next CAMS meeting. Moderns???? the bloody thing is 17 years old LOL

[diesel pig]

Anyway back in the work shop I said Thats the last time I ever listen to them so called race mechanics I set up pits with they had me going leaner and leaner till I wasted a piston 2 weeks ago now it was all making sence... the MT wanted MORE FUEL.

Dangerous each time you post about this shows you havn't a clue.
The DOWN DRAFT carb Stanko put on would have a different flow rate compared
to the SIDE DRAFT carb you were using before so the main jet sizes would have no relation with one and other. The piston failed because one of the locating pins on the piston stop doing it's job and the ring rotated until it snagged on the exhast port ripping the front of the piston off. Please explain how the motor being "lean" would of caused this?
If you want to prove the bike was "lean" with the SIDE DRAFT carb put it back on with the 250 main jet in it and see if go's as good as the DOWN DRAFT carb Einstein!

[dangerous]

Dangerous each time you post about this shows you havn't a clue.
The DOWN DRAFT carb Stanko put on would have a different flow rate compared
to the SIDE DRAFT carb you were using before so the main jet sizes would have no relation with one and other. The piston failed because one of the locating pins on the piston stop doing it's job and the ring rotated until it snagged on the exhast port ripping the front of the piston off. Please explain how the motor being "lean" would of caused this?
If you want to prove the bike was "lean" with the SIDE DRAFT carb put it back on with the 250 main jet in it and see if go's as good as the DOWN DRAFT carb Einstein!

Not true... we did run the 230 in the RG carb and it went sweet, but I decided I liked the fancy TZR jobbie with the extra super power jet in it.
It's simple as with the DD and small jets, the bike died exactly the same as it did with the SD

DP I wasn't having a go at you and Mr B, you know I appreciate the help from you guys, but the bike did run ok for Kick when it was green at Levels... it had a 200+ jet in it then.
The bike was due for a piston remember it didn't cost me anything... CHEERS MOTOeQUIP
DP... dont you worry bout the bucket... just worry bout the next pre82/cams race

[Kickaha]

Dangerous each time you post about this shows you havn't a clue.

Grumpy little cunt isn't he

[T.W.R]

Not true... we did run the 230 in the RG carb and it went sweet, but I decided I liked the fancy TZR jobbie with the extra super power jet in it.
It's simple as with the DD and small jets, the bike died exactly the same as it did with the SD

DP I wasn't having a go at you and Mr B, you know I appreciate the help from you guys, but the bike did run ok for Kick when it was green at Levels... it had a 200+ jet in it then.
The bike was due for a piston remember it didn't cost me anything... CHEERS MOTOeQUIP
DP... dont you worry bout the bucket... just worry bout the next pre82/cams race

Seem to remember someone sending some PMs early in January about it being too lean

[F5 Dave]

Different engines & different carbs will require different jetting. The fact that it is downdraft or not makes absolutely no difference.

The flow rate of the carb will change from model to model & definitely size. Bigger often need to use bigger jets as the suction from the small engine is not as great through a bigger tube. But further -the other passages have an effect. If the two same carb bodies have different air jets (often non-replaceable ones you see in the front of the bellmouth) then the mainjet required will be different. Also those powerjets if working will require a smaller main. But the TZR ones etc often don’t work as well as they do without the airbox fitted. Another trick is that with proddy rules in those days people weren’t allowed to change their jetting so they jammed pilot jets up the tube connecting the powerjet. I run mine (TZR carb on RG50) completely blocked off as it is better for my bike. Darrin's RG putting out the same power with similar carb used WAAY different jets than I did. Don't listen to anyone saying 'ohh my bike uses a ## size so yours is wrong'

Further with transplants you can find that the needle is too fat to allow the main to be effective. The needle can be the restriction.

So my rule is in the beginning of a carb swap I pull the mainjet out & start the bike. It should run but die with anything more than ½ throttle. If not there is a problem. Then install the biggest jet & the same should happen but to a much lesser degree. Work down from there.

As far as the piston getting wrecked being the ring pegs I may disagree, but would have to see it. Often detonation is brought on from lean jetting. This can be manifested in many ways but long tracks always kill lean bikes. If timing is wrong then a hole is likely, but a lean mixture will dramatically increase the piston crown temperature esp at the exhaust. This heat & explosive condition will often crack the piston lands or the top above the piston by the exhaust. Then (quickly) the rings are unsupported & will snag in the exhaust port & the pegs could be mashed out of the way.

If this was purely a piston peg problem then the piston would be clean (not looking grey & eroded) & bits carved out of the barrel by the exhaust port the ring end caught which may snap away the (clean) top of piston.

[dangerous]

Bloody hell dave, what a wee bundle a knowledge you are.
I'll take a pic of the piston and post it up tomorow night, now from what I can see there is detonation... but only in the area of the exhaust port, the piston is clean. Aint two strokes a funny thing, be interested to get your thoughts.

[Buddha#81:Me]

Bloody hell dave, what a wee bundle a knowledge you are.
I'll take a pic of the piston and post it up tomorow night, now from what I can see there is detonation... but only in the area of the exhaust port, the piston is clean. Aint two strokes a funny thing, be interested to get your thoughts.

Your intesested what F5 got to say from some pictures, when the top SI 2 stroke tuners have already analised you issues. At this rate you will be treated as a leper. I hope Dave can tune it over the internet. Look out Dave you now have a Ginger Madass best buddy, he will be ringing you at 3 am to get your best biscuit mix and want to talk about the lastest womans day.

[dangerous]

Your intesested what F5 got to say from some pictures, when the top SI 2 stroke tuners have already analised you issues. At this rate you will be treated as a leper. I hope Dave can tune it over the internet. Look out Dave you now have a Ginger Madass best buddy, he will be ringing you at 3 am to get your best biscuit mix and want to talk about the lastest womans day.

Ohhh settle down ya old poofter... whats crawled up your arse, OHH I know its the fact you will have to change ya sigie line to "that red headed prick D just kicked my sorry arse"

Now, grumps Yes I am very keen to hear what Dave has to say, he may not be correct in his analisation... but theres no harm in learning now is there.
Since the MT fliped its lid I have learnt heaps,from tuning too making sure the gudgen clip has the open section to the top or bottom, not sides... and its all thanks to the locals down here, so what if I listen to someone else.

I believe that the rings did get courght up in the port, but also believe it was way too lean.

F5 now the SR has something to think about... hehe I showed him aye, heres a couple a pics of the rooted piston.

The pins are well back in the ring grove for some reason and the remaining ring was very loose, piston was clean and the barrel damaged.

[Kickaha]

Ohhh settle down ya old poofter... whats crawled up your arse,

Yes I am very keen to hear what Dave has to say, he may not be correct in his analisation...

Sounds like you will be the one crawling up someones arse you gay cunt, does F5Dave know what he's in for?

[Buddha#81:Me]

Ohhh settle down ya old poofter... whats crawled up your arse, OHH I know its the fact you will have to change ya sigie line to "that red headed prick D just kicked my sorry arse"

Now, grumps Yes I am very keen to hear what Dave has to say, he may not be correct in his analisation... but theres no harm in learning now is there.
Since the MT fliped its lid I have learnt heaps,from tuning too making sure the gudgen clip has the open section to the top or bottom, not sides... and its all thanks to the locals down here, so what if I listen to someone else.

I believe that the rings did get courght up in the port, but also believe it was way too lean.

F5 now the SR has something to think about... hehe I showed him aye, heres a couple a pics of the rooted piston.

The pins are well back in the ring grove for some reason and the remaining ring was very loose, piston was clean and the barrel damaged.

Light wet and dry and it will do another turn. Anything else you need a hand with gingerNUT.

[dangerous]

Light wet and dry and it will do another turn. Anything else you need a hand with gingerNUT.

yeah... I will need a hand to slow down in the next bucket meet... I'll wipe that dumbarse grin off ya face

[johnnyboy0212]

hey fellas. i know im abit late posting this but i would like to thank you all for such a good days racing. it was my first time on the track and i had a blast.didnt fall off either!!.i would really like to thank tony and diesel pig for all there input but how i should go about things.thought id place some photos of my own in to.my parter took them so some are messy as shit.but you get that when mixing woman and technology.thanks again to all who helped me out.oh and by the way if anyone got some 17' slicks for a bucket,please gives me a bell.033135123 or an email.
ps the same thing happen to me afew years ago,the top ring over lapped the retaining pin and the ring gap opened in the exauhts port.but i did it at revs causeing the leftovers to become one with the top of the piston. made a cool paper weight though!

[dangerous]

was my first time on the track and i had a blast.

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