Dog Chips

[Colapop]

"It'S ONLY THE FIRST STEP!! WE'LL ALL BE CHIPPED. IT'S JUST AN INSIDIOUS PLOT. THEY WANT TO CONTROL OUR MINDS. QUICK EVERYONE GET YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON...." Sue Bradford on dog chipping (abridged for the sake of clarity...)

[Deano]

The people that the chipping is supposedly aimed at, wont even have their dogs reg anyway, so once again, Joe Average pays.

You're onto it Dooly.

My wife and I have two dogs, aged 13 and 12 (both getting a bit deaf and senile now - the dogs that is ).

We've been responsible dog owners (registered with Council) for the past 5 years, so we get a discount off the fee.

With our history of being RDO's, and no problems ever, and the fact the dogs are getting quite old (prob another few years alive at most) - will I need to chip them ? Pretty expensive excercise considering all of the above, and it will achieve NOTHING.

Seems bloody ridiculous to me.

[Hitcher]

This is just plain and simple bad legislation. It was conceived in haste after a young girl was savagely attacked by an unrestrained dog in an Auckland park.

In reality, at-risk dogs that are currently unregistered will also be unchipped. Having a chip inserted will not stop dogs attacking people. The rationale for dog chipping is like saying that registration plates on cars prevent road accidents.

If sense and reason prevails, at some stage this dumb legislation will be overturned.

[Deano]

"It'S ONLY THE FIRST STEP!! WE'LL ALL BE CHIPPED. IT'S JUST AN INSIDIOUS PLOT. THEY WANT TO CONTROL OUR MINDS. QUICK EVERYONE GET YOUR TIN FOIL HATS ON...." Sue Bradford on dog chipping (abridged for the sake of clarity...)

Yep - ever read Revelations with relation to the mark of the beast ?

The end is nigh. (Please don't take this as an invitation to rant Zed P/T)

[Winston001]

This is just plain and simple bad legislation. It was conceived in haste after a young girl was savagely attacked by an unrestrained dog in an Auckland park.

Agreed. The problem is that no MP wants to seen voting against it because that looks like a big tick to vicious dogs. The best they can do is water it down.

Having said that, dogs are chipped elsewhere in the world - Ireland and Oz for eg. It would be helpful if the public could be told of those countries experiences and whether there is any real benefit.

I'm pro-farmer but if dog chips are imposed, then logic says "all for one and one for all". The moment you introduce exceptions, a whole can of worms opens. (If that is mixing metaphors I did it on porpoise).

[Filterer]

I have worked for two summers for the "dog rangers" in auckland city a few years back so I think I have a reasonably good idea of the pros and cons of the situations.

Now forgive if Im wrong but I believe that the new law says that any NEWLY registered dogs will have to be chipped, its not like the farmers are going to have to go get all of their dogs chipped at $50 a dog straight away costing them $$$$$, rather that (assuming their dogs are currently registered) they will only be paying each time they get a new dog.

Now people say i pay my fees and i get my little tag that i put on my dogs collar and they always have it on. You would be surprised the number of the buggers that have either been tied up by their collar and slipped their heads through them to get out or they simply fall off when the dogs are squeezing through that tiny hole in your fence.

The idea is to allow the dog rangers to immediatly be able to identify such dogs, if we can identify the dog straight away, the dog is registered and clearly an accident has occured and beloved jack has slipped out an open door then our first step is to go to the registered dog owners address and try to return the dog. If we cannot get hold of the owner then the dog goes for a trip up to the kennels in silverdale - a reasonable 35+ min drive each way for some areas in auckland.

As many people also say is that the people who cause the most problems are the people who are not going to register their dog anyway or lie/cheat or steal a registration tag. Its a bit fucking harder to steal a microchip! The idea is that in the long run it will be impossible to get a dog without a microchip so we can trace the problem dogs back to their owners and deal with them appropiatly.

If you can then assume that all "legal" dogs have a microchip then seperating true strays and probelm dogs is 10x easier, now im not suggesting that if we find one without a microchip that we pull out our shotgun (not that the city officers have them anyway) and shoot them straight away but they can be on the fast track to the kennels - no excuses/i lost my rego etc etc etc.

However if farm dogs are exempt (and the same for all working dogs in my opinion) them this assumption is no longer true so the benefits go out the window

[Flatcap]

This is just plain and simple bad legislation. It was conceived in haste after a young girl was savagely attacked by an unrestrained dog in an Auckland park.

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And this is just another hobby horse for the Labour Government. You would think there are more important things to occupy the attention of these fools....junior doctors perhaps...

[Filterer]

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The rationale for dog chipping is like saying that registration plates on cars prevent road accidents.
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Sure they dont but it stops people getting away with runners after accidents,

[Motu]

Same as the gun law - the wrong people still have guns.And a lot of people getting hot under the collar about a percieved problem - Filterer says there is a grandfather clause,only newly registered dogs will be chipped.But it's fun to get upset I guess.

[Jantar]

I have worked for two summers for the "dog rangers" in auckland city a few years back so I think I have a reasonably good idea of the pros and cons of the situations.....

The idea is to allow the dog rangers to immediatly be able to identify such dogs, if we can identify the dog straight away, the dog is registered and clearly an accident has occured and beloved jack has slipped out an open door then our first step is to go to the registered dog owners address and try to return the dog. If we cannot get hold of the owner then the dog goes for a trip up to the kennels in silverdale - a reasonable 35+ min drive each way for some areas in auckland.....

So tell us, How do you manage carrying that micro chip reader with you?

At present there are no micro chip readers down here in the deep south, but the Dunedin City Council has ordered one at a cost of $4000 (according to the ODT) and hopes to have it installed in the pound sometime in July. Our local district council does not yet have one, and has no intention of getting one. The Law only states that dogs must be chipped, it doesn't state that the chips must be able to read by any particular officer.

My reading on it is that if a dog is caught, and doesn't have its collar and tag, then the dog will still have to be taken to a place where the chip can be read.

No-one has yet explained how micro-chipping dogs will prevent an attack.

[Deano]

As many people also say is that the people who cause the most problems are the people who are not going to register their dog anyway or lie/cheat or steal a registration tag. Its a bit fucking harder to steal a microchip! The idea is that in the long run it will be impossible to get a dog without a microchip so we can trace the problem dogs back to their owners and deal with them appropiatly.

There is no need to steal a microchip. Just go to your local gang (or degenerate lowlife) for one of their specifically bred dangerous dogs. How does microchipping identify these dogs ?

Sure they dont but it stops people getting away with runners after accidents,

Only if they have a number plate (refer above).

In my opinion, if the existing bylaws had been enforced more rigourously in the past, people would be less inclined to let their dogs off a leash (as required in public places under most bylaws- excepting excercise areas).

However, this gets back to the original point that only law abiding citizens will comply anyway...

Does registering guns prevent murders occurring from 'illegal' (not registered) guns ?

[Deano]

No-one has yet explained how micro-chipping dogs will prevent an attack.

Because it can't.

It only makes traceability easier.

But if some low life's unregistered, unchipped dangerous dog attacks a kid, the low life will 9 times out of 10 do a runner and leave the dog to avoid being caught.

How does microchipping counter this scenario ?

[SDU]

Yip Filterer is right, only newly regoed dogs need to microchiped, unless the dog is already classed as a dangerous dog.
The chch council is implanting Puppies (1st time) regoed dogs for free.
The cost at vet clinics is not that expensive, it is just that the vets have consulting fees, so people should get them done when going in for a vaccination or combine with another visit.
If the dog is given away then the owner should change their details on the data base to the new owner.
Hope the Govt can sort out a data base system that works.
The only thing chipping is going to do is help clinics (if they were allowed access to the database) find the owner off a dog that has been bought in injured, quickly, can be life saving or find the real owner of a lost dog.
A lot of people were m.chipping their dogs for those reasons anyway without it being law.
The reason the govt is doing it for won't help one bit not unless the chips are coded to take over a dogs mind to stop it from biting.....

Maybe they are trailing them on dogs before we get them...

Training owners to train their dogs would have been better & even then accidents/ or bites can still happen. Especially when jo public still stick their faces in other peoples dogs faces.
We had a Irish Wolfhound in the van parked outside a shop. I looked out the window to see a total dumbass stranger trying to stick their head in the window. All they got was slobbered, Luckily the ole boy was not territorial of the van.

[placidfemme]

I have worked for two summers for the "dog rangers" in auckland city a few years back so I think I have a reasonably good idea of the pros and cons of the situations.

Now forgive if Im wrong but I believe that the new law says that any NEWLY registered dogs will have to be chipped, its not like the farmers are going to have to go get all of their dogs chipped at $50 a dog straight away costing them $$$$$, rather that (assuming their dogs are currently registered) they will only be paying each time they get a new dog.

Now people say i pay my fees and i get my little tag that i put on my dogs collar and they always have it on. You would be surprised the number of the buggers that have either been tied up by their collar and slipped their heads through them to get out or they simply fall off when the dogs are squeezing through that tiny hole in your fence.

The idea is to allow the dog rangers to immediatly be able to identify such dogs, if we can identify the dog straight away, the dog is registered and clearly an accident has occured and beloved jack has slipped out an open door then our first step is to go to the registered dog owners address and try to return the dog. If we cannot get hold of the owner then the dog goes for a trip up to the kennels in silverdale - a reasonable 35+ min drive each way for some areas in auckland.

As many people also say is that the people who cause the most problems are the people who are not going to register their dog anyway or lie/cheat or steal a registration tag. Its a bit fucking harder to steal a microchip! The idea is that in the long run it will be impossible to get a dog without a microchip so we can trace the problem dogs back to their owners and deal with them appropiatly.

If you can then assume that all "legal" dogs have a microchip then seperating true strays and probelm dogs is 10x easier, now im not suggesting that if we find one without a microchip that we pull out our shotgun (not that the city officers have them anyway) and shoot them straight away but they can be on the fast track to the kennels - no excuses/i lost my rego etc etc etc.

However if farm dogs are exempt (and the same for all working dogs in my opinion) them this assumption is no longer true so the benefits go out the window

Ok... all I gathered from that is.... Chips will make it easier to return a lost dog... hmmmm... still not really justifyable (sp)

[Filterer]

So tell us, How do you manage carrying that micro chip reader with you?

At present there are no micro chip readers down here in the deep south, but the Dunedin City Council has ordered one at a cost of $4000 (according to the ODT) and hopes to have it installed in the pound sometime in July. Our local district council does not yet have one, and has no intention of getting one. The Law only states that dogs must be chipped, it doesn't state that the chips must be able to read by any particular officer.

My reading on it is that if a dog is caught, and doesn't have its collar and tag, then the dog will still have to be taken to a place where the chip can be read.

No-one has yet explained how micro-chipping dogs will prevent an attack.

Like i said i havent worked their for a number of years but when I did they had some handheld ones - im not up with the current play but i am a electrical enginnering student and i know what sorta stuff goes into those suckers and i couldn't see them being any bigger then a cell phone these days