11 September - 4 years on

**Wolf** · 16th January 2006, 21:51

Originally Posted by terbang

Lotsa flash words there Wolf do you mean George should be called a "Goddam Muthafucker" ?

According to my interpretation of Lou's assessment, GW's at least hopeful...

**Swoop** · 17th January 2006, 20:24

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

"slag-a-thong"

Hmmm, I think I dated someone like that once...

**SARGE** · 28th January 2006, 07:19

Originally Posted by Skyryder

e Americans knew of the impending French terrorist atack on the Rainbow Warrior. But being the good freind that they were to New Zealand they forgot to tell us.

Skyryder

we didnt think you'd miss a few hippies.

hindsight is 20/20

**Indiana_Jones** · 28th January 2006, 09:51

lol if green peace is dumb enough to get in the way of people long they have to expect a reaction, maybe the french over reacted, but the hippies had to expect one

-Indy

**James Deuce** · 28th January 2006, 09:56

Yes they did have to expect a reaction - in French territory. Doing it in Auckland Harbour was just terrorism at a Government level.

**Indiana_Jones** · 28th January 2006, 13:15

Originally Posted by Jim2

Yes they did have to expect a reaction - in French territory. Doing it in Auckland Harbour was just terrorism at a Government level.

hmmmmmmm maybe they should of waited till they were in international waters, anythings legal then lol

-Indy

**James Deuce** · 28th January 2006, 13:27

Yes, talk like a pirate and you get away with anything in International waters.

Getting faintly back on the original topic, does anyone else think it odd that the French Government didn't immediately sacrifice a senior Civil Servant or Politician's career in return for Dominique Prieur and Alain Marfart? SArge will know what I mean. You do NOT sacrifice your covert ops specialists like that because you can't admit you fucked up at a Government level. That bit was almost as bad as the sinking itself.

"Zut Alors, we are busted mes amis! Quick, deny everything and make the troops on the ground look stupid, even though they did their job perfectly. What do you mean zis David Lange is not giving in to our demands. Did he not notice ze sinking ship in his main harbour - what? - You won't let me sink any MORE ships in zis tinpot country? In zat case we must smother ze evidence in garlic and eat it. Oh and someone get Dominique pregnant so ze stupid Kiwi's feel sorry for her and let her go home."

Bastards.

Deluded jerks in that particular French Government

**Indiana_Jones** · 28th January 2006, 13:43

Our current labour Government is the real enemy.

-Indy

**Swoop** · 28th January 2006, 21:11

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

hmmmmmmm maybe they should of waited till they were in international waters, anythings legal then lol

-Indy

I believe that this was the original plan... Someone fuc*ed up somewhere along the line.
Knowing the french, there would have been an act of cowardice committed at some stage...

**Indiana_Jones** · 29th January 2006, 11:57

Can't we just get along?

LOVE LIFT US UP WHERE WE BELONG!

-Indy

**Wolf** · 31st January 2006, 09:23

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

hmmmmmmm maybe they should of waited till they were in international waters, anythings legal then lol

-Indy

IANAL but as far as I can recall about International Law, a ship is a little chunk of the country whose flag it flies. The Rainbow Warrior was lying the Canadian flag and was therefore a little chunk of Canada floating in our waters. An attack on that ship in International Waters is an attack on the country - an act of war (if the attackers are flying their own country's colours) answerable by retaliatory attacks on France by Canada or of piracy (if the attackers are flying no colours or false colours) answerable by the immediate execution of the perpetrators if caught. AFAIK, International Law permits the carrying of weapons on craft on the high seas and permits the officers of said craft to kill anyone who attempts to board by force.

The French have had a long history of attacking the Greenpeace boats in International Waters with military ships, aided and abetted by British and American warships (a bit of military support in exchange for scientific data because both the poms and the yanks had signed accords with the Russians saying they wouldn't test nukes so they let the French do it and reaped the data) - acts of out-and-out war against whatever countries were represented by the Greenpeace boats.

What they did in our waters, however, was covert and they weren't "flying colours" so they were pirates or terrorists depending on how you want to spin it - deserving of execution in either case.

Old Sir Francis Drake used to strike the flag before he attacked Spanish ships so Elizabeth the First had what the Americans call "plausible deniablity". Elizabeth was not prepared to go into out-and-out war with Spain so Drake used to hammer the Spaniards (and bring their gold home to the Queen) unofficially. If Drake had been caught, he would have been hanged as a pirate - they thought it better to risk that than open war.

**Indiana_Jones** · 1st February 2006, 11:32

Shiver me timbers!
But they can't catch Cpt. Jack Sparrow!

-Indy

**SARGE** · 10th September 2006, 23:05

tonight (11 Sept)on Discovery.. 11:30.. if you really want good quality conspiracy theory entertainment .. please watch Loose Change 2nd edition .. or if you cant stay up that late .. it is on Google Video..

then go HERE for the de-bunking..

i have watched both first and second editions and they are an insult to everyone who died 5 years ago..

For example, I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico.

Area 51? Hell yes.

Roswell? Hell Yes

Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster .. ? ditto

But "Loose Change" elevates bullshit to an art form. Watching this video is like being smacked with a fistfull of stupid.

the fact that Dylan Avery, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11.

Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence.... he's claiming that the US government, for whatever reason, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that followed because of it.

Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical problems about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill this douchebag and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pencil-neck dickheads with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet.

and Discovery WOULD NOT BE BROADCASTING IT!.. this is Pro Wrestling of the conspiracy world..

I can picture the Hippy morons posting now:

"BUT SARGE, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT!."

Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision."

Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history...with military precision no less...is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some tech-school losers within days, if not minutes of its creation?

The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to 86 this kid long before his video ever became popular?

anyone got a Tui?