Wellington Parking - They are about to clamp down on bike parking

[sinned]

Did any of you welly KB'rs get one of these notices on your bike yesterday?

Good to see the notices have woken up at least on KBr to proposed change. Were you too busy Tag 0 Rama - ing to follow the debate?

[Badjelly]

We really need to challenge this drivel that "public transport is sustainable and green.

I reckon this topic deserves its own thread.

[Drogen Omen]

Good to see the notices have woken up at least on KBr to proposed change. Were you too busy Tag 0 Rama - ing to follow the debate?

hehehehe yip... way too busy tag'o'ramaing... hehehe

see this parking bikes in parking buildings not gona work... as i will need to get my bike out to go after tags at all times through out the day...

[davebullet]

I don't see what the issue is with leaflets being left on any and every motorcycle in sight. Some of those parked legally or on private property and receiving a notice may next week or sometime soon seek a park in another place. At least they will have been warned.

Get over it. Be

Yeah - it's good to warn people... but you don't know if they think you are illegally parked or not. The bottom of the notice says continued infringement will result in a fine.

Normally I take a warning notice on my cage / bike as "you've done something wrong".

I'll ask the council whether the police have complained or asked. I suspect they've just told their wardens (I believe the parking warden service is subcontracted anyway by the council) to place a warning on any bike on / near the footpath. I didn't check any bikes in the on street parking to see if it was a blanket drop.

[Drogen Omen]

Yeah - it's good to warn people... but you don't know if they think you are illegally parked or not. The bottom of the notice says continued infringement will result in a fine.

Normally I take a warning notice on my cage / bike as "you've done something wrong".

I'll ask the council whether the police have complained or asked. I suspect they've just told their wardens (I believe the parking warden service is subcontracted anyway by the council) to place a warning on any bike on / near the footpath. I didn't check any bikes in the on street parking to see if it was a blanket drop.

yes it was a blanket drop.

the problem is there is no enough parking spaces and now the spare places on the footpath that is not being used will be made illegal to park on... even if the footpath is as wide as the grand fucking canion...

[DrDuc]

[QUOTE=Jon Visser;1129383201]Hi all,

* In comparison, Sydney has about 600 on-road spaces for about 4,500 motorcyclists (CBD).

I'm not sure about NSW but at least in Victoria (Melbourne) it is perfectly legal to park a motorcycle on the footpath so long as it does not hinder other users (pedestrians) - this means parking on the footpath but out of the way close to the kerb. I have found that system works very well for all users (foot and motorcycle) - motorcyclists are considerate and pedestrians are tolerant. I think that system would be welcome and effective here. Let's just grow up, be considerate and tolerate sharing.
Marc

[Jon Visser]

There aren't any and Mr Visser has had to retract that there are ANY private car parks that have agreed to let motorcycles in for free or a reduced charge at the Council's behest. It will be a frosty day in hell before Wilson Parking lets anyone park a motorcycle at a reduced cost in one of their parks.

Please see the posts earlier on this thread by Wilsons and Tournament Parking garages. They not only confirm that they have agreed to provide parking for motorcycles in all of their garages, but also provide their contact details.

The next set of fliers will include maps on the back of all possible parking locations. I would have preferred them to go out on a drier day, but things were dragging on a bit and I wanted to have at least the fist set issued before the end of the month. As most people have already figured out, they are not a ticket and do not imply that the recipient is parking illegally. They are issued to all riders so that all are equally aware of what is expected of them. Even those who park legally on the road all day may wish to consider their fellow riders who would like to come & go during the day.

[davebullet]

The major concerns I have about bikes in a carparking building is security and safety. I guy at the gym had his SV knocked over due to the tight turning space and poor judgement of a car driver - causing $1,500 of damage.

[Drogen Omen]

Please see the posts earlier on this thread by Wilsons and Tournament Parking garages. They not only confirm that they have agreed to provide parking for motorcycles in all of their garages, but also provide their contact details.

sorry Jon, but do you have a list of which car parking buildings have agreed to this thing your talking about, cause i walked down to Wilson's car parking building on Willis street and Wilson's car parking building on the terrace and talked to them about the so called cheaper rates for motorcycle parking... they said that they had not been told anything about it...

also i have got written permission from the building owner of where i park my bike, i managed to get a boundary view from the council for this building and about 80% of the footpath falls inside the buildings boundaries. this makes the location we park our bikes in Private property and Park Wise do NOT have any jurisdiction over it. also our bikes are well out of the way of pedestrians... you could drive 2 cars side by side down this section of footpath and still have enough room for our bikes to be parked there safely.

so will continue to park my bike in the same spot on the footpath out of the way of pedestrians just as it has been for the last 5 years.

[Jon Visser]

also i have got written permission from the building owner of where i park my bike, i managed to get a boundary view from the council for this building and about 80% of the footpath falls inside the buildings boundaries. this makes the location we park our bikes in Private property

Parking on private property is fine as long as you have the building owner's permission. The bike must be wholly parked on private property, i.e. have no components sticking out over the boundary line. If we receive complaints from the building owner about bikes parking on the public footpath on their property (without their permission) we do have the ability to issue an infringement notice and the building owner has the ability to get it towed as long as they put up signs to that effect (e.g. as happened outside the ANZ building in Grey Street).

do you have a list of which car parking buildings have agreed to this thing your talking about

Below is the information supplied by the parking garages to KB. Note that this is aimed at commuter parking, not casual parking, so the garage attendants will probably not be able to help you. You should first contact the parking operator through their office to determine the best location and pricing for you, and to set up an account.

We will publish an updated map soon showing all possible public parking locations where you may be able to park your motorcycle or scooter.

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WCC on-road:
http://www.wellington.govt.nz/servic...le-parking.pdf

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Wilsons
http://www.wilsonparking.co.nz/go/re...wellington-cbd
Hello, Wilson Parking have been in discussion with the Council about this issue and are more than happy to offer parking for bikes at our various sites around Wellington. For rates and locations, feel free to contact us on 04 473 2293 or email me at garethp@wilsonparking.co.nz. Thanks, Gareth Phillips.
(able to accommodate motorcycles & scooters at any of the facilities shown on the map except for Price Waterhouse Coopers)

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Tournament
http://www.tournament.co.nz/default.aspx?rid=2
Hi All, Tournament Parking has a dedicated motorbike parking area at James Smiths Car Park. This area is undercover and can hold 40-50 bikes. This area is currently provided free of charge (and has been for many years). This is on a first in, first served basis.
As part of the discussions with the council we have introduced a dedicated space for motorbikes at the Plimmer Tower Car Park. This park is located on the corner of Boulcott Street & Gilmer Terrace and has excellent pedestrian access to the Terrace, Boulcott Street & Lambton Quay (via Plimmer Steps). For more info and rates for this site contact us on 473 3432.
We can also provide parking options for bikes at our other locations around the city. For further information on locations and rates (which are very reasonable) phone 473 3432 or email info@tournament.co.nz
We have several members of staff who ride, so we are keen to help out where we can. Cheers, Tournament Parking

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Care Park:
http://www.carepark.co.nz/index.php?...d=38&Itemid=56
On a commercial and casual basis we have over 25 different sites through out wellington. We have a covered/manned and secure carpark in Boulcott St that would be perfect for motorcycles & scooters and many others around town.
Email info@carepark.co.nz
Toll Free number 0800 227 372
Phone (04) 388 9681

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[Drogen Omen]

I have uploaded the boundary of the building that we park our bikes at.

key:
- the yellow line is the boundary of the building we park in front of.
- the red line is the boundary of the next building.
- the blue line is the boundary of the next building.
- the green box's are where we park our bikes.

Os you can see the boundary goes right to the tree's

Our bikes stick out past the building by about 20cm. but there is still plenty of room for wheel chairs.

I will take a photo with our bikes park in the spot and show how far out the boundary actually goes.

[James Deuce]

Please note that Wilson's have expressly forbidden the sharing of car sized parks by multiple motorcycles.

[Drogen Omen]

Please note that Wilson's have expressly forbidden the sharing of car sized parks by multiple motorcycles.

Well that sux... it better be $2 a day for the car park then... cause no one will park in the buildings if its too expensive... after all that's why so many people are riding bikes now. cause they are cheaper to run and parking is free. we are in a recession after all...

[Jon Visser]

Please note that Wilson's have expressly forbidden the sharing of car sized parks by multiple motorcycles.

Wilsons will be putting aside designated motorcycle-sized parking spaces (on an as-needed basis) for motorcycles and scooters to use so that they can all easily get in & out without damaging each other or the adjacent cars. Therefore there should be no need to use car parking spaces by motorcycles unless people choose to hire such a space for a particularly large or expensive bike (which some people do).

[Jon Visser]

I have uploaded the boundary of the building that we park our bikes at.

That is a great example:
* The building owner has historically cleared with the Council that such parking is OK (a few property owners along Willis Street have done so where Council has not purchased the extra strip of land that was going to be used to widen the road).
* There are permanent physical obstructions present (e.g. the church fence & trees) that channel pedestrians away from the area used for parking (other property owners along here have put in bollards).
* There is a vehicle crossing adjacent to the location where motorcycles can safely get on & off the road and across the footpath.
(Note that the red property boundary is not actually quite right - the church car park encroaches onto the public footpath)