Kiwibiker racing club ???

[FROSTY:Me]

I was thinking maybee it might be an idea to start a kiwibiker racing club.
The whole idea is to be some sort of club so we can hire tracks like manfeild easier.
It wouldnt represent the KB forum of course
I know its a whole lot of hassle and there are a lot of reasons not to
But with the way manfeild is going and with track owners gettting paranoid I
wonder how long were going to be able to have open days without it?

[svs]

Its sounds like it might be a plan but....

The reason why it's so difficult to hire out Manfeild is that you need 3rd party liability insurance to run an event. It's not enough to have folks sign a disclaimer. All the bike clubs like Vic, AMCC, Pacific are affiliated to MNZ and are covered through that organisation. But if any KB club was affiliated to MNZ, then all members would probably need a competition license to be covered anyway - in which case may as well just join a club and get out on the test days.

I don't think you could (legally) get away saying its a private hire, and then inviting a bunch of people to hoon around. If someone was badly hurt or killed themselves, then the organisers may/would still be liable.

Not wanting to put the idea down or anything, but I did speak to Manfeild event a while back and had a bit of a chat about what was involved about hiring the circuit out and it wasn't that easy, Manfeild need to cover their ass too.

Again, don't want to put a good idea down , but youneed to know what you're going to come up against.

[FROSTY:Me]

Yep I sure do--its the public liability insurance and track damage insurance im trying to sort out.
I think as a club it mightnt be too bad--
That side of things dont really worry me actually
Its all the BS and politicing that goes on when you have a "club"
and the them versus us mentality.
-Heres a senario- say for example We organise a track day for the "club"
The buck has to stop somewhere - So say someone is eitther A being a total idiot or B turns up with a bike that isn't safe to be on the track
someone has to tell em -nope youre off the track.
Its a situation that noone wants to be in --the nasty bugger saying--go away.
That said I still think maybee it has merit as an idea to follow up.
I mean greg powel is doing quite nicely with the woodhill forest rides

[FROSTY:Me]

noone else got feedback here -If the idea sucks cool but if it has merit why not see how far we can go with it?

[Motoracer]

Maybe you should start a poll saying. Who would like to become a member of this club?

You've got my vote but I wonder how many KB racers there really are to make up a decent club. I wouldn't know so I am interested to find out.

[FROSTY:Me]

good idea MR ill do that -as soon as I figure out how --arggg

[Racey Rider]

I haven't understood yet why we need a KBRacers Club? Am I missing something or can't we just turn up to open track test days as before? I have read the thread about road bike days being cancelled, but road bikes can still come to the test days, where as us race bikers couldn't come to the road bike days.
Seems to be a lot of unnessary pressure on "us" ( a proposed KBR club) to sort everything & come up with the track hire money RAIN or Shine!

[Deano]

I haven't understood yet why we need a KBRacers Club? Am I missing something or can't we just turn up to open track test days as before? I have read the thread about road bike days being cancelled, but road bikes can still come to the test days, where as us race bikers couldn't come to the road bike days.
Seems to be a lot of unnessary pressure on "us" ( a proposed KBR club) to sort everything & come up with the track hire money RAIN or Shine!

Which begs the question, "who takes responsibility for the test days, if road bikes are allowed to participate ?" - why is it any different to an open day.

I would be interested in a KB club, but the $$$ for rain or shine would be a handicap.

[FROSTY:Me]

Thats a detail to work out for sure.
I've spoken to the owner of pukekohe track and I got an outline of what would be involved to hire the track.
1 would be track hire
2 would be fire protection equipment
3 would be medical assistance
4 would be public liability insurance -to cover guys getting hurt or damaging someone elses property.
5 - track damage cover.
Im guessing the same would apply at manfeild.
and yep the whole what if it rains question is a big one -like who pays what and how much,
Hey its an idea only mostly i must say in reaction to manfeild promotions attitude.
If the existing clubs have their track time set aside for other things rs maybee someone-or someones needs to get off their butt and organise it so we all get at least 4 track days a year

[Kwaka-Kid]

call me late - but how far did this go? if the track can be cheaper i want in on the idea!

[Drunken Monkey]

I haven't understood yet why we need a KBRacers Club? Am I missing something or can't we just turn up to open track test days as before? I have read the thread about road bike days being cancelled, but road bikes can still come to the test days, where as us race bikers couldn't come to the road bike days.
Seems to be a lot of unnessary pressure on "us" ( a proposed KBR club) to sort everything & come up with the track hire money RAIN or Shine!

That all depends on whether Frosty is trying to organise a proper racing club, ie fixed grid or against the clock racing, or whather he just wants to make it easier for us to have 'KB only' type controlled testing/open days. I'm all for the latter, but at this stage I'm not interested in serious circuit racing. Also, being a 'hobbyist', wet weather will be enough to put me off, and damned if I'm going to pre-pay for track use that I'm not going to be inclined to use. A lot of other 'casuals' would probably be in the same boat, I reckon.

I don't think we actually need to be an official 'club' to make a private track booking anyway. Companies like Mitsubishi have regular track bookings for new product launches. Same rules as the controlled testing days, ie there are several basic safety rules that must be followed and there is no 'proper' racing off the grid - other than that, the direction of travel is clockwise and you can do what you want...

Frosty, care to elaborate your intentions?

[Kwaka-Kid]

im with you lessthensober monkey!

[Hoon]

Also, being a 'hobbyist', wet weather will be enough to put me off, and damned if I'm going to pre-pay for track use that I'm not going to be inclined to use. A lot of other 'casuals' would probably be in the same boat, I reckon.

I don't think we actually need to be an official 'club' to make a private track booking anyway. Companies like Mitsubishi have regular track bookings for new product launches.

Yes that is the problem.
- To hire the track requires money up front.
- To get money up front requires people to pay before the day.

[Firefight]

I was thinking maybee it might be an idea to start a kiwibiker racing club.
The whole idea is to be some sort of club so we can hire tracks like manfeild easier.
It wouldnt represent the KB forum of course
I know its a whole lot of hassle and there are a lot of reasons not to
But with the way manfeild is going and with track owners gettting paranoid I
wonder how long were going to be able to have open days without it?

Yeah, well thats a big call Frosty !, I would think there would be a few liability issues to deal with, however, am happy to offer support for medical and firefighting requirments,should this idea take off, I commend you for trying to get these things up and running for the KB girls and guys.

F/F

[FROSTY:Me]

That all depends on whether Frosty is trying to organise a proper racing club, ie fixed grid or against the clock racing, or whather he just wants to make it easier for us to have 'KB only' type controlled testing/open days. I'm all for the latter, but at this stage I'm not interested in serious circuit racing. Also, being a 'hobbyist', wet weather will be enough to put me off, and damned if I'm going to pre-pay for track use that I'm not going to be inclined to use. A lot of other 'casuals' would probably be in the same boat, I reckon.

I don't think we actually need to be an official 'club' to make a private track booking anyway. Companies like Mitsubishi have regular track bookings for new product launches. Same rules as the controlled testing days, ie there are several basic safety rules that must be followed and there is no 'proper' racing off the grid - other than that, the direction of travel is clockwise and you can do what you want...

Frosty, care to elaborate your intentions?

DM and others. This is why I shelved the idea.
It's very much a case of yea organise it -I might turn up.
at the end of the day with a track hire someone needs to put their balls on the line and front the money.
Now with pukie its gonna cost about $4000 to rent the track,pay for fire equipment, public liability insurance, supply lunch for marshalls etc-- and those costs happen come rain or shine.
I've done a tally up of costs.
My reasoning was if I could get a $80 non refundable deposit from 50 KB members then I'd have the costs covered.
I was going to structure the pricing so that EOD was $30 dearer than prepay.
Like anyone here I can't afford to throw away huge sums of money but $80 wont break my bank.
The odvious question is -what if more than 50 turn up and
Well bugger me I make a profit.
That money can go to the site or be plowed under so the next track day will be cheaper.
Without Being MNZ affiliated and running a "propper" race meeting we can't actually "race'
My idea though was to have it run as a propper practice.
You could run in A B or C grade a being fast c being novice riders and guys that only want to circulate the track.be being middle speed. -decided by your feelings of your bike/rider pace.
We would do one full lap then grid up and have a someone start us.
10 lap sessions -determined by the fastest rider crossing the line on lap 10.
It would be a taste of what its like to race but with no real winners so no point in going at 10/10ths
I've got a fair few ideas and its like a middle line between a normal track day and real racing.