Distance-based road tax for all vehicles under investigation

[James Deuce]

Scum sucking sons of bitches.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/3914568a10.html

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

not only that but tossers and wankers ...

[davereid]

Its a bloody lie anyway - they have been looking at it for years. There was an article on the beca-carter UK website about 2 years ago announcing they had the contract to develop ways of administering the system. Proposal was electronic number plates - sort of like the microchip they plant in your dog, but built into your number plate. So it could be read as you drive along by sensors built into the road. I've noticed a lot of green boxes springing up at choke points on the roads, always next to a diamond shaped cut in the tarseal. I asked everyone who owned them and they all denied ownership. Finally I told a guy in LTSA that as no-one owned them I'd break into the one on my road - it wouldnt matter as no one would care, but suddenly LTSA owned them and would prosecute me etc etc..

[Da Bird]

If they make the proposed Road User charges based on the weight/size of the vehicle as they do now, and removed the current petrol tax, bikers would (or should) actually be better off, obviously depending on what the new charges are. I think for a diesel car or 4x4, its currently about $24.00 per 1000km, so logic would assume a bike would be about half that. (Although, you need to get a person making the new rules to understand that logic).

[James Deuce]

Nope Bykey Cop it will be a flat rate depending on fuel type, with petrol vehicles at the top of the tier.

[Skyryder]

There's gonna be a raft of these things in th years to come. I can not help but wonder the amount of fuel we could have saved with an efficient rail system. I think in the future rail will make a comback if for no other reason than fuel and carbon efficiency.

Skyryder

[davereid]

Nope, public transport is never green, its either very fuel inefficient, or very transport inefficient. Its just a fantasy that public transport is the future.

We let the transport planners waste our money on it, without ever asking them the basic question .. ie is it any good ? if we asked that question we would never fund it.

Look at it this way...

Fuel efficient bus.. you wait at the bus stop until all 55 seats are full. Thats a fuel efficient bus. Buts its not very transport efficient.

Transport efficient bus.. one every 3 minutes even on your rural route. But 99% of busses only carry the driver. Not very fuel efficient.

Actual public transport is worse - the bus is never regular enough to be useful, andit gets dismal fuel economy per passenger km.

(Exception being cities with existing infrastructure and 12000000 million people.)

The future is already here, its called the motor scooter.

Goes from where you are, to where you want to be, when you want to go and it gets 100 mpg. No waiting for the bus or train, just go and be green.

[Swoop]

Fuel efficient bus.. you wait at the bus stop until all 55 seats are full. Thats a fuel efficient bus. Buts its not very transport efficient.

Transport efficient bus.. one every 3 minutes even on your rural route. But 99% of busses only carry the driver. Not very fuel efficient.

OR they might get smaller busses much like overseas. These fill quicker and can handle more "round about the houses" routes that are untapped by the stupid too-large buses we currently have. Keep the larger busses for the more popular routes.

Oops... off topic already.
YES, Bloody bastard stupid morons fecking taxes...!!!

If introduced, we will get rid of the current taxes on fuel. - Yeah, right.

[Toaster]

Who voted for these money grubbing communist self-seeking tossers anyway? I want a real democratic government that doesn't control the media and listens to referendums.

They make masive tax surpluses as it is.... did the buggers not get a big enough payrise or what?

Our problem is we just bend over and take it each and every time... maybe we should protest like the french!

[RantyDave]

Scum sucking sons of bitches.

So write to them.

"Dear scum sucking sons of bitches,

I write in reference to your proposed legislation of a distance based road tax. If it is indeed proposed that this take the place of the fuel tax you are now not receiving it is effectively a tax on high fuel efficiency. Clearly this incentivises the New Zealand public to use natural resources which we really should be saving for the next generation, and to further damage the environment - something, again, which we ought to be saving for the next generation.

So, really, for a hundred and fifty grand a year I was hoping that at least one of you dumb cunts would engage your brain.

Yours,
Dave"

[Swoop]

maybe we should protest like the french!

How do you mean? Sit down and drink vast quantities of red wine?

I believe that all we need is a bricklayer and a very long firehose...

When the money grabbing morons (let's call them "politicians and public servants" for now) are all inside the beehive, the bricklayer simply bricks up all the doors.
Then the firehose is put into the top window and water allowed to fill the place up...
It would make fabulous TV viewing!


EDIT: It is also environmentally friendly since no nasty chemicals are required to rid the country of this vermin!!!

[Toaster]

Then the firehose is put into the top window and water allowed to fill the place up...
It would make fabulous TV viewing!

Kinda like a big fish bowl!! Like it!!

[Brian d marge]

Our problem is we just bend over and take it each and every time... maybe we should protest like the french!

Whoa ,,thats the first time I have heard that coming from a NZ er ..Usually you lot dont grumble about these things !
Usually its , along the lines of , if you dont like it . or Winging ,,insert race

Well the good news is , Nz is up against it with the ole carbons and lets face it we would save heaps if cars were banned ( every vehicle cept my enfield of course !) and if it is more difficult to actually use the thing , then user pays ..so what the prob ,,,,always the bus ,or better still pushbike ,,,

No matter WHO you voted for , the powers( the ones actually running the show ) that be would push through the agenda Knowing that the largest voting block isnt worried about driving and even IF they did manage to convince federated farmers that this Would cause hardship on the farm(s) THEN MAYBE,,,,, something would get said/done , but I doubt it ,,,I am still waiiting for fart tax to pop up under a different name ,,,

Stephen

( that dog chipping gone though yet???)

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Well the good news is , Nz is up against it with the ole carbons

The Kyoto protocol is a fucked up idea... we have met our requirements already... and we have extra credits so we can sell them to china... the government gets the money not the company that made those credits available... hmmmm

Tell me how does that clean up chinas rivers and cities polution and air... how does that change the way china and many other countries thinks about polution and chopping down the forests... no problem we just buy more credits for some other country... how fucked up is that...

No wonder the US and Oz said no they have their head screwed on...

[Brian d marge]

Was reading in Stuff .co.nz about nz plans for the future regarding energy , 2012 is the transition point, made interesting reading.

Carbon trading I can understand, but I agree shouldnt the BUSINESS get the credits ,,otherwise there is no point in doing it in the first place,,

No one could be that friggen stupid , UNLESS there was a bigger picture ,

I could even accept a polly turning round in a few years time and admitting , we were screwing you ...we made a lot of money sorry ...

I cant accept that they REALLY are this dumb ,,and I have been in the behive and they are porterhouse blue ....but,,

Stephen