Attacking Transit on another front:

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th January 2008, 07:42

Originally Posted by WelshWizard

After seeing the video and the pictures, makes you wonder what sort of people decide to put these types of barriers up , when then know what they do the still insist on defnding these barriers.

BTW Welcome to KB Simon, how long before you leave Holland and return to the USA,

They don't think about realities, it's all about numbers on a piece of paper. Put that picture in front of them and their paymasters and watch them squirm.
Thanks Ratbag, and welcome to the agitator arm of KB.

**RatBags** · 28th January 2008, 10:26

BE VERY AWARE THESE LINKS MAY DISTURB, MOST WOULD BE TRIPLE X RATED
they show what cops have to face when dealing with the type of accident that WRBs will cause, a must for all LTNZ planner to watch

Affect of being cut in half
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/12..._South_America

A bit more blood and guts from roadside furnisherings
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11...Nasty_Accident

If you watch carefully you will see the posts sticking out the top of a concrete road barrier, just an example of faulty engineering design
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/11..._Video_of_2007

**yungatart** · 28th January 2008, 10:58

No person should ever have to die like that.
No person should ever have to witness that.

Are our lives so valueless, that this is what they give us as "safety barriers"?

In one of my speeches, I talked about how WRB's create a killing zone for motoryclists.
The aftermath looks less like a killing zone and more like injuries sustained in a war zone.
They have to go!

**sunhuntin** · 28th January 2008, 11:06

Originally Posted by yungatart

No person should ever have to die like that.
No person should ever have to witness that.

Are our lives so valueless, that this is what they give us as "safety barriers"?

In one of my speeches, I talked about how WRB's create a killing zone for motoryclists.
The aftermath looks less like a killing zone and more like injuries sustained in a war zone.
They have to go!

no way, no fucking way should ANYONE have to die like that. you are right... it is like a warzone. the most disgusting thing ive seen in a long while...

id like to see nikoli defend his precious barriers against that

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th January 2008, 12:08

Although there is nothing in those clips to suggest that barriers were involved, it is exactly the sort of damage they will do.
Transit should hang their heads in shame.

**RatBags** · 28th January 2008, 19:41

Originally Posted by yungatart

No person should ever have to die like that.
No person should ever have to witness that.

Are our lives so valueless, that this is what they give us as "safety barriers"?

In one of my speeches, I talked about how WRB's create a killing zone for motoryclists.
The aftermath looks less like a killing zone and more like injuries sustained in a war zone.
They have to go!

It's for that very reason we banned these things in Nederland, these WRB's just were to dangerous to keep as they ignored the safety of one group of road user, and still put at risk Car Drivers

( in Germany a sports car front end got under the WRB wires and was then guided up the hood of the car, it then decapitated both Driver and passenger, this occurred a few years ago, if I can find a link to the report I will post it)

As for Horse and Trailer units, if its a Mac or a Ken, unless they hit at the correct angle, they will just role over the top of them like the barrier was not there,

if it hit at the correct angle of effectiveness then the WRBs will normally deflect about 3 1/2 to 4 yards before swinging the Horse and Trailer unit back into the traffic of the lane he was traveling or worse into more than one lane with the trailer unit jack knifed.

opps
sorry showing my USA heritage, even though I have been in the Nederland's for over 5 years now, still think in feet , inches and yards.
a yard for those who don't know is about 3" short of a meter.

**sunhuntin** · 28th January 2008, 19:56

a truck being forced into a jack knife is not something i had thought of... damn.

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th January 2008, 20:07

Originally Posted by RatBags

( in Germany a sports car front end got under the WRB wires and was then guided up the hood of the car, it then decapitated both Driver and passenger, this occurred a few years ago, if I can find a link to the report I will post it)

Please do. It sounds the same as the Falcon (pic can be found at www.cheesecutter.co.nz )

**RatBags** · 28th January 2008, 20:10

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Please do. It sounds the same as the Falcon (pic can be found at www.cheesecutter.co.nz )

No quite, the hood hardly hard more than a few scratches, front screen was gone and the tops of the seats, (it was an open top)

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th January 2008, 20:14

Same effect on the occupants tho

**RatBags** · 28th January 2008, 20:29

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Same effect on the occupants tho

From what I can remember you could not have done a cleaner job with a Katana

**RatBags** · 28th January 2008, 20:30

BTW I think the doco speed was about 90kph

**WelshWizard** · 28th January 2008, 21:22

Just came across this site
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/080126/3/3qpy.html
list most dangerous roads in New Zealand anybody know the locations listed and what the roads are like

**WelshWizard** · 28th January 2008, 21:28

I have been looking through this site for any cheesecutter related deaths, but it so full of death reports it will take ages , so if any one else wants to try also here it is.
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http://www.infopig.com/keywords/Crash.html
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