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    BIKEOI - Hawkes Bay

    Okay boys and girls.
    I have put my hand up to be Regional coordinator of our protest action against ACC levies.

    1. I need some help...PM me if you are willing
    2. Suggestions...what do we do to make the BIGGEST impact possible in HB
    3. Who has contacts for other bike clubs in the area...
    4. Dates?? Midweek? Who wil/can take time off work? We need to target our MP's, which is best done during the week, but Napier and Hastings are very busy on a Saturday...could be a good time to get Joe Public on side.
    5 We can schedule more than one event...the more we get out there the more effective our voice is.

    Lets all get behind this and make it work

    Please keep this thread on topic
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    Yeah, come on people. Are you willing to rollover and spread 'em? This is a situation that is worse for us than cheesecutters are (you know what I mean).
    Write to the paper. I have...
    Motorcyclists are not prepared to accept being singled out for huge ACC levy increases through their registrations. No other motorist should either. The pool of funds is everyone’s resource, supposedly without favour. If this goes through, all you people with a (eg ) turbo fitted car will be next. Or a V8. Or any GT model. Or white Corollas. Because all of them feature highly in accident stats.
    Statistics abound on motorcycle figures, some true, some absolute lies. Some are misquoted: - 16x more likely to have an accident? No, that’s 16x more likely to be injured. Car drivers are subsidising motorcyclists by $77 each? No, the figure is actually $16.61. And most licence-holding bikers also own cars, so we pay twice.
    Motorcycle injury claims cost $62M in 2008? Sort of. It includes all claims still being paid from previous years. But the fully-funded model says that all claims prior to 2008 have been covered by levies collected prior to 2008! The 1336 new claims in 2008 come out at $26M. Only $12M received from levies? Registration stats suggest this should read $19M. So, ACC’s claimed shortfall of $50M is actually closer to $7M. ACC are trying to con everyone!!
    I have discovered that any injury accident involving a motorised vehicle is covered by the motor pool fund. Here is where it gets interesting: - the average cost of injury treatment (initial and ongoing) is $24,434 car, $19,704 motorcycle, $21,967 pedestrian, $22,174 cyclist. Yes, cyclists and pedestrians are covered, as it should be under a No-Fault system, but where’s their contribution if User Pays is what we are to have? They must pay too. Or stay off the road environs.
    Speaking of user pays, I have operated motorcycles and cars for 36 years. I have had one accident in that time and it was on a bike (my fault). Injury was minimal and, being in 1974, it was just before ACC came in. I learned a valuable lesson in paying attention! Unlike 42% of motorcycle/car crashes, I have been lucky, or skillful enough, to avoid car drivers’ lack of attention too. So I have a long history of not crashing and being hurt, where’s my No Claims Bonus? Incidentally, I have owned 7 of the worst size (ACC says) of motorcycle and most of my riding mates are much the same. Proof that the rider, not the bike, is the problem, statistics-wise.
    Put in submissions on ACC's website, if you can get on it...I've had no success yet.
    Grumpy is looking at whether he can do flyers. If he can, we'll need to work out what to say.
    We need to fight this all the way.
    HB's voice and presence needs to be loud.
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    When and where ? I will round up as many bikes as possible. I have been talking to lots of riders that dont know anything about KB and what protest action is being planed. If we get some flyers out i can get them in all the wholesalers for engineering , electrical and automotive parts suppliers.
    We cant let this happen and get screwed by ACC

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    I can pull 5 non kbers from work and flatmates....

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    all the support we can give

    I will be there, and will pass the word around with others that dont know

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    Thanks guys. Passing the word around is good. I am trying to sort some flyers to be printed, will need help distributing them to bike shops, sticking on bikes, scooters too.
    Are there many at EIT McDuck?
    Any suggestions for a date?
    Who can do midweek?
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    I'm in. Will try my best to attend anything that happens but I'm pretty busy at the moment with exams.

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    Thanks young fella.
    Still in the planning stages..if you have any ideas, put them in here...and watch this space!
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    Mstrs just had a chat to the Ulysses guy...they will prolly join us in protest.
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    I have given this a lot of thought. I will write a submission to this but it might not be how other feel.
    If we, motorbike riders, are costing the sort of money it is claimed we are costing then shut up and pay up. However, and there is a big however, I note all farm bike accidents are put down as Motorbike accidents. I saw a lot of hurt people at the track on Saturday. Motorbike accidents? Or motorsport accidents? Motorsport in my mind. How many car vers bike accidents are actually bike accidents? If it is not established in court who was in the wrong it should be allocated to both parties. If it is the bikes fault it should allocated to the bike if the cars fault it should go to the car Etc etc. I will write the submission in time. Yes I am saying that people who race need to pay more. Sorry but after the weekend at the track I realised just how much motorsport is costing. I think it was 4 broken pelvises, one heavily bruised and a smashed AC joint. I don’t know what else but that’s enough for one day. So maybe the cost to enter for the day should carry a $100.00 fee for ACC not $10.00.

    I also think we should have the choice to go private insurance if we want. I get a good rebate from my insurance company for no claim and get nothing from ACC. When we had private insurance, a few years ago, for the business we took on the liability for the first grand and our accident insurance drop massively. So let us choose. Anyway this has probably been thrashed to death on here but I can’t be bothered to read it all. So that’s how I see it. If I can help with stuff let me know.


    But lets get out there and make an impact. Not just a nice ride to wellington on a Saturday and get fobbed off but a fucken big slow ride in peak traffic. This must not just be a KB thing.

    Well done to J & J for starting action.

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    I'm in to help out, that goes without saying. I've been keeping an eye on the threads that have been busy on the site and there has been some really good points made. Any date been set yet for a sit down. It's a hell of a lot easier to discuss this stuff in face to face. Takes me an age to type out what I'm thinking ..... and then I've forgotten what I started out say by the time I get to the end. For example, I started typing this last night.

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    No way I can make it during the week. But I do agree with Steve. Too many accidents of all sorts involving bikes are put against motorcycle accidents, thus our levy increases and has this impact they want to project to us through ACC.

    I too have medical insurance, and thank God I do, ACC let me down a few years ago for a home accident. But I do think it should be a user pays system.

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    Coordinated Approach ?

    Perhaps a nationally coordinated protest would be better if a date is set, not a week day. Would make better media coverage which is what we need. I take it there is no date set for anything yet or am I wrong. Whos going to do that? Lets see what comes out of the Bronz meeting perhaps. Sooner the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungatart View Post

    Are there many at EIT McDuck?
    There were a few doz last year, should be a good for a few flyers...

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    John and I are coordinating BIKEOI HB..which will happen just before the National BIKEOI.
    We need to make noise locally as welll as nationally.
    It looks likely the national one will be on Nov 15 AND 17 in Welly. The Sunday to allow maximum numbers, the following tuesday at parliament, for those who can stay over/live near or are local. This will be confirmed in the next day or two.
    You can choose to do either day or both. There are offers of accomodation for those from out of town. Will post the link...T shirts are available, these are designed to wear OVER your leathers, there is a thread about that too.
    Please talk to your non kb freinds about this..it is really important that we get big numbers.
    Things you can do now
    1 Talk to other riders about it...scooter riders too
    2 Make a submission...please don't copy and paste, as all similar submissions are counted as one. Submissions close on Nov 10
    3 Write to MP's
    4 Write a letter to the Editor
    5 Subscribe to this thread, so you can see what is going on

    Thanks all...watch this space
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