Why you should never talk to the police

**SixPackBack** · 27th October 2009, 08:14

Two informative vids. The first from a defense attorney, who outlines the 'ten top reasons' we should never talk to the police. The second vid is from a detective who agrees totally with the attorneys viewpoint.

The vids are North American based but remain relevant to NZ law. Yeah they are long but the information and education are well worth the time.

http://lawiscool.com/2009/04/16/why-...to-the-police/

**discotex** · 27th October 2009, 11:00

I haven't watched it yet but the main reason I suggest you don't talk to police is that you're wasting your breath.

I got accused of riding 72km/h in a 50 zone when I was actually going 65km/h. No amount of explaining to the officer made any difference.

Then he's written me a ticket for 80km/h in a 50 zone.

Can't decide if I should fight it in court or just write in and admit to the level of speeding I was actually doing and hope for the best... (happy to take the fine and points for the fair cop but not the unfair one)

**Zuki lover** · 27th October 2009, 13:26

Good luck with what you do - seems like you are screwed either way

**StoneY** · 27th October 2009, 13:34

Originally Posted by discotex

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Can't decide if I should fight it in court or just write in and admit to the level of speeding I was actually doing and hope for the best... (happy to take the fine and points for the fair cop but not the unfair one)

i did that.

Senior cop called me back to ask if I had any witnesses, as untill you PAY the fine its an alledged offence and therefore defendable, and they were happy to let me defend myself as long as I could provide colabaratorial evidence

Ummm, motorcycle...witnesses...hang on...ummm no, none sorry

Paid the fine.

**miggzy** · 27th October 2009, 13:36

I am getting a gps tracker on my Scooter but from what i can tell it gives you a record of your speed at all times. I am getting the gps for another reason but i'd luv the chance to use it in your situation. Be nice to get 1up on the cops just once!!

**CookMySock** · 27th October 2009, 13:46

Originally Posted by StoneY

they were happy to let me defend myself as long as I could provide colabaratorial evidence.

It is not their decision whether you can defend yourself or otherwise. It is a right gauranteed to you in law.

Unless HE has some evidence, you can simply deny it, and he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

If he has verified your speed with some speed measuring equipment, he is nearly in a worse position, as there are many many legal gotchas with using the hawk, or rather, getting a successful prosecution with one.

Don't pay it. Deny the allegation. Don't be drawn into an argument. Force them to present evidence if they have any, or else tell them to get bent.

If the JP starts to side with the officer, indignantly inform him that his decision is baseless, and you will have a district court overturn it.. AKA egg, face.

When you are right, stand up for yourself. Know your rights and don't be a wimp. Conduct your own life by your own rules, not some cops rules.

Steve

**Swoop** · 27th October 2009, 14:01

That is a very good lecture and a good presentation from both sides of the fence.

The "boxing ring" analogy should be remembered by everyone.

**discotex** · 27th October 2009, 15:23

Originally Posted by StoneY

Ummm, motorcycle...witnesses...hang on...ummm no, none sorry

Well ironically my witness is another police officer.

The full story....... Bear in mind this was like 11pm at night on a weekday. The only other vehicles on the road were the police involved.

There I was pootling along and a cop A (unmarked) pulls out behind me and starts to pull me over - fair cop.. I was a little over the speed limit after not slowing instantly down from an 80k zone.

As I'm slowing down I go past cop B as well. I pull over into a side street just past cop B (highway patrol)..

I get off the bike and start talking to cop A. Cop B turns on the disco lights and comes over as well. He then tells the younger cop A "I've got this one mate" so cop A leaves.

Cop B then gives me the reaming for as speed I wasn't doing.

My guess is cop B had the rear radar on Cop A coming up behind me - he would obviously have been going faster. Or somehow he's got me way up the road in the 80km/h area.

So all I really need to know is the speed Cop A was originally alleging I was doing as I slowed down from there. Cop A's reading should be higher than cop B by heaps if I'm in the right.

I'm happy to pay and take the points for what I was doing but this is arse. I'm tempted to take it through the courts and fight the whole thing but would rather just settle for a fair deal. My concern is that if I write in and explain the above they'll just consider that an admission I was speeding and therefore the officer was right.

Might have to post this as it's own thread in the law section for some advice.

**scumdog** · 27th October 2009, 17:23

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

Two informative vids. The first from a defense attorney, who outlines the 'ten top reasons' we should never talk to the police. The second vid is from a detective who agrees totally with the attorneys viewpoint.

The vids are North American based but remain relevant to NZ law. Yeah they are long but the information and education are well worth the time.

http://lawiscool.com/2009/04/16/why-...to-the-police/

Dang right - I always operate like that, why waste time talking to a slack-jawed mouth-breathing lack-witted drongo? - I don't!

(I wouldn't even be near him if he hadn't screwed-up in some way)

Let him go to Court and tell the judge himself why he shouldn't be there....hell, if I DID speak to the above type and write what he said down I would only be presenting to the judge what the slack-jawed mouth-breathing lack-witted drongo could tell the judge himself - why waste MY time eh?

**Littleman** · 27th October 2009, 19:49

I'm sure the Kahui babies would think its all just dandy.

**SixPackBack** · 28th October 2009, 12:49

Originally Posted by Littleman

I'm sure the Kahui babies would think its all just dandy.

What do you suggest?........The videos show both a well respected copper and well respected lawyer [contradiction in terms LOL] both agreeing that individuals should exercise their right to silence. Did you watch the vids?

Personally I can say that being open has had mixed effect. Once a copper txted me back and helped me out a great deal; another occasion I was repeatedly lied to, led through an expensive fruitless chase in court and treated with open contempt.

**TOTO** · 28th October 2009, 13:08

those are great vids to watch. Thanks

**peasea** · 28th October 2009, 14:34

Originally Posted by SixPackBack

What do you suggest?........The videos show both a well respected copper and well respected lawyer [contradiction in terms LOL] both agreeing that individuals should exercise their right to silence. Did you watch the vids?

Personally I can say that being open has had mixed effect. Once a copper txted me back and helped me out a great deal; another occasion I was repeatedly lied to, led through an expensive fruitless chase in court and treated with open contempt.

Sounds like the norm to me.........