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    Cemetary circuit 2007: Farce

    It's almost 24 hours on and I still can't see how this can be allowed to happen in the "fair" sport of New Zealand Road racing so I'll throw a scenario at the masses and see if someone can't explain it for me. I'll try and lay it out as factually and unemotionly as I can for ya.

    At sign on and scrutineering, every rider got a little event pack with a program, a race schedule and rule pamphlet, a heap of advertising crap and a bag of rashuns. The riders schedule and rule sheet states under Practice, it is just that, practice. Please take this session to learn the track and guage the conditions, these lap times will NOT count towards you qualifying time.

    During the riders briefing, we were all told the same and told, "If you choose not to ride in qualifying, you will start from the back of the grid, no exceptions"

    Qualifying rolls around and it's soaking wet. By no means dangerous but a little slippery. All the privateer bikes were out there giving it their best shot, sliding around and riding hard to be as far up the grid as possible. Qualifying times come back and we'd all done well. Jason Hulme had a blinder, as did Carey Briar qualifying 3rd. I finished 7th right between David Lees and Neil Martin on the second row. Jay did well as did Glen Wiliams. We were all pretty happy as if you start from the front two rows here, you've got a good shot not getting trapped in the first turn off the start.

    We all arrive at the dummy grid to take our positions, I'm told you're 12th on the grid. I said, "No, you're thinking of Stroud, I'm 7th and far better looking" Lady says, "No, we've amalgamated your first practice and qualifying times. You're 12th."

    The three Bernard team Yamahas, NONE OF WHOM RODE IN QUALIFYING are accross the center of the second row ahead of us and a black K6 750 with a number one plate has travelled from the third row to the front row, bumping most of the privateers back at least one row, in some cases two.

    After race one a group of us descended on race HQ to make our opinions heard. After lengthy discussions we were told that "We've made our descision, that's how it stands, we're not changing it and what could we do anyway" It was suggested that the riders who had gained so much through the impromtu rule change perhaps loose the results to that race or start from the back of the following race but we were told "No, those riders earned those positions, we can't take it away from them now. It's no use complaining as our descision is final"

    We asked who the riders rep was as I'm sure it wasn't mentioned in the briefing and no one could tell us. An hour later it was announced over the PA that it was Darryl Dowman.

    I'm wondering how coincidental it is that the major event sponsor is also the main sponsor for the team that the rules were changed to suit?

    Alot of rider and sponsors threw a heap of money into getting to this event, put up with the changing weather, rode and made descisions is in a calculating manner and their efforts were for naught. They also miss out on a good chunk of prize money that was potentially theirs.

    So, please discuss, tell me I'm wrong to feel cheated and give me a good reason.

    On another note, a huge congratulations to Craig Shirriffs. There was a bit of talk he'd find it tough on the thousand 'round there and once again, he stamped his dominance on the field. The man's a legend. Hat's off to you buddy.
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    I'd get ya team management onto it mate.. let you focus on what you do best and let them go kick ass for ya. Money has and will always talk bro.

    best you can do is raise it through the right procedures. If you really wanna give it some publicity .. write into the magazines etc

    I've just had a look at the times and you had a good day by the looks of it Jimmie.. Congratulations mate!


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    ps.. where did you fall of, was it a good 'en, who you take out and what damage was there???

    Merry Christmas mate


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    Quote Originally Posted by boomer View Post
    ps.. where did you fall of, was it a good 'en, who you take out and what damage was there???

    Merry Christmas mate
    Didn't. Yup. No one and none.

    Same to you buddy.
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    sounds a bit like you lot got ripped of if this happens at any other meet you could always go on strike in the second race line up across the track .to many big teams get the easy road hell why even have meets if the winners are desided before hand sponsers with the deepest pocket wins
    RIDE FOR THE CONDITIONS WHEN THEY CHANGE INCREASE YOUR SPEED

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    Fark,you follow the rules as written then get shat on,shades of americas cup,what would happen if those whom were asked to change grid positions said no not moving.
    Hello officer put it on my tab

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    If I had of been more onto it, I woulda tried to organise a riders "strike" on the grid. Have 15 riders in the middle of the grid shut their bikes down and raise their hands before the start, that would have fucked their precious tv coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot slow View Post
    Fark,you follow the rules as written then get shat on,shades of americas cup,what would happen if those whom were asked to change grid positions said no not moving.
    Did Sherriffs go anywhere near your catering Tent Jimmy..?? You could always complain of food poisoning?!


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    That is an absolute crock of shit!

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    One set of rules for all. Posted 2 weeks before the vent - no exceptions. By moving the goal posts all that happens is that the NZ motorcycle racing organisation looks unprofessional. Wanganui will be around longer than teams from the States or other care to be. Yes, money and sponsors are very important for the event but if they want the competition that they claim then it's better for their riders to start from where they have legitimately qualified. I'm sure the riders would far rather be judged on their merit than be given their standing, otherwise what's the point of them racing?

    Ya did good Jimmy.
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    Assuming that all the facts are on the table it sounds like to me you (and the others) got ripped WT.

    When rules are set BUT dont apply for some then what kind of precedent is being set here? It would be like Casey Stoner not going out during qualifying because its raining for a MotoGP but then handed pole position because he is the current number one!! Imagine what that would do for the sport?

    Its great to have sponsors and without them most events would not take place but to be given preferential treatment because your team is backed by the main sponsor is just wrong.

    I agree with Boomer, leave it with your manager or riders representative to argue the case and I do believe that this should be taken to the next level with the NZ motorcycle racing authorities. Incidents like this should never happen.

    Good luck WT and ride hard mate.

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    I've read your post a couple of times Jimmie and I cant for the life of think of a justifiable reason to support the decision they made.
    The Sponser thing?....Used to that in my sport. It sucks but money talks. Hard work walks...

    Agree with Boomer...put your headspace back into riding. Show them on the track. You're good for it.

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    Thumbs down Nothings changed

    Use to be the same thing in the car events when I was younger - those with sponsors and money got all the advantages.

    I remember a Ginger Maloy, who was looked on as a god on a motorbike when he turned up at any event - things were changed to his advantage all the time, the rest of us could go take a hike.

    It's never the best rider/driver who makes it to the top, rather the best rider with the most support that get's there.



    Seems things haven't changed at all
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    Yep, sucks big time, but not surprising at all. Just the same old by the normal MNZ officials. Ask Jay about his "jump" start at puke last year or numerous other incidents at last year's nationals series. There is no use of precedence, its all just spur of the moment decisions that are normally biased and don't take into account the rules.

    You need to take this further. It is total BS!! But for some reason doesn't really surprise me at all. Just another example of Wanganui going to the dogs.

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    For the life of me I just can't figure out why motorcycle racing is not better supported by the public....

    Sounds pretty rough WT - expected though and I'll bet you will suffer for making it public as well...

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