Most deadly NZ roads revealed in 5-year survey

**fliplid** · 27th January 2008, 10:14

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/metro/stor...ectid=10489079
Browsing through the "news", came across this snippet...

I can understand how they could arrive at such an apparently wide range of differing types of roads in the collective risk section, but how did they work out the personal risk road list? Surely they would have needed an element of subjectivity in the latter list? Lost me...

Lies, lies and damned statistics!

**Headbanger** · 27th January 2008, 10:18

Originally Posted by fliplid

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/metro/stor...ectid=10489079
Browsing through the "news", came across this snippet...

I can understand how they could arrive at such an apparently wide range of differing types of roads in the collective risk section, but how did they work out the personal risk road list? !

Reported accidents, severity of injuries, deaths.

Just a guess.

**mowgli** · 27th January 2008, 11:48

Nah. It's simpler than that.

Originally Posted by NZ Herald Article

KiwiRAP spokesman Mike Noon said collective risk maps were based on the total number of crashes on a road, while personal risk maps are based on the likelihood of an individual being involved in a crash on that road.

On a stretch of road that scored the same number of crashes (same collective risk) the one with the least amount of traffic will have the higher personal risk. For example there are heaps of crashes on motorways (high collective risk) but because the volume of traffic is so large your chances of being involved in a crash are quite small (low personal risk).

**yungatart** · 27th January 2008, 12:29

It's interesting that the Maramarua Rd doesn't even get a mention. I thought that was the "Killer Highway"?

**fliplid** · 27th January 2008, 16:53

Was a bit suprised by the Drury-Pukekohe stretch actually... Poss due to the multi fatality factor when them kids "flew" off the road a couple of years ago, oh, and the stoopid overtaking stretch near NZ Hothouse!

**madandy** · 27th January 2008, 17:22

So the Pollies have released new stats on the most dangerous roads in NZ based on numbers of fatalaties per km of road.
SH2 between Napier & Hastings is the meanset stretch of blacktop...
Among all the new stats comes the best finding...[only] 60 deaths per year could be saved if Kiwi's drove better!

**cooneyr** · 27th January 2008, 20:18

Originally Posted by yungatart

It's interesting that the Maramarua Rd doesn't even get a mention. I thought that was the "Killer Highway"?

Seen this sort of thing plenty of times. The roads that the public think are dangerous are often treated with a higher degree of respect hence dont actually have than many crashes. The roads that drivers dont respect are more often ones that have a higher crash rate.

Cheers R

**Swoop** · 27th January 2008, 20:49

Typical. Blame the "killer roads" instead of the fuc*ing hopeless kiwi drivers.

Also, why is this "group" called KiwiRAP?
Just shorten it to "KRAP" and be done with it.

Do they conduct studies in Canada, Cambodia, Columbia, etc?

**Weaver** · 27th January 2008, 21:03

Upper Hutt represent *does Upper Hutt gang signs (stacking)* In the top ten collective

**Grub** · 27th January 2008, 21:04

Jeez ... what is it with the Hawkes Bay??? The road into Napier from the south is #1 and the road north out of Napier is #3!!!

Ummm ... MSTRS? ... Yungatart? ... Zukin?

**the mouse** · 27th January 2008, 21:27

The ride to Bluff will never be the same, reeediculous. There have been some fatalities, but at no fault of the road, all driver error.

**Conquiztador** · 27th January 2008, 23:19

Originally Posted by Grub

Jeez ... what is it with the Hawkes Bay??? The road into Napier from the south is #1 and the road north out of Napier is #3!!!

Ummm ... MSTRS? ... Yungatart? ... Zukin?

That #1 killer road is the expressway between Napier and Hastings. The problem has been the intersection at Meeanee. This one has now been fixed with a muti million dollar bridge and a weird 8 shaped thingy under. So that should cut the deaths down drastically on that road.

The one north from Napier has a problem with a junction just before you get to the airport. It is next in line for a multi million dollar fixup. (As soon as they have completed their study and got to the conclusion that yes, the intersection is poorly designed and some more bastards have died...)

But what always has bevildered me is that some useless road design engineer who designed that death trap can just say: "Ooops, got it wrong, lets spend a few millions more and fix it." And he is not held accountable for either the deaths OR the waste of tax payers money!!

**MisterD** · 28th January 2008, 06:50

Sheesh, Rapaura Rd in Blenheim...but I can understand that, loads of wineries with tourists being slow/lost/ a bit pissed coupled with high speed Picton to Nelson traffic - logging trucks etc.

I rode my treadly along there once - never again.

**Grahameeboy** · 28th January 2008, 07:07

So guess the Police on SH16 is nothing to do with safety then as SH16 does not get a mention.

**cooneyr** · 28th January 2008, 07:34

Originally Posted by Conquiztador

But what always has bevildered me is that some useless road design engineer who designed that death trap can just say: "Ooops, got it wrong, lets spend a few millions more and fix it." And he is not held accountable for either the deaths OR the waste of tax payers money!!

I'll stick my neck on the block - if you hold the engineers accountable then no one would do the job. There is not enough engineers as it is. To me the real problem is the ethos of cheap as possible that has perpetrated the industry (from the top). If there was not an ethos of having to minimise the costs to get the Benefit Cost Ratio up so that the project is near the top of the list so it can get funding (bit more complicated that this now but didnt use to be) then projects would be better designed.

Benefit Cost Ratios is the reason behind the WRB's too.

Hit a nerve - never

Also as mentioned above don't mis under stand collective safety and personal safety.

Cheers R