Polls/ media/election/Government? Will it be what "YOU" wanted!

**oldrider** · 21st July 2008, 11:34

Here we go again, the media have begun the massaging of the polls!

Effectively closing the (so called) gap between National and Labour.

The net result will be a two horse race between Tweedledum and Tweedledee with the usual scramble for minor party support to form a government!

New Zealand will get the government the media orchestrates and it will be called democratic.......yea right!

Tui government more like it!

Wake up New Zealand.

Vote for the government that "YOU" want, the only true poll is the election!

Good luck,John.

**ManDownUnder** · 21st July 2008, 11:42

Originally Posted by oldrider

Vote for the government that "YOU" want, the only true poll is the election!

Good luck,John.

I will but I have woefully low expectations on my fellow voters to make an informed choice.

It's so much easier to be totally passive and wait for the election messages (and polls) to come to us, not bother thinking then engage "herd-drive" and follow the masses we like the look of to the polling booth.

I'll be celebrating if Winnie the pooh gets the boot from Parliament though. He's a brilliant polly, just so totally self serving, and transparant with it.

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st July 2008, 11:43

What I find classic is how Labour goes "oh polls mean nothing" or "we don't listen to the polls" when the polls say Labour is doing poorly.

But as soon as the 'gap' closes they go "oh we're pleased the gap has closed"

-Indy

**Blackbird** · 21st July 2008, 12:05

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

I will but I have woefully low expectations on my fellow voters to make an informed choice.

It's so much easier to be totally passive and wait for the election messages (and polls) to come to us, not bother thinking then engage "herd-drive" and follow the masses we like the look of to the polling booth.

I'll be celebrating if Winnie the pooh gets the boot from Parliament though. He's a brilliant polly, just so totally self serving, and transparant with it.

I have woefully low expectations of any party to make informed, long-term decisions which will be to the benefit of the country rather than short term popularity decisions. The primary strategy is to do mybest to make sure our family are well looked after by my own efforts, irrespective of which party is in power.

It may be contentious, but I'm really disappointed that National is offering "me too" tax cuts. My vote would have immediately gone to any party who had pledged an equivalent amount into education and health. Nonetheless, I know how I'm voting without the need for media drivel.

I'm with you re: Winnie

. Slippery bastard. I'd be REALLY pissed off with National if they offer him a significant position if/when they come to power and make any coalition deals.

**Jez** · 21st July 2008, 12:18

National = Labour

they are effectively the same damned deal ... Labour will lose out this election solely due to the external factors effecting New Zealanders.

Petrol is up - not our fault, but Labour in power when it happened so NZ public hold them responsible
Commodity Prices up - same as above
Credit crisis - as above

Labour have done many many good things over the past terms they have had, could you try and imagine where low income families would be now if it werent for the working for families scheme as an example.

but because of all that has happened that is totally out of their control the New Zealand public will initiate a change in office ... unfortunately National will do exactly the same thing and there will be only a change in name, not in policy.

The problem i find myself in is that i want my vote to count ... but i dont feel any of the parties are deserving of that vote ...

**Flatcap** · 21st July 2008, 12:47

Originally Posted by Jez

Labour have done many many good things over the past terms they have had, could you try and imagine where low income families would be now if it werent for the working for families scheme as an example.

Well, I think it's time for middle income families to finally have a break. Labour will never deliver that

**Hinny** · 21st July 2008, 13:41

The subtle and not so subtle indoctrination has begun.
Bond and Bond's latest ad proclaims 'The economy's stuffed'.
This in spite of our latest termas of trade being the best for 34 years. The gap between low and high incomes marrowing and the Dominion Post trumpeting 'The Death of Poverty' due they say to the 'Working for Families' scheme.
Will National announce any policy this time around? They had 2 on their web site before the last election. By not announcing any policy they have no promises to live up to.
Hints of privatisation of ACC is scary. Can't they look at the US health system and see how hopeless it is?
Would they send troops of to Iraq if given the opportunity?
They were certainly supportive of that idea in the past and did in fact send troops off to engage in a covert war of terror. I would be less than pleased if it was any of my children they were sending off to kill innocent men, women and children in an unsnctioned, illegal war.
The Nats have always been ready to condemn the 'Trendy Intellectuals'. Given the calibre of their candidates I would suggest there wouldn't be too much chance of condemning any of their own.

**Flatcap** · 21st July 2008, 13:58

Originally Posted by Hinny

By not announcing any policy they have no promises to live up to.

....because politicians always keep their promises.....

**Hinny** · 21st July 2008, 17:20

The enviable thing about Labour and their 'Pledge Cards' was that, in spite of having to work in a less than ideal environment due to MMP, they were able to fulfill all of their pledges.
I think it would be nice to see 'Pledge Cards' from every party.

**Mom** · 21st July 2008, 17:25

Originally Posted by Blackbird

I'm with you re: Winnie

. Slippery bastard. I'd be REALLY pissed off with National if they offer him a significant position if/when they come to power and make any coalition deals.

+1 though I note that they are taking the hammer Helen Clarke route about what Winnie has done without actually criticising him just in case they need him to form a government! Good luck to us all!

**Sanx** · 21st July 2008, 18:39

Originally Posted by Hinny

The enviable thing about Labour and their 'Pledge Cards' was that, in spite of having to work in a less than ideal environment due to MMP, they were able to fulfill all of their pledges.

Oh that's funny. Comedy award material.

**alanzs** · 21st July 2008, 18:57

Politics corrupts those it touches. Do politicians ever vote against their own self interest? NOT! Let's never forget, that"Money makes the world go round..."

**Robert Taylor** · 21st July 2008, 19:37

Originally Posted by Jez

National = Labour

they are effectively the same damned deal ... Labour will lose out this election solely due to the external factors effecting New Zealanders.

Petrol is up - not our fault, but Labour in power when it happened so NZ public hold them responsible
Commodity Prices up - same as above
Credit crisis - as above

Labour have done many many good things over the past terms they have had, could you try and imagine where low income families would be now if it werent for the working for families scheme as an example.

but because of all that has happened that is totally out of their control the New Zealand public will initiate a change in office ... unfortunately National will do exactly the same thing and there will be only a change in name, not in policy.

The problem i find myself in is that i want my vote to count ... but i dont feel any of the parties are deserving of that vote ...

I agree with you only insofar as Nationals policies are too close to what Labour is. The reason for that is simple, the slippery Labour bastards have over the decades carefully nurtured a ''world owes me a living'' mentality'' and National have to a degree had to follow suit because of the brainwashing that has been carefully orchestrated. They have systematically infiltrated the teaching proffessions, the media, politicised the civil service and grown it into an overfed juggernaut, and god knows what else.
Yes, fuel prices have skyrocketed and impacted on everything. But the Government is laughing because the total tax take out of fuel has also increased enormously. If they are indeed a ''government for the working man'' then I seriously dont believe it and in practice they never have been. Quite simply they could have capped their total take out of fuel and lessened the impact. Road use charges for truckies, well what a pack of insensitive money grabbing bastards, say no more.
The BIG difference with National is that they are far more blessed with self made practical people with a better conception of the real world. I hope they win with a thumping majority and are therefore free to dismantle the excesses of the most corrupt self serving ''government'' in our history. ( Criminals )

**Hinny** · 21st July 2008, 19:41

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

I agree with you only insofar as Nationals policies are too close to what Labour is. The reason for that is simple, the slippery Labour bastards have over the decades carefully nurtured a ''world owes me a living'' mentality'' and National have to a degree had to follow suit because of the brainwashing that has been carefully orchestrated. They have systematically infiltrated the teaching proffessions, the media, politicised the civil service and grown it into an overfed juggernaut, and god knows what else.
Yes, fuel prices have skyrocketed and impacted on everything. But the Government is laughing because the total tax take out of fuel has also increased enormously. If they are indeed a ''government for the working man'' then I seriously dont believe it and in practice they never have been. Quite simply they could have capped their total take out of fuel and lessened the impact. Road use charges for truckies, well what a pack of insensitive money grabbing bastards, say no more.
The BIG difference with National is that they are far more blessed with self made practical people with a better conception of the real world. I hope they win with a thumping majority and are therefore free to dismantle the excesses of the most corrupt self serving ''government'' in our history. ( Criminals )

Care to elaborate?