Fast and Safe

**speedpro** · 3rd February 2005, 08:34

Someone has probably already noted this but I can't be bothered checking.

Well worth checking out this site: http://www.fastandsafe.org/site.aspx/Pages/home

The guys running it seem reasonably clever and seem to have valid arguments.

**dhunt** · 3rd February 2005, 08:50

Looks quite interesting, just having a read about the ltsa scare tactics.

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd February 2005, 09:05

This site is certainly interesting. However, the policy makers (LTSA) won't take a blind bit of notice, will they?

**R1** · 3rd February 2005, 09:21

Originally Posted by MSTRS

This site is certainly interesting. However, the policy makers (LTSA) won't take a blind bit of notice, will they?

where's the money in that??

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd February 2005, 09:24

Originally Posted by R1AaronKDX

where's the money in that??

Absofrekkinlutely. What's the grip with this 'suzi/honda crusha'?

**Krayy** · 3rd February 2005, 09:36

One thing that I can't find reference to on that site is the inherent ability that some people have to be able to control a vehicle at higher speeds that others. Some people on the roads won't go at 100 as they just can't handle it mentally or physically.

If the LTSA introduced some form of psychiatric testing and special license conditions and maybe something like an "S" plate for "Slow" or "Stupid" before allowing a driver on the road, that may stop the accidents caused by these timid folk who are so unpredicatable in their actions, such as braking at EVERY corner, even the loong sweeping ones, or cutting across 3 lanes of traffic to get to an off ramp.

I also have another theory that relates to foreign drivers. Some of these people come from countries where they can't or don't drive and their brains just arent used to seeing things coming at them at 200km/h (100km/h in each direction). This induces a state of panic etc etc and then they kill someone, their family pays the victims family 40 grand and they get off scott free. Bastards.

**R1** · 3rd February 2005, 09:37

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Absofrekkinlutely. What's the grip with this 'suzi/honda crusha'?

its more of a poke

at a few KBers like biff baff, WINJA, and MSTRS....oooppps thats you

**Waylander** · 3rd February 2005, 09:39

Originally Posted by Krayy

One thing that I can't find reference to on that site is the inherent ability that some people have to be able to control a vehicle at higher speeds that others. Some people on the roads won't go at 100 as they just can't handle it mentally or physically.

If the LTSA introduced some form of psychiatric testing and special license conditions and maybe something like an "S" plate for "Slow" or "Stupid" before allowing a driver on the road, that may stop the accidents caused by these timid folk who are so unpredicatable in their actions, such as braking at EVERY corner, even the loong sweeping ones, or cutting across 3 lanes of traffic to get to an off ramp.

I also have another theory that relates to foreign drivers. Some of these people come from countries where they can't or don't drive and their brains just arent used to seeing things coming at them at 200km/h (100km/h in each direction). This induces a state of panic etc etc and then they kill someone, their family pays the victims family 40 grand and they get off scott free. Bastards.

Or they hit a biker and its one more reason "bikes are dangerous"

**R1** · 3rd February 2005, 09:39

Originally Posted by Krayy

One thing that I can't find reference to on that site is the inherent ability that some people have to be able to control a vehicle at higher speeds that others. Some people on the roads won't go at 100 as they just can't handle it mentally or physically.

If the LTSA introduced some form of psychiatric testing and special license conditions and maybe something like an "S" plate for "Slow" or "Stupid" before allowing a driver on the road, that may stop the accidents caused by these timid folk who are so unpredicatable in their actions, such as braking at EVERY corner, even the loong sweeping ones, or cutting across 3 lanes of traffic to get to an off ramp.

I also have another theory that relates to foreign drivers. Some of these people come from countries where they can't or don't drive and their brains just arent used to seeing things coming at them at 200km/h (100km/h in each direction). This induces a state of panic etc etc and then they kill someone, their family pays the victims family 40 grand and they get off scott free. Bastards.

so every cage driver would have an "s"on there plate

**Krayy** · 3rd February 2005, 09:45

Originally Posted by R1AaronKDX

so every cage driver would have an "s"on there plate

Hehe, never thought of that....

**bugjuice** · 3rd February 2005, 09:53

something that's pissed me off for a long time is people sat in the middle/right hand lane. In the UK where I learnt to drive, you get a good bollockin for doing that. It's dangerous and slows other traffic down. I emailed the LTSA and asked why the same isn't done here, it'd help move the traffic etc, and make the roads and drivers that bit more predictable too. Their responce? Basically they said NZ doesn't have enough traffic to make this a viable law to pass. I mentioned about slower vehicles (trucks etc) and they said there's only a 10kph difference in speed limits, so there's no point in enforcing that either. So we're stuck behind 3 trucks using up all the lanes while we wait for them to get over the bridge. Fuckin stupid.

The laws on the roads here are dated. Some are just stupid. They're spending billions on the roads to try to improve traffic flow, and while I agree we do need a lot of the new roads being built, they could start with some simple things that aren't going to cost us anything. Learn from other countries with bigger traffic issues, and see what they've done. Hell, we're tiny compared to most places, and the Gov can't get this right.. makes you wonder..

The other thing is the current technology of vehicles too. I've heard an intersting debate, which will go on for ever and ever. I ride a fairly newly designed bike (yeah, ok, it's been superseeded already) which has been tested to some incredable speeds of which mine, and many more bikes and cages are able to handle. In fact, it could be fair to argue that they're safer and more stable at higher speeds, so if vehicles are safer, faster and more reliable, then why aren't the speed limits reflected in this? Not saying freeways should be 200kph zones (as much as I'd like), but an increase to reflect the advance over the years. Germany doesn't have speed limits on a lot of their Autobhanns (how ever it's spelt).. I saw a doco on one guy who drives his Maserati to work and back at 200mph.. pretty quick.

On the other side of that, technology has advanced heaps - but have the operators of the technology? The faster you go, the faster things go wrong. Can you imagine a groupd of us bikers doing a fair 150kph, then granny comes into view doing her 65kph..?? ain't gonna be pretty. Some people can't handle speed (think of the elders and newbies for one..), which makes them slow, which means for those wanting to go faster, there's an additional servere safety concern. Which sux balls.

All in all, I propse the gov build a seperate high-speed road for bikers and keep the rest off our special roads. If they want to drive cages and be stuck in traffic, then that's their choice.

Also, on the note of closing speeds - image a couple of bikers heading toward each other at 200 - 250kph? Realistic speed, which makes a closing speed of 4-500kph!!!!!!

yeah, spot how many spelling errors there are.... I need coffee

**MSTRS:Me** · 3rd February 2005, 09:53

Originally Posted by R1AaronKDX

its more of a poke

at a few KBers like biff baff, WINJA, and MSTRS....oooppps thats you

Sad bastard. How's the NIftyFifty?

right back at ya

**Hitcher** · 3rd February 2005, 09:54

Thanks for posting this link. It's good to know there are people prepared to stand up and fight the forces of Evil and Darkness. We live in a democracy. We should lend our support to these folk in an effort to see reason prevail.

Otherwise we will all be eating tofu, calling each other "comrade" while watching an All Black team selected so that it doesn't discriminate against minority groups on our State-controlled television network, with English sub-titles.

**R1** · 3rd February 2005, 10:09

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Thanks for posting this link. It's good to know there are people prepared to stand up and fight the forces of Evil and Darkness. We live in a democracy. We should lend our support to these folk in an effort to see reason prevail.

Otherwise we will all be eating tofu, calling each other "comrade" while watching an All Black team selected so that it doesn't discriminate against minority groups on our State-controlled television network, with English sub-titles.

i agree.......my old lady works for that twat Clayton Cosgrove, so i fwded her the link to pass on to him...never know he might take it further