MotoGP 2012

[Oscar]

Having partnered Casey Stoner when the Australian won the title for Ducati, Capirossi said the bike was fundamentally different to the model Rossi had been able to ride.
"[Stoner's] was a different bike. The year he won the title I won a race too and got on the podium twice," he said. "I'd really like to see what Stoner would do with today's Ducati."


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101888

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101888

"I won one race and got on the podium twice!!"

Ummmm...Stoner won 10 races. The only comparison you can do it this. Stoner got off the Ducati after the last race in Valencia, and did lap record pace on the Honda day after. Rossi got on the very same Ducati Stoner just climbed off...and was 1 & 1/2 seconds if not 2 full seconds off the pace. Kinda sums it up.

[tail_end_charlie]

"I won one race and got on the podium twice!!"

Ummmm...Stoner won 10 races. The only comparison you can do it this. Stoner got off the Ducati after the last race in Valencia, and did lap record pace on the Honda day after. Rossi got on the very same Ducati Stoner just climbed off...and was 1 & 1/2 seconds if not 2 full seconds off the pace. Kinda sums it up.

Valenciana Race 7 Nov 2010
1 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team HONDA 1'32.914
2 99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA 1'32.940 +0.026
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team YAMAHA 1'32.970 +0.056
4 27 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Team DUCATI 1'33.018 +0.104


Valenciana Test Session 2 9 Nov 2010
1 Dani Pedrosa Repsol Honda Team 1:31.807
2 Casey Stoner Repsol Honda Team 1:31.968 +0.161
3 Ben Spies Yamaha Factory Racing 1:32.338 +0.531
4 Cal Crutchlow Monster Yamaha Tech 3 1:32.550 +0.743
5 Andrea Dovizioso Monster Yamaha Tech3 1:33.256 +1.449
6 Valentino Rossi Ducati Team 1:33.332 +1.525





Yeah, I bet there was some "Oh shit, what the f**k have we gotten ourselves into" comments coming from the Rossi team after that. Been more or less averaging about 0.75s behind Stoner's lap time all of this year too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, I bet there was some "Oh shit, what the f**k have we gotten ourselves into" comments coming from the Rossi team after that. .

Thank fuck he's going back to Yamaha. Who do you reckon will take who out first? Lorenzo or Rossi?

[tail_end_charlie]

Thank fuck he's going back to Yamaha. Who do you reckon will take who out first? Lorenzo or Rossi?

I dunno on that one. If I had to guess I would say VR taking out JL first, cause I think he'll have to be pushing to get back his form and reputation, whereas JL should be pretty confident that he's the best now. Then again, they could be boring and not take each other out. I've been waiting all season to see who takes out who first between Cal and Andrea, but it ain't happened. Rather disappointed in that.

[bogan]

"I won one race and got on the podium twice!!"

Ummmm...Stoner won 10 races. The only comparison you can do it this. Stoner got off the Ducati after the last race in Valencia, and did lap record pace on the Honda day after. Rossi got on the very same Ducati Stoner just climbed off...and was 1 & 1/2 seconds if not 2 full seconds off the pace. Kinda sums it up.

Hondas are much easier to set up and ride than Ducatis?

Rossi's been around a while, and maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks when racing at that level, or maybe he's just been around long enough. We'll find out next year :) There are so many factors determining the success of a rider/manufacturer/team combination, the rider skill is only one; but speculation is good for seat filling.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Rossi's been around a while, and maybe you can't teach an old dog new tricks .

After breaking his leg I'm sure he decided early in the piece that trying too hard on that pile of shit could well result in more hospital visits. Stupid he ain't.

[Mental Trousers]

Who do you reckon will take who out first? Lorenzo or Rossi?

VR to take out JL. Lorenzo is the faster rider and he's been on the Yam for the last 2 years.

[tail_end_charlie]

With as much success Rossi has had in the GP racing (9x WC) I would think that he is looking more at maintaining his legacy rather then winning races just to win races. He knows that Lorenzo is his closest match (probably doesn't think that Lorenzo is any better then himself, cause these guys have that much self confidence) and will know that it will be a out and out brawl to see which one o them could win a championship while both healthy and on the same bike. Rossi's legacy would be better served by sticking with the ugly Duckling and trying to build a competative MotoGP race bike out of it. If he could come out next year (lets face it, ain't gonna happen this year) and really challange Honda/Yamaha for the Championship, that would do more for his reputation than admitting defeat and running back to Yamaha. Even now that Ben is leaving (rather disappointing, hope he keeps racing somewhere) and an open Yamaha factory seat, I would surmise that Rossi is going to stay with Ducati for at least one more year, hoping that with Audi leaning on the Ducati leadership, that changes will happen and things will get better.


Now of course since I've said this Rossi will probably jump ship and make me look like a..............well, an L-plate rider I guess.


Ok, so my earlier prediction was blatantly wrong. However, I stand by my reasoning in it. Obviously Rossi has decided that eating crow and jumping back to a competative bike is more important that sticking with the Duc. I can understand that, still kinda disappointed though. I would really like to see the Ducati competative again, to at least allow for more bikes fights for the lead. One thing that I hadn't thought about though, was the possible reaction that Ducati may have if (now when) Rossi left. The interview with Masao Furusawa www.motomatters.com/interview/2012/08/21/masao_furusawa_interview_on_visiting_ita.html seemed to indicate that Ducati are getting pretty damn desperate now. Maybe Rossi's leaving will help to convince them that they really need to take a different approach to R&D as well as the development of the bike. I mean, if Rossi can't ride it ..............................that would be a good indication that maybe the WC with Stoner was due more to good luck and a great rider rather than a good rider and a great bike.

[Shaun]

I dunno on that one. If I had to guess I would say VR taking out JL first, cause I think he'll have to be pushing to get back his form and reputation, whereas JL should be pretty confident that he's the best now. Then again, they could be boring and not take each other out. I've been waiting all season to see who takes out who first between Cal and Andrea, but it ain't happened. Rather disappointed in that.




very very strange thing to say, go watch boxing if you want blood

[tail_end_charlie]

very very strange thing to say, go watch boxing if you want blood

Oh calm down, that comment was made tongue in cheek.

[Drew]

very very strange thing to say, go watch boxing if you want blood


Oh calm down, that comment was made tongue in cheek.

He's a ranga, calm's got nothing to do with it!

[pritch]

Thank fuck he's going back to Yamaha. Who do you reckon will take who out first? Lorenzo or Rossi?

Lyn Jarvis commented on this. I hope the "talk" did not extend to, "No more Catalunyas, no more Motegis".


"The risk of a competitive Valentino Rossi is that he could take valuable points from Jorge Lorenzo in the final stretch of the title race, as he had done in Motegi in 2010. Was that a risk? It was something they had talked about, Jarvis admitted. "In the process of discussion with Valentino, we have obviously taken the opportunity to talk about the past. (snip) We have clarified the previous issues and explained obviously that we don't want to see any situations where our riders will be, shall we say, endangering the results of the other one."

[ktm84mxc]

Who ever thinks that Audi will put up with Ducati's adherence to their own ideas is sadly mistaken the Germans will put the right people in charge and make the big calls budget won't be an issue look what they did with Lambo. Expect to see a few KTM RD guys jumping ship to the Ducati GP team.

[BMWST?]

Who ever thinks that Audi will put up with Ducati's adherence to their own ideas is sadly mistaken the Germans will put the right people in charge and make the big calls budget won't be an issue look what they did with Lambo. Expect to see a few KTM RD guys jumping ship to the Ducati GP team.

How many of Stoners crew will go back to Ducati??

[pritch]

How many of Stoners crew will go back to Ducati??

It looks as if there will be some vacancies at Ducati. Yamaha say Rossi can bring his "garage staff" but that the details are to be sorted.

Musical chairs? But serious musical chairs because livlihoods are at stake.

[roogazza]

Lyn Jarvis commented on this. I hope the "talk" did not extend to, "No more Catalunyas, no more Motegis".


"The risk of a competitive Valentino Rossi is that he could take valuable points from Jorge Lorenzo in the final stretch of the title race, as he had done in Motegi in 2010. Was that a risk? It was something they had talked about, Jarvis admitted. "In the process of discussion with Valentino, we have obviously taken the opportunity to talk about the past. (snip) We have clarified the previous issues and explained obviously that we don't want to see any situations where our riders will be, shall we say, endangering the results of the other one."

After Horhay was beaten to the title in 08 and 09 by Rossi and then turning the tables in 2010 (although an injured Rossi).
I'll bet Horhay wants to beat Rossi fair and square on the same bike.
Bugger, this means I will be travelling next year. :laugh::laugh:

[merv]

Bugger, this means I will be travelling next year. :laugh::laugh:

The pain some of us have to bear eh Gaz :wings:

[roogazza]

The pain some of us have to bear eh Gaz :wings:

I'm getting serious, have Italian for Dummys out of the Library !
:confused::confused:

[Crasherfromwayback]

After Horhay was beaten to the title in 08 and 09 by Rossi and then turning the tables in 2010 (although an injured Rossi).
I'll bet Horhay wants to beat Rossi fair and square on the same bike.
Bugger, this means I will be travelling next year. :laugh::laugh:

When Lorenzo was still learning the ropes you mean? Shit Gaz...you're more one eyed than I am. Lorenzo was beating Rossi fair and square when Rossi binned it mate.

[carbonhed]

Be good to see Bradl on Stoners bike would it not?

[merv]

Be good to see Bradl on Stoners bike would it not?

Has there been an announcement on what will happen while Stoner has the Aussie surgeons deal to him?

[onearmedbandit]

Has there been an announcement on what will happen while Stoner has the Aussie surgeons deal to him?

Apparently he's going to have a bit of a cry, and then whinge about how the surgeon really wasn't supporting his recovery properly.

OAB :Pokey: CFWB

[carbonhed]

Apparently he's going to have a bit of a cry, and then whinge about how the surgeon really wasn't supporting his recovery properly.

OAB :Pokey: CFWB

Transparent trolling. Should work a treat :yes:

[onearmedbandit]

Transparent trolling. Should work a treat :yes:

Pete sometimes doesn't get it when I'm winding him up, so I thought I'd clear up any confusion.

[merv]

I was asking in relation to the comment about Bradl, not what Stoner was going to say about his surgeon. While on that topic though he has already praised his surgeon back in Oz so can't see him changing his comments on that.

[onearmedbandit]

I was asking in relation to the comment about Bradl, not what Stoner was going to say about his surgeon. While on that topic though he has already praised his surgeon back in Oz so can't see him changing his comments on that.

I realised that but took a different tack with it. And I was taking the piss...

[White trash]

So anyway, Spies looks good heading to qualifying but does anyone have an answer to Pedro this weekend? I very much doubt it.........

[denill]

The last shoe dropped

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/Tech+3+British+line+up+for+2013

[Cleve]

Very curious about the Junior Duc team. Redding and Iannone I hope

[steveyb]

Deux 'ros-bif' dans l'equipe Francais? Mon dieu, qu'est ce ca veux dire pour le monde, cette merde?

[Mental Trousers]

Very curious about the Junior Duc team. Redding and Iannone I hope

Yep, although Petrucci wouldn't be a bad pick either.

[GD66]

Has there been an announcement on what will happen while Stoner has the Aussie surgeons deal to him?


There's been a bit of mumbling about Johnny Rea, which is interesting. He sure has the speed most times...:Punk:

[Shaun]

Deux 'ros-bif' dans l'equipe Francais? Mon dieu, qu'est ce ca veux dire pour le monde, cette merde?



you been smoking pot again

[Fast Eddie]

sweet qualifying sesh

[denill]

Deux 'ros-bif' dans l'equipe Francais? Mon dieu, qu'est ce ca veux dire pour le monde, cette merde?

Two 'ros-bif' in the French team? My god, what ca mean for the world, this shit?

[roogazza]

When Lorenzo was still learning the ropes you mean? Shit Gaz...you're more one eyed than I am. Lorenzo was beating Rossi fair and square when Rossi binned it mate.

http://vimeo.com/32756097

Just quoting the record books Bud, but yes he was slightly ahead in points when Rossi's leg was broken around halfway season.

[tigertim20]

I love that video.
opinions, preferences, stats and history aside, that video shows why Im excited for next year. A legend of yesteryear, and a legend of tomorrow on the same bikes again. If we can have some action like that next year then it doesnt matter a fuck who wins the race, cos the fans will be the winners:woohoo:

[tail_end_charlie]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120825rydernotes.htm

To be honest its mostly blah blah blah, until you get to the bottom of the page.

"Rumour mill latest: number 11 will be a MotoGP rider next year—on a Honda."

I swear if those f**kers are making that up just to see who catches it and spreads it around, I'm going to be pissed. The only possible spot they could be refering to would be the San Carlo Honda which currently has Bautista on it. But as of now I'm not aware of Gresini having signed Bautista for next year. So that (and the Ducati 'Junior' team) are the only real MotoGP rides left.....................because no one cares about CRT.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://vimeo.com/32756097

.

You're wearing that out too!

[Shaun]

You're wearing that out too!



No more than your love for a 2x world champion '' ONLY '' quitter:facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

No more than your love for a 2x world champion '' ONLY '' quitter:facepalm:

I have massive respect for them all Shaun. That's the big difference between you and I.

[denill]

Spies on the subject of 2013 <_<

http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-detail.cfm?newstitle=Spies-considering-Suzuki-and-Gresini-MotoGP-offers&newsid=7833

[Shaun]

I have massive respect for them all Shaun. That's the big difference between you and I.



Funny how you and others think you actually know the real me bahahahaha

[actungbaby]

Go Dovi, hope he does well. Rossi will be a bit gutted if they finally get the bike sorted after he leaves!

Your got think rossi wasint much good at giving feeback or being devolpment rider dont you. think dovi be way better

[actungbaby]

No stoner next year though. I want to see a good back and forth battle between him and lorenzo before the season is out.

just wait till philip island i dont think stoner will be beaten there he have something to prove, mind you used to closer racing in 500cc days there . pity these 1000cc motogp bikes sem boring to wtach as 800,s maybe be better next year when got year to sort the bikes

Hondas where not sorted engough this year

[yod]

Your got think rossi wasint much good at giving feeback or being devolpment rider dont you. think dovi be way better

umm....what? :blink:

Sorry, I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Funny how you and others think you actually know the real me bahahahaha

I don't know you at all Shaun. Don't claim to. I simply listen to too much bullshit during the day at my job to bite my tongue here. That's why I'm happy to tell people they're talking shit. Because I can. And you are.

[Oscar]

Funny how you and others think you actually know the real me bahahahaha

I knows ya, ya little Gremlin.

[Drew]

Funny how you and others think you actually know the real me bahahahahaThe real you is a fairly liquid term Shaun. I don't know you fuck all in real terms, but you gotta face up to the fact that you tend to open your gob and let shit fall out as often as I do...So...Lots.


I don't know you at all Shaun. Don't claim to. I simply listen to too much bullshit during the day at my job to bite my tongue here. That's why I'm happy to tell people they're talking shit. Because I can. And you are.


Hehehehe, this'll be fun.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hehehehe, this'll be fun.

Only for a while. Who's gonna win tonight's GP?

[Shaun]

I knows ya, ya little Gremlin.



you got him

[Shaun]

Only for a while. Who's gonna win tonight's GP?




The fastest rider

[Rcktfsh]

Forecast is 80%chance of rain, isn't that Italian bloke pretty good in the wet and not buried to far back on the grid this weekend?

[Drew]

Pedro for the win. That's what I want to happen, and since he's a machine if it stays dry I am odds on to be right I think.

[BMWST?]

Pedro for the win. That's what I want to happen, and since he's a machine if it stays dry I am odds on to be right I think.

my head says jlo but i want dani to win

[Rcktfsh]

And paying $40.00.

[tail_end_charlie]

I'm going to left field for this one, but I'm saying Ben for the win tonight. Sounds like it could be questionable conditions, and he has done pretty good in the past in those type of races (excluding this year).

Bring on the ridicule. :yawn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

The fastest rider

Just so there's no confusion Shaun...this is why I love Stoner so much. This is from Steve Parrish...he's been round a while. Been there, done that...seen it all sort of thing.



"It's a real shame for the sport, because Casey Stoner, I think, is the fastest guy I've ever seen on a motorcycle. He really is phenomenal. It's a tragedy he's going to call it a day. I'd like to think that maybe in a year or two he'll get bored and come back because he's still young enough to do that. The same with Ben. I think that deal is pretty much done, going to World Superbike with BMW next year. That's what I'm hearing. It's a big disappointment because Ben's obviously a big talent. But it hasn't worked for him this year. Again, I'd like to think he'll come back here to the premier class. That's what we've got here: the toughest, hardest class of motorcycle racing in the world, and we want the toughest, hardest, best motorcycle racers in it."

So you see...I don't want to bum the lil fucker (though I'd quite like to interfere with his gorgeous wee wife), I don't give a shit if he's funny or not. I couldn't care less if he complains, bitches, slaps other riders on the way past or poos his fucking pants. What I care about is, I'm about to never see the fastest, wildest, biggest balls guy I've EVER seen put on a set of leathers and a helmet race motorcycles any more. And I'm spewing.

You can repeat stories you've 'heard' about his wife being spoilt...you can hate him for his skill, millions, lifestyle or whatever. But that just makes you a sad jealous cunt.

Stats don't lie Shaun. Moto GP is about to loose one of the fastest and greatest way too soon. What's so good about that? And a quiter?
Indy with a severly fucked ankle look like a quiter to you?

[Shaun]

Just so there's no confusion Shaun...


So you see...I don't want to bum the lil fucker (though I'd quite like to interfere with his gorgeous wee wife), I don't give a shit if he's funny or not. I couldn't care less if he complains, bitches, slaps other riders on the way past or poos his fucking pants. What I care about is, I'm about to never see the fastest, wildest, biggest balls guy I've EVER seen put on a set of leathers and a helmet race motorcycles any more. And I'm spewing.

You can repeat stories you've 'heard' about his wife being spoilt...you can hate him for his skill, millions, lifestyle or whatever. But that just makes you a sad jealous cunt.

1) find one single post where I have said he is not an extremelly fast talented rider
2) Sad and Jelous, hell no sport, just say what I think and 100% KNOW. They only thing I am sad and jelous about with racing is the fact that I had to stop way before I wanted too

Stats don't lie Shaun.

3) True, he is a 2 x world champion
4) Rossi a 9 x:sunny:

Moto GP is about to loose one of the fastest and greatest way too soon.

5) AGREED ( Even though I said I would not agree with you for a month, my bad)

What's so good about that? And a quiter?
Indy with a severly fucked ankle look like a quiter to you?

6) we all do scarcasim pete and all have our own opinions, so sit back and relax and enjoy this public forum, even if some one winds you up or challenges you or disagrees! and keep selling those motorcycles and enjoying talking SHIT face to face with people

[Crasherfromwayback]

6) we all do scarcasim pete and all have our own opinions, so sit back and relax and enjoy this public forum, even if some one winds you up or challenges you or disagrees! and keep selling those motorcycles and enjoying talking SHIT face to face with people

I don't actually talk shit to my customers Shaun. It's you that's been accused of stealing from people you work with/for from memory.

And the old 9 titles to two thing!

See if you can get your head round this then...

Mike Tyson is 9 times world heavyweight champ. Holyfield isn't in his weight division until he's won 7 of them.

Holyfield turns up, and beats Tyson 34 times, to the 23 times Tyson beats him. They both win 2 titles each. Who's the better fighter?

I rest my case.

Now you could also explain what Stoners Mrs has to do with stuff? Other than she looks good.

[BMWST?]

I'm going to left field for this one, but I'm saying Ben for the win tonight. Sounds like it could be questionable conditions, and he has done pretty good in the past in those type of races (excluding this year).

Bring on the ridicule. :yawn:

your idea is not without merit



The session had started on a fully wet track, yet with rays of sun coming through a few dry patches started to form as the warm-up progressed. And it was Spies, who on his very last lap before the chequered flag came out posted the quickest time of 2.06’906 ahead of Repsol Honda Team’s Pedrosa. Ducati Team’s Valentino Rossi, who is renowned for his performances in the wet, put in a good showing to finish the morning in third.
Yamaha’s pole sitter Jorge Lorenzo set the fourth fastest time of the morning, ahead of Monster Yamaha Tech 3’s Andrea Dovizioso. Power Electronics Aspar’s Aleix Espargaró put in a great performance to finish as top CRT in eighth, and even beat some prototype machines on the way. Many riders will not see this session as terribly relevant, as the race as 2pm local time is expected to be held in the dry, with no more rain expected. However, should conditions change once more, then the warm-up gives a good indication as to what could be expected.

[Shaun]

I don't actually talk shit to my customers Shaun. It's you that's been accused of stealing from people you work with/for from memory.

And the old 9 titles to two thing!

See if you can get your head round this then...

Mike Tyson is 9 times world heavyweight champ. Holyfield isn't in his weight division until he's won 7 of them.

Holyfield turns up, and beats Tyson 34 times, to the 23 times Tyson beats him. They both win 2 titles each. Who's the better fighter?

I rest my case.

Now you could also explain what Stoners Mrs has to do with stuff? Other than she looks good.


If you want to start bringing up accusations that were not and are not true nor fact pete

Fuk you and I look forward to seeing you some time

[bogan]

Holyfield turns up, and beats Tyson 34 times, to the 23 times Tyson beats him. They both win 2 titles each. Who's the better fighter?

Whoever is winning at the time, beating a world champ may just mean the champ is passed their prime. It's not like the 100m where there is a benchmark to compete against.

However, this much debate is surely a good sign, as it means the competition is close enough for some good racing :D

[Shaun]

Whoever is winning at the time, beating a world champ may just mean the champ is passed their prime. It's not like the 100m where there is a benchmark to compete against.

However, this much debate is surely a good sign, as it means the competition is close enough for some good racing :D


exactually

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuk you and I look forward to seeing you some time


So I see from your PM threating me with violence. 12 Kent Tce Wellington is where I work, you know the phone number I know,as it's you that rang my boss to complain about my 'conduct' here eh Shaun. I'm there 6 days a week. Monday to Friday inclusive 8.15am till 5.30pm, Saturday 9.00am till 3.00pm.

[Bender]

I'm about to never see the fastest, wildest, biggest balls guy I've EVER seen put on a set of leathers and a helmet race motorcycles any more. And I'm spewing.



Nailed it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nailed it.

Nah. I've given it more thought. It's all about the best pantomime after the race. WTF was I thinking.

[Drew]

If you want to start bringing up accusations that were not and are not true nor fact pete

Fuk you and I look forward to seeing you some time


So I see from your PM threating me with violence. 12 Kent Tce Wellington is where I work, you know the phone number I know,as it's you that rang my boss to complain about my 'conduct' here eh Shaun. I'm there 6 days a week. Monday to Friday inclusive 8.15am till 5.30pm, Saturday 9.00am till 3.00pm.

If I back you Pete, are you gonna sell this cunt a bike and forgive and forget again? Left me hangin last ime ya know.

[GD66]

Diverting briefly to the subject of tonight's GP, keep an ear out for the number of times that sad commentary duo mention "the lowest part of the circuit"...:no:

[Bender]

Listen, you could at the very least have the courtesy of remaining consistent for a few more posts when I've gone to the bother of agreeing with you. Drop me in it would you?

Watching Stoner muscle that Duke or Honda round is such a sheer bloody pleasure to watch. Pedro, Horhay, Rossi et al are fast-as, but so smooth they hardly look like they're moving. Here comes El Stoner, sliding in, opposite lock on, powerslide out leaving a strong smell of gunpowder and tyre smoke. Feckin' bewdy.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If I back you Pete, are you gonna sell this cunt a bike and forgive and forget again? Left me hangin last ime ya know.

For the record, I din't sell the other chap a bike. We've since met face to face, and shook hands. He's ok.

Can't see Shaun and I shaking hands. I despise narks.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Watching Stoner muscle that Duke or Honda round is such a sheer bloody pleasure to watch. Pedro, Horhay, Rossi et al are fast-as, but so smooth they hardly look like they're moving. Here comes El Stoner, sliding in, opposite lock on, powerslide out leaving a strong smell of gunpowder and tyre smoke. Feckin' bewdy.

Stop it...you've got it all wrong. Be careful...they'll think I've signed on as you!

[Drew]

For the record, I din't sell the other chap a bike. We've since met face to face, and shook hands. He's ok.

Can't see Shaun and I shaking hands. I despise narks.

Sooooooo, I shouldn't have called the cops when you gave me a codral pill?

[McWild]

Tech 3 must have had one hell of a binding contract with Smith to sign a two year deal with him. I can't think of any other legitimate reason to put him on such a competitive bike, given his background. A CRT I could maybe - MAYBE - fathom, but the Monster Yamaha has to be the best bike out there in the premier class after the factory efforts from Honda and Yamaha.

I mean, he's not even as successful as Abraham was when he made the (premature) jump to the GP, and look how well that's gone. I mean no disrespect to Smith, as he obviously has heart, and more talent than many in his current field, but it seems all too obvious that he will be taking up space over the next couple of years.

With talent like Luthi, Iannone, Espargaro, and a host of others who haven't signed a GP deal yet, it's nothing short of wasteful. Even the passport argument doesn't work. Two British riders? What the hell?



Unrelated, Salom has to be my favourite racer among the classes these days, he's a class act. To quote his post race interview: "I got sleepy and was passed by Folger and I said, 'What the fuck?'"

Legend.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tech 3 must have had one hell of a binding contract with Smith to sign a two year deal with him. I can't think of any other legitimate reason to put him on such a competitive bike, given his background. A CRT I could maybe - MAYBE - fathom, but the Monster Yamaha has to be the best bike out there in the premier class after the factory efforts from Honda and Yamaha.

.

With you 100%.

[Mental Trousers]

Tech 3 must have had one hell of a binding contract with Smith to sign a two year deal with him. I can't think of any other legitimate reason to put him on such a competitive bike, given his background. A CRT I could maybe - MAYBE - fathom, but the Monster Yamaha has to be the best bike out there in the premier class after the factory efforts from Honda and Yamaha.

I mean, he's not even as successful as Abraham was when he made the (premature) jump to the GP, and look how well that's gone. I mean no disrespect to Smith, as he obviously has heart, and more talent than many in his current field, but it seems all too obvious that he will be taking up space over the next couple of years.

With talent like Luthi, Iannone, Espargaro, and a host of others who haven't signed a GP deal yet, it's nothing short of wasteful. Even the passport argument doesn't work. Two British riders? What the hell?



Unrelated, Salom has to be my favourite racer among the classes these days, he's a class act. To quote his post race interview: "I got sleepy and was passed by Folger and I said, 'What the fuck?'"

Legend.

Tech3 know the chassis he's on has had zero development through the year as there's only 2 of them in the field. It's the same situation as the Bimoto, Moriwaki, FTR and a couple of others. The Suter and Kalex have had the most updates so they attract the most teams and riders, which gives them more feedback for updates and they get progressively better through the year.

Considering where the other non-Suter/non-Kalex chassis's are in the field he's well ahead.

I'm not a Bradley Smith fan but there's more to the situation than you think.

[eelracing]

Stop it...you've got it all wrong. Be careful...they'll think I've signed on as you!

If the cap fits,ya bender.




Even the passport argument doesn't work. Two British riders? What the hell?

Sherlock Holmes put it best...When you have eliminated the impossible,whatever remains,however improbable,must be the truth.

[McWild]

Tech3 know the chassis he's on has had zero development through the year as there's only 2 of them in the field. It's the same situation as the Bimoto, Moriwaki, FTR and a couple of others. The Suter and Kalex have had the most updates so they attract the most teams and riders, which gives them more feedback for updates and they get progressively better through the year.

Considering where the other non-Suter/non-Kalex chassis's are in the field he's well ahead.

I'm not a Bradley Smith fan but there's more to the situation than you think.

I hadn't thought of it this way, I will have to pay close attention to the constructor standings post-race.

Do you think though, that if that's the case, that qualifies him for the Monster?

[denill]

Tech 3 must have had one hell of a binding contract with Smith to sign a two year deal with him. I can't think of any other legitimate reason to put him on such a competitive bike, given his background. A CRT I could maybe - MAYBE - fathom, but the Monster Yamaha has to be the best bike out there in the premier class after the factory efforts from Honda and Yamaha.

The only thing I can think of is - he's bringing a few GBPs with him? :pinch:

[slowpoke]

Tech 3 must have had one hell of a binding contract with Smith to sign a two year deal with him. I can't think of any other legitimate reason to put him on such a competitive bike, given his background. A CRT I could maybe - MAYBE - fathom, but the Monster Yamaha has to be the best bike out there in the premier class after the factory efforts from Honda and Yamaha.

I mean, he's not even as successful as Abraham was when he made the (premature) jump to the GP, and look how well that's gone. I mean no disrespect to Smith, as he obviously has heart, and more talent than many in his current field, but it seems all too obvious that he will be taking up space over the next couple of years.

With talent like Luthi, Iannone, Espargaro, and a host of others who haven't signed a GP deal yet, it's nothing short of wasteful. Even the passport argument doesn't work. Two British riders? What the hell?


I really dunno, what's tougher WSB or Moto2? Crutchlow only finished 5th in WSB but has shone this year in MotoGP. I reckon Moto2 could well be tougher than WSB, it's just a dogfight. Smith hasn't lit the world on fire, but being on the Tech 3 bike, maybe Poncharal knows it's a piece of poo and Smith is actually doing pretty well? We'll find out next year I guess.

Yamaha best satellite bike? Nah, I reckon the Yamaha and Honda are pretty even. Bradl as a rookie is outperforming a disappointing Bautista who I'm starting to think just hasn't quite got it. If Dovi and Crutchlow swapped with Bradl and Bautista the results would be pretty much identical so the difference is the riders not the bikes.

edit: Mental Trousers said it best and thanks to work intruding on my KB time was waaaaay faster on the typing!

[Crasherfromwayback]

If the cap fits,ya bender.


lol. Stop it. I'm feeling picked on. By the way...great pics of you doing the bizz on Livewire mate. Love yer work. Can't wait to get out and in the mud with you guys.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I really dunno, what's tougher WSB or Moto2? Crutchlow only finished 5th in WSB but has shone this year in MotoGP. .

What are you smoking mate? He finished 5th in WSB, won two or three (was it) races. He's won how many, and got how many podiums in GP's?

You call that 'shining'? Ben Spies won a race in his first season on the sat Yamaha.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Moto GP is boring. Not. Two of THE best racers of modern times going hard out lap after lap.

[eelracing]

Loved the move up the inside from Lorenzo.And what have they been putting into Dani's ribena lately?Here's hoping he can maintain more mongrel for the rest of the season.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Loved the move up the inside from Lorenzo.And what have they been putting into Dani's ribena lately?Here's hoping he can maintain more mongrel for the rest of the season.

Agreed and agreed. Huge pity Stoner's not there to make it a three way battle for tha championship at the end though. How long is it since we've seen that?

Never mind. 2 going for it hammer and tongs will suffice. Secretly...I'd actually love to see the surly midget take it.

[eelracing]

Secretly...I'd actually love to see the surly midget take it.


Not so secretly,I reckon Lorenzo had one eye on the championship...and if tonight was win or bin,lorenzo would have punted him out of the way on the last corner???

Do you think Pedrosa would do same?

[slowpoke]

What are you smoking mate? He finished 5th in WSB, won two or three (was it) races. He's won how many, and got how many podiums in GP's?

You call that 'shining'? Ben Spies won a race in his first season on the sat Yamaha.

Agreed....I didn't explain myself too well. I was completely suprised that Crutchlow got the MotoGP ride from WSB, wasn't that impressed, much the same last year. But, I've gotta admit (difficult 'cos I really don't like him at all) he's shown himself worthy this year, with him and Dovi shoulders above Bautista, Bradl and the rest. Tonight was a pretty good demo of that.

Spies? Poor bastard, really hopes he scores that honda ride.

[Bender]

The only thing I can think of is - he's bringing a few GBPs with him? :pinch:

The British Television deal, I understand. :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not so secretly,I reckon Lorenzo had one eye on the championship...and if tonight was win or bin,lorenzo would have punted him out of the way on the last corner???

Do you think Pedrosa would do same?

I agree with you. Last time I saw the midget punt someone off it was his own team mate.

[tail_end_charlie]

What are you smoking mate? He finished 5th in WSB, won two or three (was it) races. He's won how many, and got how many podiums in GP's?

You call that 'shining'? Ben Spies won a race in his first season on the sat Yamaha.

Just to be nit-picky, Ben had a couple of podiums his first year at Tech 3, but he was on a Factory ride when he got his win at Assen. Still, he did do pretty good his rookie year on the sat Yamaha.


And after saying that, I would have to say that this year has made being a fan of Ben very depressing. :facepalm:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Just to be nit-picky, Ben had a couple of podiums his first year at Tech 3, but he was on a Factory ride when he got his win at Assen. Still, he did do pretty good his rookie year on the sat Yamaha.


And after saying that, I would have to say that this year has made being a fan of Ben very depressing. :facepalm:

That's not nit-picky, that's my bad! Nothing nit-picky 'bout facts mate!

Gotta feel for Spies for sure. I'd like to see him stay in Moto GP, I think he's good enough to be there. Maybe he's lost a bit of self belief.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Top show then.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120826b.htm

[roogazza]

http://vimeo.com/32756097Just quoting the record books Bud,

[QUOTE=Crasherfromwayback; Nothing nit-picky 'bout facts mate!

Good to see you're feeling better,you know what a fact is, right? lol.
Figured you were suffering a bit of overflow. Rachel away huh ??

Apart from the little bit of to and fro at the end of the GP , I think I preferred the Moto2 race.

[Crasherfromwayback]

[. Rachel away huh ??

Apart from the little bit of to and fro at the end of the GP , I think I preferred the Moto2 race.

Rachel got to watch the GP from the pits. I'm very jealous! I'll let her share the pics when she's home. I actually really enjoyed the race. Both of them showing Stoner how to win a championship. If you can't win it...don't bin it!

[roogazza]

Rachel got to watch the GP from the pits. I'm very jealous! I'll let her share the pics when she's home. I actually really enjoyed the race. Both of them showing Stoner how to win a championship. If you can't win it...don't bin it!

Just been reading Spies is talking to Gresini so maybe not going to WSB ? (should've grabbed the link but didn't )
Wouldn't be a bad bike to get with the contacts Gresini has to get works equip. Ala Semenjelly,Gibbers,Kato. Bautista out of favour ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bautista out of favour ?

Yeah must be.

[denill]

Just been reading Spies is talking to Gresini so maybe not going to WSB ? (should've grabbed the link but didn't )
Wouldn't be a bad bike to get with the contacts Gresini has to get works equip. Ala Semenjelly,Gibbers,Kato. Bautista out of favour ?

But Gaz - why would he jump from a works Yamaha seat to a satellite seat? Do we have to wait for the book......:blink: :blink:

[Bender]

But Gaz - why would he jump from a works Yamaha seat to a satellite seat? :

The relationship between Spies and Yamaha has been ugly. Motomatters (and others) reported that he had been told at Laguna to race 100% or not bother to turn up, which is about the time he told them to get rooted. Spies has had a succession of machine failures including an engine when leading at Indy and the guy is smart enough to know when to do a re-set. He was quoted as saying he just wants to have some fun, whether it means heading to WSBK or whatever.

The rumours surrounding Spies include going to Suzuki to develop a new MotoGP bike with a few races next year and a full season in 2014.

Maybe he's going to get a Satellite Honda ride - and Gresini seem to get full-spec factory gear, not last year's bike - with a view to joining the full factory team next year? He deserves a decent ride.

[Tony.OK]

Pedro for the 2012 Championship!!

He's gotta be pumped after the last 2 rounds...............have grown to like the 'lil battler...............think his time may have come!!

Will only take a bike prob from Jorge's Yamaha (quite a possibility?) and the tables will be flipped n turned upside down.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pedro for the 2012 Championship!!

He's gotta be pumped after the last 2 rounds...............have grown to like the 'lil battler...............think his time may have come!!

Will only take a bike prob from Jorge's Yamaha (quite a possibility?) and the tables will be flipped n turned upside down.

His results seem to be going hand in hand with him lightening up a bit? But for sure he's going great guns. Spose it helps he's been injury this year for the first time in ages.

[Crasherfromwayback]

But Gaz - why would he jump from a works Yamaha seat to a satellite seat?

So you can leave your crew behind! Perhaps they're out of their depth.

[tail_end_charlie]

Just been reading Spies is talking to Gresini so maybe not going to WSB ? (should've grabbed the link but didn't )
Wouldn't be a bad bike to get with the contacts Gresini has to get works equip. Ala Semenjelly,Gibbers,Kato. Bautista out of favour ?

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/MotoGP/2012/August/Ben-Spies-close-to-shock-Gresini-Honda-deal/

That the one you were talking about?

[steveyb]

Question: Why was Rossi not shown the "black/orange spot" flag?
Would we have shown it to a rider in 7th place in an NZSBK superbike race?
He has said that he had oil on his boots and footpegs. Is there a case that there could have been oil dripping onto the track causing a hazard?
Not that anyone crashed on oil, but was that good luck or good management?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Question: Why was Rossi not shown the "black/orange spot" flag?
Would we have shown it to a rider in 7th place in an NZSBK superbike race?
He has said that he had oil on his boots and footpegs. Is there a case that there could have been oil dripping onto the track causing a hazard?
Not that anyone crashed on oil, but was that good luck or good management?

I was saying to one of the guys here at work that in my opinion..he should've been made to pull in. Perhaps someone else may've been.

[eelracing]

I was saying to one of the guys here at work that in my opinion..he should've been made to pull in. Perhaps someone else may've been.


Puy yourself in Rossi's (oily) boots.If there was a leak issue don't you think he would of been sliding into the traps like a WSB racer.He didn't...so no issue.

All I saw was a puff of smoke at one point and he just carried on,you and Stevey need some sleep.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Puy yourself in Rossi's (oily) boots.If there was a leak issue don't you think he would of been sliding into the traps like a WSB racer.He didn't...so no issue.

All I saw was a puff of smoke at one point and he just carried on,you and Stevey need some sleep.

Hey I'd keep riding the fucking thing too mate!

But you may need to watch it again. It was smoking like fuck a few times...not the once. And after Spie's engine went bang at Indy in such spectacular fashion...can't be too careful.

[eelracing]

Hey I'd keep riding the fucking thing too mate!

No, you would of crashed:bash:


...can't be too careful.

Poof!!!!!!

[Crasherfromwayback]

Poof!!!!!!

I may well have crashed yes. Poofta no.:sunny:

[merv]

I like this picture, looks like George is hitching a ride as pillion on Dani's bike.


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[merv]

Question time for you experts - why would Ben Spies clutch overheat off the line?

Give that boy a Honda for sure coz seems like Yamaha has the wrong karma for him.

[carbonhed]

Ducati's really onto something with these active countermeasures dontcha think? Smokescreens on corner entry... just think how that stuff could perk up the viewing numbers. I fancy the ability to deploy tiny ice beads on demand... this would destroy the chasing pack and immediately evaporate leaving no trace... fkin wicked.

[merv]

Shouldn't be the people behind that Valentino would want to take out, but the ones in front. He'd need to shoot the ice beads forward and then hope they'd melted before he hits them himself.

[carbonhed]

Shouldn't be the people behind that Valentino would want to take out, but the ones in front. He'd need to shoot the ice beads forward and then hope they'd melted before he hits them himself.

Bah, details, details... I'm an ideas man... everything else is just technical development.

[GD66]

.... keep an ear out for the number of times that sad commentary duo mention "the lowest part of the circuit"...:no:


Fuck, unlike every previous year, NONE !! Also the directors for once forgot to cut away during the last two tense, close-fought laps and show us gormless pit crews staring at the monitor...good telecast, great race !

[Mental Trousers]

Question time for you experts - why would Ben Spies clutch overheat off the line?

It happens. I've done it myself. He's not the first to have it happen. Usually there's something like 3 a year (vague estimate relying on dodgy memories) in the entire MotoGP field that fry the clutch. Normally they come right after a few laps but not always.

[merv]

"It happens" does not answer why! Got to keep asking at least 5 whys to get to the root cause then. Surely he wasn't slipping the clutch or anything silly like that before the lights change?

[Mental Trousers]

"It happens" does not answer why! Got to keep asking at least 5 whys to get to the root cause then. Surely he wasn't slipping the clutch or anything silly like that before the lights change?

Everybody slips the clutch. It's how the bloody things work!!

With 220+hp I'm surprised they don't cook more clutches.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Everybody slips the clutch. It's how the bloody things work!!

With 220+hp I'm surprised they don't cook more clutches.

I actually set fire to the clutch on my RS250 when I first got it.

[merv]

With all the fancy launch control etc I would never have thought they weren't built to take the horsepower. As for slipping he shouldn't be doing any of that before the lights change and if he was time he changed his style - he aint driving a pickup truck in Texas.

As for you Pete I can understand that to a degree on the old smoker with next to no bottom end power and tall gearing, but not on these new electronics controlled wonders.

[Crasherfromwayback]

As for you Pete I can understand that to a degree on the old smoker with next to no bottom end power and tall gearing, but not on these new electronics controlled wonders.

Had nothing to do with the fact I was so excited, I did about ten practice race starts down the side road next to the shop when I first got it! I wondered what the guys in the shop were waving and pointing at. There goes $900.00 worth of HRC plates.:facepalm:

[Mental Trousers]

The relationship between Spies and Yamaha has been ugly. Motomatters (and others) reported that he had been told at Laguna to race 100% or not bother to turn up, which is about the time he told them to get rooted. Spies has had a succession of machine failures including an engine when leading at Indy and the guy is smart enough to know when to do a re-set. He was quoted as saying he just wants to have some fun, whether it means heading to WSBK or whatever.

The rumours surrounding Spies include going to Suzuki to develop a new MotoGP bike with a few races next year and a full season in 2014.

Maybe he's going to get a Satellite Honda ride - and Gresini seem to get full-spec factory gear, not last year's bike - with a view to joining the full factory team next year? He deserves a decent ride.

I got the impression that Gressini didn't know what they were going to be doing next year. Apparently they're in danger of not having a prototype Honda, which would leave them with their CBR engined CRT bike.

But I'd be surprised if that happened. They were more likely to lose their title sponsor because San Carlo are now wanting results and now they're not too fussed about which passport gets those results. Unfortunately Bautista hasn't been getting them the results they want so Ben Spies on a Honda is looking like a good bet to me.

[BMWST?]

"It happens" does not answer why! Got to keep asking at least 5 whys to get to the root cause then. Surely he wasn't slipping the clutch or anything silly like that before the lights change?


these things are geared to the moon...very very high first gear.I think casey had clutch trouble due to the same thing in a race last year.They have to slip em like crazy to get going let alone a race start

[denill]

these things are geared to the moon...very very high first gear.I think casey had clutch trouble due to the same thing in a race last year.They have to slip em like crazy to get going let alone a race start

Which brings us back to - why Ben and not Jorge? :mellow:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Which brings us back to - why Ben and not Jorge? :mellow:

Maybe Spies did an extra practice start compared to Lorenzo. It's often all it takes.

[denill]

Brno test times.

Check out Spies time.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/183278/1/brno_motogp_test_times_-_monday_11am.html

[Crasherfromwayback]

Brno test times.

Check out Spies time.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/183278/1/brno_motogp_test_times_-_monday_11am.html

Yeah but it only show's him doing one lap.

[tail_end_charlie]

Which brings us back to - why Ben and not Jorge? :mellow:

Shhhhh, questions like that cause conspiracy theories. Everyone knows that it is all Ben's fault, he's obviously sabotaged himself so that he can blame his suckyness on Yamaha.

[denill]

Yeah but it only show's him doing one lap.

Yeah, you're right.

Did they take his bike off him? :confused:

[denill]

Yeah, you're right.

Did they take his bike off him? :confused:

There ya go.

1. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Yamaha Factory (YZR-M1) 1m 56.792s (Lap 24/31)
2. Cal Crutchlow GBR Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 56.941s (19/20)
3. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 56.987s (12/13)
4. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Yamaha Tech 3 (YZR-M1) 1m 57.311s (15/25)
5. Ben Spies USA Yamaha Factory (YZR-M1) 1m 57.592s (4/4)
6. Stefan Bradl GER LCR Honda MotoGP (RC213V) 1m 57.796s (3/20)
7. Alvaro Bautista ESP Honda Gresini (RC213V) 1m 58.193s (22/23)
8. Yonny Hernandez COL Avintia (FTR-Kawasaki CRT) 2m 0.185s (15/16)
9. Ivan Silva ESP Avintia (FTR-Kawasaki CRT) 2m 0.667s (18/35)
10. Colin Edwards USA Forward Racing (Suter-BMW CRT) 2m 2.049s (3/5)
11. Michele Pirro ITA Honda Gresini (FTR-Honda CRT) 2m 2.318s (2/5)
12. Jonathan Rea GBR Repsol Honda (RC213V) 2m 2.887s (12/17)
13. Mattia Pasini ITA Speed Master (ART CRT) 2m 3.635s (5/6)

On the 4th of 4 laps - wheras Jorge has done 31 laps. :mellow:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, you're right.

Did they take his bike off him? :confused:

lol. Maybe the subframe broke/it chunked a tyre/swingarm broke/blew up.

[BMWST?]

Which brings us back to - why Ben and not Jorge? :mellow:


Maybe Spies did an extra practice start compared to Lorenzo. It's often all it takes.

and the fact that Ben is prolly one of the heaviest These are finely balanced machines there is little to come and go on.I get the feeling that Ben is hard on his equipment,not dissin ,some people just are...And racing bikes arent to sympathetic to that treatment(my theory anyway)

[Crasherfromwayback]

I get the feeling that Ben is hard on his equipment,not dissin ,some people just are...And racing bikes arent to sympathetic to that treatment(my theory anyway)

Yeah maybe. Some people have a knack of fucking things others never would/do for sure.

[Mental Trousers]

lol. Maybe the subframe broke/it chunked a tyre/swingarm broke/blew up.

He hasn't hit a bird at 200+kph yet ....

[GD66]

True. If anyone's running a book, stick me down for $10 on Spies nailing a Cape Barren Goose at Phillip Island...:yeah:

[Crasherfromwayback]

He hasn't hit a bird at 200+kph yet ....

Give him time. It'll be black.

[rachprice]

My god, such an amazing weekend!!

I thought the racing in all classes was good! Rookies included

Booked with pole position and went to their opening party on the Friday where they had charity auction. I was regretting my decision not to go VIP, it's so good! Anyway they were auctioning off paddock passes with a tour of cals pit (they sponsor him) he was actually supposed to be there as a guest speaker but was jet-lagged

Anyway I yelled out could they do one and was talking to the owner and he said he had a paddock pass left I could pay half what they did

So anyway I was a guest of the ongetta team who have Jakub kornfeil as one of their riders so got to hang out in their little hospitality tent eating and swanning in and out to get beers

Saturday I managed to watch free practice from the pit lane from Salom and binders pit then managed to get a photo with Pedro (who wasn't as stoked as I was from the look on his face!) was at the gresini pit for qualifying as gordon the ppt guy was taking some gresini hospitality guys there there but one of the organisers for gresini took me too, he said I could come again tomorrow!!
Oh and a tour of cals put from his dad, but he wasn't there, I felt sorry for the guys who had brought the tickets they didn't even get a photo with him!! Kinda made me more not a fan, (though he is riding well for sure) the ppt are sponsors of his!

Sat night rounded off at the brewery where my adopted Norwegian mumma (who was straight up crazy) got burgess's signature

Sunday was an early start, I watched moto3 warm up from the service lane around the track
Went to the pits before gp warm up and along with another chic accosted Lorenzo as he came out for a photo.
Then managed to get in the gresini pit again! They have the best screens with timing break downs, afterwards photos of the bikes being pulled apart and de brief of Bautista

Was stoked to see Jakub do so well in the race but a bit sad he missed the podium, he is a cutie. Got to chat to some of the moto3 kids, salom is funny, brad binder is a cute sweet kid.

Moto2 was good racing! They don't sound too bad in the flesh

Managed to get back into the gresini pit for the race where the organizer took me out to the pit wall during the race, I can't believe how loud they are even with head phones!
Last laps were great!
Then to Prac ferme and the podium!
What madness!!!!!!

Finished with a beer a lie down then the party at a club there where som of the riders and crew were there too and danced and drank too much!

I can see why they call it a circus

Pics to come :)

[Crasherfromwayback]

Moto2 was good racing! They don't sound too bad in the flesh



I'm going to wash your mouth out with soap and water when you get home!

[White trash]

My god, such an amazing weekend!!

I thought the racing in all classes was good! Rookies included

Booked with pole position and went to their opening party on the Friday where they had charity auction. I was regretting my decision not to go VIP, it's so good! Anyway they were auctioning off paddock passes with a tour of cals pit (they sponsor him) he was actually supposed to be there as a guest speaker but was jet-lagged

Anyway I yelled out could they do one and was talking to the owner and he said he had a paddock pass left I could pay half what they did

So anyway I was a guest of the ongetta team who have Jakub kornfeil as one of their riders so got to hang out in their little hospitality tent eating and swanning in and out to get beers

Saturday I managed to watch free practice from the pit lane from Salom and binders pit then managed to get a photo with Pedro (who wasn't as stoked as I was from the look on his face!) was at the gresini pit for qualifying as gordon the ppt guy was taking some gresini hospitality guys there there but one of the organisers for gresini took me too, he said I could come again tomorrow!!
Oh and a tour of cals put from his dad, but he wasn't there, I felt sorry for the guys who had brought the tickets they didn't even get a photo with him!! Kinda made me more not a fan, (though he is riding well for sure) the ppt are sponsors of his!

Sat night rounded off at the brewery where my adopted Norwegian mumma (who was straight up crazy) got burgess's signature

Sunday was an early start, I watched moto3 warm up from the service lane around the track
Went to the pits before gp warm up and along with another chic accosted Lorenzo as he came out for a photo.
Then managed to get in the gresini pit again! They have the best screens with timing break downs, afterwards photos of the bikes being pulled apart and de brief of Bautista

Was stoked to see Jakub do so well in the race but a bit sad he missed the podium, he is a cutie. Got to chat to some of the moto3 kids, salom is funny, brad binder is a cute sweet kid.

Moto2 was good racing! They don't sound too bad in the flesh

Managed to get back into the gresini pit for the race where the organizer took me out to the pit wall during the race, I can't believe how loud they are even with head phones!
Last laps were great!
Then to Prac ferme and the podium!
What madness!!!!!!

Finished with a beer a lie down then the party at a club there where som of the riders and crew were there too and danced and drank too much!

I can see why they call it a circus

Pics to come :)

Isn't it amazing all the cool shit hot chicks get to do when they don't have ugly ol' Pete cramping their style :D

[gixerracer]

I'm going to wash your mouth out with soap and water when you get home!

I bet ya its not soap and water you uez pete:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Isn't it amazing all the cool shit hot chicks get to do when they don't have ugly ol' Pete cramping their style :D

Fucking delightful!


I bet ya its not soap and water you uez pete:yes:

Dunno what you're talking about. :innocent:

[denill]

My god, such an amazing weekend!!

I thought the racing in all classes was good! Rookies included

Booked with pole position and went to their opening party on the Friday where they had charity auction. I was regretting my decision not to go VIP, it's so good! Anyway they were auctioning off paddock passes with a tour of cals pit (they sponsor him) he was actually supposed to be there as a guest speaker but was jet-lagged

Anyway I yelled out could they do one and was talking to the owner and he said he had a paddock pass left I could pay half what they did

So anyway I was a guest of the ongetta team who have Jakub kornfeil as one of their riders so got to hang out in their little hospitality tent eating and swanning in and out to get beers

Saturday I managed to watch free practice from the pit lane from Salom and binders pit then managed to get a photo with Pedro (who wasn't as stoked as I was from the look on his face!) was at the gresini pit for qualifying as gordon the ppt guy was taking some gresini hospitality guys there there but one of the organisers for gresini took me too, he said I could come again tomorrow!!
Oh and a tour of cals put from his dad, but he wasn't there, I felt sorry for the guys who had brought the tickets they didn't even get a photo with him!! Kinda made me more not a fan, (though he is riding well for sure) the ppt are sponsors of his!

Sat night rounded off at the brewery where my adopted Norwegian mumma (who was straight up crazy) got burgess's signature

Sunday was an early start, I watched moto3 warm up from the service lane around the track
Went to the pits before gp warm up and along with another chic accosted Lorenzo as he came out for a photo.
Then managed to get in the gresini pit again! They have the best screens with timing break downs, afterwards photos of the bikes being pulled apart and de brief of Bautista

Was stoked to see Jakub do so well in the race but a bit sad he missed the podium, he is a cutie. Got to chat to some of the moto3 kids, salom is funny, brad binder is a cute sweet kid.

Moto2 was good racing! They don't sound too bad in the flesh

Managed to get back into the gresini pit for the race where the organizer took me out to the pit wall during the race, I can't believe how loud they are even with head phones!
Last laps were great!
Then to Prac ferme and the podium!
What madness!!!!!!

Finished with a beer a lie down then the party at a club there where som of the riders and crew were there too and danced and drank too much!

I can see why they call it a circus

Pics to come :)

Hey Rach. Great to read your account...............

You got a better deal than we did last year. Maybe it helped being a (lonely) chick. It wouldn't have worked if you took Pete!

Fantastic...............:yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

. It wouldn't have worked if you took Pete!

:

I look ok in a miniskirt.

[bistard]

I look ok in a miniskirt.

Mate, you would look like Max Clinger from Mash, Ha ha ha ha, youve even got the nose for it

[Kendog]

My god, such an amazing weekend!!

Insert stunning GP experience here.....

Pics to come :)

That is awesome!!!!
One day we will go see a GP, now I think I need to let Trudes sort out the details and hope I can tag along.

Looking forward to the photos.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mate, you would look like Max Clinger from Mash, Ha ha ha ha, youve even got the nose for it

Funny you should say that. I went to a fancy dress party years ago dressed as him.

[Trudes]

Sweet deal Rach, certainly a once in a life time adventure (well, until next year maybe eh ;))


My god, such an amazing weekend!!

I thought the racing in all classes was good! Rookies included

Booked with pole position and went to their opening party on the Friday where they had charity auction. I was regretting my decision not to go VIP, it's so good! Anyway they were auctioning off paddock passes with a tour of cals pit (they sponsor him) he was actually supposed to be there as a guest speaker but was jet-lagged

Anyway I yelled out could they do one and was talking to the owner and he said he had a paddock pass left I could pay half what they did

So anyway I was a guest of the ongetta team who have Jakub kornfeil as one of their riders so got to hang out in their little hospitality tent eating and swanning in and out to get beers

Saturday I managed to watch free practice from the pit lane from Salom and binders pit then managed to get a photo with Pedro (who wasn't as stoked as I was from the look on his face!) was at the gresini pit for qualifying as gordon the ppt guy was taking some gresini hospitality guys there there but one of the organisers for gresini took me too, he said I could come again tomorrow!!
Oh and a tour of cals put from his dad, but he wasn't there, I felt sorry for the guys who had brought the tickets they didn't even get a photo with him!! Kinda made me more not a fan, (though he is riding well for sure) the ppt are sponsors of his!

Sat night rounded off at the brewery where my adopted Norwegian mumma (who was straight up crazy) got burgess's signature

Sunday was an early start, I watched moto3 warm up from the service lane around the track
Went to the pits before gp warm up and along with another chic accosted Lorenzo as he came out for a photo.
Then managed to get in the gresini pit again! They have the best screens with timing break downs, afterwards photos of the bikes being pulled apart and de brief of Bautista

Was stoked to see Jakub do so well in the race but a bit sad he missed the podium, he is a cutie. Got to chat to some of the moto3 kids, salom is funny, brad binder is a cute sweet kid.

Moto2 was good racing! They don't sound too bad in the flesh

Managed to get back into the gresini pit for the race where the organizer took me out to the pit wall during the race, I can't believe how loud they are even with head phones!
Last laps were great!
Then to Prac ferme and the podium!
What madness!!!!!!

Finished with a beer a lie down then the party at a club there where som of the riders and crew were there too and danced and drank too much!

I can see why they call it a circus

Pics to come :)

[merv]

Yeah lucky girl Rach :yes:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah lucky girl Rach :yes:

I'm sure she won't mind if I share one pic. Seeing as she won't be home for three months before she can load them up properly!269019

[rachprice]

Yes I am a very lucky girl

I do feel a little guilty cos if I was a boy I probably wouldnt have, everyone was so surprised I was travelling alone

Bring on misano aye? I was thinking about going, if I hadnt have booked tickets to turkey i would have

[merv]

Rach are you calling this "work" or are you just plain holidaying without him?

[rachprice]

Im currently in one of the biggest hospitals in the eastern block, neurosurgical
But yes I am enjoying myself too, not working too hard :sweatdrop

[merv]

Nice one :yes:

[slowpoke]

Yes I am a very lucky girl

I do feel a little guilty cos if I was a boy I probably wouldnt have, everyone was so surprised I was travelling alone

Bring on misano aye? I was thinking about going, if I hadnt have booked tickets to turkey i would have

Sorta lucky and sorta not Rach: you put yourself in the right position (don't get any ideas Pete) Fortune favours the brave, lotsa folks wouldn't dream of heading over there on their own, so blardy goodonya Now, if you can just pinch the keys for one of those RC212's......

[roogazza]

Sorta lucky and sorta not Rach: you put yourself in the right position (don't get any ideas Pete) Fortune favours the brave, lotsa folks wouldn't dream of heading over there on their own, so blardy goodonya Now, if you can just pinch the keys for one of those RC212's......

Most people are really surprised the way I travel Spud. A little back pack, my cigars and visa. If I want clothing I buy it.
I hitchhike and train and use people skills to get in anywhere I want. People say "you came from where, just to watch GPs ??!!".
I love travelling that way, no bookings apart from flights and just wing it everyday. :crazy:

[pritch]

This article is translated from the Italian so in places the language is a bit ummm unusual(?).

http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32890_Desmo-whys

[roogazza]

This article is translated from the Italian so in places the language is a bit ummm unusual(?).
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32890_Desmo-whys

Cheers pritch, interesting stuff, thanks.

[Brian d marge]

Very good article , basically what Ive been saying all along ( cant be arsed finding old posts ,,,someone else can) , ,,the ducati has some fundamental design problems , the shape of the engine , which causes the design to more away from the optimal

Ive also mentioned Honda Data base , its HUGE and based on countless fk ups and u cant get near it ! so they arnt gods gift to engineers they just made a hell of a lot of cock ups !!!

Also one thing I thought about , is the lugana seca engine ...where is it ? not happening? ( mask the cornering probs by brute power )

One thing I didnt see , think of , is the swing arm , you rotate the engine to move the cog , down and forward , the sprocket moves away from the swing-arm pivot ( they should be on the same plane ) ,,,so , to keep them close , the swing-arm lengthens ( great pics thanks) and that has inertia , etc

If Ducati sort this and keep the L config , seriously impressed ,,would I be

Hats of to Hayden and Rossi who had to ride the thing ......

Stephen

[Drew]

One thing I didnt see , think of , is the swing arm , you rotate the engine to move the cog , down and forward , the sprocket moves away from the swing-arm pivot ( they should be on the same plane ) ,,,so , to keep them close , the swing-arm lengthens ( great pics thanks) and that has inertia , etc

Mount the swing arm pivot throught the output shaft. PERFECT position all the time, as opposed to the current system which is only spot on at a single swing arm angle.

Dunno why this isn't done.

[denill]

Mount the swing arm pivot throught the output shaft. PERFECT position all the time, as opposed to the current system which is only spot on at a single swing arm angle.

Dunno why this isn't done.

Absolutely! There are some past examples (Can't remember the Maques tho) but why it's not universal defies logic IMO. :mellow:

[denill]

Mount the swing arm pivot throught the output shaft. PERFECT position all the time, as opposed to the current system which is only spot on at a single swing arm angle.

The swing arm pivot does not of course need to go through the output shaft. Just as long as the centre of the pivot is the same as the centre of the output shaft.

[merv]

Absolutely! There are some past examples (Can't remember the Maques tho) but why it's not universal defies logic IMO. :mellow:

Amount of bracing required probably and nowhere to put it.

[denill]

Absolutely! There are some past examples (Can't remember the Maques tho) but why it's not universal defies logic IMO. :mellow:

Husqvarna: CTS - Coaxial Traction System - http://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/en/motorcycles/product/SMR511#!/highlights

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mount the swing arm pivot throught the output shaft. PERFECT position all the time, as opposed to the current system which is only spot on at a single swing arm angle.

Dunno why this isn't done.

There's nothing wrong with seperating the various forces involved. Just gotta control them better that the next fucker.

And moto-x bikes are the perfect example. Nothing wrong with a swingarm going through it's arc if the swingarm pivot vs the front countershaft is correct.

[Brian d marge]

There's nothing wrong with seperating the various forces involved. Just gotta control them better that the next fucker.

And moto-x bikes are the perfect example. Nothing wrong with a swingarm going through it's arc if the swingarm pivot vs the front countershaft is correct.

Dont come back in the next life as a chain on a mx bike then ....

Stephen

[slowpoke]

This article is translated from the Italian so in places the language is a bit ummm unusual(?).

http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32890_Desmo-whys

Great find Pritch, one of the best articles I've read relating to the current predicament Ducati/Preziosi find themselves in. I admit to wondering why the hell Preziosi still had a job, but this fills in a few blanks. The Audi deal might help them long term but if anything it has hurt them with delays this season.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Dont come back in the next life as a chain on a mx bike then ....

Stephen

Dude. Early MX bikes caned them. By the late 70's early 80's they moved the s/a pivot that close to the countershaft they'd all but fixed the issues that go with it. It's often the height between that s/a pivot and the c/s that needs changing to get better results now no?

Hence why countershaft through s/a pivot ain't the answer. If it was...I think those very clever wee Japanese fellows would be doing it too.

[denill]

Hence why countershaft through s/a pivot ain't the answer. If it was...I think those very clever wee Japanese fellows would be doing it too.


I can't accept it's not the answer. In fact I consider it''s the ultimate solution. :yes: :yes:

[Brian d marge]

Dude. Early MX bikes caned them. By the late 70's early 80's they moved the s/a pivot that close to the countershaft they'd all but fixed the issues that go with it. It's often the height between that s/a pivot and the c/s that needs changing to get better results now no?

Hence why countershaft through s/a pivot ain't the answer. If it was...I think those very clever wee Japanese fellows would be doing it too.

They didnt fix it , they just masked the problem , with a guide and wheel , essentially you have two arcs and at one point will those align, the more rear wheel or greater disparity between those arc the worse the chain suffers , what is a modern MX bike , over an inch slack WITH tensioning wheels

I think BMW are one maker that have managed to align the two , The worst design was the plunger set up


Stephen

[Drew]

The chain suffering is not the problem. The distance between the sprockets changes with the swing arm in different positions, so the engine is fighting the suspension going through it's travel at some point. By making swing arm pivot and sprocket center the same, there is so much more control available it aint funny.

When I say mount the pivot through the output shaft, I mean on the same axis. Not trying to put a bolt through the shaft, although that would work pretty easily.

But I'm no engineer, there might be a reason it isn't done.

[Rcktfsh]

I can't accept it's not the answer. In fact I consider it''s the ultimate solution. :yes: :yes:

Bimota where doing it in the mid 70's.

http://classicmechanics.classicbikersclub.com/articles/2012-02/bimota-sb2

[Brian d marge]

good point didnt think of the suspension "feeling" , one of the first things i think about why it isnt popular...is changing the front sprocket...
back on topic,
thanks for that link, i downloaded the sketch of the duke onto me etch a sketch and ,i see other things as well , fuel 23 kg right there....on the hondas u can put it low and forward.....duke...yes well
i always root the underdog ...sorry root for the underdog ...go ducati....i hope they can pull this off

stephen

[denill]

Bimota where doing it in the mid 70's.

http://classicmechanics.classicbikersclub.com/articles/2012-02/bimota-sb2

Yep, EVERYTHING has been done before..............

"the swingarm pivoted on the same axis as the drive-chain sprocket so that the single spring-damper unit – another innovation – was less affected by the power delivery."

[bogan]

The chain suffering is not the problem. The distance between the sprockets changes with the swing arm in different positions, so the engine is fighting the suspension going through it's travel at some point.

The engine fights the suspension even with a concentric setup, through the chain tension force, its always trying to pull the rear wheel up. Its like holding a 10kg weight at arms length, plenty of force needed to keep it there, but more force required to lift it up quickly, the amount of 'lift' being how much the chain length changes due to shaft distances. Thats a textbook explanation anyway, how much effect those things have on the ride/control I have no idea.

[denill]

The engine fights the suspension even with a concentric setup, through the chain tension force, its always trying to pull the rear wheel up. Its like holding a 10kg weight at arms length, plenty of force needed to keep it there, but more force required to lift it up quickly, the amount of 'lift' being how much the chain length changes due to shaft distances. Thats a textbook explanation anyway, how much effect those things have on the ride/control I have no idea.

In the 70s I would have bet big money that chain would not be the popular transmission medium now.........

Even then it was an archaic and energy sapping means of transmitting power to the rear wheel. Automobiles had long ago moved away from chain drive. (Imagine an FI with chain drive?) Yet it's still with us??? :pinch:

[Crasherfromwayback]

In the 70s I would have bet big money that chain would not be the popular transmission medium now.........

. Automobiles had long ago moved away from chain drive. (Imagine an FI with chain drive?) Yet it's still with us??? :pinch:

Can't be comparing cars to bikes mate. Chain or belt is by far still the best way to go for bikes as compared to shafts etc.

[Crasherfromwayback]

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120828llp.htm

[rachprice]

Most people are really surprised the way I travel Spud. A little back pack, my cigars and visa. If I want clothing I buy it.
I hitchhike and train and use people skills to get in anywhere I want. People say "you came from where, just to watch GPs ??!!".
I love travelling that way, no bookings apart from flights and just wing it everyday. :crazy:

I LOVE this!
If I had enough money I would do this!!

I wish I could hitchhike but at the end of the day a young(ish) girl alone, it's just not safe. I wish it was but as much as I think I can look after myself there are just some situations I shouldnt put myself in.

Have you done the VIP thing? While I loved it I think I missed a lot of the atmosphere, there were heaps of people there and I didn't even realize. The paddock is quite isolated. I recommend it but not every time.

Next question what the hell is spies gonna do????

[Drew]

Next question what the hell is spies gonna do????Status quo. Go good for two laps, then have it all turn to shit. For the rest of this season anyway. Blame the bike all ya want, he's obviously fuckin hard on the gear.

Would love to see him ride a gixxer in superbikes to be honest.

[roogazza]

I LOVE this!
If I had enough money I would do this!!

I wish I could hitchhike but at the end of the day a young(ish) girl alone, it's just not safe. I wish it was but as much as I think I can look after myself there are just some situations I shouldnt put myself in.

Have you done the VIP thing? While I loved it I think I missed a lot of the atmosphere, there were heaps of people there and I didn't even realize. The paddock is quite isolated. I recommend it but not every time.

Next question what the hell is spies gonna do????

Boy , do I have a deal for you !! haha (don't tell pete though)

Yes I love doing it my way, first time I got off the train at Borge San lorenzo some Italians just happened to come out of their house as I passed and one recognised a Crosby T shirt I had on.
I ended up drinking their home made Grappa and their daughter rang around looking for Accom. (I didn't know where I was going or even cared) They even got dressed up and took me 15kms to a hotel that she had found. ( I have stayed their ever since ).
Many, many experiences like that. Lovely people.
One thing leads to another, I then met a (now) friend at that hotel who has been involved with GPs for 33 years ! Elf fuel. He slips me a pass that is 'gold' I can wander anywhere . True I think about the VIP thing, I always do that stuff on the first day and from then on just roam.
Yes, anyone can get caught out in some places like I did in Barcelona once. I think being an ex copper helps with my judgement of people and being street smart.
I have many tales of my experiences.

[merv]

Next question what the hell is spies gonna do????

I reckon he should try the Honda coz it looks like Suzuki aren't coming to play for another year yet. Problem is though he is a big guy compared to the others so he probably doesn't fit the Honda so well as it is rather compact which suits Pedro and Casey. I remember a while back Nicky not being too happy when they went from the 990 to the 800 they downsized the bike a lot and he found it too small. The new 1000 looks much like the 800 did.

I'm hoping for his sake a new team would bring him new motivation.

p.s. Rach we'd love to see your photos of course!

[Mental Trousers]

Status quo. Go good for two laps, then have it all turn to shit. For the rest of this season anyway. Blame the bike all ya want, he's obviously fuckin hard on the gear.

He is hard on gear but once there's run of bad luck is over anything he'll touch will turn to gold I reckon.


Would love to see him ride a gixxer in superbikes to be honest.

He'd be slow(-ish neither Hopper nor Camier can get those pigs moving) and still be breaking shit.

[denill]

Boy , do I have a deal for you !! haha (don't tell pete though)

Yes I love doing it my way, first time I got off the train at Borge San lorenzo some Italians just happened to come out of their house as I passed and one recognised a Crosby T shirt I had on.
I ended up drinking their home made Grappa and their daughter rang around looking for Accom. (I didn't know where I was going or even cared) They even got dressed up and took me 15kms to a hotel that she had found. ( I have stayed their ever since ).
Many, many experiences like that. Lovely people.
One thing leads to another, I then met a (now) friend at that hotel who has been involved with GPs for 33 years ! Elf fuel. He slips me a pass that is 'gold' I can wander anywhere . True I think about the VIP thing, I always do that stuff on the first day and from then on just roam.
Yes, anyone can get caught out in some places like I did in Barcelona once. I think being an ex copper helps with my judgement of people and being street smart.
I have many tales of my experiences.

Waiting for the book Gaz...................

[pritch]

Yes, anyone can get caught out in some places like I did in Barcelona once.

Wot a tease! :yes:

I think it was Tristan Jones, the single handed sailor, said something like,
"If in danger or in doubt, hoist your sails and fuck off out."

[Drew]

He'd be slow(-ish neither Hopper nor Camier can get those pigs moving) and still be breaking shit.

Hopper turned to shit as soon as he got off the one season he had on an American superbike and went to GP. Why do you think he would be able to make it go great.

Noikershner (spelt completely wrong but you might know who I mean) and Haslem made the gixxer go good. The german mofo was leading the championship when some fuckwit came through and shattered his leg.

[BMWST?]

having the c/s sprocket slightly above or below the swingarm pivot can affect the interaction the chain has on the rear wheel/suspension,which of course can be a good thing or not (traction or squat)

[Mental Trousers]

Noikershner (spelt completely wrong but you might know who I mean) and Haslem made the gixxer go good. The german mofo was leading the championship when some fuckwit came through and shattered his leg.

How long ago was that? Not this year.

[Drew]

How long ago was that? Not this year.Three years ago was Haslem and then he started crashing lots, year before was the German fella.

[Mental Trousers]

It's still the same bike as then. Everything else has moved on and improved. Even the CBR got lots of updated shit (no major redesign but lots of updates).

[merv]

Interesting story on Soup about Suzuki and its finances here http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Aug/120830suz.htm

Given how well the Swift sells in NZ I'm rather surprised that the folk in the USA don't lap them up too for little runabouts coz they sure as hell like little Hondas, but this article says that a withdrawal of the cars from USA was one possibility. I thought the Yanks had got over buying just pickup trucks and SUVs and that being the case anyway how come there isn't enough money in Suzuki SUVs?

See the sales figures here http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html Toyota and Honda are racing ahead catching up after Japan earthquake and Suzuki has just tanked. No wonder there is no money at that company.

Someone else can check out motorcycle sales but maybe it shows the same bad data. No money certainly means no good for MotoGP effort.

[onearmedbandit]

I remember a while back Nicky not being too happy when they went from the 990 to the 800 they downsized the bike a lot and he found it too small.!

I remember him saying that the lack of torque from the 800 made it harder for him to rear wheel steer the bike.

[slowpoke]

Boy , do I have a deal for you !! haha (don't tell pete though)

Yes I love doing it my way, first time I got off the train at Borge San lorenzo some Italians just happened to come out of their house as I passed and one recognised a Crosby T shirt I had on.
I ended up drinking their home made Grappa and their daughter rang around looking for Accom. (I didn't know where I was going or even cared) They even got dressed up and took me 15kms to a hotel that she had found. ( I have stayed their ever since ).
Many, many experiences like that. Lovely people.
One thing leads to another, I then met a (now) friend at that hotel who has been involved with GPs for 33 years ! Elf fuel. He slips me a pass that is 'gold' I can wander anywhere . True I think about the VIP thing, I always do that stuff on the first day and from then on just roam.
Yes, anyone can get caught out in some places like I did in Barcelona once. I think being an ex copper helps with my judgement of people and being street smart.
I have many tales of my experiences.


Waiting for the book Gaz...................

Yep, a signed copy this way please!

[Crasherfromwayback]

I remember him saying that the lack of torque from the 800 made it harder for him to rear wheel steer the bike.

Didn't stop Stoner. :innocent: Have I mentioned turn three at PI?

[slowpoke]

Hopper turned to shit as soon as he got off the one season he had on an American superbike and went to GP. Why do you think he would be able to make it go great.

Noikershner (spelt completely wrong but you might know who I mean) and Haslem made the gixxer go good. The german mofo was leading the championship when some fuckwit came through and shattered his leg.

Same here mate, I'm not sure what the big deal is with Hopper.

[denill]

He is hard on gear but once there's run of bad luck is over anything he'll touch will turn to gold I reckon.

Spies is a better rider than we've seen in 2012. And I can not subscribe to him being hard on gear. eg: Like the shock failure at Laguna..............

[denill]

Noikershner (spelt completely wrong but you might know who I mean) and Haslem made the gixxer go good. The german mofo was leading the championship when some fuckwit came through and shattered his leg.

That was Checa who rode like an idiot to take out Max Neukirchner on the last corner at Valencia while Neukirchner was leading.

It wrecked a promising career....................

[onearmedbandit]

Didn't stop Stoner. :innocent: Have I mentioned turn three at PI?

Why I don't believe you have.

[slowpoke]

Spies is a better rider than we've seen in 2012. And I can not subscribe to him being hard on gear. eg: Like the shock failure at Laguna..............

Agreed. Tech 3 and Factory Yamaha ride last year no drama's, this year: subframe failure, swingarm (shock?) failure, tyre chunking (wasn't alone that day), engine pop, even the clutch incident (telemetry shows normal launch, nothing unusual) can't be seen as Speez' fault. Add in food poisoning that had him nearly passing out on the bike and he must have run over a leprechaun with a lawnmower or something.

[Drew]

That was Checa who rode like an idiot to take out Max Neukirchner on the last corner at Valencia while Neukirchner was leading.

It wrecked a promising career....................

I thought he got taken out turn one lap one on the Suzuki and had to sit out the rest of that season from a leg turned to mush. Then came back on a Honda and got hit again and called it quits.

Dude was seriously talented.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Why I don't believe you have.

lol. Thought you'd like that!

[denill]

I thought he got taken out turn one lap one on the Suzuki and had to sit out the rest of that season from a leg turned to mush.

That was another occasion.

http://www.crash.net/world+superbikes/news/146610/1/neukirchner_suffers_broken_femur.html

[denill]

Checa vs Neukirchner:

http://odiffikasithemotorcycle-mobil.blogspot.com/2008/04/checa-takes-out-neukirchner-lanzi-wins.html

[Cleve]

Checa vs Neukirchner:

http://odiffikasithemotorcycle-mobil.blogspot.com/2008/04/checa-takes-out-neukirchner-lanzi-wins.html

and Neukirchner has been hanging out in Moto2 recently.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Neukirchner

[actungbaby]

Can't be comparing cars to bikes mate. Chain or belt is by far still the best way to go for bikes as compared to shafts etc.

Seems strange to me more bike companys havent jumped onto belt drive or even people made conversions for bikes

I mean i love belt drive be more contant contact no maintenace am not sure you have to ajust them though

[Crasherfromwayback]

Seems strange to me more bike companys havent jumped onto belt drive or even people made conversions for bikes

I mean i love belt drive be more contant contact no maintenace am not sure you have to ajust them though

Kawasaki have won multiple world GP titles with belt drive on their KR250's and 350's.

[Drew]

Seems strange to me more bike companys havent jumped onto belt drive or even people made conversions for bikes

I mean i love belt drive be more contant contact no maintenace am not sure you have to ajust them though


Kawasaki have won multiple world GP titles with belt drive on their KR250's and 350's.

It's still way less efficient though.

[Crasherfromwayback]

It's still way less efficient though.

Nice and clean but...

[roogazza]

Kawasaki have won multiple world GP titles with belt drive on their KR250's and 350's.

I wasn't awhere of that ? Was that later on after Ballington and Hansford did their thing ?

[Crasherfromwayback]

I wasn't awhere of that ? Was that later on after Ballington and Hansford did their thing ?

Can't remember what years sorry Big Fella!

[roogazza]

Can't remember what years sorry Big Fella!

Maybe a bit later, early 80's.What was his name, Anton Mang ?
Oh, and not so much Big now,a petite 90kg !!!!!!!! :eek5:

[GD66]

Kawasaki have won multiple world GP titles with belt drive on their KR250's and 350's.




Belt drive was used on the KR250s they ran in the States but I'll bet my left one that Ballington and Mang both used chain drive in their title wins.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Belt drive was used on the KR250s they ran in the States but I'll bet my left one that Ballington and Mang both used chain drive in their title wins.

I'm not prepared to 'match' that bet! Bet my right one years ago...:innocent:

[BMWST?]

Belt drive was used on the KR250s they ran in the States but I'll bet my left one that Ballington and Mang both used chain drive in their title wins.

looks awfully like a chain to me (KR350)
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[Crasherfromwayback]

looks awfully like a chain to me (KR350)
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Sure is. And what a gorgeous wee bike it is too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Belt drive was used on the KR250s they ran in the States but I'll bet my left one that Ballington and Mang both used chain drive in their title wins.

That would make sense to me now. Thought they all ran belts. My bad. Maybe with the American market having the LTD750 cruiser with belt drive they felt the need to prove how good/versatile it was? Or was that after the KR's time? I know the later GPZ305's etc used belt.

[merv]

Crasher here's a story for you about KR250's on Soup http://www.superbikeplanet.com/kr250.htm

Interesting Aaron was on the experimental 1992 model and they do say in the 80's belt drive was used but seeing its Yanks talking maybe it was only in USA.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Belt drive was used on the KR250s they ran in the States but I'll bet my left one that Ballington and Mang both used chain drive in their title wins.

Some of these bikes don't look like Eddie's...the last one certainly is though.

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"The latter KR250s were known for their novel technical advances: the eighties bike had belt final drive, a single rear shock on one side of the swingarm, some had steel rotary valves, some fiberglass." As per usual practice with works bikes. Fucking hard to know what went down when!

[merv]

Yeah now where did that get us? That's right, how come back then Kawasaki could build race bikes and now they are nowhere? They do build these though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N700_Series_Shinkansen so you'd think there'd still be some money in the family.

Why is it Honda and Yamaha are the only ones making it at the top level of MotoGP?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah now where did that get us? That's right, how come back then Kawasaki could build race bikes and now they are nowhere?

Why is it Honda and Yamaha are the only ones making it at the top level?

They lost the love for it is my guess. Back in the day...when men were men and they rode two strokes...things were very different.

They all had a go. Dickie Lawton from Lawton And Boyle could go to Daytona with his home ported T500 and smoke the factories. Cagiva could build one. Swiss Auto...etc etc.

Introduce four strokes and electronics and say goodbye.

[merv]

You'd think with the electronics technology going into the other stuff KHI builds that it would still be easy peasy for them and they've fitted all the latest bells and whistles to the ZX10R.

Yeah so must be they lost the love for it - more beauty in a bullet train eh - don't think Honda compete with them there.

[Crasherfromwayback]

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Yeah so must be they lost the love for it - more beauty in a bullet train eh - don't think Honda compete with them there.

To me the sport is fucked up now. Motorcycles and motorcyclists used to be all about getting stuck in, and doing it yourself. We were different from the av retard that drove a car. We'd fix our fucking bike on the side of the road, we'd at least have a go. We'd race bikes and learn ourselves how to make them go faster...tune them ourselves.

I have no issue with the march of modern technology...I just think it belongs in Superbikes (production based racing) not Grand Prix racing.

With the death of the all mighty two stroke the sport is dying with it.

[merv]

Wasn't it great when things weren't so professional.

I started out in trials and scrambles at Hawkes Bay club - entry on a Sunday was about 20 cents or 50 cents back then. No one worried about flash bikes and flash gear too much. I had lace up boots back then and at a Mini TT out at Cust when I was living in ChCh I broke a lace and simply replaced it with binder twine and kept on going for the day.

All sports are suffering the same thing with money being king now and when the GFC is on there just isn't enough to feed it. Also there are now so many other things to get involved with your time is split a lot more and the youth of today don't eat, sleep and breathe bikes like we did.

Are the youth of today watching MotoGP at all?

Haha we must be getting bored - bring on the next round.

[BMWST?]

To me the sport is fucked up now. Motorcycles and motorcyclists used to be all about getting stuck in, and doing it yourself. We were different from the av retard that drove a car. We'd fix our fucking bike on the side of the road, we'd at least have a go. We'd race bikes and learn ourselves how to make them go faster...tune them ourselves.

I have no issue with the march of modern technology...I just think it belongs in Superbikes (production based racing) not Grand Prix racing.

With the death of the all mighty two stroke the sport is dying with it.


i think the two strokes should have been allowed to stay in,and the four strokes been 750 or 800 cc from the start,with limited electronics...possibly "basic" traction control to try to limit the highsides.

[Crasherfromwayback]

i think the two strokes should have been allowed to stay in,and the four strokes been 750 or 800 cc from the start,with limited electronics...possibly "basic" traction control to try to limit the highsides.

I've seen as many (if not more) nasty highsides in the last couple of years as I did when two strokes were around.

[denill]

the youth of today don't eat, sleep and breathe bikes like we did.

Are the youth of today watching MotoGP at all?

Good points. They don't even buy/ride bikes like they used to either Merv. The place is going to hell in a hand cart....................... ;)

[slowpoke]

I've seen as many (if not more) nasty highsides in the last couple of years as I did when two strokes were around.

I hear where you're coming from mate but I reckon the coverage has a lot to do with it. We see everything these days, different angles, super slo mo, gyro onboards, live, delayed and on the net etc etc. We get fantastic vision of when they do happen, and you get the occassional round like that shit Indy track but I don't think they are quite as frequent as the good ol' days. I picked up a DVD of the 1990 season recently: Rainey, Lawson, Gardner, Sarron, Schwantz and co and this stuff was happening every single race, and the commentators hardly miss a beat it's that normal. There sure are some corkers now though, and I reckon the higher corner speeds result in higher highsides (highersides?). Remember Lorenzo in his first year on the M1? Absolutely vertical, upside down 5 foot off the ground? I don't remember seeing them quite that vicious in earlier years.

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[eelracing]

With the death of the all mighty two stroke the sport is dying with it.



i think the two strokes should have been allowed to stay in



I the good ol' days. I picked up a DVD of the 1990 season recently: Rainey, Lawson, Gardner, Sarron, Schwantz and co and this stuff was happening



Haha we must be getting bored - bring on the next round.


Times are tough,you have to take your two stroke kicks where you can get them.....


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[manxkiwi]

Some of these bikes don't look like Eddie's...the last one certainly is though.

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"The latter KR250s were known for their novel technical advances: the eighties bike had belt final drive, a single rear shock on one side of the swingarm, some had steel rotary valves, some fiberglass." As per usual practice with works bikes. Fucking hard to know what went down when!



They also tried gear driven counter rotating front discs! I saw one in the flesh on display in a shop window (might have been the 350?). Needless to say it didn't get too far. Not sure if they even actually raced it? But they did build it.

As they say, not much new these days.

[Badjelly]

Are the youth of today watching MotoGP at all?


Good points. They don't even buy/ride bikes like they used to either Merv. The place is going to hell in a hand cart....................... ;)

Excuse me. Has this thread been renamed Old Codgers Anonymous while I wasn't looking?

If you hadn't put that smiley in denill, I'd be seriously worried.

[Shorty_925]

With the death of the all mighty two stroke the sport is dying with it.

I'd say that is correct, and its across all codes, road and off road not matter what it is.

The only code I see still going strong with 2-strokes is Trials. Honda(Montesa) run 4-strokes, though every other manufacture is still going strong with the 2 strokes.

[tail_end_charlie]

Excuse me. Has this thread been renamed Old Codgers Anonymous while I wasn't looking?

I was thinking the same thing. Pretty sure the thread title is MotoGP 2012, not who beat Fred Flinestone in the last millennium.

[george formby]

I was thinking the same thing. Pretty sure the thread title is MotoGP 2012, not who beat Fred Flinestone in the last millennium.

If nothing else it highlights the gulf between modern Motogp & the quality of racing we had in the dinosaur era.

[Crasherfromwayback]

If nothing else it highlights the gulf between modern Motogp & the quality of racing we had in the dinosaur era.

I actually beg to differ. I've been watching old races here at work on our tellys...and I saw nearly all of them at the time too. Sure there's the odd humdinger of a race with multiple lead changes...but they're the rarity rather than the norm trust me. Nothing much has changed.

[george formby]

I actually beg to differ. I've been watching old races here at work on our tellys...and I saw nearly all of them at the time too. Sure there's the odd humdinger of a race with multiple lead changes...but they're the rarity rather than the norm trust me. Nothing much has changed.

Ahh, that would mean my rose tinted spectacles need a wipe, but on the brightside a little youthful enthusiasm must be lingering too.

[5150]

I actually beg to differ. I've been watching old races here at work on our tellys...and I saw nearly all of them at the time too. Sure there's the odd humdinger of a race with multiple lead changes...but they're the rarity rather than the norm trust me. Nothing much has changed.

Best racing.... Hmm lets see. My pic would be any battle between Rainey and Schwantz in the two smoker era. Those two could battle it out till cows came home. 92 or 93 at Assen, where after multiple lead changes Schwantz pulled the last chicane trick on Rainey and shut the door behind.

[imdying]

I actually beg to differ. I've been watching old races here at work on our tellys...and I saw nearly all of them at the time too. Sure there's the odd humdinger of a race with multiple lead changes...but they're the rarity rather than the norm trust me. Nothing much has changed.Could not agree more.

[tail_end_charlie]

I actually beg to differ. I've been watching old races here at work on our tellys...and I saw nearly all of them at the time too. Sure there's the odd humdinger of a race with multiple lead changes...but they're the rarity rather than the norm trust me. Nothing much has changed.

As my dad always used to say, "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

Now back to current affairs.......................I really wish Ben would tell us where he is going.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I really wish Ben would tell us where he is going.

I agree. He'd be a loss to Moto GP I reckon. I still don't think we've seen the best of him.

[tail_end_charlie]

Oh yeah, he is definately way better then he has shown this year. Maybe he would be better suited (with his SBK background) to the point and shoot Honda rather than the GP style Yamaha? So therefore the Gresini Honda ride might be a pretty sweet deal for him to take next year. And a one year contract there might set him up sweet to go to Suzuki in 2014, if they get their shit together.

I also think he was right when he said that if he got out of MotoGP now, it would be unlikely that he would get back in later down the track. At least not on a factory team. Play his cards right though, ride a Honda next year and he may be able to work it out as the lead rider for Suzuki when/if they come back. If they don't, worry about that then.

[Mental Trousers]

I agree. He'd be a loss to Moto GP I reckon. I still don't think we've seen the best of him.

Only seen a little of what he can do so far. The race he won there was no one on the planet that could've gotten close. Since then we've only seen brief glimpses here and there.

[DidJit]

Goes to show how many things these guys need to get going for them — the right headspace, bike, set-up, crew, team dynamics, etc.

[Maido]

Goes to show how many things these guys need to get going for them — the right headspace, bike, set-up, crew, team dynamics, etc.

and Ohlins ay Robert ;P

[tail_end_charlie]

and Ohlins ay Robert ;P

Ha ha, evidently that is true. One of the points of discussion with Gresini was that they use Showa instead of the gold bling. :eek5: I think they are the only team that arn't running Ohlins.

[Drew]

I agree. He'd be a loss to Moto GP I reckon. I still don't think we've seen the best of him.


Oh yeah, he is definately way better then he has shown this year. Maybe he would be better suited (with his SBK background) to the point and shoot Honda rather than the GP style Yamaha? So therefore the Gresini Honda ride might be a pretty sweet deal for him to take next year. And a one year contract there might set him up sweet to go to Suzuki in 2014, if they get their shit together.

I also think he was right when he said that if he got out of MotoGP now, it would be unlikely that he would get back in later down the track. At least not on a factory team. Play his cards right though, ride a Honda next year and he may be able to work it out as the lead rider for Suzuki when/if they come back. If they don't, worry about that then.


Only seen a little of what he can do so far. The race he won there was no one on the planet that could've gotten close. Since then we've only seen brief glimpses here and there.

Where does that thinking come from?

I can't wait for Suzuki to come back to GP, but I don't think Spies is the man for the job.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Where does that thinking come from?

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Because anyone that's won a race and put it on the box deserves to be there far more than some cunt running around making up the numbers. I mean fuck...bet you think Colin Edwards deserves to be there? And hey...I love the guy. I think he's funny as fuck. But he's not to this day won a GP.

[Mental Trousers]

Where does that thinking come from?

I can't wait for Suzuki to come back to GP, but I don't think Spies is the man for the job.

Things like a quote from Casey Stoner


Ben worried me from lap one. When I saw how hard he was getting on the throttle and how much lean angle he had but still going round the corners and not going wide, I didn't have that confidence and I couldn't lay the bike down and get on the gas like he could

The first few laps of that race he was riding exactly like he did when won at Assen. Unfortunately the tyre fell apart and he had to settle for 5th place.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Things like a quote from Casey Stoner


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Stoner doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's nothing but a spoilt lil kid and a moaner. He's weak as piss, and a quitter.

Ask the experts.

[Drew]

Stoner doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's nothing but a spoilt lil kid and a moaner. He's weak as piss, and a quitter.

Ask the experts.Change the record Pete, for the love of Christ. I have never said he didn't know what he was talking about, or that he wasn't a fuckin fantastic rider. I don't like the way he talks about stuff, I don't obsess over it the way you seem to obsess that people might have said the above.

[SS90]

Stoner doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. He's nothing but a spoilt lil kid and a moaner. He's weak as piss, and a quitter.


You have finally come round to my way of thinking!
Shame about all those wasted posts defending him!:scooter:

[Brian d marge]

I agree. He'd be a loss to Moto GP I reckon. I still don't think we've seen the best of him.

Something funny going on there , I suspect its spies mother that may have ruffled a few feathers

just a guess

Stephen