MotoGP 2012 [Archive] - Page 4

slowpoke

14th April 2012, 22:39

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120413-1046.htm

KRjr's timing comments re Rossi could equally be applied to Stoner. He climbed onto the Duc at the perfect time with a good bike (proven by Capirossi and Bayliss) and a tyre advantage with the Bridgestones. Then jumped off the Ducati pendulum going backwards onto the Honda pendulum swinging forwards. Timing is everything and Stoner has done brilliantly picking his rides.

. The Duke is an enigma to everyone but a certain Honda rider.

Everyone keeps writing about Stoner as though he could jump on the Duc and win the championship...it's just not the case. 2010 in his last season on it he had 5 DNF's, and 4 races where he finished off the podium (3 x 5th and a 4th), to finish 4th in the championship....behind Rossi who missed 4 races with a broken leg. Stoner scored 225points to Lorenzo's 383.

Lets face it the Duc of recent times is an enigma to every bloody one, including that certain Honda rider. If Stoner was on the GP12 he'd be just as fucked as Rossi and Hayden, maybe even more so because i reckon he'd crash more often trying to flog the dead horse. After breaking himself one too many times it'd be Stoner, not Rossi, who'd be scanning saturday's paper for Situations Vacant in WSBK in 2013.

trustme

15th April 2012, 06:20

I'd agree that even Stoner struggled to get his head around the Duke , but so far only he has been able to be even remotely competitive on it. Could he win a championship on it, of course not , as KRjnr talked about he had to consistently over ride the bike resulting in more crashes & little chance for a title. Rossi looked at Stoners telemetry & said he would not be riding it in that extreme style, look at the results or lack of them.
The Dukes remain an enigma, I must admit I really believed Rossi & more particularly Burgess would get on top of it but apparently not.

denill

15th April 2012, 08:30

The Dukes remain an enigma, I must admit I really believed Rossi & more particularly Burgess would get on top of it but apparently not.

Yep. Me too!

I could have lost a lot of money on that if I was a betting man. :facepalm:

BMWST?

15th April 2012, 09:12

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattroberts/2012/04/crutchlows_style_has_substance.html

there is another guy in his team with maybe even more poetry in him

trev

15th April 2012, 09:27

If Stoner was on the GP12 he'd be just as fucked as Rossi and Hayden, maybe even more so .

If he was given the huge increase in support from Ducati that Rossi has received I'm not so sure Stoner would be fucked.

Crasherfromwayback

15th April 2012, 10:40

KRjr's timing comments re Rossi could equally be applied to Stoner. He climbed onto the Duc at the perfect time with a good bike (proven by Capirossi and Bayliss) and a tyre advantage with the Bridgestones. Then jumped off the Ducati pendulum going backwards onto the Honda pendulum swinging forwards. Timing is everything and Stoner has done brilliantly picking his rides.

The 1000cc Ducati was no doubt quite different to the 800cc Stoner first rode. And who says the Bridgestones were the superior tyre?

Stoner would more than likely have four or more titles had he been on either the Yamaha or the Honda the whole time. It obviously pains a lot of people...but he's the fastest guy in the world on a motorycle right now. Has been for a while.

rachprice

15th April 2012, 11:43

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattroberts/2012/04/crutchlows_style_has_substance.html

Hey I didn't say he didn't ride very well.....I just think he is an arrogant douche :bleh:

Oscar

15th April 2012, 13:02

The 1000cc Ducati was no doubt quite different to the 800cc Stoner first rode. And who says the Bridgestones were the superior tyre?

Stoner would more than likely have four or more titles had he been on either the Yamaha or the Honda the whole time. It obviously pains a lot of people...but he's the fastest guy in the world on a motorycle right now. Has been for a while.

The fastest guy in the world?
One of the fastest, maybe.
The best rider on sub-standard machinery, definitely.
Also I don't think "..the fastest guy in the world.." would be so underdone as to suffer from arm pump.

There are several guys out there, including Dani & George, and maybe even Marc, who may be as fast or faster.
Until there's a race where fully fit riders race on identical machines, we'll never know.

roogazza

15th April 2012, 13:12

Interesting,
http://manziana.motocorse.com/blog/32163_Quo_vadis_english.php

Crasherfromwayback

15th April 2012, 16:19

Also I don't think "..the fastest guy in the world.." would be so underdone as to suffer from arm pump.

.

You should know full well Oscar that that can happen to anyone at any time. Fitness ain't got fuck all to do with it.

Oscar

15th April 2012, 16:29

You should know full well Oscar that that can happen to anyone at any time. Fitness ain't got fuck all to do with it.

It's a long time ago, but I only recall suffering from arm pump as a novice.
When we rode all weekend, every weekend (enduro, hare scrambles and trail rides) it wasn't a problem.

Crasherfromwayback

15th April 2012, 17:25

It's a long time ago, but I only recall suffering from arm pump as a novice.
When we rode all weekend, every weekend (enduro, hare scrambles and trail rides) it wasn't a problem.

Many a top racer wether it be moto-x or road racing has had to have operations to fix it mate. Doubt people like Freddie Spencer or Nicky Hayden could be classed as either unfit or novices.

codgyoleracer

17th April 2012, 11:36

Many a top racer wether it be moto-x or road racing has had to have operations to fix it mate. Doubt people like Freddie Spencer or Nicky Hayden could be classed as either unfit or novices.

Yip, its a bit of a prick of a thing to 'catch". I have had it occur twice to me, in both cases it was on a new bike and i had not 'set up" bars, pegs, seat height to how i like them. Tight riding gear is another cause also.
Its weird how just a small change to bar height or angle can totally eliminate the problem (or cause it)

The other thing that is difficult to comprehend for many is just how damm hard you are pulling on those bars to make the bike steer (particularily for fast turns), - evidence of this is when a handlebar will 'spin" on the staunchion - but when you come into the pits to adjust it back in a hurry, - you need a mate or a big hammer to pull on it.........

Crasherfromwayback

17th April 2012, 11:43

Yip, its a bit of a prick of a thing to 'catch". I have had it occur twice to me, in both cases it was on a new bike and i had not 'set up" bars, pegs, seat height to how i like them. Tight riding gear is another cause also.
Its weird how just a small change to bar height or angle can totally eliminate the problem (or cause it)

The other thing that is difficult to comprehend for many is just how damm hard you are pulling on those bars to make the bike steer (particularily for fast turns), - evidence of this is when a handlebar will 'spin" on the staunchion - but when you come into the pits to adjust it back in a hurry, - you need a mate or a big hammer to pull on it.........

Yep. Every now and then I'd get it 'out of the blue'...and it ain't fun. When racing moto-x, it was normally me having the death grip on the bars! Hard to remind yourself to relax sometimes when a 450 4t or 500 two stroke is doing it's best to stomp on your head.

And you're absolutely right about the forces involved. More than most people would ever imagine!

DidJit

18th April 2012, 10:21

Good little read here (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2012/04/17/between_the_devil_and_the_deep_blue_sea_.html).

Crasherfromwayback

18th April 2012, 10:39

Good little read.

Aye. It's all very interesting.

Crasherfromwayback

18th April 2012, 11:32

Reckless

18th April 2012, 23:50

Had to laugh reading the latest edition of 'Kiwirider' magazine.

The Bottom Line by Darren Sweetman starts of by him saying "Anybody that knows me knows that I can be very opinionated on most subjects, ecpecially the riding of motorcycles.

Those people also know that I am opinionated for a very good reason. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to riding"

He then goes on to say "Stoner relies 100% on his traction control where the other three riders actually control the bike themselves"

What a crock of shit. It's pretty well known that Stoner turns his TC way down compared to other riders, his own team mates have all commented over the years it's his incredible throttle control that makes him such a weapon. He was able to ride the Ducati well and steer it with the rear wheel with the TC turned way down, something no one else has been able to do.

Have you not seen pics of Stoner full lock sideways on a dirt bike while still basically wearing nappies Darren? It's all about 'throttle control' in the dirt. You of all people should know this.

I wondered if it was a typo Crasher! Then went searching or articles on Stoner found this, just to confirm what I knew. Good read actually :)
http://motomatters.com/interview/2012/04/12/casey_stoner_explains_how_to_slide_a_mot.html
As you say Its very well documented that Stoner doesn't use as much traction control, so the complete opposite to what Darren said even what he said about Lorenzo and Pedrosa was opposite I reckon????
I dunno how the heck he or the publisher (if we give Darren the benefit of the doubt) could get it so wrong?? Doesn't say much for SBK school??
I don't personally know Darren but that seemed really strange??

OH and BTW last GP Stoner wasn't the fastest in the world was he :P Wasn't there someone else on that top step LMAO.
Awesome GP BTW was in welly so watched it Monday morn at Donnelly's house farkin good race I reckon.
Bring it on, I love watchin Stoner clinging to the side of that bike, there no one with his style.
But I'd quite like to see Pedro stick it up all of them just to make it exciting.
Poor Rossi is fucked ATM and it's bloody sad to see, I reckon :facepalm:

Reckless

19th April 2012, 00:12

Good little read here (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2012/04/17/between_the_devil_and_the_deep_blue_sea_.html).

Thanks mate good read about the only option that I could see he didn't put forward was that Suzuki seize the moment and re-enter Moto GP with Rossi on board.
Now that would make sense for Suzuki and Rossi. They'd get a great development team in Rossi and Burgess and he'd get a bike that had quite good potential in its last few races in Moto GP.
Just a left field scenario, but it'd be interesting watch.

Coolz

19th April 2012, 00:15

Stoner might have to turn his traction control up a touch so his tyres last the distance. Looked like he was riding on shinko's by the end of the race.

DidJit

19th April 2012, 06:00

Had to laugh reading the latest edition of 'Kiwirider' magazine. ...

April Fools’?!? :scratch:

Crasherfromwayback

19th April 2012, 07:24

I dunno how the heck he or the publisher (if we give Darren the benefit of the doubt) could get it so wrong?? Doesn't say much for SBK school??
I don't personally know Darren but that seemed really strange??

OH and BTW last GP Stoner wasn't the fastest in the world was he :P Wasn't there someone else on that top step LMAO.

Poor Rossi is fucked ATM and it's bloody sad to see, I reckon :facepalm:

I think he's obviously just another hater than can't admit the thruth. I sold him a bike a while ago, and we touched on the subject then.

And hate to say this (nah...I don't really), but I think Stoner did indeed show he's still the fastest man in the world in Qatar. The ease with which he gapped the others must have them shitting their pants once again. Arm pump up is a nasty thing, as I'm sure you'll know. He'll get it sorted and come back strong.

Be an awesome race in Jerez next weekend, but I reckon that'll be teween Lorenzo and Pedrosa there with Stoner fighting the rest for third.
It's pretty much Stoner's bogie track.

And yep...the Rossi thing is indeed sad to see. No one but a true sadist would like to see such a great champion look so down and out.

Despite what people may think, I'm certainly not enjoying it. Far rather see him giving the others at the front shit.

Badjelly

19th April 2012, 09:28

And hate to say this (nah...I don't really), but I think Stoner did indeed show he's still the fastest man in the world in Qatar. The ease with which he gapped the others must have them shitting their pants once again.

The post-race interview was a classic. Jorge and Dani said how satisfied they were, then Casey explained that he developed arm pump very early and tried to adopt a smoother riding style, while he was riding away from the others. Then he said he was happy that he'd shown he was the fastest rider. Zoom back to Jorge and Dani looking a bit glum (though with Dani that's how he always looks).

Unlike you and your mate Darren Sweetman, I can't tell much about a rider's style by looking at him. But for what it's worth, I agree that "Casey relies 100% on his TC" is bollocks. They all use their TC and they all need to trust it do what they expect, but that's not the same as saying they'd be unable to adjust if they didn't have it. Many other riders have commented on Casey's incredible throttle control and I suspect he'd cope without TC better than anyone else.

Crasherfromwayback

19th April 2012, 09:47

The post-race interview was a classic.

Unlike you and your mate Darren Sweetman, I can't tell much about a rider's style by looking at him. But for what it's worth, I agree that "Casey relies 100% on his TC" is bollocks. They all use their TC and they all need to trust it do what they expect, but that's not the same as saying they'd be unable to adjust if they didn't have it. Many other riders have commented on Casey's incredible throttle control and I suspect he'd cope without TC better than anyone else.

Yeah I thought it was funny too. I don't claim to know all there is to know regarding bikes and racing. But I think it's pretty plain to see who is ragged and on the edge agressive (Stoner) and who is smooth and incredibly precise (Lorenzo). Chalk and cheese those two.

But yeah...the whole Stoner and his TC thing is a total crock, always has been. You don't win as many dirt track titles as he has not knowing what fantastic throttle control is. Like Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson etc before him...they all knew how to do it at high speed on the dirt first.

FWIW...if I was to tell someone the best racer to watch if you want to be a good racer, it'd be Lorenzo I'd be teling them to copy. He's a fucking robot. Like Eddie Lawson was.

Brian d marge

19th April 2012, 14:05

Good little read here (http://motomatters.com/opinion/2012/04/17/between_the_devil_and_the_deep_blue_sea_.html).

He confirms what I and others have been saying, the V , with the current tyres , just dont work,

by definition the cog is placed rearwards , unloading the tyre under acceleration, making it run wide ( think chopper !)

possibly braking as well though Im not sure on that

The rev limiters I was unaware of and may place more emphasis in cornering , not sure

If I were Rossi I would stay at Ducati , use the Italian way of doing things , pull strings and save all faces , Phillip Morris , jb , his and Ducatis

IMHO

Stephen

SimJen

19th April 2012, 14:15

Yeah I thought it was funny too. I don't claim to know all there is to know regarding bikes and racing. But I think it's pretty plain to see who is ragged and on the edge agressive (Stoner) and who is smooth and incredibly precise (Lorenzo). Chalk and cheese those two.

But yeah...the whole Stoner and his TC thing is a total crock, always has been. You don't win as many dirt track titles as he has not knowing what fantastic throttle control is. Like Kenny Roberts, Freddie Spencer, Eddie Lawson etc before him...they all knew how to do it at high speed on the dirt first.

FWIW...if I was to tell someone the best racer to watch if you want to be a good racer, it'd be Lorenzo I'd be teling them to copy. He's a fucking robot. Like Eddie Lawson was.

Casey has amazing throttle control, but so does Hayden (dirt man), Rossi (500's!!!), Edwards (SBK etc). Not really any form of argument, I think its fair to say they can all spin it up!

Crasherfromwayback

19th April 2012, 14:18

Casey has amazing throttle control, but so does Hayden (dirt man), Rossi (500's!!!), Edwards (SBK etc). Not really any form of argument, I think its fair to say they can all spin it up!

Of course they can. JUst some hang it out more than others, and I love watching it more so than wheels in line a-la Lorenzo.

slowpoke

20th April 2012, 19:52

Of course they can. JUst some hang it out more than others, and I love watching it more so than wheels in line a-la Lorenzo.

Me too mate. Sooner they go the BSB spec ECU route the better. Lets face it, road TC/electronics are so far removed from what these guys use that MotoGP electrickery has virtually no application.

Crasherfromwayback

20th April 2012, 20:02

Me too mate. Sooner they go the BSB spec ECU route the better. Lets face it, road TC/electronics are so far removed from what these guys use that MotoGP electrickery has virtually no application.

I reckon mate.

trustme

20th April 2012, 20:15

Stoner is smarter about where he hangs it out & how than anyone else at the moment . Does Stoner have better throttle control ?? Through the infield at Indy a couple of years ago the bikes could all be heard having the electrickery chime in except for Stoner. Everyone said he had the trickery turned down, nope it was just the same as Haydens bike , just better throttle control.
Lorenzo comes from 250's & reminds me of the Ago's , Sheenes & co who were used to bikes that needed smooth riding & good corner speed. Stoner reminds me of Roberts who came from a dirt track background & is quite happy to mix things up a bit, getting loose & slidey is quite normal for them. Stoner is quite good at evaluating the fast way round a corner & modifying his style to suit , he likes the electrickery toned down , it enables him to go faster, he is not simply a strong right wrist.

Brian d marge

21st April 2012, 02:08

I reckon mate.

unfortunatelythe fasted way round the track tends to be the most unspectacular ,,,top gear in a reasonably priced car ???

i love the telemetry electrickertry ...just wish they would show us on the telly , ie stoners was this , Rossis was that ,,,,,

Stephen

BMWST?

21st April 2012, 09:07

The fastest guy in the world?
One of the fastest, maybe.
The best rider on sub-standard machinery, definitely.
Also I don't think "..the fastest guy in the world.." would be so underdone as to suffer from arm pump.

There are several guys out there, including Dani & George, and maybe even Marc, who may be as fast or faster.
Until there's a race where fully fit riders race on identical machines, we'll never know.

the no on the front of his bike confers him the status on fastest dont you think?

jellywrestler

21st April 2012, 10:03

Had to laugh reading the latest edition of 'Kiwirider' magazine.

Hehehehe, someone actually reads Kiwirider!

Crasherfromwayback

21st April 2012, 10:14

Hehehehe, someone actually reads Kiwirider!

Good for a laugh now and then mate!

pritch

21st April 2012, 12:07

Stoner's arm pump has been attributed by several sources to a new pair of gloves. He had worn the previous pair for an unusually long time. (Considering that his gloves are free. ) This is not considered by the pundits to be a superstition thing, more a matter of comfort.

Jerez is apparently waaay different to Qatar as to the demands on the rider, shorter straights, less likely to induce pump, so we may not know if the problem is cured for a while yet.

Another rider (Spies?) reportedly gets the crew chief to break his gloves in before he uses them in a race.

Crasherfromwayback

21st April 2012, 12:18

unfortunatelythe fasted way round the track tends to be the most unspectacular ,,,top gear in a reasonably priced car ???

Most of the time yes. But I'm sure there are plenty of corners where it's best to square them off early and get the fuck outta there.

Stoner seems to go through turn 3 at Phillip Island faster than anyone else. And he does that at 260 kph sideways.

Mental Trousers

21st April 2012, 17:16

Stoner seems to go through turn 3 at Phillip Island faster than anyone else. And he does that at 260 kph sideways.

He's fastest there because he is sideways. It's one of those corners where arse-out-of-line works really well cos it sets you up for the next corner. Everyone else has to come back across but he's already on the right line.

Crasherfromwayback

21st April 2012, 17:19

He's fastest there because he is sideways. It's one of those corners where arse-out-of-line works really well cos it sets you up for the next corner. Everyone else has to come back across but he's already on the right line.

Aye. Spies got it all wrong there last year! If you've been to PI, and seen Stoner doing it in the flesh...it's fucking awesome!

gixerracer

21st April 2012, 19:50

He's fastest there because he is sideways. It's one of those corners where arse-out-of-line works really well cos it sets you up for the next corner. Everyone else has to come back across but he's already on the right line.

So why dont they all do it then at that corner?
Simple because they cant and would crash if the had a go at it doing it :no:

Crasherfromwayback

21st April 2012, 19:53

So why dont they all do it then at that corner?
Simple because they cant and would crash if the had a go at it doing it :no:

Because their balls ain't as big as Stoners. Nor is their throttle control as good.

Oscar

22nd April 2012, 09:28

the no on the front of his bike confers him the status on fastest dont you think?

Not really.
It say he's the fastest MotoGP rider.

trustme

22nd April 2012, 12:53

Gee , I thought this thread was about Motogp. Silly me

Oscar

22nd April 2012, 17:06

Gee , I thought this thread was about Motogp. Silly me

"The fastest guy in the world" was the comment.
Do pay attention...

trustme

22nd April 2012, 18:21

So who is faster ? Justify your nomination. I wait with baited breath.

Ntoxcated

22nd April 2012, 18:48

I wait with baited breath.

What are you trying to catch? I wait with bated breath for your response :bleh:

Oscar

22nd April 2012, 18:57

So who is faster ? Justify your nomination. I wait with baited breath.

I already posted on the subject.
I hope you're faster on yer bike than you are on line..

Matt Bleck

22nd April 2012, 19:51

DidJit

26th April 2012, 11:31

David Emmett previews what is fast being dubbed the “Thriller in the villa” (http://motomatters.com/report/2012/04/25/2012_jerez_motogp_preview_on_a_spanish_p.html) (Alex Briggs asked his followers on Twitter for Ducati’s Jerez code name).

Speaking of Ducati, Vale goes to the opposite side of the microphone and interviews Graziano (http://www.gpone.com/index.php/en/201204246695/Rossi-fa-la-Iena-con-Ducati-si-puo-vincere.html)... about Valentino. :lol:

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 08:17

But my money is on either Pedro or Lorenzo to win at home.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120426l.htm

DidJit

27th April 2012, 08:49

And what a titanic battle it promises to be!

The weather might make things interesting though...

roogazza

27th April 2012, 10:31

But my money is on either Pedro or Lorenzo to win at home.

Either/or would suit just fine ! With Valentino third !!!
Dingo with chatter(two types),lactose, arm pump and a DNF ! :lol:

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 10:42

Either/or would suit just fine ! With Valentino third !!!
Dingo with chatter(two types),lactose, arm pump and a DNF ! :lol:

Talking of chatter. Did Rossi's 'GF' have a boy or a girl? Be a fucking fat baby by now.

roogazza

27th April 2012, 11:06

Talking of chatter. Did Rossi's 'GF' have a boy or a girl? Be a fucking fat baby by now.

Yeah , keeping that real quiet isn't he ? Was it fact or gossip, haven't heard a thing.
Like you , looking for a great race Sunday.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 11:28

Yeah , keeping that real quiet isn't he ? Was it fact or gossip, haven't heard a thing.
Like you , looking for a great race Sunday.

Obviously a total crock of shit. If a star as big as Rossi was a new dad, the world would know about it.

Stoners bogy track, so I'm going with

Lorenzo

Pedrosa

Stoner

Dovi

Spies

pritch

27th April 2012, 15:05

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 15:28

Dovi b/4 Spies? Big call. Most times the factory bikes beat the satellite teams.

I'd like to see Crutchlow amongst it and for Bautista to get to grips with the Honda.
Bautista is at home too so should be motivated.

Most being the operative word.

And yep...I'd love to see Bautista go well. He's a lil battler I reckon.

carbonhed

27th April 2012, 17:56

Like crasher says... a Spaniard in Spain.

Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Stoner
Spies

Unless it rains. Which will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Lorenzo
Spies
Dovi
Crutchlow
Rossi
Hayden

pritch

27th April 2012, 18:06

Most being the operative word.

Well, I was excluding Ducati for the meantime. Hopefully not too long.

I wouldn't judge Spies by his last outing. He had crashed twice during the weekend and later said that in the race the bike didn't feel right.

On Monday we should all have a better idea if that was right or not.

Then again the forecast is for rain.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 18:06

Unless it rains. Which will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Lorenzo
Spies
Dovi
Crutchlow
Rossi
Hayden

Stoner will give them a(nother) lesson if it's wet.

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 18:07

Well, I was excluding Ducati for the meantime. Hopefully not too long.

I wouldn't judge Spies by his last outing. He had crashed twice during the weekend and later said that in the race the bike didn't feel right.

On Monday we should all have a better idea if that was right or not.

Then again the forecast is for rain.

lol. I wasn't actually referring to Ducati either. But now you mention it...

Hey, I'm a Spies fan. But he's really gotta get it together this year or he'll be looking for a job.

carbonhed

27th April 2012, 19:03

Stoner will give them a(nother) lesson if it's wet.

Nope. He will fall off. So will Crutchlow... but if wishing could keep him upright he'll finish :-)

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 19:05

Nope. He will fall off. So will Crutchlow... but if wishing could keep him upright he'll finish :-)

Nah. You see him crash in a race last year of his own accord?

carbonhed

27th April 2012, 19:27

Nah. You see him crash in a race last year of his own accord?

:-) Didn't he say that last year the only time he caned it up was at Phillip island? Or is my memory wonky?

This year the Yamaha is much closer from the off and Pedrosa's not injured. He's not going to be as comfortable this year... character will be important.

Trudes

27th April 2012, 19:32

Come on Nicky!!!! :heart: :laugh:

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 19:39

:-) Didn't he say that last year the only time he caned it up was at Phillip island? Or is my memory wonky?

This year the Yamaha is much closer from the off and Pedrosa's not injured. He's not going to be as comfortable this year... character will be important.

Aye. I was a lil worried about this season until I saw him gap the rest so easily at Qatar. And he'll be fine. His 'mental weakness' is as much of a myth as Rossi having a pregnant GF!

slowpoke

27th April 2012, 20:10

Aye. I was a lil worried about this season until I saw him gap the rest so easily at Qatar. And he'll be fine. His 'mental weakness' is as much of a myth as Rossi having a pregnant GF!

On the money, mate. Arm pump or not, even if qualifying had Lorenzo in front, come race time Stoner had all the pace.

Spies has gotta pull finger, but I reckon Dovi could well shade him. And Bradl will show Bautista the way home....or not, haha.

merv

27th April 2012, 20:14

Another good story about your boy crasher http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120426l.htm

Also one for Trudes, your boy is honourable http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120426016.htm

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 20:26

Another good story about your boy crasher http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120426l.htm

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Beat you to it Merv.

Mental Trousers

27th April 2012, 20:37

Also one for Trudes, your boy is honourable http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120426016.htm

Good man that one. Shame he's on a broken bike.

Trudes

27th April 2012, 20:42

Also one for Trudes, your boy is honourable http://superbikeplanet.com/2012/Apr/120426016.htm

Thanks Merv, what a good guy, such a horrid pic, this one is much nicer, Nicky ain't bad either ;)
http://instagr.am/p/J5OSG8kygg/

Crasherfromwayback

27th April 2012, 22:17

Good man that one. Shame he's on a broken bike.

Good to see he's taking it on the chin unlike his team mate that's whining like a....a...a...WHINER!

Reckless

28th April 2012, 09:31

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2012, 10:09

Early days yet but the ducs seem to like water.

http://www.nzsbk.com/2012/04/pedrosa-top-times-at-wet-jerez-first.html?spref=fb

Danny is on fire by the looks. I'd quite like to see the little bugger steal the prize. That'd put a different shine on all the predictions :)

Yeah. Were did Rossi finish @ Silverstone in the wet last year?

The track has been wet/dry so far. Not full on wet. So none of the times really mean diddly squat.

BMWST?

28th April 2012, 10:11

of course we know Dani has an unfair advantage in the wet in Spain:laugh:

pritch

28th April 2012, 10:40

Well that FP2 created more questions than answers.

Rossi led the time sheets for most of the session until Pedrosa went under his time.

Neither Rossi nor Hayden can even hazard a guess as to why the bike is so good in the wet when the problems they have in the dry should be even worse in the wet. Rossi wants it to rain until Valencia.

Both Dovizioso and Crutchlow had wheel spin problems and couldn't get the power to the ground, but they're both ahead of Spies?

David Emmett reports, "There was an odd little scene in the Yamaha garage. Couldn't quite catch it, but it had the whiff of toys being ejected from the perambulator." Wonder who that was? Probably not Lorenzo.

If Stoner has such masterful throttle control, why is he only fourth? He should have an even bigger advantage in the wet. His "superior throttle control" might also be up there with Rossi's pregnant girlfriend.

PED-ROS-LOR-STO-HAY-DOV-BAU-CRU-SPI-BRA-RDP-PAS-ABR-BAR-EDW-SIL-HER-PET-PIR-ELL-ESP-E&OE

Maido

28th April 2012, 10:43

If Stoner has such masterful throttle control, why is he only fourth? He should have an even bigger advantage in the wet. His "superior throttle control" might also be up there with Rossi's pregnant girlfriend.

My guess is that he didn't want to throw it down the road for no reason so early in the piece, the weather might change etc.

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2012, 10:48

If Stoner has such masterful throttle control, why is he only fourth? He should have an even bigger advantage in the wet. His "superior throttle control" might also be up there with Rossi's pregnant girlfriend.

Obviously missed Silverstone last year...

Not a lot to be gained from riding half wet half dry tracks.

pritch

28th April 2012, 10:57

Obviously missed Silverstone last year...

Sometimes the fishing is just too easy. :devil2:

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2012, 11:14

Sometimes the fishing is just too easy. :devil2:

lol. I knew you were looking for a bite mate. But it's wet and quiet here today. I've nother better to do!

My money is on Lorenzo this weekend though. Smooth as butter will work well.

carbonhed

28th April 2012, 18:26

Frustrating day.

BMWST?

28th April 2012, 18:35

My money is on Lorenzo this weekend though. Smooth as butter will work well.

Obviously missed Silverstone last year...

my money will be on the Aussie
1) he will want to win
2)Chatter less of an issue with less grip
3)Arm pump less of an issue with less grip

BMWST?

28th April 2012, 19:42

qualifying delayed skysport 3 at 6 am Race Live SkySport 3 21:00

carbonhed

28th April 2012, 19:59

They've not got intermediates?

Crasherfromwayback

28th April 2012, 23:24

They've not got intermediates?

Not for a while now mate.

denill

29th April 2012, 11:53

They've not got intermediates?

<A href=http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/04/27/2012_jerez_motogp_friday_round_up_of_wea.html>Several journalists raised the question of intermediate tires, but here opinion was split. Casey Stoner dismissed the idea out of hand, saying that he had never found a use for intermediate tires, preferring to run either full wets or chance it on a slick. Cal Crutchlow, however, viewed it differently: if conditions were to be anything like they were on Friday, then his preference would be to start on an intermediate, and hope that it would last the difference. With intermediates having been banned since the introduction of the single tire rule, Crutchlow would instead choose to start on a rain tire, and then pit early and gamble on it staying dry enough to use slicks. </A> And more.

Crasherfromwayback

29th April 2012, 12:40

Why is the worlds best development rider and the best racer of all time only .2 sec faster than the fastest CRT bike, the last Ducati, and the last prototype bike on the grid? He says he's checked Haydens setups info etc. Odd...because when he was top dog at Yamaha...he wouldn't let Lorenzo share his. So it's ok for him to wanna share when he needs help? Oh...the the guy that beat him to the championship in '06' has the same bike on the front row.

Odd.

Mental Trousers

29th April 2012, 12:44

BMWST?

29th April 2012, 12:46

Nothing odd about it. He's playing a long game to get what he wants. Seeing as Audi now own all their arses there's a new player in the game now so things are going to be really interesting.

long game?...with a new boss there is only one place in the team that i would want to be....ahead of ANY other Ducati

Bassmatt

29th April 2012, 12:48

boman

29th April 2012, 13:01

I wonder if his heart isn't really in it anymore. He clearly isn't happy with the bike and thats affecting his whole performance.
Or he is shit.

Fair comment. I don't think he is shit in any way shape or form. More frustrated at the lack of progress. If you believed all the hype and comments at the start of last year, he should have won the championship again.

That has to be offputting??

Crasherfromwayback

29th April 2012, 13:03

Nothing odd about it. He's playing a long game to get what he wants.

Bollocks!!

Crasherfromwayback

29th April 2012, 13:05

I wonder if his heart isn't really in it anymore. .

Think you've nailed it. Also not prepared to risk it all anymore. Especially after his good mate Simo dying last year.

Mental Trousers

29th April 2012, 13:07

long game?...with a new boss there is only one place in the team that i would want to be....ahead of ANY other Ducati

Audi know how to take a flakey little company that relies entirely on image to sell anything and turn them into a successful business that moves 10x the number of units they used to. Vale is a sales gold mine that Ducati isn't really taking advantage of. Depends on whether Audi can be bothered sorting things out to put him back at the top of the game or not.

Crasherfromwayback

29th April 2012, 13:14

Vale is a sales gold mine that Ducati isn't really taking advantage of. .

So far I'd say Rossi is THE biggest waste of money and THE worst PR disaster in Ducati's proud (until now) history.

merv

29th April 2012, 13:16

Yep, time Ducati looked for some new young blokes to race its bikes, the old fellahs can retire now and stay home and polish their trophys.

carbonhed

29th April 2012, 13:17

<A href=http://motomatters.com/analysis/2012/04/27/2012_jerez_motogp_friday_round_up_of_wea.html>Several journalists raised the question of intermediate tires, but here opinion was split. Casey Stoner dismissed the idea out of hand, saying that he had never found a use for intermediate tires, preferring to run either full wets or chance it on a slick. Cal Crutchlow, however, viewed it differently: if conditions were to be anything like they were on Friday, then his preference would be to start on an intermediate, and hope that it would last the difference. With intermediates having been banned since the introduction of the single tire rule, Crutchlow would instead choose to start on a rain tire, and then pit early and gamble on it staying dry enough to use slicks. </A> And more.

Interesting. Thanks.

Hayden front row, Rossi 13th... and beaten by de Puniet on a CRT bike. Those CRT bikes look like scarey mofo's.

Spies 1.5 secs behind his teammate and then is reported as saying the following after speculation his position may be under threat from Dovi :-

"I don't care," said Spies. "Dovizioso has been in the series about triple the time that I've been here and he's had his chance at factory seats.

"I think that people know his ability and what it is. It's fourth to sixth place finishes and that's not bad but it's not Casey or Jorge for sure."

Which seems rather out of character for Ben so maybe he is feeling the heat.

Crasherfromwayback

29th April 2012, 13:21

"I think that people know his ability and what it is. It's fourth to sixth place finishes and that's not bad but it's not Casey or Jorge for sure."

Which seems rather out of character for Ben so maybe he is feeling the heat.

Which is about Spies's ability on a good day right now. I really thought he's step up at first. He certainly needs to on the thous. No excuse re body size etc anymore I reckon.

denill

29th April 2012, 13:52

I wonder if his heart isn't really in it anymore. He clearly isn't happy with the bike and thats affecting his whole performance.

I reckon that would be very close to making the jigsaw puzzle that is Rossi (and Burgess) fit.

pritch

29th April 2012, 14:26

Spies is feeling the heat, but not as much as Rossi.

Ducati ignored the comments of all the riders who had trouble, when Melandri told them the bike was no good Ducati directed him to a psychologist. When Stoner won, the bike was obviously great. When he crashed it was his fault. So nothing was done to sort things until Rossi arrived.

Melandri has had a recent rant in the Italian press. We'll need to wait for an accurate translation but apparently he is angry with Ducati for not listening to the riders, and he's angry with the press for blaming him for the shortcomings at the time. It was only when Rossi failed to get to grips with the bike that the Italian press acknowledged there might be problems with the bike.

It seems though that there are only two problems with the Duc: the engine, and the frame. :whistle:

cmoore

29th April 2012, 15:04

great qualifying session if only becuase it was changing all the time with the weather....fast times being set early in case the rain came...but dry pole positions...probably means bugger all if the race is run in the wet.

the honda looks twitchy for both stoner and pedrosa.....just saying

i agree with above, spies is under big pressure to perform...he would be better to make sure he finishes each race and then finish top 4....anything after that would be a bonus...

my pick for change is Pedrosa....can't believe honda will keep him another year if he doesn't challange for the win....which he is doing now but needs to stay there or......

lorenzo was awesome this morning.....top speed he is about 9th...smooth as......hard to believe he said it was scary out there....

wet race will be totally different though.....so who knows......

carbonhed

29th April 2012, 16:02

i agree with above, spies is under big pressure to perform...he would be better to make sure he finishes each race and then finish top 4....anything after that would be a bonus...

I think he'll do well in the race. Sounds like he felt the need to deliver an intact bike onto the grid after Qatar and that's what he's done. Unspectacular but safely there.

carbonhed

29th April 2012, 19:10

Well it's 9:00am in Jerez. Just about to start the Moto2 warmup and it's sunny with a bit of cloud around and a dry track. Let's hope it stays that way. Unless you're a Valentino tragic... in which case bring on the fire, brimstone and floods.

carbonhed

29th April 2012, 19:18

and a dry track.

Well... mostly dry.

carbonhed

29th April 2012, 19:40

Well... mostly dry.

Forget it I'm talking shit. Looked dry but it's wet :(

merv

29th April 2012, 20:15

Crasher did your boy sit out the warm up?

BMWST?

29th April 2012, 20:27

Crasher did your boy sit out the warm up?

Reigning World Champion Casey Stoner did not set a lap on his Repsol Honda.

seems he did

merv

29th April 2012, 20:28

Probably didn't want Rossi to take him out.

BMWST?

29th April 2012, 20:39

Probably didn't want Rossi to take him out.

he obviuosly doesnt see any point in going out in neither wet nor dry conditions,saving tyres praps.How many wets they get?

Reckless

29th April 2012, 21:20

.......................,saving tyres praps.How many wets they get?

Not enough if they gonna shit themselves in four laps by the sounds of it :)

rachprice

29th April 2012, 22:01

Not bad moto3, they did drop like flies though, conditions seem to be staying the same

Nice one fenati! Maybe we do have another Italian shining light?
Bit rough on the champagne, could at least give him sparkling grape juice!

Shit man, looking at him after warm up , Rossi is really just a shell of a man.

I donated Pete to put $10 on someone - guess who he went, then put $10 on pedrosa, $5 on Hayden.

Mental Trousers

29th April 2012, 22:02

I donated Pete ....

Did you get ANY takers??

jasonu

30th April 2012, 06:19

Moto 2 a good race but Moto GP pffft, there is more overtakeing in Formula I.

rachprice

30th April 2012, 06:28

first few laps were really good and the last, seeing if lorenzo could take stoner

Did make me laugh though, it seemed like stoner was fucking with lorenzo, letting him get closer, closer, showing him a way through and then just fuckin off another 0.5s faster in the last laps. What a mind fuck....I beat you at the track I'm known to do shit on, one of your home tracks.
But I definitely don't see lorenzo backing off, if anything I think I will give him more fire!

rachprice

30th April 2012, 06:33

oh p.s. Spies, what the fuck? I wouldn't be commenting on anyone elses riding because you need to sort your shit out ASAP or risk that factory ride of yours

Crasherfromwayback

30th April 2012, 08:32

I donated Pete to put $10 on someone - guess who he went, .

Thanks Doll. Easiest $45.00 I've made in ages!

carbonhed

30th April 2012, 09:15

Enthralling race. Thought Lorenzo had got him but Stoner had the balls to hang on. The top four guys all did great under really tough conditions but especially Crutchlow... that's a huge step up.

Randy de Puniet did well until stopping with what looked suspiciously like no fuel. Bradl looked at home in MotGP. Dovi and Bautista solid.

Spies? WTF that's a factory Yamaha you're flushing down the toilet!

Crasherfromwayback

30th April 2012, 09:18

Spies? WTF that's a factory job you're flushing down the toilet!

Fixed that for ya.

puddytat

30th April 2012, 10:51

i thought the moto3 was a great race for the minor placings but that freneti dude was in another league.the bikes sounded way awesomer than the 2 smokers I reckon
moto2....awesome,with some standout rides from Redding,Marquez & luthi. Smith?:facepalm:
Motogp....i reckon Rossi will spit the dummy soon.

Crasherfromwayback

30th April 2012, 10:52

Lean it much?262911

DidJit

30th April 2012, 11:18

Stoner finally won at Jerez, eh! Good to see Lorenzo keeping him honest too. Was hoping Dovizioso and Hayden might keep up with Pedrosa and Crutchlow as there was some entertaining passing in the opening laps... Apparently (according to their post-race tweets), Dovi wasn't feeling good on the bike but feels they can get there, while Nicky admitted his early abuse of the tyres meant he couldn't keep up the pace. It also looked to me that Rossi might have enjoyed his race battles somewhat (even if they were far further down the field than he would prefer)... Seemed a bit more upbeat post-race too.

carbonhed

30th April 2012, 12:24

Fixed that for ya.

Being Lorenzo's teammate has got to be a soul destroying job. Week in week out of just not good enough after an entire career of coming out on top. Better men than he have said "Say... that's a nice looking Ducati". :laugh:

cmoore

30th April 2012, 12:24

Good racing in all classes. I really thought Lorenzo had him. Tyre choice seems to be the issue...I dunno..crutch less had the hard front on his yam but he could,t get past pedrosa. Interesting to hear pedrosa say he was too cautious at the start, which cost him any chance. Great to see Hayden staying with them for a while. Spies should start worrying about now....that was a dreadful performance on a top bike...he should be fighting it out near pedrosa.

Crasherfromwayback

30th April 2012, 12:33

Being Lorenzo's teammate has got to be a soul destroying job. Week in week out of just not good enough after an entire career of coming out on top. Better men than he have said "Say... that's a nice looking Ducati". :laugh:

Indeed. Still...imagine how Pedrosa feels.

Good racing in all classes. I really thought Lorenzo had him. Tyre choice seems to be the issue...I dunno..crutch less had the hard front on his yam but he could,t get past pedrosa. Interesting to hear pedrosa say he was too cautious at the start, which cost him any chance. Great to see Hayden staying with them for a while. Spies should start worrying about now....that was a dreadful performance on a top bike...he should be fighting it out near pedrosa.

Agree. Spies has gone queer. Too much lycra wearing on his bicycle.

carbonhed

30th April 2012, 12:43

Indeed. Still...imagine how Pedrosa feels.

:) Yeah but Pedro can beat Stoner in qualifying and the race on a reasonably regular basis. But I can see your Stoner fanboy lust is in full heat so I'll say no more :laugh:

Crasherfromwayback

30th April 2012, 12:50

:) Yeah but Pedro can beat Stoner in qualifying and the race on a reasonably regular basis. But I can see your Stoner fanboy lust is in full heat so I'll say no more :laugh:

I can happily admit on the day Pedrosa is the fastest man on two wheels and untouchable. Just doesn't happen often enough for him to be a title contender. Unlike Lorenzo. And even if Stoner offered up his butt, I'd turn him down. Though his ears look like good handles.

pritch

30th April 2012, 20:26

Crasherfromwayback

30th April 2012, 20:37

Crutchlow is impressing me .

Me too. He's a guy I didn't think would make the step up. Pleased I was wrong.

carbonhed

30th April 2012, 20:42

Mental Trousers

30th April 2012, 22:06

Me too. He's a guy I didn't think would make the step up. Pleased I was wrong.

I was disappointed that he didn't seem to be kicking on. But he is now :D

yod

30th April 2012, 22:13

I wonder how Mr Spies feels about Georgie-boy 2nd, satellite Yamahas 4th and 5th, satellite Hondas 6th and 7th, and himself in 11th. :facepalm:

Still along way to go in the season......but.......

rachprice

30th April 2012, 22:38

Crutchlow is impressing me - if not Rachel.:devil2: He'll give it a nudge, and in the absence of Simoncelli he's the nearest thing to an action man we've got currently. He has been a world champ in one of the more hotly contested classes too. I hope he can keep it up.

Wanna bet that if Marquez makes it to MotoGP the "rookies must ride satellite bikes" rule gets bent way outa shape, if not broken? I note that there's already talk of rules being "bent" this year. It all adds interest I guess.

Never said he hadn't impressed me, just that he seemed like an arrogant douche

Granted he seems to be on form this year! Awesome to see new blood! Hopefully he goes from strength to strength (not that it will help that ego of his, but hey maybe that's why he is doing so well??)

BMWST?

30th April 2012, 22:53

battle lines at the front are as expected the yamaha looks like it can battle with the honda so far.I reckon as the season goes on we will see some good battles with dovi crutchlow,bradl and Bautista.Spies will surely be battling with these guys at least.

denill

1st May 2012, 07:21

I was thinking after the race, in parc ferme, that the three aliens get on too well.

Yes - down from four aliens to three...............

Bradl has done better on the LCR than anyone, including Stoner so who knows?

Spies? I can't understand him. One would have thought the thous wuld would suit him better than the 800s.

Crasherfromwayback

1st May 2012, 07:27

Bradl has done better on the LCR than anyone, including Stoner so who knows?

.

You're memory is failing. Stoner put his on pole in one of his first races and nearly won the third race. Before they had control tyres too.

denill

1st May 2012, 09:29

You're memory is failing. Stoner put his on pole in one of his first races and nearly won the third race. Before they had control tyres too.

The remark "better than Stoner" was based on the fact that (so far) he hasn't biffed like Stoner did while trying to make haste on a less than perfect MotoGP bike <_<

Crasherfromwayback

1st May 2012, 09:31

The remark "better than Stoner" was based on the fact that (so far) he hasn't biffed like Stoner did while trying to make haste on a less than perfect MotoGP bike <_<

Personally, if I was a team manager, I'd rather have a guy that puts it on pole in his second race, and nearly wins his third. Get much more tv time for starters. Old rule...you can teach a fast guy to stop crashing easier than you can make a slower guy faster.

DidJit

1st May 2012, 11:58

5 minutes with Cal Crutchlow in GPWeek (http://mag.gpweek.com/#folio=16).

denill

1st May 2012, 12:11

5 minutes with Cal Crutchlow in GPWeek (http://mag.gpweek.com/#folio=16).

Hey, thanks for that. Have to give him credit for saying what he thinks..................

Didn't like some of the moves he made at Jerez - but I s'pose he's racing and not too different to Simo's 'take no prisoners' style.

DidJit

1st May 2012, 12:21

Like the Moto2 boys did with Marquez at Jerez after his move on Luthi at Qatar, I think the big boys won't be afraid to put Cal in his place if he gets too boisterous.

Oscar

1st May 2012, 13:12

Like the Moto2 boys did with Marquez at Jerez after his move on Luthi at Qatar, I think the big boys won't be afraid to put Cal in his place if he gets too boisterous.

Marquez got told off by Race Direction after Qatar.
Obviously it didn't work, so they up the ante and one of the Moto3 lads got hisself banned for Portugal..

Crasherfromwayback

1st May 2012, 13:28

Marquez got told off by Race Direction after Qatar.
.

Yeah I reckon if he carries on like that in Moto GP, he'll be shown the kitty litter pretty smartly. Real pity Simo not still around. He'd introduce him to it.

merv

1st May 2012, 13:47

You're memory is failing. Stoner put his on pole in one of his first races and nearly won the third race. Before they had control tyres too.

All the info Pete is talking about can be found here http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner

denill

1st May 2012, 14:01

Personally, if I was a team manager, I'd rather have a guy that puts it on pole in his second race, and nearly wins his third. Get much more tv time for starters. Old rule...you can teach a fast guy to stop crashing easier than you can make a slower guy faster.

'Bringing it home' is a quality a lot of team managers are looking for. And Bradl's done that, in a good position while not in peak condition too.

Crasherfromwayback

1st May 2012, 14:03

'Bringing it home' is a quality a lot of team managers are looking for. And Bradl's done that, in a good position while not in peak condition too.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's doing an awesome job. But he ain't gonna be winning races anytime soon I wouldn't think.

BMWST?

1st May 2012, 23:35

poor ol Dovi,he has ridden the Yamaha a couple of times and his team mate is already baggin him......

sosman

2nd May 2012, 00:00

Quote Originally Posted by denill View Post
'Bringing it home' is a quality a lot of team managers are looking for. And Bradl's done that, in a good position while not in peak condition too.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's doing an awesome job. But he ain't gonna be winning races anytime soon I wouldn't think.

Bradl's doing a good job! & don't forget that 2006 was the first year for LCR in Motogp, so they were prob still finding their feet etc

Crasherfromwayback

2nd May 2012, 08:26

And God Damn those Repsol Honda's look horn...

263023

Mental Trousers

2nd May 2012, 17:41

And God Damn those Repsol Honda's look horn...

263023

It's a bit Mardi Gras for me bro

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Reckless

3rd May 2012, 22:22

Your boy is not scared to give his opinion crasher! He's brings a pretty good perspective to the case to :)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/6856586/Stop-changing-MotoGP-rules-Casey-Stoner

merv

3rd May 2012, 22:32

It's a bit Mardi Gras for me bro

No, its more like its funny that supporters of losing brands always pull out the 'gay' comments about Honda instead of bowing to the king :bleh:.

Mental Trousers

3rd May 2012, 22:45

No, its more like its funny that supporters of losing brands always pull out the 'gay' comments about Honda instead of bowing to the king :bleh:.

I've got a CBR600 ya plonker :Oops:

merv

4th May 2012, 07:30

I've got a CBR600 ya plonker :Oops:

Haha, that flushed you out - CBR600 is a great bike.

Oh, and so it was nothing to do with the bike that you are keen on Mardi Gras then?

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 08:01

bowing to the king :bleh:.

Never piss the King off either...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120502notgonna.htm

Badjelly

4th May 2012, 09:21

Never piss the King off either...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120502notgonna.htm

Revenge is a dish best served cold. Very cold.

Reckless

4th May 2012, 09:32

Never piss the King off either...

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2012/May/120502notgonna.htm

Na Honda are happy having the two of the three best riders in the world till Rossi is well gone from Moto GP :)

Damn good poke at him at the end of that one to.

hahah First time I've ever seen in print the Idea that Rossi might front Suzuki's return

Thanks mate good read about the only option that I could see he didn't put forward was that Suzuki seize the moment and re-enter Moto GP with Rossi on board.
Now that would make sense for Suzuki and Rossi. They'd get a great development team in Rossi and Burgess and he'd get a bike that had quite good potential in its last few races in Moto GP.
Just a left field scenario, but it'd be interesting watch.

That was my guess in a previous post and I reckon its his last chance that or WSBK.
I doubt they will bring a bike from 11th to consistent podium's on one season ( unless it rains every race) so the Ducati is pretty screwed till they start listening to the riders. Seems to me the rumors coming from Ducati are the same over the years for Stoner and now Rossi, they simply aint getting what they need out of the bike for Moto GP. Checca seems to be able to compete in WSBK tho on the 1098. Maybe if this season with Rossi keeps up like it is and he quits we will see Ducati leave Moto GP?? Dunno that would be a big call.

Anyway last GP was really good.
Great ride by Stoner
Great to see Lorenzo can compete
Great to see Danni admit he fucked up his own race by not trying hard enough
Great ride by Crutchlow

From the comments after, Front tyre choice seemed to get the blame for the differences! Cant wait for Estoril this weekend :)

Just as a last comment I watch the last F1 race! Haven't watched it for a couple of years since it stopped on poor mans TV! Farken good actually!! Lots of cars, lots of passing, by jeepers they have certainly turned that procession around into a damn good race! I'm not suggesting bikes go for the Kers ( passing boost thing) thing but the changes to the F1 race model make better viewing :)

Mental Trousers

4th May 2012, 10:02

No, its more like its funny that supporters of losing brands always pull out the 'gay' comments about Honda instead of bowing to the king :bleh:.

Haha, that flushed you out - CBR600 is a great bike.

Oh, and so it was nothing to do with the bike that you are keen on Mardi Gras then?

It's fan boi's that piss me off.

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 10:21

Stoner

Lorenzo

Crutchlow

Pedro

Dovi

Spies is gonna bin it trying to find his mojo. But it'll be hiding in the kitty litter.

Oscar

4th May 2012, 10:41

Stoner

Lorenzo

Crutchlow

Pedro

Dovi

Spies is gonna bin it trying to find his mojo. But it'll be hiding in the kitty litter.

Long main straight + honda horsepower = short arse lightweight winning.

I took money of off the Tech. Director (now Race Director) and a former MCN Editor on this race last year.

SimJen

4th May 2012, 10:51

Lorenzo
Stoner
Pedo
Rossi!??

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 11:25

Long main straight + honda horsepower = short arse lightweight winning.

I took money of off the Tech. Director (now Race Director) and a former MCN Editor on this race last year.

Yeah but as we all know Oscar...if it was simply about the fastest bike, the Ducati would still be winning! Often still the fastest bike through the speed traps. Except there's now something missing...

Oscar

4th May 2012, 14:25

Yeah but as we all know Oscar...if it was simply about the fastest bike, the Ducati would still be winning! Often still the fastest bike through the speed traps. Except there's now something missing...

I'm still having a tenner on Pedrosa.

[Edit] I just checked the odds - miserable 3.75..(8 last year).

Dovi is paying 40 though, hmmmmmm...

Mental Trousers

4th May 2012, 14:27

Funny thing is, apparently the Ducati isn't even a full litre, the best guess is it's around 920cc. They kept the capacity a bit lower to get a higher red line. Even with the 920cc the electronics kick in through the mid range cos those bikes are producing too much torque, let alone the full litre engines of the other companies. So they use a smaller capacity to get a higher red line and a wider spread of revs while still making the same as the others through the mid range.

Clever. Shame the engines the wrong shape to make the bike handle at the extreme limits those guys ride at.

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 14:33

I'm still having a tenner on Pedrosa.

[Edit] I just checked the odds - miserable 3.75..(8 last year).

Dovi is paying 40 though, hmmmmmm...

Yeah I do think Pedro might do the bizz this round. Still, I reinvested my winnings from last round back into Stoner.

Oscar

4th May 2012, 14:47

Yeah I do think Pedro might do the bizz this round. Still, I reinvested my winnings from last round back into Stoner.

You don't think Dovi is worth a lazy 10?

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 14:50

You don't think Dovi is worth a lazy 10?

Probably. But I'm putting all my eggs in one basket case.

pritch

4th May 2012, 16:51

Stoner
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Crutchlow

I have to pick Stoner, he and Bautista are the GP riders in my MCN team.

denill

4th May 2012, 17:59

Stoner
Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Crutchlow

I have to pick Stoner, he and Bautista are the GP riders in my MCN team.

Either Stoner or Lorenzo for the win is a given and to pick any one other than Pedrosa would be insane. Yep - it's the threee aliens in 2012.

Spies the big disappointment so far this year for his fans and himself. Really thought he'd love the thous?????????????

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 18:16

. Really thought he'd love the thous?????????????

Think he's maybe lost some confidence after those two huge biffs in Qatar.

Reckless

4th May 2012, 18:19

Pedro (will win or fall off)
Stoner
Loernzo

cmoore

4th May 2012, 20:06

Lorenzo loves this track and has been very successful there. But I agree with above there are only three options at the moment....

Lorenzo
Pedrosa
Stoner
Spies (because he has to get better right?)

And of course I'm lovn the yammy......flames even....they must have got something right for the monsters to be up there.....which makes spies look even worse.....but......he is good and while form can come and go class will remain....

carbonhed

4th May 2012, 21:39

It's a terrific track isn't it. One for my bucket list :laugh:

Crasherfromwayback

4th May 2012, 22:13

It's a terrific track isn't it. One for my bucket list :laugh:

I reckon. My lucky and jammy GF is going to Bruno this year. Another awesome looking track.

yod

4th May 2012, 22:26

Saw this, just about lost my cuppa all over the keyboard, then realised it had to be wet, although by the pics it doesn't look all that wet.

1 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 1'40.813
2 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 1'41.086 0.273 / 0.273
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 1'41.502 0.689 / 0.416
4 1 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'41.943 1.130 / 0.441
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1'42.230 1.417 / 0.287
6 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'42.291 1.478 / 0.061
7 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'42.343 1.530 / 0.052
8 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'43.078 2.265 / 0.735
9 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Avintia Blusens BQR 1'43.256 2.443 / 0.178
10 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 1'43.265 2.452 / 0.009
11 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Power Electronics Aspar ART 1'43.277 2.464 / 0.012
12 51 Michele PIRRO ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini FTR 1'43.511 2.698 / 0.234
13 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 1'43.527 2.714 / 0.016
14 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Mobile Forward Racing Suter 1'44.909 4.096 / 1.382
15 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Came IodaRacing Project Ioda 1'45.148 4.335 / 0.239
16 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Power Electronics Aspar ART 1'45.636 4.823 / 0.488
17 54 Mattia PASINI ITA Speed Master ART 1'46.004 5.191 / 0.368
18 22 Ivan SILVA SPA Avintia Blusens BQR 1'46.271 5.458 / 0.267
77 James ELLISON GBR Paul Bird Motorsport ART 1'52.429 11.616 / 6.158
8 Hector BARBERA SPA Pramac Racing Team Ducati
99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha

BMWST?

4th May 2012, 22:48

note lorenzo didnt do any laps,CS came out right at the end did four or five laps....

rachprice

4th May 2012, 23:04

It's a terrific track isn't it. One for my bucket list :laugh:

Aye......now that Estoril is after Jerez, when we we went to Valencia, Estoril was the Sunday we arrived.....its real good being at Jerez then one week later Estoril because they are not that far just over Dunedin to Chch drive away!

And man I can't wait for brno....though I will be by myself so will be a bit random, not like any of you might have guessed but gp is very exciting and topical in our household and we both get very excited and talk about everyone and what they are doing a lot so I will be talking to random people, who will no doubt not understand a word I am saying!

But have to say I did book my accommodation with pole position travel, its just a a shitty bed in Brno with track transfers etc + party on the friday, not normally a huge fan of organised things but this has been really easy (all the good accommodation was booked out already!!! and after Valencia I really cant be fucked organising transport on the way to-from the track)

!

Brian d marge

4th May 2012, 23:21

That there tells me everything about rossis bike , and if I can see it , im damn sure the ducati engineers can see it ( think about the settings they use in the wet )

stephen

Saw this, just about lost my cuppa all over the keyboard, then realised it had to be wet, although by the pics it doesn't look all that wet.

1 11 Ben SPIES USA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha 1'40.813
2 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Ducati Team Ducati 1'41.086 0.273 / 0.273
3 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Ducati Team Ducati 1'41.502 0.689 / 0.416
4 1 Casey STONER AUS Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'41.943 1.130 / 0.441
5 19 Alvaro BAUTISTA SPA San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 1'42.230 1.417 / 0.287
6 35 Cal CRUTCHLOW GBR Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'42.291 1.478 / 0.061
7 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Yamaha 1'42.343 1.530 / 0.052
8 26 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 1'43.078 2.265 / 0.735
9 68 Yonny HERNANDEZ COL Avintia Blusens BQR 1'43.256 2.443 / 0.178
10 17 Karel ABRAHAM CZE Cardion AB Motoracing Ducati 1'43.265 2.452 / 0.009
11 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA Power Electronics Aspar ART 1'43.277 2.464 / 0.012
12 51 Michele PIRRO ITA San Carlo Honda Gresini FTR 1'43.511 2.698 / 0.234
13 6 Stefan BRADL GER LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 1'43.527 2.714 / 0.016
14 5 Colin EDWARDS USA NGM Mobile Forward Racing Suter 1'44.909 4.096 / 1.382
15 9 Danilo PETRUCCI ITA Came IodaRacing Project Ioda 1'45.148 4.335 / 0.239
16 41 Aleix ESPARGARO SPA Power Electronics Aspar ART 1'45.636 4.823 / 0.488
17 54 Mattia PASINI ITA Speed Master ART 1'46.004 5.191 / 0.368
18 22 Ivan SILVA SPA Avintia Blusens BQR 1'46.271 5.458 / 0.267
77 James ELLISON GBR Paul Bird Motorsport ART 1'52.429 11.616 / 6.158
8 Hector BARBERA SPA Pramac Racing Team Ducati
99 Jorge LORENZO SPA Yamaha Factory Racing Yamaha

yod

5th May 2012, 00:30

note lorenzo didnt do any laps,CS came out right at the end did four or five laps....

yep, and they're 4(?) seconds off last years fast lap, weather could play a big part in this one

denill

5th May 2012, 08:02

I reckon. My lucky and jammy GF is going to Bruno this year. Another awesome looking track.

Hope Rach chooses her vantage points better than us. Really thought we had it right too. :angry:

rachprice

5th May 2012, 09:49

Hope Rach chooses her vantage points better than us. Really thought we had it right too. :angry:

Why is that?? I think I'm on the first stand

BMWST?

5th May 2012, 10:02

Estoril, Friday, May 04, 2012

<tbody>
Pos.
Num.
Rider
Nation
Team
Bike
Km/h
Time
Gap 1st/Prev

1
1
Casey STONER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner)
AUS
Repsol Honda Team
Honda

1'38.396

2
11
Ben SPIES (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Ben+Spies)
USA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha

1'38.717
0.321 / 0.321

3
35
Cal CRUTCHLOW (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Cal+Crutchlow)
GBR
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha

1'38.742
0.346 / 0.025

4
26
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
SPA
Repsol Honda Team
Honda

1'38.797
0.401 / 0.055

5
99
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
SPA
Yamaha Factory Racing
Yamaha

1'38.930
0.534 / 0.133

6
19
Alvaro BAUTISTA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Alvaro+Bautista)
SPA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
Honda

1'38.959
0.563 / 0.029

7
69
Nicky HAYDEN (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Nicky+Hayden)
USA
Ducati Team
Ducati

1'39.029
0.633 / 0.070

8
8
Hector BARBERA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Hector+Barbera)
SPA
Pramac Racing Team
Ducati

1'39.193
0.797 / 0.164

9
46
Valentino ROSSI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Valentino+Rossi)
ITA
Ducati Team
Ducati

1'39.357
0.961 / 0.164

10
4
Andrea DOVIZIOSO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Andrea+Dovizioso)
ITA
Monster Yamaha Tech 3
Yamaha

1'39.615
1.219 / 0.258

11
17
Karel ABRAHAM (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Karel+Abraham)
CZE
Cardion AB Motoracing
Ducati

1'40.207
1.811 / 0.592

12
6
Stefan BRADL (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Stefan+Bradl)
GER
LCR Honda MotoGP
Honda

1'40.898
2.502 / 0.691

13
14
Randy DE PUNIET (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Randy+de+Puniet)
FRA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART

1'41.088
2.692 / 0.190

14
41
Aleix ESPARGARO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Aleix+Espargaro)
SPA
Power Electronics Aspar
ART

1'41.634
3.238 / 0.546

15
68
Yonny HERNANDEZ (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Yonny+Hernandez)
COL
Avintia Blusens
BQR

1'41.638
3.242 / 0.004

16
54
Mattia PASINI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Mattia+Pasini)
ITA
Speed Master
ART

1'41.973
3.577 / 0.335

17
51
Michele PIRRO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Michele+Pirro)
ITA
San Carlo Honda Gresini
FTR

1'42.252
3.856 / 0.279

18
5
Colin EDWARDS (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Colin+Edwards)
USA
NGM Mobile Forward Racing
Suter

1'42.587
4.191 / 0.335

19
22
Ivan SILVA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Ivan+Silva)
SPA
Avintia Blusens
BQR

1'42.804
4.408 / 0.217

20
9
Danilo PETRUCCI (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Danilo+Petrucci)
ITA
Came IodaRacing Project
Ioda

1'42.984
4.588 / 0.180

21
77
James ELLISON (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/James+Ellison)
GBR
Paul Bird Motorsport
ART

1'43.665
5.269 / 0.681

</tbody>
Weather Conditions:

| Track Condition: Dry| Air: 17º|Humidity: 70%| Ground: 20ºRecords:

<tbody>
Fastest Lap:
Lap: 13
Casey STONER (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Casey+Stoner)
1'38.396
153.0 Km/h

Circuit Record Lap:
2009
Dani PEDROSA (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Dani+Pedrosa)
1'36.937
155.3 Km/h

Best Lap:
2008
Jorge LORENZO (http://www.motogp.com/en/riders/Jorge+Lorenzo)
1'35.715
157.3 Km/h

</tbody>

pritch

5th May 2012, 11:37

It's a terrific track isn't it. One for my bucket list :laugh:

You'll have to hurry then, this is the last GP at Estoril for the foreseeable future. Super cheap ticket prices too. The savings are so big that Brits can basically travel free.

I hope they announced the reductions early enough so that people could take advantage of the prices.

denill

5th May 2012, 15:49

Why is that?? I think I'm on the first stand

Hey Rach, you have email

Reckless

5th May 2012, 22:42

Pedro

Win or bust I Reckon!!!

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/portugal+estoril+motogp+free+practice+3+pedrosa

Reckless

6th May 2012, 08:21

Qualifying sorted

Your man just bet my man crasher (yes its official I think i'll support the underdog this year) :bleh:

Damn aint crutchlow doin a great job!!

Stoner
Pedro
Crutchlow

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/portugal+estoril+motogp+qualifying+practice+stoner

What time is the GP on sky here???

Secondly Jake Lewis is doin well Whoohoo! Go that boy! http://www.nzsbk.com/2012/05/european-junior-cup-lewis-takes-second.html?spref=fb thanks NZSBK

cmoore

6th May 2012, 15:05

another odd qualifying session what with possible rain and then the stoppage.and the slower bikes getting in the way...but thats how it goes.....i know they fight for the front row but to be honest it doesn't seem to mean a lot where you started after the first few corners......seems tyre choice will again determine the winner....but hopefully with crutchless and spies up there the onda will get a contest.....so it looks like a shell game again....stoner, pedrosa lorenzo....pedrosa lorenzo stoner......lorenzo pedrosa stoner...lorenzo stoner pedrosa.....or....does anyone think spies or crutch and divi can get there?.....one fast lap is one thing.....25 is another.....

also...someone above said the rain will provide the ducati with a better chance and that this showed the obvious flaw in the bike....does this mean the front end? i.e without confidence in the front end the ducati is not breaking as fast as the others and therefor not getting around as fast??...is it really that simple? oh and when it rains the other bikes are reduced to the same "speed" due to the rain and it is this that evens the bikes up??...just asking....:)

pritch

6th May 2012, 21:10

someone above said the rain will provide the ducati with a better chance and that this showed the obvious flaw in the bike....does this mean the front end? i.e without confidence in the front end the ducati is not breaking as fast as the others and therefor not getting around as fast??...is it really that simple? oh and when it rains the other bikes are reduced to the same "speed" due to the rain and it is this that evens the bikes up??...just asking....:)

I didn't get that either.

I note that Boy George has implied that Crutchlow is dangerous. These thoughts probably prompted by the thought that he has to get round Crutchlow to get to the front.

Dovizioso has criticised Crutchlow's riding style as being a WSBK style inappropriate in GPs. Eugene Laverty suggested Crutchlow refer to Dovi's "250 style".

There is a certain potential for entertainment in all of this. Crutchlow has more in common with Super Sic than I realised.

McWild

6th May 2012, 23:26

Bah, Marquez wins again, the dick. Few racers give me such similar satisfaction to watch eat it, but it just never seems to happen.

He's the boy I love to hate. Anyone agree?

Luthi for champion!

Crasherfromwayback

6th May 2012, 23:30

He's the boy I love to hate. Anyone agree?

!

Me. I also laugh how people think having 40 starters makes better racing. You still have the top three or four guys fuck off at the front.

McWild

6th May 2012, 23:36

Me. I also laugh how people think having 40 starters makes better racing. You still have the top three or four guys fuck off at the front.

I want to believe Moto3 will be any different, but when you see guys like Fenati coming through I feel like I should be excited. But the reality is, I can't help but think "oh great, another boy wonder". At this rate I feel like the only thing that will make for really compelling watching is if they start broadcasting the Red Bull Rookies.

15 year olds with nothing to lose and everything to prove? How can racing get any better?

Crasherfromwayback

6th May 2012, 23:49

How can racing get any better?

Put them all on leaded fuel 500cc two strokes.

McWild

6th May 2012, 23:57

Put them all on leaded fuel 500cc two strokes.

Put up a date with one of the monster energy grid girls and you've got yourself one hell of a race.

carbonhed

7th May 2012, 09:56

Bah, Marquez wins again, the dick. Few racers give me such similar satisfaction to watch eat it, but it just never seems to happen.

He's the boy I love to hate. Anyone agree?

Luthi for champion!

:laugh: Yep definitely a cock but then he's very young. Fkin racer tho... that last lap was scarey brilliant.

Oscar

7th May 2012, 12:27

What is the thing attached to the throttle side of the handle bars of some of the Honda's & Yamaha's?
Camera?

Crasherfromwayback

7th May 2012, 12:33

What is the thing attached to the throttle side of the handle bars of some of the Honda's & Yamaha's?
Camera?

It's fitted to them all now Oscar. Stops the front brake lever being jammed on if you rear end someone.

Oscar

7th May 2012, 12:47

It's fitted to them all now Oscar. Stops the front brake lever being jammed on if you rear end someone.

Makes sense (although us enduro riders figured that out 30 years ago).

Crasherfromwayback

7th May 2012, 12:50

Makes sense (although us enduro riders figured that out 30 years ago).

Yeah although I hope no one gets caught up in one and dragged around by the bike.

I hate bark busters etc. Never used em as a mate I used to race moto-x with went over the bars, got his arm between the bars and the busters, and snapped his arm clean in half.

Oscar

7th May 2012, 13:01

Yeah although I hope no one gets caught up in one and dragged around by the bike.

I hate bark busters etc. Never used em as a mate I used to race moto-x with went over the bars, got his arm between the bars and the busters, and snapped his arm clean in half.

It used to be illegal to use 'em in MX (probably for that reason).
In enduro they were a god send in terms of having yer clutch or brake pulled on, avoiding broken fingers and broken levers. I've still got the spare levers I used to carry on my IT200N, because unlike previous bikes, I never broke 'em.

Crasherfromwayback

7th May 2012, 13:04

It used to be illegal to use 'em in MX (probably for that reason).
In enduro they were a god send in terms of having yer clutch or brake pulled on, avoiding broken fingers and broken levers. I've still got the spare levers I used to carry on my IT200N, because unlike previous bikes, I never broke 'em.

Think it still is.

Yeah great if you do a lot of riding in forests etc!

Oscar

7th May 2012, 13:07

Think it still is.

Yeah great if you do a lot of riding in forests etc!

I don't miss the Monday morning ritual of getting gorse out of yer knuckles.

DidJit

7th May 2012, 14:26

SimJen

7th May 2012, 14:39

If you're a numbers person, here (http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2012/POR/MotoGP/RAC/Analysis.pdf?v1_c59d96e0) is Estoril's lap time data. Kinda easy to see why the Aliens are the Aliens when you can look at their laps like this — lap after lap with differences of only 100ths of a second.

Interesting how consistent the top few are, the top 4 or 5 are doing on average mid 1.37's and Rossi is mostly doing on average mid 1.38's. 1 Second in it or thereabouts.
Looks like it could be anybodies at the front though!

Crasherfromwayback

7th May 2012, 15:11

.
Looks like it could be anybodies at the front though!

Looks to me like if he has to, Stoner can pull the pin at will and fuck off.

Now to get to the TAB...:Punk:

SimJen

7th May 2012, 15:21

not sure he can just pull the pin, but seems to be more consistent than the others!
According to the numbers he also doesn't slack off near the end, so the Honda must be easy on tyres?

DidJit

7th May 2012, 15:32

Looks to me like Stoner is becoming very adept at managing the gap. Lorenzo's onboard footage showed him getting a front wheel near the outside, but that was about it — Lorenzo wouldn't (couldn't?) go around the outside, and Stoner just kept opening that gap back up to about a second.

Hard to tell if (Casey's) Honda is good on tyres as it seems he's always sliding around anyway! ;)

Reckless

8th May 2012, 00:24

Good race repeat of the last one really, bit of a pattern forming with Casey a fraction better than Lorenzo and Lorenzo a fraction better than Pedro.

At least Rossi seems a bit more positive :) The Eurosport guys are betting the Duc is a 6th place bike and thats best it will do for the rest of the season.

The Crutchlow Vs Bautista battle is damn good. They got them Monster bikes going well :)

Generally the order is pretty a good reflection of where they are all at!
Hopefully someone can step up and make the rest of the season a bit more dramatic :)

Mental Trousers

8th May 2012, 19:45

The Crutchlow Vs Bautista battle is damn good. They got them Monster bikes going well :)

Dovizioso

That's been the highlight of the season so far for me. Those 2 are well matched but have different styles of riding and they're both doing the job. Herve must think it's Christmas having the 2 fastest, non-factory riders.

Personally, I want Dovi to come out on top in that duel cos he's a good bugger.

Crasherfromwayback

8th May 2012, 19:48

Dovizioso

That's been the highlight of the season so far for me. Those 2 are well matched but have different styles of riding and they're both doing the job. Herve must think it's Christmas having the 2 fastest, non-factory riders.

Personally, I want Dovi to come out on top in that duel cos he's a good bugger.

Yeah cept he's gotta get rid of one of them to make way for Bradley fucking Smith at the end of the year!!!

Why they think that raving lil homo deserves a spot in Moto GP I'll never know!

Reckless

8th May 2012, 21:21

Yeah cept he's gotta get rid of one of them to make way for Bradley fucking Smith at the end of the year!!!

Why they think that raving lil homo deserves a spot in Moto GP I'll never know!

He only managed 10th last race to. We'll see Marquez up to wont we?? Dunno why but Marquez gives me the shits.
Mind you he is a gifted rider just to smarmy ( is that a word?) for my liking.

Looks like Ducati are 100% behind Rossi and Burgess!!!
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/preziosi%20press%20conference

puddytat

8th May 2012, 21:30

BMWST?

8th May 2012, 21:34

Well I really rate Marquez ,but i think he will be a bit like Stoner that you'll either love or loathe him. I reckon he'll podium in his 1st season in Motogp.
Bradley Smith should give his bike to Jake Lewis.....

he is insanely talented(and scary ruthless) but we will see,there a a few talented blokes up there who cant seem to make a motogp bike go fast

Reckless

8th May 2012, 21:41

Well I really rate Marquez ,but i think he will be a bit like Stoner that you'll either love or loathe him. I reckon he'll podium in his 1st season in Motogp.
Bradley Smith should give his bike to Jake Lewis.....

Yes agree he'll do a bit better than Bradl and he's had a really good start!
Hate to say it but I thought Marquez management of his race it Jerez was masterful, very mature.

Stoner I've always liked his style, best out there atm. Lorenzo just cant quite do it. I'll keep backing Pedro just because I'd like to see him prove the predictions wrong but alas it looks like he'll always be almost good enough! Mind you Pedro was balls out at that last start :) Ah well someone better fall off soon or it'll be Stoner, Lorenzo and Pedro for the rest of the season.

Mental Trousers

8th May 2012, 21:49

He only managed 10th last race to. We'll see Marquez up to wont we?? Dunno why but Marquez gives me the shits.
Mind you he is a gifted rider just to smarmy ( is that a word?) for my liking.

he is insanely talented(and scary ruthless) but we will see,there a a few talented blokes up there who cant seem to make a motogp bike go fast

He's incredibly fast but I don't like his lack of concern for other riders. He'll punt someone off (his fault), they'll get hurt and he'll only be concerned about how it ruined his lap time. For example, after he rammed Wilairot at Phillip Island in statements he said the minimum he could about it and at no time did you get the impression he was sincere or sorry.

Extemely talented but dangerous if you ask me.

BMWST?

8th May 2012, 21:53

He's incredibly fast but I don't like his lack of concern for other riders. He'll punt someone off (his fault), they'll get hurt and he'll only be concerned about how it ruined his lap time. For example, after he rammed Wilairot at Phillip Island in statements he said the minimum he could about it and at no time did you get the impression he was sincere or sorry.

Extemely talented but dangerous if you ask me.

agreed,he can be dangerous,he will hurt himself(or others) if he doesnt take a little care

Reckless

8th May 2012, 21:54

He's incredibly fast but I don't like his lack of concern for other riders. He'll punt someone off (his fault), they'll get hurt and he'll only be concerned about how it ruined his lap time. For example, after he rammed Wilairot at Phillip Island in statements he said the minimum he could about it and at no time did you get the impression he was sincere or sorry.

Extemely talented but dangerous if you ask me.

Agreed 100% but that may make them want him in Moto GP more, they need drama up the top atm now that Simo's not there to do scary shit! They all seem to get on to well to make good TV atm :innocent:

Mental Trousers

8th May 2012, 21:57

Agreed 100% but that may make them want him in Moto GP more, they need drama up the top atm now that Simo's not there to do scary shit! They all seem to get on to well to make good TV atm :innocent:

Difference is all the MotoGP guys would've thought twice about taking a swing at Marco but they'll flatten Marcquez (well maybe not little Danny!!)

puddytat

8th May 2012, 22:34

Awww i dunno, looks like he doesnt scare easy.The way those fellas were racing looks like theyre doing more "racing" than the top guys.....look how well Bradl has slotted in.

roogazza

9th May 2012, 09:43

Yeah cept he's gotta get rid of one of them to make way for Bradley fucking Smith at the end of the year!!!

Why they think that raving lil homo deserves a spot in Moto GP I'll never know!

We agree on that, who's pulling the strings ?
Those pom commentors will be happy.
(They still give me the shits).Was thinking the other night, be good to have someone like that aussie doing the WSB (Martin is it ?) with a bit of knowledge, like Sheene.

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 09:47

Those pom commentors will be happy.
(They still give me the shits).Was thinking the other night, be good to have someone like that aussie doing the WSB (Martin is it ?) with a bit of knowledge, like Sheene.

Give me the fucking job. Be a lot of 'beeps' though!

roogazza

9th May 2012, 09:57

Give me the fucking job. Be a lot of 'beeps' though!

$#$%$$%^&*@#$# !!! so, so true . :laugh::laugh:

k14

9th May 2012, 15:22

Yeah cept he's gotta get rid of one of them to make way for Bradley fucking Smith at the end of the year!!!

Why they think that raving lil homo deserves a spot in Moto GP I'll never know!
I think his daddy has plenty of that stuff that automagically creates rides in world championships :shutup:

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 15:27

I think his daddy has plenty of that stuff that automagically creates rides in world championships :shutup:

Or he likes sucking frogs cocks.

DidJit

9th May 2012, 16:17

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 16:22

SimJen

9th May 2012, 16:23

Leon Haslam for sure, he's the most current rider of the two!

DidJit

9th May 2012, 16:26

Colin put it to Troy who politely declined. :lol:

CHOPPA

9th May 2012, 17:24

Vermullen is nowhere, he quites Suzuki GP team because the bike wasnt competitive then he goes to Kawasaki in WSBK! 2010 Bike....

Would like to see Haslam give it a go

denill

9th May 2012, 17:28

If it's going to be wet Vermuelen would be worth a punt - been a while though.................

carbonhed

9th May 2012, 18:21

I'm puzzled as to why anybody would want to ride it.

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 18:37

I'm puzzled as to why anybody would want to ride it.

To try and outdo Colin so you might get your foot in the door in the GP circus!

Mental Trousers

9th May 2012, 18:47

I'm puzzled as to why anybody would want to ride it.

To try and outdo Colin so you might get your foot in the door in the GP circus!

Or because it's a fucken MotoGP bike man!!! Anyone who said no thanks without a fantastic reason needs to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts. Even if it's just to go to the pub and say I've ridden a MotoGP bike and you haven't you LOSER.

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 19:25

Or because it's a fucken MotoGP bike man!!! Anyone who said no thanks without a fantastic reason needs to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts. Even if it's just to go to the pub and say I've ridden a MotoGP bike and you haven't you LOSER.

Not quite Old Bean. It's a CRT bike.Their Superbikes are probably faster.

Mental Trousers

9th May 2012, 19:34

Not quite Old Bean. It's a CRT bike.Their Superbikes are probably faster.

That's just being picky. It's on the track at the same time as the full prototypes and they're racing for the same points, not a separate championship. Besides, it's looking like a couple of the full prototype riders might be getting regularly embarrassed by the end of the season.

CRT or not it's still far better than anything anyone here will ride.

carbonhed

9th May 2012, 19:34

Or because it's a fucken MotoGP bike man!!! Anyone who said no thanks without a fantastic reason needs to be repeatedly kicked in the nuts. Even if it's just to go to the pub and say I've ridden a MotoGP bike and you haven't you LOSER.

It's a CRT bike with major issues... sounds like a recipe for a really bad weekend.

Mental Trousers

9th May 2012, 19:41

Sounds like a recipe for a great weekend you mean. Everyone thinks it's got issues so if you tour around waving at the crowd nobody is going to think any worse of you. But if you manage to get it close enough and have a good ride and beat a few people you're a farken legend.

Besides, it's finished in front of the Aprilia's 1 out of 2 races. Can't be too terrible.

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 19:47

CRT or not it's still far better than anything anyone here will ride.

All bullshit aside...I'd rather ride a factory RS250. In fact...even the one I had. I've ridden bikes with over 200hp, so that holds no real attraction. A full house 800 or 1000cc GP bike for sure...or even better, a full house 500 smoker. But a CRT BMW powered bastard child?

Doesn't do much for me sorry.

Mental Trousers

9th May 2012, 20:27

FIM confirm wildcards can use 3 engines per weekend. That means each engine built for 2 hours usage max.

Hand grenade anyone?

Crasherfromwayback

9th May 2012, 20:39

Hand grenade anyone?

Oil everywhere anyone?

BMWST?

9th May 2012, 21:08

Besides, it's looking like a couple of the full prototype riders might be getting regularly embarrassed by the end of the season.

i bet a dozen of your favourite brew that that no full prototypes will be regularly embarassed by any crt bike(s)

Mental Trousers

9th May 2012, 21:17

i bet a dozen of your favourite brew that that no full prototypes will be regularly embarassed by any crt bike(s)

That's a pretty safe bet. The Ducati's haven't gotten much better over the last 18 months but the CRT's are only at start of their development cycle. That mad Frenchman has been told his job is to be first CRT but he's out to beat prototypes and rub a few noses in it. Good man if you ask me.

I'm in.

BMWST?

9th May 2012, 22:06

couple of the full prototype riders might be getting regularly embarrassed by the end of the season.

praps you better define these phrases....I am in tho....

Mental Trousers

9th May 2012, 22:57

full prototype = factory bikes (non-CRT) that have 6 engines for the season and 21 litres of fuel each race
regularly embarrassed = finishing behind a CRT

Reckless

10th May 2012, 00:39

Colin Edwards is currently asking his followers on Twitter who they would like to see ride the NGM Forward Suter/BMW bike in Le Mans. He put forward Chris Vermeulen or Leon Haslam. Who would you vote to take his ride at Le Mans (not necessarily CV/LH)? Some commentators immediately suggested Marco Melandri but didn't think BMW would release him (or Haslam) for the race.

Looks like Chris Vermeulen took the ride!!

vermeulen with forward at Le Mans race
Wednesday, 9 May 2012
Australian Chris Vermeulen has been confirmed as the rider replacing the injured Colin Edwards at the forthcoming Le Mans round of the MotoGP™ championship for the NGM Mobile Forward Racing team. Edwards is set to return in four weeks time at Catalunya.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/vermeulen+with+forward+at+Le+Mans+race

denill

10th May 2012, 07:10

Looks like Chris Vermeulen took the ride!!

vermeulen with forward at Le Mans race
Wednesday, 9 May 2012
Australian Chris Vermeulen has been confirmed as the rider replacing the injured Colin Edwards at the forthcoming Le Mans round of the MotoGP™ championship for the NGM Mobile Forward Racing team. Edwards is set to return in four weeks time at Catalunya.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2012/vermeulen+with+forward+at+Le+Mans+race

<a href=http://motomatters.com/press_release/2012/05/09/chris_vermeulen_to_replace_edwards_at_le.html?utm_ source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MotoGPMatters+%28MotoMatters% 29>
And more here:</A>

Like I said earlier, be interesting if it's wet.<_< <_<