MotoGP 2012

[steveyb]

Just call everyone Cabronne and you'll fit right in.

or is that get fitted right up?......

[Oscar]

Yeah worst bit about PI. Although last year...it was fucking awesome!

Spain is fucking fantastic. But learn some Spanish. They don't speak English. Fair enough too. I'll pass on all the Spanish I know...it got me by just fine.

Cerveza por favor. You'll be sweet.

Try Dues cerveses per favor.
If you at least try Catalan they'll be your best mates...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Try Dues cerveses per favor.
If you at least try Catalan they'll be your best mates...

Nah. I was in Valencia mate!

[Oscar]

Nah. I was in Valencia mate!

Oh - try it anyway, you'll prolly get thumped...

[ecko_nzed]

Cerveza por favor. You'll be sweet.

me traes otro trago de puto, por favor? Pero el último porque soy muy maricón

Probably closer to the mark for you Drew

[Reckless]

I know last year is over but came across this nice slomo.

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[tail_end_charlie]

I know last year is over but came across this nice slomo.




Fuck that dude could ride. :shit:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck that dude could ride. :shit:

Aye. Great loss to the sport.

[Oscar]

Aye. Great loss to the sport.

"We got spat at by fans.."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105293
He's a whinging dickhead and a liar who thinks he's bigger than the sport.
Good riddance.

[Crasherfromwayback]

"We got spat at by fans.."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105293
He's a whinging dickhead and a liar who thinks he's bigger than the sport.
Good riddance.

So bitter Oscar. And how do you know he wasn't? And I struggle to see why anyone that's into the sport would not miss seeing someone in action that rides like he does. I can't get my head round it. It's like he's fucked your wife or something.

[Oscar]

So bitter Oscar. And how do you know he wasn't? And I struggle to see why anyone that's into the sport would not miss seeing someone in action that rides like he does. I can't get my head round it. It's like he's fucked your wife or something.

Not bitter, just tired of the spoiled brat pouring bile over the sport I love..

Even Superbike Planet have had enough:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Feb/130204b.htm

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/130130a.htm


As usual, Stoner offered no specifics about his desired changes for the sport, instead preferring just to rage against the machine.

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/130129m.htm

He's left the sport, he should drive his touring car and shut the fuck up now.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not bitter, just tired of the spoiled brat pouring bile over the sport I love..

Even Superbike Planet have had enough:

He's left the sport, he should drive his touring car and shut the fuck up now.

Loving the irony of your posts. Superbike planet sounds as bitter and twisted as you and Stoner combined.

I note Kevin Schwantz feels the need to comment on GP racing on Superbike planet. Is that ok? I mean you know...he won 1 title and not as many races as Stoner. How 'bout Ago? He seems keen on commenting of stuff and he's been gone how long? And if you're such a purist and fan...I still fail to see how you cannot miss watching someone that has surely been...one of if not THE most spectacular racers of modern times.

And pouring bile over the sport I love be fucked. You're just still grumpy because I was right about Stoner being the fastest guy in the world at the time on two wheels, so you cling on to hating him instead.

Funny but a bit sad at the same time.

[merv]

Stoner was a fantastic racer and I liked his down to earth Aussie style and comments and I'm with crasher on this, why are some of you more of a whinger than he is by whinging about him. If you remember his podium press conferences he always referred to "we" so he greatly appreciated he wasn't the only one in the team. No wonder Honda liked him and would have him back no problem.

[Crasherfromwayback]

. No wonder Honda liked him and would have him back no problem.

And I read with great interest how the head honcho was constantly blown away by what Stoner could do on their bike. Just when they thought they'd seen it all, he'd do something else new or different.

Odd though. They claim to be all about the sport...but they're not really. They've confused it with Shortland St.

[tail_end_charlie]

"We got spat at by fans.."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105293
He's a whinging dickhead and a liar who thinks he's bigger than the sport.
Good riddance.


So bitter Oscar. And how do you know he wasn't? And I struggle to see why anyone that's into the sport would not miss seeing someone in action that rides like he does. I can't get my head round it. It's like he's fucked your wife or something.


Not bitter, just tired of the spoiled brat pouring bile over the sport I love..

Even Superbike Planet have had enough:

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Feb/130204b.htm

http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/130130a.htm



http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2013/Jan/130129m.htm

He's left the sport, he should drive his touring car and shut the fuck up now.


Loving the irony of your posts. Superbike planet sounds as bitter and twisted as you and Stoner combined.

I note Kevin Schwantz feels the need to comment on GP racing on Superbike planet. Is that ok? I mean you know...he won 1 title and not as many races as Stoner. How 'bout Ago? He seems keen on commenting of stuff and he's been gone how long? And if you're such a purist and fan...I still fail to see how you cannot miss watching someone that has surely been...one of if not THE most spectacular racers of modern times.

And pouring bile over the sport I love be fucked. You're just still grumpy because I was right about Stoner being the fastest guy in the world at the time on two wheels, so you cling on to hating him instead.

Funny but a bit sad at the same time.


I admire the dude because he is one hell of a rider. As soon as people start talking shit/blindly defending a rider about all the other BS I rapidly loose interest. Does anyone remember the 'ol saying about 'walking a mile in his shoes'?

:mad::angry2:Lets deal with the fucking facts and leave stupid ass conjecture out of this, otherwise it just becomes another KB pissing match. :mad::angry2:

[NZsarge]

I admire the dude because he is one hell of a rider. As soon as people start talking shit/blindly defending a rider about all the other BS I rapidly loose interest. Does anyone remember the 'ol saying about 'walking a mile in his shoes'?

:mad::angry2:Lets deal with the fucking facts and leave stupid ass conjecture out of this, otherwise it just becomes another KB pissing match. :mad::angry2:

Hmmm, I like Stoner's riding style for sure and no doubt the guy is/was one of the very fastest on a Moto GP bike but not all the time, if he was barring mechanical failure he would have won every race he entered. He was on top for certain periods but so were others too hence we have other world champions other than Stoner.
One of my pet peev's is how his fans wank on about how he slides his bike.... look around people, they're all doing it to some extent or another, anyone would think he was the first rider to slide a GP bike!
Now I have that off my chest... I'll be interesting to see how he goes in V8 poopercars, wish him well I truly do.
As for facts and conjecture all we have is what the media decide to sensationalise that day and if anyone tells you they know what's really going they're lying. All comments on this sort of stuff here on KB is ALWAYS conjecture and coloured by the rose tinted sunglasses of the wearer and there's nothing too much wrong with that, we are fans and we have favourites, that's the way it is. People are always going to raise up there hero's and piss on their competitor's.
That said I think Stoner is a fast riding self important little cock!
Am I right? Who knows... really...
Oh yeah, Rossi rules! :laugh:

[Crasherfromwayback]

:mad::angry2:Lets deal with the fucking facts and leave stupid ass conjecture out of this, otherwise it just becomes another KB pissing match. :mad::angry2:

Gotta go to the toilet at some stage!

[Bender]

And I read with great interest how the head honcho was constantly blown away by what Stoner could do on their bike. Just when they thought they'd seen it all, he'd do something else new or different.

+ 1.

I took that comment to also mean Stoner brought new ideas to the team, I think the Honda guy's words were "every day." So he wasn't just riding, he was thinking about how to make the bike better too.

[Oscar]

Loving the irony of your posts. Superbike planet sounds as bitter and twisted as you and Stoner combined.

I note Kevin Schwantz feels the need to comment on GP racing on Superbike planet. Is that ok? I mean you know...he won 1 title and not as many races as Stoner. How 'bout Ago? He seems keen on commenting of stuff and he's been gone how long? And if you're such a purist and fan...I still fail to see how you cannot miss watching someone that has surely been...one of if not THE most spectacular racers of modern times.

And pouring bile over the sport I love be fucked. You're just still grumpy because I was right about Stoner being the fastest guy in the world at the time on two wheels, so you cling on to hating him instead.

Funny but a bit sad at the same time.

The only irony at work is the fact that Superbike Planet was a Stoner cheering section whilst he was riding and is now (like a lot of people) just wishing he would shut up and go away.
I mean, fans spitting on him?
Really?
Is there any evidence to back that up?

[sugilite]

I mean, fans spitting on him?
Really?
Is there any evidence to back that up?

Yeah, he should of taken photos and DNA swabs to prove to the naysayers in the internet! Sheesh bro, I didn't know rubbish bins had internet access on sesame street!

[Oscar]

Yeah, he should of taken photos and DNA swabs to prove to the naysayers in the internet! Sheesh bro, I didn't know rubbish bins had internet access on sesame street!

Have you ever been to a MotoGP?
I think if some fans had of taken it upon themselves to expectorate on Mr. Stoner, it would have made the news.

The point is that his constant stream of complaints, clothed in the aura of the "Aussie Straight Shooter" just don't stand up to close inspection.
Shit, he even had a crack at Aussie V8's, before he even got there...

[Crasherfromwayback]

I mean, fans spitting on him?
Really?
Is there any evidence to back that up?

Having been to a GP in Spain...I can believe it. They're fucking nutters. You've been. And look at how the Poms boo the fuck out of him. Since he retaliated by calling them all arseholes...do you think they too might spit at him?

[Oscar]

Having been to a GP in Spain...I can believe it. They're fucking nutters. You've been. And look at how the Poms boo the fuck out of him. Since he retaliated by calling them all arseholes...do you think they too might spit at him?

Come on, Mate - if someone had hocked a loogee on him, don't you think that it would have made the news?
As the founder and sole member of the I Wanna Have Casey's Babies Club, I would have expected that you would have commented on it long and loud at the time...

[sugilite]

Have you ever been to a MotoGP?
I think if some fans had of taken it upon themselves to expectorate on Mr. Stoner, it would have made the news.

The point is that his constant stream of complaints, clothed in the aura of the "Aussie Straight Shooter" just don't stand up to close inspection.
Shit, he even had a crack at Aussie V8's, before he even got there...

He speaks his mind, as do you. I wonder if he was in front of you if you would be so scathing, disbelieving and speculative to his face?

I've not been to a MotoGP, but from what I understand many fans try to get autographs when the riders are on their way back from the podium, long after the cameras stop rolling and the reporters are on their way to the bar. So it would not surprise me one bit if he got spat on and it did not get reported. I certainly would not call him out as a liar just because there was no "proof".

[Crasherfromwayback]

Come on, Mate - if someone had hocked a loogee on him, don't you think that it would have made the news?
.

Ummm...it has. I want babies with his Mrs. And now I'm wondering if it was when she was on the back of the scooter with him. Maybe it wasn't spit after all...:innocent:

[Badjelly]

I don't know if any fan ever spat on Casey, but it's well known that many fans didn't like him, and this is not unrelated to the fact that he frequently treated them with disdain or contempt.

He is (was) a great racer with a truckload of chips on his shoulder. Do we have to argue about that?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Do we have to argue about that?

Think we're all just getting cranky waiting for the racing to start. I know I am!

[sugilite]

I feel fans get too precious about racers. By nature a racer at the top level needs to be self absorbed, selfish, aggressive and arrogant (I'm better than all the rest etc). Those traits do not always translate well to people skills. Sure there appear to be exceptions like Nicky Haden, but when the visor is down, you can bet he is as aggressive and combative as any (No, you go 1st good sir? yeah right!). We come to expect these racers to be at the pointy end, and most need those traits to do so, then we expect them to have personality transplants when they get off their bikes? I feel it should also be noted that reporters are paid to get any sensational sound byte they can, and context often becomes collateral damage. Unless I heard a totally unedited transcript, I don't take reports to seriously.

And yeah, lets get the racing started already! :yes:

[denill]

I feel fans get too precious about racers. By nature a racer at the top level needs to be self absorbed, selfish, aggressive and arrogant (I'm better than all the rest etc). Those traits do not always translate well to people skills. Sure there appear to be exceptions like Nicky Haden, but when the visor is down, you can bet he is as aggressive and combative as any (No, you go 1st good sir? yeah right!). We come to expect these racers to be at the pointy end, and most need those traits to do so, then we expect them to have personality transplants when they get off their bikes? I feel it should also be noted that reporters are paid to get any sensational sound byte they can, and context often becomes collateral damage. Unless I heard a totally unedited transcript, I don't take reports to seriously.

And yeah, lets get the racing started already! :yes:

Well reasoned and rational. Something rare on KB.............

[Badjelly]

Well reasoned and rational. Something rare on KB.............

Except in the writings of your good self, obviously. :innocent:

[merv]

Whatever you are trying to say Oscar I am absolutely sure the Rossi fans and the Lorenzo fans did not like their men getting beaten by the little Aussie battler and in that respect they are no different than in other sports. Did Stoner get spat at - I am sure he did along with stuff thrown at him.

When our man Croz complained about the state of 500GP and team management and all that stuff back in the 80's, he came home to NZ still as our hero. I don't remember anyone calling him a whinger at the time when he quit like Stoner. Why not? Well he was a Kiwi and our man and not some Aussie whinger.

[onearmedbandit]

Didn't this all happen last year?

[sugilite]

Didn't this all happen last year?
Please don't disturb us while we are being anal retentive, shessh. :laugh:

[Badjelly]

Didn't this all happen last year?

Yeah. That's why the thread is called MotoGP 2012. A bunch of grumpy old guys reminiscing about the old days.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah. That's why the thread is called MotoGP 2012. A bunch of grumpy old guys reminiscing about the old days.

Fuck yeah.

[Oscar]

Didn't this all happen last year?

Yup. But Pete still lurvs Casey, no matter what the date is...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yup. But Pete still lurvs Casey, no matter what the date is...

Aye. I feel a bit slutty though. As I love Doohan, Lawson, Rainey, Mamola, King Kenny and Spencer too! I'd still be wanking on about them...but they were before chat rooms for boys!

[Oscar]

Whatever you are trying to say Oscar I am absolutely sure the Rossi fans and the Lorenzo fans did not like their men getting beaten by the little Aussie battler and in that respect they are no different than in other sports. Did Stoner get spat at - I am sure he did along with stuff thrown at him.

When our man Croz complained about the state of 500GP and team management and all that stuff back in the 80's, he came home to NZ still as our hero. I don't remember anyone calling him a whinger at the time when he quit like Stoner. Why not? Well he was a Kiwi and our man and not some Aussie whinger.

The only difference being that Croz was correct (something he doesn't make a habit of).
The thing with Stoner is that he whinged about shit that he obviously didn't understand.
Classic example - he bagged Dorna/IRTA for the then current rules, rules that had been promulgated by the the teams association (which was/is dominated by his employer, Honda).

[Drew]

Yeah. That's why the thread is called MotoGP 2012. A bunch of grumpy old guys reminiscing about the old days.


Fuck yeah.Speak for yourselves!

[denill]

By nature a racer at the top level needs to be self absorbed, selfish, aggressive and arrogant (I'm better than all the rest etc):

Of course you're right. And of course that applies to ANY sportsperson who is to be in with a chance of winning. if that pisses people off - se la vie............

[steveyb]

Of course you're right. And of course that applies to ANY sportsperson who is to be in with a chance of winning. if that pisses people off - c'est la vie............

Fixed it for ya

[slowpoke]

By nature a racer at the top level needs to be self absorbed, selfish, aggressive and arrogant (I'm better than all the rest etc). Those traits do not always translate well to people skills. Sure there appear to be exceptions like Nicky Haden, but when the visor is down, you can bet he is as aggressive and combative as any (No, you go 1st good sir? yeah right!). We come to expect these racers to be at the pointy end, and most need those traits to do so, then we expect them to have personality transplants when they get off their bikes? I feel it should also be noted that reporters are paid to get any sensational sound byte they can, and context often becomes collateral damage. Unless I heard a totally unedited transcript, I don't take reports to seriously.

And yeah, lets get the racing started already! :yes:


Of course you're right. And of course that applies to ANY sportsperson who is to be in with a chance of winning. if that pisses people off - se la vie............

So what are you guys saying? It's OK to be a wanker if you're a winner? That you NEED to be a wanker to be a winner? A winner of what exactly? You have to be a lil' bit of a tosser to be a club champ, a bigger wanker to be National champ and a world class fuckwit to become a World Champion?

Nup, that just doesn't sit right with me.

Talent and determination have nothing to do with personality, and unfortunately that means some talented wankers doing very bloody well.....in all walks of life. Luckily, for every Carl Fogarty there is a Troy Bayliss, for Quade Cooper there's Dan Carter etc. If Joey Dunlop can be a deadset champion on both closed and roads circuits, then turn around weld the doors of his van shut and personally accumulate and drive humanitarian aid to Romania what excuse does everyone else have? There isn't one, and there is no NEED for one.

Sure, competitive spirit and self belief etc are requirements on track, but what has that to do with behaviour off the field or track? If Richie McCaw can compete man on man in a far more intimate adversarial sport complete with knees to the head etc then turn around a minute later shake the guys hand and conduct a perfectly civilised interview on camera in front of 40000 peoiple why do we put up with the spoilt shits in our sport? More people need to stop making excuses and call crap behaviour what is, then maybe there'd be a bit less of it. Some of the young men living in the rarefied atmosphere of MotoGP may just need some real life experience to develop more complete/balanced personalities....but that doesn't stop them being total wankers in the here and now and they should be called on it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So what are you guys saying? It's OK to be a wanker if you're a winner? That you NEED to be a wanker to be a winner? A winner of what exactly? You have to be a lil' bit of a tosser to be a club champ, a bigger wanker to be National champ and a world class fuckwit to become a World Champion?

Nup, that just doesn't sit right with me.



Agree 100%. Fuck me...I know champs from both camps. But there's no way in hell you'll convince me you need to be a cunt to win. Just that the cunts use it as an excuse.

[Wingnut]

So what are you guys saying? It's OK to be a wanker if you're a winner? That you NEED to be a wanker to be a winner? A winner of what exactly? You have to be a lil' bit of a tosser to be a club champ, a bigger wanker to be National champ and a world class fuckwit to become a World Champion?

Nup, that just doesn't sit right with me.

Talent and determination have nothing to do with personality, and unfortunately that means some talented wankers doing very bloody well.....in all walks of life. Luckily, for every Carl Fogarty there is a Troy Bayliss, for Quade Cooper there's Dan Carter etc. If Joey Dunlop can be a deadset champion on both closed and roads circuits, then turn around weld the doors of his van shut and personally accumulate and drive humanitarian aid to Romania what excuse does everyone else have? There isn't one, and there is no NEED for one.

Sure, competitive spirit and self belief etc are requirements on track, but what has that to do with behaviour off the field or track? If Richie McCaw can compete man on man in a far more intimate adversarial sport complete with knees to the head etc then turn around a minute later shake the guys hand and conduct a perfectly civilised interview on camera in front of 40000 peoiple why do we put up with the spoilt shits in our sport? More people need to stop making excuses and call crap behaviour what is, then maybe there'd be a bit less of it. Some of the young men living in the rarefied atmosphere of MotoGP may just need some real life experience to develop more complete/balanced personalities....but that doesn't stop them being total wankers in the here and now and they should be called on it.

Couldn't agree more. Do you think their spoilt arogance is a product of their spoilt arrogant upbringing perhaps?

Shit you just need to go to a NZ MX event to see some examples....

[sugilite]

So what are you guys saying? It's OK to be a wanker if you're a winner? That you NEED to be a wanker to be a winner? A winner of what exactly? You have to be a lil' bit of a tosser to be a club champ, a bigger wanker to be National champ and a world class fuckwit to become a World Champion?


What I said was By nature a racer at the top level needs to be self absorbed, selfish, aggressive and arrogant (I'm better than all the rest etc). And I stand by that.
Self absorbed/selfish means living breathing motorcycle racing to the point nothing much else exists.
Aggressive - As Biaggi pointed out, motorcycle racing is not ball room dancing Ever seen a passive racer win anything at motogp level? Or even be in a motogp race?
Arrogant - I'm better than everyone else, wanting to be the fastest is having a big ego.

I read an article written a few years ago by GP corespondent Michael Scot that said similar stuff to what it takes to be a World champ, he quoted riders like Wayne Rainy, Kevin Shwantz, Eddie Lawson, and Wayne Gardener who all admitted too and gave examples of the traits I mentioned. (both on and off the track, Wayne Rainy in particular was very candid). In a way as a racer the article upset me and I thought about it a lot, and had to admit for me at least it was right. As a racer I was arrogant and did have a bloody big ego. I seemed nice and relaxed enough off the bike sure, or at least thats what people told me, but when the flag dropped, I manifested all those traits in spades.
Sure you can easily pick out people that are exceptions (though I noted of your examples, none bar Bayliss had won a single motogp race) from bike racing and other sports, but the experienced names quoted in that article are hard to argue against.

So thats what I was saying, I thought it was pretty clear I was talking about top level motorcycle racers and not club racers or individual rugby players. I was just getting tired of bike fans thinking Stoner owed them only the best manners and graciousness.

It not sitting right with you is your right.

Good on you for quoting my post and commenting, but I would like to say I did not mention the word wanker, tosser or fuckwit anywhere in my post.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I read an article written a few years ago by GP corespondent Michael Scot that said similar stuff to what it takes to be a World champ, he quoted riders like Wayne Rainy, Kevin Shwantz, Eddie Lawson, and Wayne Gardener who all admitted too and gave examples of the traits I mentioned..

Notice the one other common thing bar Gardner? And Lawson isn't like the reast you've mentioned. Freddie Spencer seems like a nice chap too. Ever met Fred Merkel? He's a GC. But Matt Mladin and Anthony Gobert are fucking arseholes.

Off road racing is probably even more aggressive than road racing. Ever met Stefan Merriman? He could've made it to the top road racing as well. The King Bros?

It's a cop out to say you need to be arrogant...no matter your definition of arrogance.

[sugilite]

Notice the one other common thing bar Gardner? And Lawson isn't like the reast you've mentioned. Freddie Spencer seems like a nice chap too. Ever met Fred Merkel? He's a GC. But Matt Mladin and Anthony Gobert are fucking arseholes.

Off road racing is probably even more aggressive than road racing. Ever met Stefan Merriman? He could've made it to the top road racing as well. The King Bros?

It's a cop out to say you need to be arrogant...no matter your definition of arrogance.

I'm not out to paint all racers with the same brush.
Sure heaps of nice champions. Your a top bloke Pete, but when you lined
Up for your nz gp winning performance, were you not wanting to
Kick every riders arse you were up against. You backed your self to the max, yes?
P.s this my 1st post on my phone, so beware, dummy on a smart phone lol
Hope my post kinda making sense, I mainly talking about on bike attitude.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I'm not out to paint all racers with the same brush.
.

I know you're not mate. But I still believe the general assumption that most top performers are arrogant is false. Yes they want to beat every other cunt...waste of time being there if they don't believe that. But you CAN be nice at the same time.