Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[yokel]

[IMG]
Note the name Reinhard AKA the Final solution.
Between March and July 1943 nineteen transports left from Westerbork to Sobibor
Tuesday 2 March 1943
1105 deportees
no survivors
Wednesday 10 March 1943
1105 deportees
13 survivors
Wednesday 17 March 1943
964 deportees
1 survivor
Tuesday 23 March 1943
1250 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 30 March 1943
1255 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 6 April 1943
2020 deportees
2 survivors
Tuesday 13 April 1943
1204 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 20 April 1943
1166 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 27 April 1943
1204 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 4 May 1943
1187 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 11 May 1943
1446 deportees
1 survivor
Tuesday 18 May 1943
2511 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 25 May 1943
2862 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 1 June 1943
3006 deportees
1 survivor
Tuesday 8 June 1943
3017 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 29 June 1943
2397 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 6 July 1943
2417 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 13 July 1943
1988 deportees
no survivors
Tuesday 20 July 1943
2209 deportees
no survivors

the Sobibor survivors


Elias Isak Alex Cohen (Groningen 27 September 1905)
17 March 1943

Judith Eliazar (Rotterdam 3 December 1914)
10 March 1943
Bertha Ensel (Amsterdam 23 May 1924)
10 March 1943
Selina Ensel (Amsterdam 9 April 1926)
10 March 1943
Sophia Huisman (Rotterdam 22 January 1926)
10 March 1943
Mirjam Penha-Blitz (Amsterdam 5 June 1916)
10 March 1943
Cato Polak ( Den Haag 4 December 1920)
10 March 1943
Suzanne Polak (Den Haag 7 February 1926)
10 March 1943
Surry Polak (Den Haag 18 September 1912)
10 March 1943
Bertha van Praag (Amsterdam 9 May 1928)
10 March 1943
Debora van Praag (Amsterdam 6 March 1926)
10 March 1943
Sophie Verduin (Amsterdam 30 April 1926)
10 March 1943
Jetje Veterman (Zwolle 3 June 1923)
10 March 1943
Sientje Veterman (Zwolle 17 April 1922)
10 March 1943

Jules Schelvis (Amsterdam 7 January 1921)
1 June 1943

Ursula Stern (Stelle (D.) 28 August 1926)
6 April 1943


Jozef Wins (Amsterdam 23 September 1915)
11 May 1943

Selma Wijnberg (Groningen 15 May 1922)
6 April 1943

Even if I squint my eyes I still don't see that production line in your post.
BTW if you're going to exterminate and dispose 11 mill people over say 5 years you're looking at processing some 6 thousand people a day every day.

It's ironic how anal retentive the Germans are yet somehow the toll at Auschwitz had to be reduced by 3 million, that's no small number.

[Madness]

I can believe it. What the fuck is there to interest anyone there?

Lake Alice?

Featherston is the same in my opinion. Like a big open-aired gas chamber but without the gas, or the chamber.

[Drew]

Lake Alice?

Featherston is the same in my opinion. Like a big open-aired gas chamber but without the gas, or the chamber.

I suppose it is a bit. Doesn't look as run down though.

[Akzle]

Yes.

Given that most of the victims were the Women, the young and the elderly - their corpses aren't exactly going to be offering the same resistance as a morbidly obese american.

It's almost like you don't think about these factors to preserve your lunacy....

methinks your lacking in corpse handling experience. carcasses are heavy yo. even emaciated Jewish folk.

[Katman]

Yes I've seen plenty of docos and movies, they tell a somewhat believable story but how true is it ?

http://youtu.be/1uJEE3thwmk

That's an extremely interesting video.

It's a pity so few here will bother to watch it.

[MrMarko]

Even if I squint my eyes I still don't see that production line in your post.
BTW if you're going to exterminate and dispose 11 mill people over say 5 years you're looking at processing some 6 thousand people a day every day.

It's ironic how anal retentive the Germans are yet somehow the toll at Auschwitz had to be reduced by 3 million, that's no small number.

You havn't looked at the history whatsoever... there were over 30 camps and it is actually quoted at more like 10,000 per day...

I'd advise you go look at the history here not just what suits your agenda and fucking learn something and then make an informed decision because right now you just look like a moron.

You cunts are like stuck records going around and around on a loop going CONSPIRACY CONSPIRACY

Its like the fucking religion thread all over again

MAN ON A CLOUD MAN ON A CLOUD.

[nzspokes]

That's an extremely interesting video.

It's a pity so few here will bother to watch it.

Its also bullshit.

Waiting on your research.

[MrMarko]

Interesting insight into the human brain though, it really is.

Continue.

[Katman]

Its also bullshit.

Did you watch it?

[husaberg]

Even if I squint my eyes I still don't see that production line in your post.
BTW if you're going to exterminate and dispose 11 mill people over say 5 years you're looking at processing some 6 thousand people a day every day.

It's ironic how anal retentive the Germans are yet somehow the toll at Auschwitz had to be reduced by 3 million, that's no small number.

This is why you are an idiot. Not worth the time it takes to type out this reply.

[nzspokes]

Did you watch it?

Been seeing and reading that kind of bullshit for 30 years, where is your research?

[MrMarko]

This is why you are an idiot. Not worth the time it takes to type out this reply.

Literally too stupid to insult. :facepalm:

[Katman]

Been seeing and reading that kind of bullshit for 30 years, where is your research?

Did you watch this particular video?

[Katman]

I'm astounded by the sheer fucking stupidity of someone who can claim something is bullshit without even watching it.

[MrMarko]

I'm astounded by the sheer fucking stupidity of someone who can claim something is bullshit without even watching it.

I'm astounded at the sheer fucking stupidity of people who read a conspiracy theory on anything and immediately take that side and write off all credible evidence of the actual events that is right in their face.

Who then proceed to bash other people over the head with that conspiracy and abuse them because they disagree.

[Akzle]

Answer my fucken question ya queen shaped cunt. Did the Germans kill millions of captive Jews or not?

if any were killed, as opposed to dying in (legal) PRISONER OF WAR camps of typhus, malnutrition etc, then the number is a whole lot closer to 800,000, than 6million.

that is. statistically irrelevant.

[nzspokes]

Did you watch this particular video?

Yes, Bullshit.

Where is your research?

[yokel]

This is why you are an idiot. Not worth the time it takes to type out this reply.

There was no info on a production line in your post so it was completely pointless.

[Woodman]

I'm astounded by the sheer fucking stupidity of someone who can claim something is bullshit without even watching it.

Are you saying that you have watched just as many holocaust believers youtubes as holocaust denial youtubes ?

[Katman]

Yes, Bullshit.

Bullshit you watched the video.

What was it he said about the Nuremberg Trials?

[Woodman]

if any were killed, as opposed to dying in (legal) PRISONER OF WAR camps of typhus, malnutrition etc, then the number is a whole lot closer to 800,000, than 6million.

that is. statistically irrelevant.

800,000 as a percentage of 6,000,000 is not a stastically irrelevant number.

[nzspokes]

Bullshit you watched the video.



:laugh::laugh:

[Katman]

:laugh::laugh:

Refer post #2264.

[Akzle]

credible evidence of the actual events.

ciotation required

[nzspokes]

Refer post #2264.

Where is the research?

[MrMarko]

ciotation required

*citation ...

Try going back to my links about uhh 2 hours ago...

I'll give you some time to catch up lil fella.

[Akzle]

800,000 as a percentage of 6,000,000 is not a stastically irrelevant number.

sorry. compare to the verifiable 22million not-Jewish killed.

[Madness]

Where's Ed when you need him?

[husaberg]

Literally too stupid to insult. :facepalm:

Yeah, it could be shorten to Yokel
Like, gee that cretin eating paste on the TV, is sure making a Yokel of himself.

[husaberg]

Answer my fucken question ya queen shaped cunt. Did the Germans kill millions of captive Jews or not?

The guy katman and yokel have described as the worlds leading holocaust expert and have often quoted. Ie the worlds most famous holocaust denier seems to be saying they did.


Irving, 2010:

On recent visit to Treblinka in July of 2010, historian David Irving said "There can be no doubt at all that the Nazis did murder hundreds of thousands of Jews by machine gunning them into pits all along the eastern front and in the Aktion Reinhardt camps, of which this camp, Treblinka, is one."



"I've shown them the documents proving the murders," asserts Mr Irving. One controversial telegram intercepted by the British shows that Operation Reinhardt killed 1,274,166 people in 1942 alone - a number which is corroborated by other documents.


David Irving's interest in Treblinka and the other Reinhardt camps stems from his current work on Heinrich Himmler's biography. Irving's research has led him to believe that Himmler was "the brains behind the operation" and was responsible for the mass killings.

What you need to ask Katman is, if he is a member of any white power or similar organisations. He certainly visits a lot of these sites and has been caught linking them.

[Akzle]

*citation ...

Try going back to my links about uhh 2 hours ago...

I'll give you some time to catch up lil fella.

no. I cbf scrolling back that far. but if it has 6 MILLION JOOS KILLED LOLWUT as the headline, it's probably horseshit.

did it has EVIDENCEs?

[TheDemonLord]

methinks your lacking in corpse handling experience. carcasses are heavy yo. even emaciated Jewish folk.

Yes, but there is a world of difference between 110 Kg All Black Player and a 20 Kg emaciated Jewish child or a 45 Kg emaciated Jewish lady.

And you are assuming that all corpses would be pilled up by the door.

[Katman]

And you are assuming that all corpses would be pilled up by the door.

If they were all clamouring to get out then it would be fair to expect that there would be a large pile by the door.

[MrMarko]

no. I cbf scrolling back that far. but if it has 6 MILLION JOOS KILLED LOLWUT as the headline, it's probably horseshit.

did it has EVIDENCEs?

So even after having evidence provided to you.... then asking for evidence.... then being told again i have already posted the evidence in the form of the origional official narrated report by an investigator of the us army from 1945. that shows all of it...

You wont even look at the very evidence you keep asking for when it is provided. because you cant be arsed?

I'm outta this thread. Seriously this is a complete and utter waste of time.

[TheDemonLord]

If they were all clamouring to get out then it would be fair to expect that there would be a large pile by the door.

Until they realised they couldn't break down the door (cause it opens inwards) they might try alternate means of escape.

[yokel]

Yes, but there is a world of difference between 110 Kg All Black Player and a 20 Kg emaciated Jewish child or a 45 Kg emaciated Jewish lady.

And you are assuming that all corpses would be pilled up by the door.

But in the video I posted the Jew crematorium operator said all the fat especially from the women is what helped the bodies burn.

The were apparently packed to capacity so they will be pilled up by the door.

[TheDemonLord]

But in the video I posted the Jew crematorium operator said all the fat especial from the women is what helped the bodies burn.

Yes.

Even emaciated people have Fat cells in their body (which will render down) and burn.


The were apparently packed to capacity so there will be pilled up by the door.

A percentage will be pilled by the door. not all.

[Katman]

<img src="https://furtherglory.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/airraiddoor.jpg"/>

[Maha]

A Question for both Camps (excuse the pun)

Do either of you have irrefutable proof to back up your personal belief that, the Holocaust did or did not happen to the extent that it has been reported for the past 70 years or so?

[FatMax]

A Question for both Camps (excuse the pun)

Do either of you have irrefutable proof to back up your personal belief that, the Holocaust did or did not happen to the extent that it has been reported for the past 70 years or so?


Ask Liam Neeson....

324760

[TheDemonLord]

A Question for both Camps (excuse the pun)

Do either of you have irrefutable proof to back up your personal belief that, the Holocaust did or did not happen to the extent that it has been reported for the past 70 years or so?

Define irrefutable.

If we go down the philosophical route (Paging Dr Bandit) - then there is no such thing as irrefutable.

Me personally, I'd say the written and aural testimony of Survivors, captors and liberators, the Physical evidence that backs up their testimony, the Photographic and video evidence that further backs up the testimony and the physical evidence is enough for me to conclude that it happened.

[Laava]

personally, I'd say the written and aural testimony of Survivors, captors and liberators, the Physical evidence that backs up their testimony, the Photographic and video evidence that further backs up the testimony and the physical evidence is enough for me to conclude that it happened.

Ah, but that's just what they want you to think! :msn-wink:

[Maha]

Define irrefutable.

If we go down the philosophical route (Paging Dr Bandit) - then there is no such thing as irrefutable.

Me personally, I'd say the written and aural testimony of Survivors, captors and liberators, the Physical evidence that backs up their testimony, the Photographic and video evidence that further backs up the testimony and the physical evidence is enough for me to conclude that it happened.

Absolute proof then... I care less about semantics in this instance.
The written and aural testimony of Survivors, captors and liberators? yes cannot argue with that, after all, they were there unlike those who were not until born after 1945.

[Katman]

Let's not forget - history is written by the victors.

[TheDemonLord]

Ah, but that's just what they want you to think! :msn-wink:

which brings us to the circular nature of the oppositions argument:

In order to dismiss the evidence to prove that the Holocaust has happened, it must be a Conspiracy.
It's a conspiracy becuase there is no evidence.

(then repeat as necessary in order to complete the brain-washing)

[TheDemonLord]

Let's not forget - history is written by the victors.

And Conspiracies are written by Delusional lunatics.

[Maha]

And Conspiracies are written by Delusional lunatics.

...that easily entice the equally Delusional to subscribe to what has not been witnessed...almost in a religious way.

[sidecar bob]

A Question for both Camps (excuse the pun)

Do either of you have irrefutable proof to back up your personal belief that, the Holocaust did or did not happen to the extent that it has been reported for the past 70 years or so?

I did put that to katman earlier in the thread, but instead of answering, he just red blinged me with the comment "fuck off shit for brains" which probably means no.

[Maha]

I did put that to katman earlier in the thread, but instead of answering, he just red blinged me with the comment "fuck off shit for brains" which probably means no.

Are you sure wasn't kommen hier meine Liebe will ich Ihre Wurst

[Katman]

I did put that to katman earlier in the thread, but instead of answering, he just red blinged me with the comment "fuck off shit for brains" which probably means no.

Well have you got any logical reason why a gas chamber would have an inward opening door in the corner of the room so that it opens in towards another wall?

[Drew]

Let's not forget - history is written by the victors.

That's simply not true post 1900. Records are kept by damn near everyone in the modern world.

I dunno why, but I need to kow whether you believe Hitler had millions of Jews murdered while in his captivity or not? Yes or no please.

[Drew]

Well have you got any logical reason why a gas chamber would have an inward opening door in the corner of the room so that it opens in towards another wall?
More than one door? This is your idea of evidence that there were no gas chambers? Did all of the chambers have inward opening doors? Do you not have experience of an engineer doing something daft, and then coming up with a bunch of shit to make it seem intentional?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Katman]

More than one door?

Both of Auschwitz's 'supposed' gas chamber doors opened inwards.

Both are in the corner of the room opening in towards another wall.

[Katman]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Let's not forget which one of us is the one with psychological issues Drew.

[yokel]

And Conspiracies are written by Delusional lunatics.

You do realize that the holocaust is a conspiracy theory??

And when you actually look at the evidence it to had to be dreamed up by delusional lunatics.

After reviewing all the New information to me regarding this conspiracy it's quite clear that it didn't not happen.

[sidecar bob]

Well have you got any logical reason why a gas chamber would have an inward opening door in the corner of the room so that it opens in towards another wall?

I work on BMW's all day, it sounds perfectly normal German logic to me.

[Katman]

The Germans were meticulous with their record keeping. (Probably DemonLord-like - only without the autism).

So why is there no record of procedure for their operation of homicidal gas chambers?

[FatMax]

I had my bike converted to run on Zyclon B

[MrMarko]

The Germans were meticulous with their record keeping. (Probably DemonLord-like - only without the autism).

So why is there no record of procedure for their operation of homicidal gas chambers?

Dear diary:

Killed 10,000 jews in an act of genocide today, which is a war crime.

So i'm going to keep lots of evidence of this.

:lol:

[Katman]

Perhaps they just threw sparrows into the chamber and when the sparrows stopped dropping dead it was then deemed safe to go in and retrieve the bodies.

[Woodman]

Well have you got any logical reason why a gas chamber would have an inward opening door in the corner of the room so that it opens in towards another wall?

Are you saying that some german builder didn't get assholes from the gassers for putting the door on backwards?

Are you saying that the door couldn't just be pushed open a bit so someone could squeeze through and clear the debris?

Are you saying that all the gas chambers were the same?

Are you saying that you have operated a gas chamber and that you know for a fact that an inward opening door is wrong?

Are you saying that Germans build everything perfectly? BTW I own a BMW and they definitely make fuckups.

Are you saying that you are now going to redrep me and call me a fucking retard again?

[TheDemonLord]

You do realize that the holocaust denial is a conspiracy theory??

And when you actually look at the evidence it to had to be dreamed up by delusional lunatics.

After reviewing all the New information to me regarding this conspiracy it's quite clear that I'm a delusional lunatic.

I've fixed it for you.

[haydes55]

Do anti-vaxers vaccinate their pets?

[MrMarko]

Perhaps they just threw sparrows into the chamber and when the sparrows stopped dropping dead it was then deemed safe to go in and retrieve the bodies.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/301759219072-0-1/s-l1000.jpg

[Maha]

:killingme ..and you guys think Ed is nuts, the irony is slapping you in the face....with a chair.

[MrMarko]

Are you saying that you are now going to redrep me and call me a fucking retard again?

Awww i thought i was special :weep:

[Drew]

Let's not forget which one of us is the one with psychological issues Drew.

Hard for me to forget. Seems like you're struggling to accept your issues.

[MrMarko]

Hard for me to forget. Seems like you're struggling to accept your issues.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kEW0gD3l_U

[MrMarko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWgNDgbvwiU

[Laava]

the holocaust is a conspiracy theory??

it didn't not happen.

Make your mind up! You are nearly as retarded as Katman. He only has inwards opening doors on his brain, and he has been listening to too much bullshit. There is a very toxic overload happening in there!

[nzspokes]

Well have you got any logical reason why a gas chamber would have an inward opening door in the corner of the room so that it opens in towards another wall?

Because it would be unlikely there will be many bodies blocking the door. If any.

[Katman]

Because it would be unlikely there will be many bodies blocking the door. If any.

Really?

You don't think that people would rush to the door to try to get out?

[BuzzardNZ]

:killingme ..and you guys think Ed is nuts,

Ed is ​nuts!

[MrMarko]

Really?

You don't think that people would rush to the door to try to get out?

Pretty hard to rush for a door when you have been nearly starved to death and are being gassed.

[nzspokes]

A Question for both Camps (excuse the pun)

Do either of you have irrefutable proof to back up your personal belief that, the Holocaust did or did not happen to the extent that it has been reported for the past 70 years or so?

Well due to the time irrefutable is impossible either.

But I have been to a death camp. My uncle was at a camp just after it was liberated and spoke of it. Confessions, photos, newsreels etc is enough to lead me to believe it happened.

[MrMarko]

Really?

You don't think that people would rush to the door to try to get out?



They wouldn't have taken them in for a shower past the crematorium, so is it only the crematorium door that opens in that direction?

Because then its no issue to clear bodies to then open the crematorium door.

You said you've seen one so i'm asking for clarification...

[nzspokes]

Really?

You don't think that people would rush to the door to try to get out?

To ask the obvious, how would they find the door?

They were in a room with no windows and sealed doors, you think the Germans left the lights on?

Room full of people, lights shut off and the hiss of the gas would have lead to panic.

[nzspokes]

Pretty hard to rush for a door when you have been nearly starved to death and are being gassed.

And you cant see the door......

[MrMarko]

Lets throw in some more evidence.

https://www.ushmm.org/m/img/15026-700x.jpg

[Katman]

Lets throw in some more evidence.

No-one is disputing that crematoriums were used to dispose of dead bodies.

The use of crematoriums is certainly not evidence of gas chambers.

You dumb fuck.

[nzspokes]

Perhaps they just threw sparrows into the chamber and when the sparrows stopped dropping dead it was then deemed safe to go in and retrieve the bodies.

They didnt need to, they pumped the gas in. Then they pumped it out.

[MrMarko]

No-one is disputing that crematoriums were used to dispose of dead bodies.

The use of crematoriums is certainly not evidence of gas chambers.

You dumb fuck.

So the starved body?

why were all these people being cremated starved?

[Katman]

So the starved body?

why were all these people being cremated starved?

Towards the end of the war the allied bombing campaign had brought Germany's infrastructure to a halt. Food and supplies were not getting to where it was needed. Thousands were dying every day from disease and malnutrition.

You dumb fuck.

[Drew]

No-one is disputing that crematoriums were used to dispose of dead bodies.

The use of crematoriums is certainly not evidence of gas chambers.

You dumb fuck.
The Germans and their perfect systems of record keeping, didn't identify the dead before they were toasted.

Why do you think that might be?

[MrMarko]

Towards the end of the war the allied bombing campaign had brought Germany's infrastructure to a halt. Food and supplies were not getting to where it was needed. Thousands were dying everyday from disease and malnutrition.

You dumb fuck.


edit: why even bother.

[Akzle]

I'm outta this thread. Seriously this is a complete and utter waste of time.
you should be "outta" IRL. cos your fucking wasting everyone elses time.

also the above ≠

[IMG]


Awww i thought i was special :weep:


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Pretty hard to rush for a door when you have been nearly starved to death and are being gassed.

you should probably do the things you say you will. or you'll end up looking like a fuckwit.

[MrMarko]

you should be "outta" IRL. cos your fucking wasting everyone elses time.
you should probably do the things you say you will. or you'll end up looking like a fuckwit.

So i should call the police and have you charged with inciting suicide then?

[Akzle]

So i should call the police and have you charged with inciting suicide then?

you're pretty thick.

what i'm actually suggesting you do is end your life. i don't know how i can be any clearer about this.

[MrMarko]

you're pretty thick.

what i'm actually suggesting you do is end your life. i don't know how i can be any clearer about this.

Let me guess you hide behind a pussy little proxy so you can say whatever you like without being caught...

I guess some people never change.

Ra.

[Akzle]

Let me guess you hide behind a pussy little proxy so you can say whatever you like without being caught...

I guess some people never change.

Ra.

oh lol. please tell me laava just PMd you my online diary.

and no. i use a proxy for it's server side compression. but i guess your just so intelligent you didn't think of that.

[Katman]

edit: why even bother.

Exactly.

Fuck off and do some finger painting instead.

[MrMarko]

Exactly.

Fuck off and do some finger painting instead.

Can i?!?!?!?!

YAYYYYYYYYYYYY :woohoo:

[yokel]

They didnt need to, they pumped the gas in. Then they pumped it out.

What pumps and ventilation system would that be?
Please show me.

[nzspokes]

What pumps and ventilation system would that be?
Please show me.

Why not pop over there and see for yourself?

[yokel]

Why not pop over there and see for yourself?

I don't need to because of a thing called the Internet.

Show me an actual gas chamber or shut or pretty mouth.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pretty hard to rush for a door when you have been nearly starved to death and are being gassed.

Give it a try. Please. And your sig makes me laugh...

[nzspokes]

I don't need to because of a thing called the Internet.

Show me an actual gas chamber or shut or pretty mouth.

Read Katman's research. :lol:

No really, go and see for yourself.

[yokel]

Lets throw in some more evidence.

https://www.ushmm.org/m/img/15026-700x.jpg

Omg, a crematorium with a corps being loaded into to it.

Did they tell those gullible Jews it was a pizza oven??

[yokel]

Read Katman's research. :lol:

No really, go and see for yourself.

I'm still waiting on some details on those alleged gas chambers.

[haydes55]

I'm still waiting on some details on those alleged gas chambers.
This just has to be a troll. That's something an American would say

[nzspokes]

I'm still waiting on some details on those alleged gas chambers.

Ive seen them champ, your turn.

[Katman]

We've all seen countless photos of piles of emaciated corpses that clearly died of disease, malnutrition or a combination of both.

Has anyone ever seen any photos of piles of otherwise healthy looking bodies that might have come out of a gas chamber?

After all, the stories seem to be that people were rounded up, loaded onto wagons, transported to the camps and marched straight to the chambers.

If millions died in this manner surely there'd be a photo somewhere to support it.

[yokel]

Ive seen them champ, your turn.

Well if you're unable to post up details of this alleged mass gassing process then I'm going to have to keep assuming that all the Holocaust is is post war propaganda .

[nzspokes]

Well if you're unable to post up details of this alleged mass gassing process then I'm going to have to keep assuming that all the Holocaust is is post war propaganda .

So you cant afford the flight then?

[yokel]

We've all seen countless photos of piles of emaciated corpses that clearly died of disease, malnutrition or a combination of both.

Has anyone ever seen any photos of piles of otherwise healthy looking bodies that might have come out of a gas chamber?

After all, the stories seem to be that people were rounded up, loaded onto wagons, transported to the camps and marched straight to the chambers.

If millions died in this manner surely there'd be a photo somewhere to support it.

How do you count all the dead bodies in a pile of ash?
Heck I've not even seen any images of the ashes of millions of people.

[Drew]

We've all seen countless photos of piles of emaciated corpses that clearly died of disease, malnutrition or a combination of both.

Has anyone ever seen any photos of piles of otherwise healthy looking bodies that might have come out of a gas chamber?

After all, the stories seem to be that people were rounded up, loaded onto wagons, transported to the camps and marched straight to the chambers.

If millions died in this manner surely there'd be a photo somewhere to support it.
I've not heard the tale told thus. My understanding was that they were shipped to camps, worked as slaves, starved, and killed off when they were no longer productive.

[yokel]

So you cant afford the flight then?

Do you think being a wanker is going to make the gas chambers magically appear in your posts??

Try again.

[nzspokes]

Do you think being a wanker is going to make the gas chambers magically appear in your posts??

Try again.

So we know the answer to that then.....

[yokel]

So we know the answer to that then.....

Yip, you're wanker that can't produce any details on the gas chambers.
Its kinda hard as they don't fucking well exist as you keep proving with you're empty of info posts.

You can't even post a single thing.
Only yap yap

[Laava]

This just has to be a troll. That's something an American would say

Hahahaha!.."......

[Drew]

Found images of gas chambers. Funny thing. The doors opened outward. Downloaded a few but I can't upload them for some reason.

[Woodman]

We've all seen countless photos of piles of emaciated corpses that clearly died of disease, malnutrition or a combination of both.

Has anyone ever seen any photos of piles of otherwise healthy looking bodies that might have come out of a gas chamber?

After all, the stories seem to be that people were rounded up, loaded onto wagons, transported to the camps and marched straight to the chambers.

If millions died in this manner surely there'd be a photo somewhere to support it.

Are you saying that because you can't find a picture on the internets then it can't have happened?


How do you count all the dead bodies in a pile of ash?
Heck I've not even seen any images of the ashes of millions of people.

Great flying balls Batman!!! Are you saying that because you can't find a picture on the internets then it can't have happened?

[yokel]

Are you saying that because you can't find a picture on the internets then it can't have happened?



Great flying balls Batman!!! Are you saying that because you can't find a picture on the internets then it can't have happened?

No, just making a point on how you would count the bodies.

[Akzle]

Found images of gas chambers. Funny thing. The doors opened outward. Downloaded a few but I can't upload them for some reason.

it's a conspiracy man!

[husaberg]

No, just making a point on how you would count the bodies.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Holocaust/hollerith.jpg

However, another invention did exist: the IBM punch card and card sorting system-a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before-the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation.
IBM Germany, known in those days as Deutsche Hollerith Maschinen Gesellschaft, or Dehomag, did not simply sell the Reich machines and then walk away. IBM's subsidiary, with the knowledge of its New York headquarters, enthusiastically custom-designed the complex devices and specialized applications as an official corporate undertaking. Dehomag's top management was comprised of openly rabid Nazis who were arrested after the war for their Party affiliation. IBM NY always understood-from the outset in 1933-that it was courting and doing business with the upper echelon of the Nazi Party. The company leveraged its Nazi Party connections to continuously enhance its business relationship with Hitler's Reich, in Germany and throughout Nazi-dominated Europe.
Dehomag and other IBM subsidiaries custom-designed the applications. Its technicians sent mock-ups of punch cards back and forth to Reich offices until the data columns were acceptable, much as any software designer would today. Punch cards could only be designed, printed, and purchased from one source: IBM. The machines were not sold, they were leased, and regularly maintained and upgraded by only one source: IBM. IBM subsidiaries trained the Nazi officers and their surrogates throughout Europe, set up branch offices and local dealerships throughout Nazi Europe staffed by a revolving door of IBM employees, and scoured paper mills to produce as many as 1.5 billion punch cards a year in Germany alone. Moreover, the fragile machines were serviced on site about once per month, even when that site was in or near a concentration camp. IBM Germany's headquarters in Berlin maintained duplicates of many code books, much as any IBM service bureau today would maintain data backups for computers.
I was haunted by a question whose answer has long eluded historians. The Germans always had the lists of Jewish names. Suddenly, a squadron of grim-faced SS would burst into a city square and post a notice demanding those listed assemble the next day at the train station for deportation to the East. But how did the Nazis get the lists? For decades, no one has known. Few have asked.
The answer: IBM Germany's census operations and similar advanced people counting and registration technologies. IBM was founded in 1898 by German inventor Herman Hollerith as a census tabulating company. Census was its business. But when IBM Germany formed its philosophical and technologic alliance with Nazi Germany, census and registration took on a new mission. IBM Germany invented the racial census-listing not just religious affiliation, but bloodline going back generations. This was the Nazi data lust. Not just to count the Jews — but to identify them.
People and asset registration was only one of the many uses Nazi Germany found for high-speed data sorters. Food allocation was organized around databases, allowing Germany to starve the Jews. Slave labor was identified, tracked, and managed largely through punch cards. Punch cards even made the trains run on time and cataloged their human cargo. German Railway, the Reichsbahn, Dehomag's biggest customer, dealt directly with senior management in Berlin. Dehomag maintained punch card installations at train depots across Germany, and eventually across all Europe.
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Viktor Brack
SS-Oberführer Berlin, IV 8, Voss-Strasse 4, 23 June 1942
HH Top Secret To the Reich Leader SS and
Chief of the German Police
Heinrich Himmler,
Berlin SW 11, Prinz Albrecht Str. 8
Dear Reich Leader,
On the instructions of Reich Leader [Reichsleiter] Bouhler I placed some of my men - already some time ago - at the disposal of Brigadeführer Globocnik to execute his special mission. On his renewed request I have now transferred additional personnel. On this occasion Brigadeführer Globocnik stated his opinion that the whole Jewish action should be completed as quickly as possible so that one would not get caught in the middle of it one day if some difficulties should make a stoppage of the action necessary. You, yourself, Reich Leader, have already expressed your view, that work should progress quickly for reasons of camouflage alone. Both points which in principle arrive at the same result are more than justified as far as my own experience goes;
Among 10 millions of Jews in Europe there are, I figure, at least 2-3 millions of men and women who are fit enough to work. Considering the extraordinary difficulties the labour problem presents us with, I hold the view that those 3 millions should be specially selected and preserved. [...]

[I]The sum of Brack's "own experience" at the time amounted to taking charge of and running the T4 operations for two years, euthanizing approximately 70,000 mentally and physically handicapped persons with poison gas, which tells us why he considered speed and secrecy to be of the essence.22 Just one month prior to writing this letter, Brack had visited Globocnik in Lublin to discuss plans for the Final Solution:
At the beginning of May 1942 SS-Oberführer Brack from the Führer's Chancellery suddenly came to Lublin. With Globocnik, he discussed resuming the extermination of the Jews. Globocnik said that he had too few people to carry out this programme. Brack stated that the euthanasia programme had stopped and that the people from the T4 world from now on would be detailed to him on a regular basis so that the decisions taken at the Wannsee conference could be implemented.
Given his knowledge about Aktion Reinhard(t) at the time, therefore, Brack's request that 2-3 million Jews be "preserved" from Globocnik's "special mission" for the sake of slave labour is a casual suggestion that only the other 7-8 million be killed in the extermination camps.Finally, Treblinka was declared "ready for operation" on 11 July 1942 in a communiqué sent from its first commandant Dr. Irmfried Eberl to Dr. Heinz Auerswald, Nazi Commissioner for the Warsaw Ghetto.
http://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-history.org/operation-reinhard/final-destination-treblinka.shtml#note-21

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[yokel]

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/Holocaust/hollerith.jpg

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324771

More forged documents?
Document fraud is too easy,

I'm more interested in the actual physical evidence.

[nzspokes]

I'm more interested in the actual physical evidence.

How are you going to get physical evidence on the internet?

[husaberg]

More forged documents?
Document fraud is too easy,

I'm more interested in the actual physical evidence.
.............

And that right there is my guarantee that you're unable to fine the information that I'm after.
.


BTW if you're going to exterminate and dispose 11 mill people over say 5 years you're looking at processing some 6 thousand people a day every day..

Well if you're unable to post up details of this alleged mass gassing process then I'm going to have to keep assuming that all the Holocaust is is post war propaganda .

I'm still waiting on some details on those alleged gas chambers.

Too funny, you sure yokeled yourself up again

[yokel]

How are you going to get physical evidence on the internet?

Still being a wanker I see.

[yokel]

.............





Too funny, you sure yokeled yourself up again

You raped me! You're going to jail now cunt

[nzspokes]

Still being a wanker I see.

Answer the question......

[yokel]

Answer the question......

Still wanking.
When you're finished, go get me the details on the gas chambers.

[nzspokes]

Still wanking.
When you're finished, go get me the details on the gas chambers.

Again you got nothing.

[husaberg]

You raped me! You're going to jail now cunt

Cool court
So how many times has the holocaust been proven in court?
1000 or more?
Shit you yokled up again.

[yokel]

Again you got nothing.

I'm still waiting ….......

[nzspokes]

I'm still waiting ….......

Its all an airplane flight away.....

[yokel]

Cool court
So how many times has the holocaust been proven in court?
1000 or more?
Shit you yokled up again.

Once, at Nuremberg.

Seen as you can beep taken to Court for questioning the Holocaust confirms to me its bullshit.

[TheDemonLord]

More forged documents?
Document fraud is too easy,


which brings us to the circular nature of the oppositions argument:

In order to dismiss the evidence to prove that the Holocaust has happened, it must be a Conspiracy.
It's a conspiracy becuase there is no evidence.

(then repeat as necessary in order to complete the brain-washing)


Called it.

[yokel]

Its all an airplane flight away.....

I don't need to go, I've seen enough.

It's surprising how easy it is to bebunk this post war propaganda.

Thank for trying.

[yokel]

Called it.

So where's the info on the gas chambes? Or are you going to just dismiss it?

[husaberg]

Once, at Nuremberg.

Seen as you can beep taken to Court for questioning the Holocaust confirms to me its bullshit.

Only once at Nuremberg really?
and never since?
So there was no
Auschwitz Trial
Belsen Trial
Belzec Trial before the 1st Munich District Court in the mid-1960s, of eight SS-men of the Belzec extermination camp
Chełmno trials of the Chełmno extermination camp personnel, held in Poland and in Germany. The cases were decided almost twenty years apart
Dachau Trials
Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials
Majdanek trials, the longest Nazi war crimes trial in history, spanning over 30 years
Mauthausen-Gusen camp trials
Ravensbrück Trial
Dora Trial
Einsatzgruppen trial
Sobibor trial held in Hagen, Germany in 1965 against the SS-men of the Sobibor extermination camp
Treblinka trials in Düsseldorf, Germany
right up to even this year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3645320/Former-Auschwitz-guard-jailed-five-years.html



You sure yokeled that up again.

[husaberg]

Called it.

Have you consider why they have to deny it happened
They have to otherwise they look stupid peddling the same old racial hate again.
But if they can convice themselves it never happened its all part of the conspiracy.

[yokel]

Only once at Nuremberg really?
and never since?
So there was no
Auschwitz Trial
Belsen Trial
Belzec Trial before the 1st Munich District Court in the mid-1960s, of eight SS-men of the Belzec extermination camp
Chełmno trials of the Chełmno extermination camp personnel, held in Poland and in Germany. The cases were decided almost twenty years apart
Dachau Trials
Frankfurt Auschwitz Trials
Majdanek trials, the longest Nazi war crimes trial in history, spanning over 30 years
Mauthausen-Gusen camp trials
Ravensbrück Trial
Dora Trial
Einsatzgruppen trial
Sobibor trial held in Hagen, Germany in 1965 against the SS-men of the Sobibor extermination camp
Treblinka trials in Düsseldorf, Germany
right up to even this year

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3645320/Former-Auschwitz-guard-jailed-five-years.html


You sure yokeled that up again.

Yeah I just pulled that out my asre.
So why can't you post any details about how the gas chambers worked??

What's the reason cunt?

[nzspokes]

Yeah I just pulled that out my asre.
So why can't you post any details about how the gas chambers worked??

What's the reason cunt?

http://www.auschwitz.dk/gerstein.htm

[TheDemonLord]

So where's the info on the gas chambes? Or are you going to just dismiss it?

Regardless of what I produce - it will be Forged or interpreted 'wrong' or some other BS.

There is literally nothing on earth that will convince you, because your position is one of blind Faith.

[haydes55]

Regardless of what I produce - it will be Forged or interpreted 'wrong' or some other BS.

There is literally nothing on earth that will convince you, because your position is one of blind Faith.
He's like a Christian. Blind faith that his god exists. But we all know this world was crafted by the flying spaghetti monster. And that's a proven fact.

May you all be touched by his noodly appendage.

[husaberg]

Yeah I just pulled that out my asre.


Yeah you sured yokeled it up.
Not only were you were wrong you wwere wrong a hundred fold or more


So why can't you post any details about how the gas chambers worked??

What's the reason cunt?

You are a bit confused that was the question you were asking someone else
But i have, on multiple occasions documented the process, in great detail, with photos eye witness accounts from both the Jewish and the Germans, plus plans and documents
You just cling still to your blind faith denials.

[Laava]

this world was crafted by the flying spaghetti monster.

Is that like a "hologram projecting" hovering metal sphere? Or is this another wierd Yokman theory?

[nzspokes]

http://www.auschwitz.dk/gerstein.htm

Drops mic, walks off stage......

[Katman]

Drops mic, walks off stage......

Are you aware of the huge exaggerations contained in the Gerstein Report?

[sidecar bob]

Are you aware of the huge exaggerations contained in the Gerstein Report?

Are you aware of the huge delusions in the 9 11 conspiracy theory?
Just accept that it did happen, instead of trying to be some kind of anti hero for no apparent reason.

[Katman]

Are you aware of the huge delusions in the 9 11 conspiracy theory?
Just accept that it did happen, instead of trying to be some kind of anti hero for no apparent reason.

How about you go fuck yourself.

[Bass]

Small point of order and I stand to be corrected but my understanding is that Zyklon B was actually in crystalline form and just dumped down a chute from above. This was another reason for packing the people in because it raised the temperature and sped up the process of the crystals subliming hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid).
The gas was then cleared by turning on fans but those removing the corpses could often smell almonds (the signature smell of HCN) and those of the sonderkommando (crematorium/gas chamber workers) who survived, often exhibited the results of cyanide exposure.

Again my understanding is that the doors opened outwards and that as Katman suggests, the victims were often piled high against the inside of the doors. The workers use hooked poles to disentangle them.

I recommend the books "Five chimneys" and "Auschwitz". They are too detailed for it all to be imagination - some surprising stuff - things you wouldn't think of unless you had actually done it.

One last one for Drew - the sorting process on arrival at some camps is well documented. Only those who would make good workers survived. The rest were gassed asap. Many of the war crimes prosecutions in latter years were of guards involved in this sorting process.

[sidecar bob]

How about you go fuck yourself.

You really are constantly in a dark angry place aren't you.
You should put getting some help to get on top of that on the list of things to get sorted out ASAP.:niceone:

[Banditbandit]

Well that's one way to try shutting down the discussion.

Not even close - this is a vaccination thread that has degenerated to a holocaust argument thread - pointless drivel ...



Meet me at the track on any bike you want, i'll still run circles around you.


Twit ...



I'm astounded at the sheer fucking stupidity of people who read a conspiracy theory on anything and immediately take that side and write off all credible evidence of the actual events that is right in their face.

Who then proceed to bash other people over the head with that conspiracy and abuse them because they disagree.


The problem is that "Don't believe everything the authorities tell you" has become "Don't believe anything the authorities tell you". Which means that ALL official stories are necessarily wrong ...



Define irrefutable.

If we go down the philosophical route (Paging Dr Bandit) - then there is no such thing as irrefutable.

Me personally, I'd say the written and aural testimony of Survivors, captors and liberators, the Physical evidence that backs up their testimony, the Photographic and video evidence that further backs up the testimony and the physical evidence is enough for me to conclude that it happened.

Yes - that's the basic problem here. The evidence certainly shows that the Holocaust occurred and that a HUGE number of people were sent to death in the gas chambers of the Nazi death camps.

The only thing that is going to convince the deniers is a continuous and unedited film of people being sent into the gas chambers, the Nazis flicking the switch, and then the gas cambers being emptied of dead bodies .. such video has never been found.


Even better would be video of what occurred in a gas chamber as they died .. doesn't exist ...

And the deniers generally think that no evidence = didn't happen but lack of evidence is not the same as no evidence, and can't support the next step of "didn't happen". .

So there will always be "wriggle room" for the holocaust deniers .. even though the Nazis themselves admitted it happened, and even though the Nazis themselves kept records of it happening.

The photos of the gas chambers don't prove it for them. The eye witness testimony of Death Camp survivors (even the ones who were forced to empty the gas chambers and run the crematoriums, won't convince them.)

Yokel can say they died of disease .... and sure some of them did .. saved the gas bill ...

The nature of the knowledge allows wriggle room for all those who say Never believe ANYTHING the authorities tell you.

[Katman]

Not even close - this is a vaccination thread that has degenerated to a holocaust argument thread

True.

The last 15 or so pages have stemmed directly from TDL asking me if I condemn Bayer for their role in the holocaust.

And as I said 15 pages ago, I haven't seen any absolute proof that Bayer were involved in the gassing of millions of jews.

(And before anybody tries accusing me of inconsistency - I'm not defending Bayer at all).

[Banditbandit]

I've not heard the tale told thus. My understanding was that they were shipped to camps, worked as slaves, starved, and killed off when they were no longer productive.


True.

The last 15 or so pages have stemmed directly from TDL asking me if I condemn Bayer for their role in the holocaust.

And as I said 15 pages ago, I haven't seen any absolute proof that Bayer were involved in the gassing of millions of jews.

(And before anybody tries accusing me of inconsistency - I'm not defending Bayer at all).

In 1995 the then head of Bayer, apologized for the company's involvement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/bayer-nazi-role-article-1.701925

Proof enough for you?

PS OK I get why the thread changed tack ..

[Katman]

In 1995 the then head of Bayer, apologized for the company's involvement.

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/bayer-nazi-role-article-1.701925

Proof enough for you?

PS OK I get why the thread changed tack ..

Fair enough - I'll condemn them for using slave labour. (There'd be no shortage of companies that have qualified for that condemnation over the years though).

I assumed TDL was referring to the Zyklon B issue.

But that article doesn't provide proof that IG Farben's Zyklon B was used for the gassing of millions of jews.

[Banditbandit]

But that article doesn't provide proof that IG Farben's Zyklon B was used for the gassing of millions of jews.



From the statement of Hans Stark, registrar of new arrivals, Auschwitz (Klee, 255):


At another, later gassing -- also in autumn 1941 -- Grabner* ordered me to pour Zyklon B into the opening because only one medical orderly had shown up. During a gassing Zyklon B had to be poured through both openings of the gas-chamber room at the same time. This gassing was also a transport of 200-250 Jews, once again men, women and children. As the Zyklon B -- as already mentioned -- was in granular form, it trickled down over the people as it was being poured in.

They then started to cry out terribly for they now knew what was happening to them. I did not look through the opening because it had to be closed as soon as the Zyklon B had been poured in. After a few minutes there was silence. After some time had passed, it may have been ten to fifteen minutes, the gas chamber was opened. The dead lay higgledy-piggedly all over the place. It was a dreadful sight.



Go here .. answers all the denier's points about Zyklon B

http://www.nizkor.org/faqs/auschwitz/auschwitz-faq-06.html

[MrMarko]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyifuNC0MT8

[Katman]

Go here .. answers all the denier's points about Zyklon B

Regardless of the degree of veracity you place on personal testimonies, in order to link the current discussion back to the discussion prior to post #2157 (which kicked all this off) you would need to prove that IG Farben were aware that their product was being used for nefarious purposes.

[Katman]

You really are constantly in a dark angry place aren't you.


Don't go mistaking contempt for anger.

[MrMarko]

Again, I'm not defending them - Multiple people have pointed this out to you.

I condemn what they did, but in the same way I condemn when other industries and companies when they too do something disreputable. It's why I'm in favor of appropriate and adequate regulation as a safeguard and check against this sort of practice. Furthermore I also balance what they did against what else they have done - in this case producing antibacterial drugs used during WW2 and given what we know about WW1 and the mortality rate from infection (as opposed to the actual wound received in combat) - it's reasonable to assume this alone saved hundreds of thousands of lives, if not millions.

So to sum up - yes they did something bad, but they also did (and continue to do) a lot of good. My point remains however that your hatred towards them and not other companies is both disproportionate and targeted - showing you to be inherently biased.

Bonus cognitive dissonance question - do you condemn Bayers' role in the Holocaust?

I'll just leave this here seeing as Katman can't use the quote feature.

[MrMarko]

Don't go mistaking contempt for anger.

Contempt, not classified among Paul Ekman's six basic emotions of anger, disgust, fear, happiness, sadness, and surprise, is a mixture of disgust and anger.

[sidecar bob]

Don't go mistaking contempt for anger.
But you're contemptuous of everyone & everything, so you arent doing a really good job of making me feel very special here.
Don't go mistaking being a deluded idiot for intelligence.
This pretty much sums you up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism
Although springing into a tirade against someone before even reading their link so as to understand their post probably amounts to even less than that.

[Ocean1]

Don't go mistaking being a deluded idiot for intelligence.
This pretty much sums you up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism

Don't go mistaking a delusional idiot for anyone worth arguing with.

And a bit more accurate... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuckwit

[Voltaire]

Don't go mistaking being a deluded idiot for intelligence.
This pretty much sums you up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism


What ...you don't think that WW2 and 911 are going to be solved on this forum :lol:.

[sidecar bob]

What ...you don't think that WW2 and 911 are going to be solved on this forum :lol:.

I tend to go to the Porsche forums to solve 911 problems. Lovley wee cars.:bleh:

[Banditbandit]

Regardless of the degree of veracity you place on personal testimonies, in order to link the current discussion back to the discussion prior to post #2157 (which kicked all this off) you would need to prove that IG Farben were aware that their product was being used for nefarious purposes.

Naaa .. I don't want to be involved in this argument and I'm sorry I did not resist temptation and joined in.

I'm out ..

[Voltaire]

I tend to go to the Porsche forums to solve 911 problems. Lovley wee cars.:bleh:

Nice....I find being stuck in traffic with 230 HP exciting enough up here.:laugh:

[Akzle]

I'm out ..

you mean. your actually out?
...or your a "lookame i'm so butthurt i'm pretend outsies for liek a whole five minutes but i'll post some more after that cos liek i totes have opinions people should care about me" (otherwise called "shitmark out")?

[nzspokes]

Small point of order and I stand to be corrected but my understanding is that Zyklon B was actually in crystalline form and just dumped down a chute from above. This was another reason for packing the people in because it raised the temperature and sped up the process of the crystals subliming hydrogen cyanide (prussic acid).
The gas was then cleared by turning on fans but those removing the corpses could often smell almonds (the signature smell of HCN) and those of the sonderkommando (crematorium/gas chamber workers) who survived, often exhibited the results of cyanide exposure.

Again my understanding is that the doors opened outwards and that as Katman suggests, the victims were often piled high against the inside of the doors. The workers use hooked poles to disentangle them.

I recommend the books "Five chimneys" and "Auschwitz". They are too detailed for it all to be imagination - some surprising stuff - things you wouldn't think of unless you had actually done it.

One last one for Drew - the sorting process on arrival at some camps is well documented. Only those who would make good workers survived. The rest were gassed asap. Many of the war crimes prosecutions in latter years were of guards involved in this sorting process.

You are correct. Pumping gas in and out was when they used Diesel motors to make the gas.

Nasty shit.

[Woodman]

Which all begs the questions.

What is the point of the anti holocaust argument?

And

What benefit will there be if they are right?

[sidecar bob]

Which all begs the questions.

What is the point of the anti holocaust argument?

And

What benefit will there be if they are right?

Im running with this.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=attention%20whore

[yokel]

Which all begs the questions.

What is the point of the anti holocaust argument?

And

What benefit will there be if they are right?

Because of things like hate speech laws and censorship including self censorship political correctness.

It's why things like racism have gone full retard.

[yokel]

Drops mic, walks off stage......

Going backstage for a good wank?

Still waiting on technical details on mass extermination gas chambers.

I've seen all that shit in your link and its not good enough.

[Woodman]

Because of things like hate speech laws and censorship including self censorship political correctness.

It's why things like racism have gone full retard.

So you are pro racism/anti semitism?

[yokel]

So you are pro racism/anti semitism?

I'm pro calling a spade a spade.

http://youtu.be/7n9cr0yk-Ok

[nzspokes]

Going backstage for a good wank?

Still waiting on technical details on mass extermination gas chambers.

I've seen all that shit in your link and its not good enough.

Tough when you get owned. :shifty:

[yokel]

Tough when you get owned. :shifty:

The only thing you're owning is the palm of your hand.

[Katman]

Tough when you get owned. :shifty:

So do you reckon you could fit 750 people into a gas chamber measuring 5 x 5 metres?

[nzspokes]

So do you reckon you could fit 750 people into a gas chamber measuring 5 x 5 metres?

Read post 2149.

[Katman]

Read post 2149.

This one?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159661-Thinking-of-getting-vaccinated?p=1131003282#post1131003282

What the fuck has that got to do with the question?

[nzspokes]

This one?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/159661-Thinking-of-getting-vaccinated?p=1131003282#post1131003282

What the fuck has that got to do with the question?

:laugh::laugh:

[Katman]

:laugh::laugh:

How about a pile of shoes 25 metres high?

Can you imagine what a pile of shoes 25 metres high would look like?

[nzspokes]

How about a pile of shoes 25 metres high?

Can you imagine what a pile of shoes 25 metres high would look like?

:weep::weep:

[Katman]

:weep::weep:

Well that might look like 25 metres high to a pygmy but it ain't the 25 metres high that I was imagining.

[Woodman]

I'm pro calling a spade a spade.

http://youtu.be/7n9cr0yk-Ok

Just watched your youtube. You are an idiot.

[yokel]

Just watched your youtube. You are an idiot.

That coming from you is quite the complement.
Thanks.

[Woodman]

That coming from you is quite the complement.
Thanks.

To complement you yokel I would have to remove 90% of my brain.

[Katman]

Just watched your youtube. You are an idiot.

Well I watched it too.

And while the whole right wing National Front slant to it is wank, I'm also not sorry for things in the past that I have no responsibility for.

I can only hope that as a society we learn from them.

Unfortunately it all too often seems like we simply ignore them.

[Woodman]

Well I watched it too.

And while the whole right wing National Front slant to it is wank, I'm also not sorry for things in the past that I have no responsibility for.

I can only hope that as a society we learn from them.

Unfortunately it all too often seems like we simply ignore them.

I am not sorry for things in the past either. Yokel is an idiot and is blaming others for it.

[nzspokes]

Well that might look like 25 metres high to a pygmy but it ain't the 25 metres high that I was imagining.

:no::no::no:

[nzspokes]

Just watched your youtube. You are an idiot.

I didnt watch it, but already knew it.....

[Katman]

:no::no::no:

Dude, it doesn't matter how close I get my face to the screen, it just doesn't look like it's 25 metres high.

[Woodman]

Dude, it doesn't matter how close I get my face to the screen, it just doesn't look like it's 25 metres high.

Are you saying that its not obvious that the pile may have fallen down?
Are you saying that that isn't still a shit ton of shoes?
Are you saying that you don't realise that someone may have estimated the height wrong?

[nzspokes]

Are you saying that its not obvious that the pile may have fallen down?
Are you saying that that isn't still a shit ton of shoes?
Are you saying that you don't realise that someone may have estimated the height wrong?

He probably needs a bigger screen.

[Katman]

Are you saying that its not obvious that the pile may have fallen down?
Are you saying that that isn't still a shit ton of shoes?
Are you saying that you don't realise that someone may have estimated the height wrong?

Well it's a specific reference to the Gerstein Report.

If you're sufficiently interested you'll find it yourself.

[nzspokes]

Well it's a specific reference to the Gerstein Report.

If you're sufficiently interested you'll find it yourself.

That horse has already run..........

[yokel]

Are you saying that its not obvious that the pile may have fallen down?
Are you saying that that isn't still a shit ton of shoes?
Are you saying that you don't realise that someone may have estimated the height wrong?

What on earth has a pile of shoes have to do with the alleged Holocaust?

[husaberg]

:weep::weep:

The photo was from Dachau
As it was in Germany it wasn't an extermination camp.
It only has 32,000 documented deaths.
With an estimated 188,000 total prsoners
Compare that with a camp the size of Auschwitz concentration camp. That comprised of 45 satellite camps.

The best estimates of the number of victims at the Auschwitz concentration camp complex, including the killing center at Auschwitz-Birkenau, between 1940 and 1945 are: Jews (1,095,000 deported to Auschwitz, of whom 960,000 died); Poles (147,000 deported, of whom 74,000 died); Roma (23,000 deported, of whom 21,000 died); Soviet prisoners of war (15,000 deported and died); and other nationalities (25,000 deported, of whom 12,000 died).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRUkiPIpxec

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Tk7HU8DrFo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtsCoKmGWdc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW5oHy79i1o

[Katman]

The photo was from Dachau
As it was in Germany it wasn't an extermination camp.


Oh noes - and he worked so hard to find those photos.

:weep: :weep: :weep:

[husaberg]

Oh no - and he worked so hard to find those photos.

:weep: :weep: :weep:


See that selective shallow and stupid interpretation of yours is as dim as ever.
Dachau was a very small camp, scale up the size to Auschwitz.
Also remember that the shoes were sorted and sent back to Germany along with anything else valuable.
You are a racist cretin.

[Katman]

Dachau was a very small camp, scale up the size to Auschwitz.


Does it equal 25 metres?

[husaberg]

Does it equal 25 metres?

Like I said you are a dim paranoid racist cretin.
We should be grateful that you were unable to successfully breed.
Thus you narcissism and paranoia will not be passed on to future generations.
Greatfully you are restricted to you foolish and arrogant parasitic trolling on the net.

[nzspokes]

Oh noes - and he worked so hard to find those photos.

:weep: :weep: :weep:

No about 2 seconds using the modern wonder called google, its clear you know it well.

[Drew]

Does it equal 25 metres?

What is the significance of the height of the shoe pile? I'm not familiar with any thing about shoes at the camps.

[yokel]

The photo was from Dachau
As it was in Germany it wasn't an extermination camp.
It only has 32,000 documented deaths.
With an estimated 188,000 total prsoners
Compare that with a camp the size of Auschwitz concentration camp. That comprised of 45 satellite camps

So of the alleged 960,000 dead Jews at Auschwitz, how many were from the Holocaust?

Where's the rest that make up the 6 million figure??

So I've watched 1 minute of your first video.
Are the photos of the 'extermination camps' just like the ones of the WMDs before the Iraq war ?

[TheDemonLord]

What is the significance of the height of the shoe pile? I'm not familiar with any thing about shoes at the camps.

He's trying to employ the tactic that he often accuses me of doing.

The significance is that the piles of discarded shoes are evidence of people who were wearing the shoes and are no longer wearing them. Tied in with testimony of people saying that after they killed them, they took their shoes and other possessions and piled them up. Therefore the photo of the shoes backup of the testimony.

Katman is trying to say that since the height of the shoe pile (which is clearly very tall) is not the height estimated in the testimony, the testimony is wrong and the Holocaust didn't happen.

[nzspokes]

What is the significance of the height of the shoe pile? I'm not familiar with any thing about shoes at the camps.
Its a diversion tactic for those that have run out of an argument that sounds plausible.

For what ever reason the Germans kept the shoes of those that they killed. But didn't tie the pairs together. No idea what they thought they would do with them.

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[FatMax]

Going backstage for a good wank?

:clap::clap::clap::killingme:killingme:killingme:k illingme:lol::lol::lol::lol::killingme:killingme:k illingme:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup

[FatMax]

So is anyone here thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Katman]

He's trying to employ the tactic that he often accuses me of doing.

The significance is that the piles of discarded shoes are evidence of people who were wearing the shoes and are no longer wearing them. Tied in with testimony of people saying that after they killed them, they took their shoes and other possessions and piled them up. Therefore the photo of the shoes backup of the testimony.

Katman is trying to say that since the height of the shoe pile (which is clearly very tall) is not the height estimated in the testimony, the testimony is wrong and the Holocaust didn't happen.

When testimony is laced with gross exaggeration, just how much faith do you place in that testimony?

[TheDemonLord]

When testimony is laced with gross exaggeration, just how much faith do you place in that testimony?

If there wasn't a picture of a fuck load of shoes - not much.
However, because there is a picture showing a very tall pile of shoes (which given the height of the buildings that they are next to, is probably closer to 10-12 meters) it add credence to the testimony.

[sidecar bob]

If there wasn't a picture of a fuck load of shoes - not much.
However, because there is a picture showing a very tall pile of shoes (which given the height of the buildings that they are next to, is probably closer to 10-12 meters) it add credence to the testimony.

Don't be a fuckin idiot. The shoe pile isint big enough, therefore it didn't happen. And I thought you were the smart one.
Having said that, we don't know how many shoe piles there were, & the jews may have been like my Mrs & had 60 pairs of shoes each.
Realistically, that pile of shoes may only belong to one person.

[Katman]

If there wasn't a picture of a fuck load of shoes - not much.
However, because there is a picture showing a very tall pile of shoes (which given the height of the buildings that they are next to, is probably closer to 10-12 meters) it add credence to the testimony.

So do you think you could fit 750 people in a gas chamber measuring 5 x 5 metres?

[TheDemonLord]

So do you think you could fit 750 people in a gas chamber measuring 5 x 5 metres?

Give me a squad of Angry Germans with Bayonets fixed, and I reckon I could.

Actually - I know that I can definitely do it.... I've travelled on the London Underground in rush hour....

[MrMarko]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred


*drops mic*

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred


*drops mic*

Lol:


"Of course he's lying - he's a Jew wanting to perpetuate the myth" or "This minor detail is wrong so her whole testimony is tainted" or "How could he say millions died - did he personally witness millions of people being killed?" and so on.

Seems that Author has had dealings with Katman....

[nzspokes]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred


*drops mic*
*Crowd stands and claps*

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[yokel]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred


*drops mic*

Drops the ball and runs away like a little girl, typical.

Why do you cowards keep avoiding addressing the Holocaust 'deniers' /critics points?
If you don't address them they're not going to magically disappear.

[Laava]

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-evidence-that-proves-beyond-reasonable-doubt-that-the-Holocaust-occurred


*drops mic*

Will be interested to see the response you get from the deniers on this one.
edit, oops, too long in typing but I see Yokel has failed to absorb, no surprise there!

[TheDemonLord]

Why do you cowards keep avoiding addressing the Holocaust 'deniers' critics points?
If you don't address them they're not going to magically disappear.

Cause they are demonstrably full of shit? Cause only a slight scratch shows that underneath the superficial attempt at reason and 'evidence', it's just a front for their anti-semetic hatred? Cause the Deniers are so retarded that they have to use circular logic to maintain their delusion?

[Laava]

Drops the ball and runs away like a little girl, typical.

Why do you cowards keep avoiding addressing the Holocaust 'deniers' /critics points?
If you don't address them they're not going to magically disappear.

You fail to understand even the most basic use of English don't you?
It is not about running away, but he has tabled another set of information that you are also in complete denial about. oh, I may have wrongly assumed that you have actually read it! In that case, apologies.

[yokel]

Cause they are demonstrably full of shit? Cause only a slight scratch shows that underneath the superficial attempt at reason and 'evidence', it's just a front for their anti-semetic hatred? Cause the Deniers are so retarded that they have to use circular logic to maintain their delusion?

If they're 'demonstrably' full of shit? Then fucking well point that shit out.
And I fail to see how saying millions of Jews didn't die equates to antisemitic hatred?

[TheDemonLord]

If they're 'demonstrably' full of shit? Then fucking well point that shit out.

We have, Problem is you will refuse to see it, because it disproves your faith (The Church of the Delusional Fuckwits).


And I fail to see how saying millions of Jews didn't die equates to antisemitic hatred?

For a start, you are saying that one of the most traumatic events in a group of peoples' history didn't happen.
More importantly however is that Holocaust denial is almost invariably used as justification for some other crackpot conspiracy theory involving the Jews.

[MrMarko]

Drops the ball and runs away like a little girl, typical.

Why do you cowards keep avoiding addressing the Holocaust 'deniers' /critics points?
If you don't address them they're not going to magically disappear.

How about you read it.

Explain to me one thing.... just one...

WHY WOULD NAZI'S IN THEIR HUNDREDS FACING THE DEATH PENALTY FOR WAR CRIMES ADMIT IN GREAT DETAIL TO SOMETHING THAT NEVER OCCURED.

you fucking moron. :lol:

[yokel]

We have, Problem is you will refuse to see it, because it disproves your faith (The Church of the Delusional Fuckwits).



For a start, you are saying that one of the most traumatic events in a group of peoples' history didn't happen.
More importantly however is that Holocaust denial is almost invariably used as justification for some other crackpot conspiracy theory involving the Jews.

I can't see it if you don't fucking well post it.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TECHNICAL DETAILS AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE FUCKING GAS CHAMBERS!

all I've found is small gas chamders for delousing clothing and shit.

[MrMarko]

I can't see it if you don't fucking well post it.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TECHNICAL DETAILS AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE FUCKING GAS CHAMBERS!

all I've found is small gas chamders for delousing clothing and shit.

....

You want to kill millions of people, its a war crime, you are trying to hide it.... why the fuck would details of it remain.

Why do offices have document shredders.

You are trying to prove something didnt happen because there isnt enough physical evidence for you...

Yet when presented with the testimony resulting in death penalty convictions for the people who were actually doing it you write it off?

If the cops arrest you and say you murdered a million people are you going to sit there and explain in great detail how you did it if you didn't.

You continue to look at what cant be proven for such obvious reasons yet ignore thousands of documents that prove it happened...

At this point you are either

a)trolling

b)literally too stupid to insult.

[TheDemonLord]

I can't see it if you don't fucking well post it.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE TECHNICAL DETAILS AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF THE FUCKING GAS CHAMBERS!

all I've found is small gas chamders for delousing clothing and shit.

Then I suggest stop reading the IHR and go read some actual History.

[yokel]

....

You want to kill millions of people, its a war crime, you are trying to hide it.... why the fuck would details of it remain.

Why do offices have document shredders.

You are trying to prove something didnt happen because there isnt enough physical evidence for you...

Yet when presented with the testimony resulting in death penalty convictions for the people who were actually doing it you write it off?

If the cops arrest you and say you murdered a million people are you going to sit there and explain in great detail how you did it if you didn't.

You continue to look at what cant be proven for such obvious reasons yet ignore thousands of documents that prove it happened...

At this point you are either

a)trolling

b)literally too stupid to insult.

Probably the biggest crime in the history of the world yet there's no murder weapon??

What they claim to be the murder weapon is not even close to it, this is clear evidence of deception.

The gas chamber part of the Holocaust story is a lie.

[MrMarko]

Probably the biggest crime in the history of the world yet there's no murder weapon??

What they claim to be the murder weapon is not even close to it, this is clear evidence of deception.

The gas chamber part of the Holocaust story is a lie.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

[Akzle]

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

well that still puts him ahead of you. you being the second person to be conceived and birthed of an anus.

[yokel]

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

I guess so, it must've knocked some sense into me?

[MrMarko]

I guess so, it must've knocked some sense into me?

Once again, i'm inclined to strongly disagree with you.

[yokel]

Once again, i'm inclined to strongly disagree with you.

That's OK, you're only a sock puppet.

Your disagreement has no strength.

[MrMarko]

That's OK, you're only a sock puppet.

Your disagreement has no strength.

I have a sock under my bed full of unsuitable seed like you, i call it the dream catcher.

[Banditbandit]

(yeah .. I know ...)

https://media.giphy.com/media/g8GfH3i5F0hby/200.gif

[sidecar bob]

Serious question.
Does anybody else posting in this thread have a WW2 P.O.W parent, or just me?

[nzspokes]

Serious question.
Does anybody else posting in this thread have a WW2 P.O.W parent, or just me?

No, my uncle was a soldier but long since gone.

[Ocean1]

Serious question.
Does anybody else posting in this thread have a WW2 P.O.W parent, or just me?

Same, an uncle. One of the few Lancaster tail gunners that survived more than a couple of missions. Seven I think.

Also survived a few months in a POW camp.

Some of his training manuals should be around here somewhere...

[sidecar bob]

Dad was a Dutch child P.O.W in a Jap camp in Indonesia.
It beggars belief that one group of humans could treat another with such incredible cruelty.
My uncle worked on the Burma railway, that was next level again.
Just face it all you naysayers, some very bad shit went down & I doubt most of you would have half a clue how incredibly depraved it was.

[nzspokes]

Dad was a Dutch child P.O.W in a Jap camp in Indonesia.
It beggars belief that one group of humans could treat another with such incredible cruelty.
My uncle worked on the Burma railway, that was next level again.
Just face it all you naysayers, some very bad shit went down & I doubt most of you would have half a clue how incredibly depraved it was.

Read a little about the Burma Railway. Nasty shit.

[sidecar bob]

Read a little about the Burma Railway. Nasty shit.

Starve a man nearly to death, then, if he doesn't work building a railway like a bodybuilder on P, shoot him in his tracks.

[jonbuoy]

My Grandad was fighting the Japanese in Burma. He was part of the first teams that went into the Japanese PoW camps. I can remember as a kid being in his Van and him having a regular rant about seeing Japanese cars on the roads. He's mellowed a bit with age and his last car before they stopped him driving was a Nissan so I guess that means he's forgiven but not forgotton.

[husaberg]

Were you dropped on your head as a baby?


I guess so, it must've knocked some sense into me?

Yokel, You aren't even loose change.

[sidecar bob]

My Grandad was fighting the Japanese in Burma. He was part of the first teams that went into the Japanese PoW camps. I can remember as a kid being in his Van and him having a regular rant about seeing Japanese cars on the roads. He's mellowed a bit with age and his last car before they stopped him driving was a Nissan so I guess that means he's forgiven but not forgotton.

My Aunty had been driving a ford laser for a few years & phoned dad to see if he would be ok with her buying a Mazda, as she knew what the japs had done to him. I remember him laughing & saying, Shirley, you have been driving a jap car for the last five years. He never worried about that, but a lot of them did.

[Katman]

Starve a man nearly to death, then, if he doesn't work building a railway like a bodybuilder on P, shoot him in his tracks.

Makes you wonder what makes the jews think they're so special, dunnit?

[sidecar bob]

Makes you wonder what makes the jews think they're so special, dunnit?

They almost got off light as best I can tell.
Dad telling stories of his childhood around the dinner table probably isint what would be considered normal in hindsight.

[nzspokes]

My Aunty had been driving a ford laser for a few years & phoned dad to see if he would be ok with her buying a Mazda, as she knew what the japs had done to him. I remember him laughing & saying, Shirley, you have been driving a jap car for the last five years. He never worried about that, but a lot of them did.

Dad was same about the Germans.

[Katman]

I bet no-one here gives a fuck about the 10 million Congolese who were slaughtered at the hands of Leopald II of Belgium.

Lucky they were black, aye Bob?

[Katman]

Mind you, I bet wiping out 25,000 civilians in 48 hours in Dresden was quite an effort too.

[Ocean1]

I bet no-one here gives a fuck about the 10 million Congolese who were slaughtered at the hands of Leopald II of Belgium.

Lucky they were black, aye Bob?

How unusual.

In fact behaviour like that has been the norm throughout human history. Much as your average fuckwit conspiracy theorist might like to paint his pet bogeyman as black as possible there's plenty of historical evidence that racial intolerance is just the way we're built.

Some are aware of that. Fewer attempt to moderate their behaviour. And fewer still attempt to moderate other's.

[jonbuoy]

My Aunty had been driving a ford laser for a few years & phoned dad to see if he would be ok with her buying a Mazda, as she knew what the japs had done to him. I remember him laughing & saying, Shirley, you have been driving a jap car for the last five years. He never worried about that, but a lot of them did.

A different breed back then. He used to constantly blink which I guess now we would call PTSD - back then it was shell shock but never heard him complain about it. Or anything else for that matter. I'd be shaking like a shitting dog in the same situation.

[Katman]

Much as your average fuckwit conspiracy theorist might like to paint his pet bogeyman as black as possible there's plenty of historical evidence that racial intolerance is just the way we're built.

By 'racial intolerance' do you mean invading someone else's country and setting about slaughtering the native population?

Please tell me you don't find that an acceptable human characteristic.

[Ocean1]

By 'racial intolerance' do you mean invading someone else's country and setting about slaughtering the native population?

Please tell me you don't find that an acceptable human characteristic.

Historically, I find it pretty much the standard human behaviour on contact with a different culture.

Whether I accept that or not is completely irrelevant.

Of far greater import is understanding why.

[sidecar bob]

By 'racial intolerance' do you mean invading someone else's country and setting about slaughtering the native population?

Please tell me you don't find that an acceptable human characteristic.

Like the Maori did to the Moriori? That was a shit deal if ever I saw one, especially as now the Maori pretend that they are the indigenous race & take all the benefits associated with being an aggrieved minority.
That's almost a worse deal than the Jews got, seeing as the Moriori were mostly eaten.

[husaberg]

Makes you wonder what makes the jews think they're so special, dunnit?

Odd that you accept so readily the atrocities carried out by the Japanese, yet totally dismiss and make transparent excuses for the similar acts carried out by your Aryan brothers, Yet all the evidence is all based on witness testimony.

Because we all have seen you post previously, that you pay no credence at all to witness testimony.

[Woodman]

By 'racial intolerance' do you mean invading someone else's country and setting about slaughtering the native population?

Please tell me you don't find that an acceptable human characteristic.

Its what happened back then, and was deemed acceptable by most. Its not now, move on.

[husaberg]

Mind you, I bet wiping out 25,000 civilians in 48 hours in Dresden was quite an effort too.

Odd the Germans said it was 200,000, then 500,000
In March 1945, the German government issued a casualty figure of 200,000 for the Dresden raids, and death toll estimates as high as 500,000 have been given.

Bergander, GötzDresden im Luftkrieg. Würzburg: Flechsig.
Taylor, Frederick Dresden: Tuesday, 13 February 1945.
Atkinson, Rick . The Guns at Last Light (1 ed.). New York: Henry Holt.


Based on your previous posts citing disparity of death tolls, using your logic it must never have occurred at all.
Either that or they just died of malnutrition or disease.
Either that or it just doesn't suit your racist agenda to apply the same flawed logic.