Thinking of getting vaccinated?

[Dean]

https://youtu.be/GwTrdaw9oy8?si=toRprtquJVU9GkZf

Dean

[Dean]

“Sheep are easier to control when they don’t know they’re in a pen”.

Dean

[Dean]

https://youtu.be/h1nr7fprFPc?si=j6HAcNuDo5xKMn-M



Dean

[Kb2020dope]

https://youtu.be/GwTrdaw9oy8?si=toRprtquJVU9GkZf

Dean

100% correct!

I want to be completely honest here. When I made the decision not to get vaccinated, I faced a significant amount of criticism and discrimination. Many people thought I was being unreasonable, and I even risked my career by standing by my choice.

When reports about “turbo cancers” began to surface, I must admit that my initial reaction included thoughts such as “serves you right” and “I told you so.”

However, my perspective has since changed. I now genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has suffered as a result of these circumstances. It’s truly tragic, and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. You had every right to place your trust in the government and healthcare professionals—unfortunately, it appears that trust may have been misplaced.

[Dean]

100% correct!

I want to be completely honest here. When I made the decision not to get vaccinated, I faced a significant amount of criticism and discrimination. Many people thought I was being unreasonable, and I even risked my career by standing by my choice.

When reports about “turbo cancers” began to surface, I must admit that my initial reaction included thoughts such as “serves you right” and “I told you so.”

However, my perspective has since changed. I now genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has suffered as a result of these circumstances. It’s truly tragic, and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. You had every right to place your trust in the government and healthcare professionals—unfortunately, it appears that trust may have been misplaced.

Yup, look at the New Zealand emergency health data regarding heart related admissions since the Jab. Numbers have been soaring YOY. Fool me once…

Dean

[jellywrestler]

Personally, I believe there is only one God, but I completely respect that others may see things differently.

I feel sorry for people who don't beleive in god, they often have no one to call out to when they're having an orgasm.

[husaberg]

Oh look, dumb and bummer are back, fresh from competing in the Dutch Rudder team at the special olympics.

[Kb2020dope]

I feel sorry for people who don't beleive in god, they often have no one to call out to when they're having an orgasm.

Hahah! Mate! You are too much fun! I genuinely like your sense of humour! Keep it up

[Kb2020dope]

Oh look, dumb and bummer are back, fresh from competing in the Dutch Rudder team at the special olympics.

Nice once bud, how about you try act like your supreme leader and be kind (:

[F5 Dave]

Hail Satan.

[Kb2020dope]

Hail Satan.

David, you are better than this.

[Katman]

I want to be completely honest here. When I made the decision not to get vaccinated, I faced a significant amount of criticism and discrimination. Many people thought I was being unreasonable, and I even risked my career by standing by my choice.


I asked the question a few pages back but it went unanswered....

What was Destiny Church's policy on the vaccine passport requirement for people wanting to attend the church?

[Kickaha]

David, you are better than this.

He's not, really he's not

[Kb2020dope]

He's not, really he's not

Sad, but true.

[sugilite]

100% correct!

I want to be completely honest here. When I made the decision not to get vaccinated, I faced a significant amount of criticism and discrimination. Many people thought I was being unreasonable, and I even risked my career by standing by my choice.

When reports about “turbo cancers” began to surface, I must admit that my initial reaction included thoughts such as “serves you right” and “I told you so.”

However, my perspective has since changed. I now genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has suffered as a result of these circumstances. It’s truly tragic, and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. You had every right to place your trust in the government and healthcare professionals—unfortunately, it appears that trust may have been misplaced.



https://youtu.be/h1nr7fprFPc?si=j6HAcNuDo5xKMn-M



Dean


Yup, look at the New Zealand emergency health data regarding heart related admissions since the Jab. Numbers have been soaring YOY. Fool me once…

Dean

OK, I'm curious, how do you guys feel about trump and his flagship covid policy - "Project Warp Speed" that bought this vaccine to the masses in double quick time - the same vaccine you both clearly feel is some sort of death jab?

[SaferRides]

OK, I'm curious, how do you guys feel about trump and his flagship covid policy - "Project Warp Speed" that bought this vaccine to the masses in double quick time - the same vaccine you both clearly feel is some sort of death jab?Conveniently discarded in the dustbin of history.

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[flyingcrocodile46]

Conveniently discarded in the dustbin of history.

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100% correct
it's cognitive dissonance at work. Saves on introspection and self recrimination for being such a scared pussy as to willingly play Russian Roulette.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUIBYfAgoCk

[F5 Dave]

How did you get that from what he posted?

Given that most of the world has had the covid vaccine probably a few times and you might have noticed if we all started dieing in the numbers conspiracy people predicted.

And yet that has totally failed to happen. There are no mass grave sites being hidden of all the people you used to know.

Where is your failed theory now?

Or have you doubled down? Like when the rapture didn't happen,

again,

oh it will. It will.

Just admit you were wrong about the c19 vaccine. Like it's 3 years on from roll out and there's none of the magnetism or nanobots or any of that stuff.

Just man up. Don't be a coward.

[flyingcrocodile46]

How did you get that from what he posted?

Given that most of the world has had the covid vaccine probably a few times and you might have noticed if we all started dieing in the numbers conspiracy people predicted.

And yet that has totally failed to happen. There are no mass grave sites being hidden of all the people you used to know.

Where is your failed theory now?

Or have you doubled down? Like when the rapture didn't happen,

again,

oh it will. It will.

Just admit you were wrong about the c19 vaccine. Like it's 3 years on from roll out and there's none of the magnetism or nanobots or any of that stuff.

Just man up. Don't be a coward.

What the fuck are you babbling about? Your personal experience observations are meaningless. I haven't bothered telling everyone that of the thousands of people who I have been maintained contact with over that last 5 years, I have not observed any deaths from covid19. None ..Zero Nor have any of those thousands of people (and their many contacts) known (first hand) of anyone else who was said to have died directly from covid. Neither have any of those (likely tens of thousands of people been subject to serious consequence of contracting covid (i.e no more than a week or three of moderate misery similar to the flu).


Further "my own observation" is the complete polar opposite in relation to victims of the covid vaccines.
If you discount all of the claimed 'covid related' deaths of people that occurred as a result of underlying medical conditions (which could just as easily been triggered by a really bad flu the actual number of covid only deaths is very small (compared to the population. Funny how the usual flu death rate completely disappeared while we were ravaged by covid (yes, that too was attributed to covid). lack of access to medical care for routine treatment of people with serious medical conditions during the lockdowns was like a death sentence for many of those people (yes, there deaths also attributed to covid).


Ask a few AI services yourself "How many deaths around the world have occurred directly and only from Covid19 and what that number is expressed as a percentage of the population?".


The answer will include a lot of algorithmically driven political reasons to include those who died as a result of conditions that a really bad flu and total lockdown (no access to routine treatments) could have triggered, but the bottom line is that the percentage of the global population that died from COVID-19 based on the official figure of 7.1 million is approximately 0.09%
Does any of that count in your world??


I wouldn't play Russian Roulette based on the possibility of maybe being protected from a sub1% risk of death. This is really the point I was attempting to make when I started this thread way back in 2013. It didn't seem to help any of the 92-98% of ya'll who went ahead.put the barrel to the temple and pulled the trigger.

[flyingcrocodile46]

What the fuck are you babbling about? Your personal experience observations are meaningless. I haven't bothered telling everyone that of the thousands of people who I have been maintained contact with over that last 5 years, I have not observed any deaths from covid19. None ..Zero Nor have any of those thousands of people (and their many contacts) known (first hand) of anyone else who was said to have died directly from covid. Neither have any of those (likely tens of thousands of people been subject to serious consequence of contracting covid (i.e no more than a week or three of moderate misery similar to the flu).


Further "my own observation" is the complete polar opposite in relation to victims of the covid vaccines.
If you discount all of the claimed 'covid related' deaths of people that occurred as a result of underlying medical conditions (which could just as easily been triggered by a really bad flu the actual number of covid only deaths is very small (compared to the population. Funny how the usual flu death rate completely disappeared while we were ravaged by covid (yes, that too was attributed to covid). lack of access to medical care for routine treatment of people with serious medical conditions during the lockdowns was like a death sentence for many of those people (yes, there deaths also attributed to covid).


Ask a few AI services yourself "How many deaths around the world have occurred directly and only from Covid19 and what that number is expressed as a percentage of the population?".


The answer will include a lot of algorithmically driven political reasons to include those who died as a result of conditions that a really bad flu and total lockdown (no access to routine treatments) could have triggered, but the bottom line is that the percentage of the global population that died from COVID-19 based on the official figure of 7.1 million is approximately 0.09%
Does any of that count in your world??


I wouldn't play Russian Roulette based on the possibility of maybe being protected from a sub1% risk of death. This is really the point I was attempting to make when I started this thread way back in 2013. It didn't seem to help any of the 92-98% of ya'll who went ahead.put the barrel to the temple and pulled the trigger.


So I have no clue what you are babbling about

[Katman]

Like it's 3 years on from roll out and there's none of the magnetism or nanobots or any of that stuff.

Plenty of excess deaths and soaring cancer rates though.

[SaferRides]

What the fuck are you babbling about? Your personal experience observations are meaningless. I haven't bothered telling everyone that of the thousands of people who I have been maintained contact with over that last 5 years, I have not observed any deaths from covid19. None ..Zero Nor have any of those thousands of people (and their many contacts) known (first hand) of anyone else who was said to have died directly from covid. Neither have any of those (likely tens of thousands of people been subject to serious consequence of contracting covid (i.e no more than a week or three of moderate misery similar to the flu).


Further "my own observation" is the complete polar opposite in relation to victims of the covid vaccines.
If you discount all of the claimed 'covid related' deaths of people that occurred as a result of underlying medical conditions (which could just as easily been triggered by a really bad flu the actual number of covid only deaths is very small (compared to the population. Funny how the usual flu death rate completely disappeared while we were ravaged by covid (yes, that too was attributed to covid). lack of access to medical care for routine treatment of people with serious medical conditions during the lockdowns was like a death sentence for many of those people (yes, there deaths also attributed to covid).


Ask a few AI services yourself "How many deaths around the world have occurred directly and only from Covid19 and what that number is expressed as a percentage of the population?".


The answer will include a lot of algorithmically driven political reasons to include those who died as a result of conditions that a really bad flu and total lockdown (no access to routine treatments) could have triggered, but the bottom line is that the percentage of the global population that died from COVID-19 based on the official figure of 7.1 million is approximately 0.09%
Does any of that count in your world??


I wouldn't play Russian Roulette based on the possibility of maybe being protected from a sub1% risk of death. This is really the point I was attempting to make when I started this thread way back in 2013. It didn't seem to help any of the 92-98% of ya'll who went ahead.put the barrel to the temple and pulled the trigger. You're not helping yourself. I had to read that a few times to even understand what you were trying to say.

This thread has been interesting at times in the past, but the admins should do us all a favour now and lock it.



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[Kickaha]

Plenty of excess deaths and soaring cancer rates though.

Cancer rates have been increasing rapidly since 1990

[Katman]

Cancer rates have been increasing rapidly since 1990

'Turbo' cancers are a more recent phenomena.

[husaberg]

'Turbo' cancers are a more recent phenomena.
Yeah correct, it was only recently that the claimed existence of Turbo cancers was made up by antivaxers.....


There is no scientific evidence for a condition called "turbo cancer". "Turbo cancer" is not a medically recognized term and is considered a myth or conspiracy theory by the medical and scientific community. The term is primarily used in anti-vaccine circles to describe supposedly aggressive or fast-developing cancers linked to COVID-19 vaccination, a claim that is biologically implausible and unsupported by data.
Major health and cancer institutions, including the U.S. National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society, and the World Health Organization, have explicitly stated that there is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause cancer, lead to its recurrence, or accelerate its progression.


What's the bet you are so deluded you will claim to be a more reputable source than the U.S. National Cancer Institute, the American Cancer Society, and the World Health Organization.:facepalm:

[pritch]

'Turbo' cancers are a more recent phenomena.

The name shouts amateurish nonsense. I looked it up and the results said "myth" "conspiracy theory" and "invention". For normal people that should be the end of it.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You're not helping yourself. I had to read that a few times to even understand what you were trying to say.

This thread has been interesting at times in the past, but the admins should do us all a favour now and lock it.



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Setting aside your comprehension frustrations I am sure that many of the anti (misappropriately called) "anti-vaxxers" would like it shut down as the denial of logic and evidence is getting harder & harder with every new report and head stone, some of you are starting to feel a bit stoopid, and that is a real downer for your endorphin levels and self esteem. So I understand. Just shut your eyes and go back to sleep.

[husaberg]

Setting aside your comprehension frustrations I am sure that many of the anti (misappropriately called) "anti-vaxxers" would like it shut down as the denial of logic and evidence is getting harder & harder with every new report and head stone, some of you are starting to feel a bit stoopid, and that is a real downer for your endorphin levels and self esteem. So I understand. Just shut your eyes and go back to sleep.

No one is shutting done down any talk. you just refuse to produce any evidence and get upset and run off and hide when you are challenged about it.
So show us all a credible scientific paper that even mentions the actual existence of 'turbo cancer', which itself is an outstandingly ''unscientific'' term. A term itself, it seems that never actually existed in any search results I can find before 2019.

[Katman]

So show usall a credible scientific paper that even mentions the actual existence of 'turbo cancer', which itself is an outstandingly ''unscientific'' term. A term itself, it seems that never actually existed in any search results I can find before 2019.

It's cancer that acts so aggressively that the time from diagnosis till death is very short.

You can call it 'really fast cancer' if it makes you happier.

[husaberg]

It's cancer that acts so aggressively that the time from diagnosis till death is very short.

You can call it 'really fast cancer' if it makes you happier.

It would make everyone happy for you to produce a single scientific paper that even claims turbo cancer exists in the actual real world.
but hey for you, evidence is likely some antivax echo chamber on facebook. Or a YouTube video of a discredited heroine addicted chiropactor from Gutamula.

You have a long history of ''coming up short'' when it comes to backing up your claims.

Like the time you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there were numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ, yet you couldn't name a single one.
Or that time you claimed some animals were poisoned on their own property by 1080, when by the owner's own admission, they had wandered into a DOC area.
Or that time you posted an engine (the Geet)that was a well-known fraud, that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made-up piece of shit. You even called him a modern-day Nikola Tesla when in truth, he said he got the technology from an angel named Mrs Cunningham. Yet He invented nothing other than reusing a new way to scam the money of idiots.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps, when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof there were none, admitted freely themselves that it was obvious there were gas chambers.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nauseam, the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed, when they clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted state trooper Lyle Szupink as saying something, he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93.
Or that time you claimed over and over that an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was in fact, found less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you kept claiming passports, which were never found intact after a high-speed impact like 911, when in fact they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent, full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these three.
Or those times you repeatedly make and pass on false claims about vaccines and vaccine safety, often implying you know more than genuine medical experts, when you have no medical training at all.
Or that time you claimed it was uncommon for bikes to have footpegs mounted to the swingarm when tens, if not 100's of millions of bikes were made in over 120 models with this exact setup.

[Berries]

Setting aside your comprehension frustrations I am sure that many of the anti (misappropriately called) "anti-vaxxers" would like it shut down as the denial of logic and evidence is getting harder & harder with every new report and head stone, some of you are starting to feel a bit stoopid, and that is a real downer for your endorphin levels and self esteem.
Has anyone seen my camel?

[pritch]

Setting aside your comprehension frustrations I am sure that many of the anti (misappropriately called) "anti-vaxxers" would like it shut down as the denial of logic and evidence is getting harder & harder with every new report and head stone, some of you are starting to feel a bit stoopid, and that is a real downer for your endorphin levels and self esteem. So I understand. Just shut your eyes and go back to sleep.

It seems likely that your understanding of words like 'logic' and 'evidence' is unrealistically flexible.

[jellywrestler]

It's cancer that acts so aggressively that the time from diagnosis till death is very short.

You can call it 'really fast cancer' if it makes you happier.

oh, you mean one of those that wasn't diagnosed earlier and when it was it was too far gone, ?

[flyingcrocodile46]

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On the eve of Red Remembrance Day, (https://nzdsos.com/gh/c/3789/34568c/aHR0cHM6Ly9yZWRyZW1lbWJyYW5jZS5jby5uei8/) when we sense that many of us 5 years into this fight are tired and in need of a boost, we wanted to share this inspiring open letter from our friend and ally Andrew Hemingway the founder of Sacréd Health.




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Andrew's Message for Red Remembrance DayThe reason we support NZDSOS is as obvious as a gash to the hand.
We were all walked up to the red line by our state and they crossed it.
We lived our moment of fear that at on any day the police could knock on our doors and force a jab on us, force you out of work, force you to comply. And they threatened our children.
We’re all here for a reason. We were tested - and we stood up. We found leaders who planted a flag and said, “No further.” Each of us chose to unite, to protect our families and to never let that line be crossed again.
That’s why I came to our heroes with this dream: The dream to draw us together to strengthen our supply lines and build health and resilience before the next storm. Just as I have said that our health isn’t won in a crisis - it’s built every day. The same goes for our legal fights, awareness, push back, we need to build the coffers now not when the fight is upon us. There's no point coming home and finding a thug sitting in your house holding your family hostage and you say to yourself, right, I'll just pop down to the gym, get strong and return. It's too late.

And yet, in a nation where the majority of us already use supplements, funding NZDSOS by choosing Sacréd Health (https://nzdsos.com/gh/c/3789/34568c/aHR0cHM6Ly9zYWNyZWRoZWFsdGguY28ubnovY29sbGVjdGlvbn MvY29yZS1wYWNrcy1mb3ItZXZlcnktYm9keT9zY2FfcmVmPTk1 MDExMjguZ2Z0b1JndG93VGprMkw0JnNjYV9zb3VyY2U9bnpkc2 9z/) should be an obvious act of unity and action. Yet few of us have taken up the call. When I ask myself, why? Are we just so busy, distracted, dulled by life's noise - Possibly. I have slipped into that cycle myself, trying to shout louder to gain attention and in turn becoming just more noise, when really there is no reason to shout, we are all here for the same reason. But when I look closer at myself I am confronted with a reality I need to confess and remember.
If “never again” is real, we must prepare together - build strength daily and remember why we began. As Red Remembrance Day nears, my confession is simple: in my efforts and busyness, I forgot.
I forgot.
I forgot why I'm here.
I forgot the police standing outside of my shop waiting to arrest me if I failed to comply with the regime.
I forgot the thousands that screamed at me for just saying, no.
I forgot the slithering tone of the 'journalists' as they tried to lay word traps for me. Crafting their articles to one end, to seek my public humiliation and financial destruction. As tools of the government they attempted to lynch me in the court of public opinion as a warning to you. Comply with the state or this will be your fate.
I forgot the tragically sad vitriol of social media posters gleefully hoping for my failure and wishing hate and harm on my family.
I forgot the many confrontations in our shop.
I forgot my son being physically attacked by staff and security at a local supermarket for not wearing a mask.
That one of my employees 'coincidentally' lost the baby she carried just after her jab.
That people in my circle died suddenly of cancer or of another's rapid decline into dementia.
That my daughters lived in fear of their children being taken from them if they didn't take the jab.
That other business publically followed my lead and did lose their businesses, their life savings. People were destroyed.
That the state showed itself as not of us, but of them.
That, the mass hate and mistrust that entered our lives then, hasn't left.
That family denounced me.
That friends became few.
I have forgotten so many more moments like these, which, by their number become so commonplace as to be unremarkable and as such, forgotten.
Then the thought creeps in, perhaps I have become accustomed and accepted this new normal. Have I?
No I have not, but...
I forgot.
I forgot that I told myself, never again.
That I turned towards the trouble, not away.
That we will be crushed in the next crisis, if we don't prepare today.
I forgot that I will not let my grandchildren's future be stolen from them. I forgot that I am among allies and friends and heroes.
I forgot my need to be called to recall.
So it can't be again, to remember it all.
I remember.



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Andrew Hemingway
Founder, Sacréd Health


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[flyingcrocodile46]

Fear & Introspection.
Once compromised (to your own definition) by fear, you are owned by it until you fully own the shame of it.

[husaberg]

Fear & Introspection.
Once compromised (to your own definition) by fear, you are owned by it until you fully own the shame of it.
Funny....Fear is what makes an antivaxer unable to assess risks with logical thought pattern, here is a scientific paper about your own and Karen's limitations. Congradulations as admitting that you and Karen have a problem, is the first step.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08870446.2024.2381235#abstract

[flyingcrocodile46]

Funny....Fear is what makes an antivaxer unable to assess risks with logical thought pattern, here is a scientific paper about your own and Karen's limitations. Congradulations as admitting that you and Karen have a problem, is the first step.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08870446.2024.2381235#abstract

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PKB alert ... from someone who refuses every bit of evidence on technicalities, but who managed (without fear as a motivator) to assess the risk of a product that has to this day yet to be successfully tested (to the internationally approved standards abandoned to rush the MRNA vaccines through) and passed :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

"You Can't Handle the Truth": UK Health Watchdog Reportedly Refuses To Release Data On Vaccine Deaths

...the agency declared that releasing the data would lead to the “distress or anger” of bereaved relatives if a link were to be discovered...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-cant-handle-truth-uk-health-watchdog-reportedly-refuses-release-data-vaccine-deaths

[husaberg]

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PKB alert ... from someone who refuses every bit of evidence on technicalities, but who managed (without fear as a motivator) to assess the risk of a product that has to this day yet to be successfully tested (to the internationally approved standards abandoned to rush the MRNA vaccines through) and passed :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

"You Can't Handle the Truth": UK Health Watchdog Reportedly Refuses To Release Data On Vaccine Deaths

...the agency declared that releasing the data would lead to the “distress or anger” of bereaved relatives if a link were to be discovered...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-cant-handle-truth-uk-health-watchdog-reportedly-refuses-release-data-vaccine-deaths


So go on how about you show us all the evidence you are now claiming to have posted with such religious fervor. Hint you don't post actual evidence. Your evidence requirements seem to be,
1 sounds like a conspiracy with a coverup hopefully involving shadowy govt and big business collusion. def need ''big'' in brother or pharma or similar.
2 fits in with what you want believe
3 has to have a element of self serving quasi science, hopefully with disgraced scientist or doctor who can profit by selling an alternative treatment
4 so simplistic so that even a simple cretin like karen or you are capable of understanding.
The bar for you and Karen is set that low it's utterly hilarious.

[SaferRides]

BWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA PKB alert ... from someone who refuses every bit of evidence on technicalities, but who managed (without fear as a motivator) to assess the risk of a product that has to this day yet to be successfully tested (to the internationally approved standards abandoned to rush the MRNA vaccines through) and passed [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]

"You Can't Handle the Truth": UK Health Watchdog Reportedly Refuses To Release Data On Vaccine Deaths

...the agency declared that releasing the data would lead to the “distress or anger” of bereaved relatives if a link were to be discovered...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-cant-handle-truth-uk-health-watchdog-reportedly-refuses-release-data-vaccine-deaths

Did you read the Daily Telegraph article? The real story is that excess deaths in the UK were miscalculated, making COVID deaths during the pandemic appear too high. It is disappointing to see British MPs jumping on the vaccine conspiracy bandwagon, but not surprising given the hysteria that has developed.


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[pritch]

This lady had me worried for a bit.

https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1382104330241079

[Katman]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html


The claim "vaccines do not cause autism" is not an evidence-based claim because studies have not ruled out the possibility that infant vaccines cause autism.

[husaberg]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html
You have previously said you dont trust what the CDC says have you not?
Yet all of a sudden it's the gospel....

So who is now the head of the CDC since AUG 25?
Oh look RFK Jr....
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy3zjxy3dwo

i don't trust this guy, not because his party or his politics , but because his past delusional comments and his lack of medical or scientific credentials.

[sugilite]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360895349/cdc-turmoil-after-agency-backpedals-debunking-vaccines

[Katman]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/360895349/cdc-turmoil-after-agency-backpedals-debunking-vaccines

A Stuff article?

Well that's settled then.

[husaberg]

A Stuff article?

Well that's settled then.


An interesting viewpoint.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/118291756/why-mandatory-vaccination-is-unethical-and-immoral

https://www.stuff.co.nz/wellbeing/360835256/ferrari-alarming-rise-young-bowel-cancer-kiwi-scientists-chase-clues
Don't anyone go looking at the elephant in the room though.



Fuck, you are that much of a narcissistic hypocrite ,its hilarious....

ps its a washington post article it says int in the article....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2025/11/20/cdc-vaccines-autism-website-change/

[nzspokes]

A Stuff article?

Well that's settled then.

You still waffling on about this? The world moved on years ago. :facepalm:

Guess it gives you something to do.

[sugilite]

A Stuff article?

Well that's settled then.

Whew, cheers man. I'm glad I could help out. You seemed totally unaware that a dude who had brain worms, thinks that dropping a dead bear off in New York Central Park is a cool prank, and whose misinformation essentially murdered a bunch of Pacific Islanders had been appointed as head of the CDC by the most criminally corrupt President the USA has ever seen.
And I get it, this thread is only 12 years old, and it is completely understandable that your attention would be focused on being the first Kber to find a peer reviewed study showing what you have been saying has been true all along - I mean it must just be around the corner right?

[pritch]

And I get it, this thread is only 12 years old, and it is completely understandable that your attention would be focused on being the first Kber to find a peer reviewed study showing what you have been saying has been true all along - I mean it must just be around the corner right?

Chortle. :laugh:

Sadly with Trump having appointed RFK Jr at its head the CDC is just another circus.

[Katman]

And I get it, this thread is only 12 years old, and it is completely understandable that your attention would be focused on being the first Kber to find a peer reviewed study showing what you have been saying has been true all along - I mean it must just be around the corner right?

I've provided plenty of links to studies that suggest many vaccines aren't as safe and effective as they'd like you to believe.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge them is not my problem.

[sugilite]

I've provided plenty of links to studies that suggest many vaccines aren't as safe and effective as they'd like you to believe.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge them is not my problem.

Please point me to the best one, that being peer reviewed with smoking gun type evidence, rather than just a "suggestion".

[Katman]

Please point me to the best one, that being peer reviewed with smoking gun type evidence, rather than just a "suggestion".

I'm not here to do your homework for you.

[husaberg]

Please point me to the best one, that being peer reviewed with smoking gun type evidence, rather than just a "suggestion".
What I find hilarious is that for years, Karen has insinuated and made direct statements on this and likely other platforms. That we can't trust big orgs like the CDC and all the scientists because they are corrupt. Yet, RFK is having to fire people and is clearly not able to get any scientists to say what he orders them to, so he has to get administrators or himself to issue the not factual releases.
All this demonstrates is
1. How gullible Karen is. as he so desperately wants to hear what he believes,even if it's clearly not backed by evidence.
2, that he was completely wrong and has shown this himself through his post, as the scientists refuse to sign off on unscientific misinformation.
3, karen is an epic hypocrite, constantly claiming one source is wrong because it doesn't say what he wants it to while using the exact same source himself if it appears to suit him.
4 , Karen is so far up himself he can't even see is own narcissistic hypocritical actions are showing him to be a complete cretin.

[pritch]

Please point me to the best one, that being peer reviewed with smoking gun type evidence, rather than just a "suggestion".

It would probably be helpful if the author had not already been struck off. Although that will make it difficult.

[flyingcrocodile46]

All the many senate hearings have proven that Fauci and the CDC were full of liars who misled the people.
The firing of those proven liars should result in an increase in credibility rather than decrease. But morons obviously see it differently

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=356998&d=1763771982

[husaberg]

I've provided plenty of links to studies that suggest many vaccines aren't as safe and effective as they'd like you to believe.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge them is not my problem.


Please point me to the best one, that being peer reviewed with smoking gun type evidence, rather than just a "suggestion".

I'm not here to do your homework for you.

Yet another example when you are asked what you only minutes before claimed to have evidence of, Yet you cant supply any...

Just Like the time you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there were numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ, yet you couldn't name a single one.
Or that time you claimed some animals were poisoned on their own property by 1080, when by the owner's own admission, they had wandered into a DOC area.
Or that time you posted an engine (the Geet)that was a well-known fraud, that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made-up piece of shit. You even called him a modern-day Nikola Tesla when in truth, he said he got the technology from an angel named Mrs Cunningham. Yet He invented nothing other than reusing a new way to scam the money of idiots.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps, when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof there were none, admitted freely themselves that it was obvious there were gas chambers.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nauseam, the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed, when they clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted state trooper Lyle Szupink as saying something, he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93.
Or that time you claimed over and over that an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was in fact, found less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you kept claiming passports, which were never found intact after a high-speed impact like 911, when in fact they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent, full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these three.
Or those times you repeatedly make and pass on false claims about vaccines and vaccine safety, often implying you know more than genuine medical experts, when you have no medical training at all.
Or that time you claimed it was uncommon for bikes to have footpegs mounted to the swingarm when tens, if not 100's of millions of bikes were made in over 120 models with this exact setup.
Or that time you made all these claims about turbo cancer when it doesn't actually exist outside the imagination of a tiny group of of tiny pecker conspiracy idiots

[husaberg]

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html


A Stuff article?

Well that's settled then.



All the many senate hearings have proven that Fauci and the CDC were full of liars who misled the people.
The firing of those proven liars should result in an increase in credibility rather than decrease. But morons obviously see it differently

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/about/autism.html




So lets get this straight karen and the brain fried crock
Believe a former disbarred lawyer with zero medical experience other then his on drug addiction, over overwhelming scientific and medial opinion.


His own words of RFK jr.
RFK Jr. says he personally directed CDC's new guidance on vaccines and autism
Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. told The New York Times in an interview that he personally directed the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to update its website to contradict its longtime guidance that vaccines don’t cause autism..

Karen and brainfriedCroc you are gullible.....

[sugilite]

Chortle. :laugh:

Sadly with Trump having appointed RFK Jr at its head the CDC is just another circus.
and the more than 600 CDC staff fired so far, mostly from the preventative side of the department, what could possibly go wrong?


I'm not here to do your homework for you.
You could have saved some typing by just saying No. Clearly you are not here to do your homework - as evidenced by an abject failure to find any peer reviewed evidence to back any of what you have been peddling these last 12 years.


What I find hilarious is that for years, Karen has insinuated and made direct statements on this and likely other platforms. That we can't trust big orgs like the CDC and all the scientists because they are corrupt. Yet, RFK is having to fire people and is clearly not able to get any scientists to say what he orders them to, so he has to get administrators or himself to issue the not factual releases.
All this demonstrates is
1. How gullible Karen is. as he so desperately wants to hear what he believes,even if it's clearly not backed by evidence.
2, that he was completely wrong and has shown this himself through his post, as the scientists refuse to sign off on unscientific misinformation.
3, karen is an epic hypocrite, constantly claiming one source is wrong because it doesn't say what he wants it to while using the exact same source himself if it appears to suit him.
4 , Karen is so far up himself he can't even see is own narcissistic hypocritical actions are showing him to be a complete cretin.

13th year lucky for him and croc? Won't hold my breath.


It would probably be helpful if the author had not already been struck off. Although that will make it difficult.
The sample size of that study was just 12 children - coincidentally the same number of years that this thread has been running with no concrete proof :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

and the more than 600 CDC staff fired so far, mostly from the preventative side of the department, what could possibly go wrong?


You could have saved some typing by just saying No. Clearly you are not here to do your homework - as evidenced by an abject failure to find any peer reviewed evidence to back any of what you have been peddling these last 12 years.



13th year lucky for him and croc? Won't hold my breath.


The sample size of that study was just 12 children - coincidentally the same number of years that this thread has been running with no concrete proof :rolleyes:

11 of the 12 childrens parents that were hand selected by wakefraud on the basis there parents were already blaming the vaccine.
On top of that, one of Dr. Wakefield's business partners was the father of a child studied in the 1998 report.


A British solicitor who was working on a lawsuit against the vaccine maker paid Dr. Andrew Wakefield, lead author of the Lancet study, hundreds of thousands of pounds (more than $600,000 in US currency) to develop the study.

The Lancet report triggered a decline in MMR vaccine uptake in many countries and a widespread belief that the vaccine causes autism, though numerous subsequent studies have found otherwise. The article was retracted by the Lancet in February 2010. Wakefield was censured by Britain's General Medical Council in January 2010 and was later stripped of his British medical license.

On the basis of 12 cases in children, the Lancet paper proposed a new syndrome of enterocolitis and regressive autism and suggested it was precipitated by the MMR vaccine.

The patients for the study were recruited through campaigners against the MMR vaccine, and "the study was commissioned and funded for planned litigation."
Three of 9 children who were reported in the paper to have regressive autism were not diagnosed with autism at all, and only 1 of the 9 clearly had regressive autism.
Contrary to Wakefield's claim that all 12 children were normal before they received the MMR vaccine, 5 of them had preexisting developmental problems.
Some of the children were said to have had their first signs of developmental problems within days after vaccination, but the records showed that the first signs didn't appear until months later.
In nine cases, Wakefield changed "unremarkable colonic histopathology results" to "nonspecific colitis."
Wakefield's paper said the parents of eight children blamed the MMR vaccine for the problems, but 11 families actually told hospital officials they blamed the vaccine. Three of the families said symptoms began months after the vaccination, so these three were left out "to create the appearance of a 14-day temporal link."
Adding to the controversy, BMJ reported on Jan. 11 that Dr. Wakefield stood to profit "off the back of the vaccine scare, diagnosing a purported – and still unsubstantiated – 'new syndrome.'" Dr. Wakefield called the syndrome "autistic enterocolitis" and estimated in materials for prospective investors that a test for the disorder could bring in up to $43 million in revenue, the journal reported.
In an accompanying editorial, BMJ Editor Fiona Godlee and colleagues write that Wakefield's study was previously known to be "fatally flawed," but that Deer's investigation makes clear that it was an "elaborate fraud." Deer determined that none of the 12 cases described in the 1998 report "was free of misrepresentation or undisclosed alteration."
Wakefield, directly received about $674,000 from attorneys who planned to sue vaccine manufacturers.





Patent Application: Wakefield filed a patent application for a "pharmaceutical composition for treatment of IBD [inflammatory bowel disease] and RBD [regressive behavioural disorder or autism]" which included a potential rival single measles vaccine.
Undisclosed Conflict of Interest: The General Medical Council (GMC) investigation and subsequent reporting by investigative journalist Brian Deer revealed that Wakefield had a significant, undisclosed financial conflict of interest related to this patent and separate payments from lawyers suing MMR manufacturers.
Recommendation for Single Vaccines: At a press conference following the publication of his paper, Wakefield publicly recommended that parents use single measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines instead of the combined MMR jab, a recommendation that aligned with his commercial interests.
Deliberate Fraud: A subsequent investigation by the British Medical Journal (BMJ) concluded that Wakefield's actions amounted to deliberate fraud, including altering patient data to support his claims.
The failure to disclose these competing interests was a major factor in the GMC ruling that found Wakefield guilty of serious professional misconduct, leading to his removal from the UK medical register in 2010. The Lancet fully retracted the fraudulent paper the same year.

[Katman]

...as evidenced by an abject failure to find any peer reviewed evidence to back any of what you have been peddling these last 12 years.

Says the man who peddles magic healing crystals.

[sugilite]

Says the man who peddles magic healing crystals.

Took you long enough, not like I was not expecting it.
I can confirm nobody is doing peer reviewed reports on crystals, and likely never will in my lifetime. They for sure do have interesting special properties though.
See how easy it is to admit truth, you may wish to try it sometime. ;)

[Katman]

I can confirm nobody is doing peer reviewed reports on crystals, and likely never will in my lifetime. They for sure do have interesting special properties though.


Do tell us more.

I'm sure we'd all like to hear about your adherence to blind faith when it suits your purpose.

[sugilite]

Do tell us more.

I'm sure we'd all like to hear about your adherence to blind faith when it suits your purpose.

Ask a specific question, and I will do my best to answer it.

[Katman]

Ask a specific question, and I will do my best to answer it.

Do you recognise your hypocrisy?

[sugilite]

Do you recognise your hypocrisy?

I meant questions about crystals specifically. Once I have answered at least a few of your questions - then you can fire away and pass judgement on my alleged hypocrisy levels from my answers.
Fair?

[Katman]

I meant questions about crystals specifically.

My question is about your crystals.

[sugilite]

My question is about your crystals.

Hmmm, ok, which of my crystals specifically? I do not remember talking about crystals on kb other than sharing some photos sporadically. So I'm not sure where your hypocrisy angle is coming from? I'm not trying to be a smart alec, I'm genuinely ready to answer any questions you have to put to me as best I can.

[Katman]

So I'm not sure where your hypocrisy angle is coming from?

You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.

[sugilite]

You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.

Crystals is really a big subject, which is why I asked you for some sort of specific question.

Yes, there are people that do crystal healing utilizing what many would term as blind faith, myself included at times and I'm happy to expand on why that is if you do have any specific questions regarding that aspect of crystal healing.
However, crystals are also used in mainstream medicine as well. Lithium is one of those crystals.
Not only does lithium help power devices, it is also used in treating the medical disorders listed below.

1. Bipolar Disorder (Mania and Maintenance)

Lithium is considered the gold standard treatment for bipolar disorder. It helps:

Treat acute manic episodes

Reduce severity and frequency of mood swings

Prevent relapse of both mania and depression

Stabilise long-term mood in bipolar patients

This is its most common medical use worldwide.

2. Suicide-Prevention

Lithium is one of the few psychiatric medications proven to reduce the risk of suicide in people with mood disorders. This effect appears independent of its mood-stabilising effect.

3. Treatment-Resistant Depression

In major depressive disorder that doesn’t respond to standard antidepressants, lithium is sometimes added as an “augmentation” therapy to improve results.

4. Schizoaffective Disorder

Lithium can be used in combination with antipsychotics to help manage mood instability in certain cases.

How Lithium Works (Simplified)

Scientists still don’t fully understand the exact mechanism, but lithium appears to:

Regulate key neurotransmitters (serotonin, dopamine, glutamate)

Protect neurons and improve neuronal resilience

Influence cell signaling pathways (e.g., second messenger systems)

Reduce inflammation in the brain


Here is a list of peer reviewed studies on lithium.
1. Bipolar Disorder (Mood Stabilization)

Lithium is one of the most researched psychiatric medications ever.

Key studies:

Cade, 1949 – First published clinical trial showing lithium reduced mania.

Baldessarini et al., 2000s – Multiple analyses confirming lithium prevents relapse in bipolar disorder.

Severus et al., The Lancet Psychiatry 2014 – Large review concluding lithium remains the most effective long-term mood stabiliser.

2. Suicide Prevention

Lithium is unique in that it reduces suicide risk, and this effect is consistent across studies.



Major peer-reviewed research:

Baldessarini et al., Bipolar Disorders 2006
Meta-analysis showing lithium dramatically reduces suicide attempts and deaths in bipolar patients.

Cipriani et al., BMJ 2013
Found lithium was more effective at preventing suicide than other mood stabilizers and antidepressants.

Smith & Cipriani, The Lancet 2017
Review confirming lithium’s anti-suicidal effect even at moderate serum levels.

3. Treatment-Resistant Depression

Lithium is often added when antidepressants don’t work.

Evidence:

Bauer et al., Psychological Medicine 2010
Demonstrated lithium augmentation significantly improves outcomes in major depression.

Taylor et al., Cochrane Review 2020
Found strong evidence that lithium is effective as an add-on treatment for resistant depression.

4. Neuroprotective Effects

Research shows lithium may have brain-protective properties, such as:

Increasing grey matter

Promoting neuronal growth

Reducing inflammation

Examples:

Moore et al., Lancet 2000
MRI study showing increased grey matter volume in patients on lithium.

Chiu et al., Neuropsychopharmacology 2013
Shows lithium promotes neurogenesis and protects neurons from oxidative damage.

Malhi et al., Australian and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry 2017
Review of lithium as a neurotrophic agent.

5. Alzheimer’s & Dementia Studies

Some research suggests low-dose lithium may slow cognitive decline, though findings are mixed.

Examples:

Forlenza et al., British Journal of Psychiatry 2011
Low-dose lithium slowed progression of Alzheimer’s disease markers.

Matsunaga et al., Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease 2015
Meta-analysis showing lithium improved cognition in mild impairment.

6. Schizoaffective Disorder & Combination Therapy

Lithium is sometimes used alongside antipsychotics in complex mood + psychosis states.

Leucht et al., Schizophrenia Research 2015
Found lithium can reduce mood symptoms when added to antipsychotic treatment.

7. Monitoring, Thyroid & Kidney Effects

Because lithium has a narrow therapeutic range, long-term effects are also well studied.

Examples:

McKnight et al., Lancet 2012
Meta-analysis documenting kidney and thyroid risks and offering monitoring guidelines.

Gitlin, Journal of Psychiatric Practice 2016
Clinical monitoring recommendations for safe long-term lithium use.

Katman, here is one of the nicest lithium specimens I have sold below.......(unfortunately the mine was sold for battery making purposes, so they crush specimens like this now)

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/m976-7-scaled.jpg

https://andys-kawasaki-zxr-zx7r-tribute-site.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/m976-6.jpg

[husaberg]

You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.
I see you are now resorting to narcissistic projection (https://www.simplypsychology.org/narcissistic-projection.html).

A psychological defence mechanism where individuals with narcissistic traits, unconsciously attribute their own negative behaviours, flaws, and unacceptable feelings onto others. This tactic helps them avoid shame and protect their fragile self-esteem by shifting blame and responsibility away from themselves.
Whats hilarious is you never answer any questions yourself.

Just Like the time you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there were numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ, yet you couldn't name a single one.
Or that time you claimed some animals were poisoned on their own property by 1080, when by the owner's own admission, they had wandered into a DOC area.
Or that time you posted an engine (the Geet)that was a well-known fraud, that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made-up piece of shit. You even called him a modern-day Nikola Tesla when in truth, he said he got the technology from an angel named Mrs Cunningham. Yet He invented nothing other than reusing a new way to scam the money of idiots.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps, when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof there were none, admitted freely themselves that it was obvious there were gas chambers.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nauseam, the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed, when they clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted state trooper Lyle Szupink as saying something, he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93.
Or that time you claimed over and over that an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was in fact, found less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you kept claiming passports, which were never found intact after a high-speed impact like 911, when in fact they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent, full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these three.
Or those times you repeatedly make and pass on false claims about vaccines and vaccine safety, often implying you know more than genuine medical experts, when you have no medical training at all.
Or that time you claimed it was uncommon for bikes to have footpegs mounted to the swingarm when tens, if not 100's of millions of bikes were made in over 120 models with this exact setup.
Or that time you made all these claims about turbo cancer when it doesn't actually exist outside the imagination of a tiny group of of tiny pecker conspiracy idiots
Or that time you claimed to have provided plenty of links to studies that suggest many vaccines aren't as safe and effective yet when challenged failed to provide a single occasion or even link to a credible study.


Not only does lithium help power devices, it is also used in treating the medical disorders listed below.

.
Sugi unfortunately here is not enough lithium in a tesla to treat Karen.

[Katman]

Not only does lithium help power devices, it is also used in treating the medical disorders listed below.

1. Bipolar Disorder (Mania and Maintenance)

Lithium is considered the gold standard treatment for bipolar disorder. It helps:

Treat acute manic episodes



You should send some to the Berk.

[husaberg]

You should send some to the Berk.
Can't you even get your own material.
Are you that desperate project your own deficiencies on others FFS.
Out of interest and transparency. So is that 5 or 6 forum sites you have been banned from now?

[pritch]

Medical staff at the CDC have stated that the vaccines/autism notice was written by political appointments not medical staff. No surprises there.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hhs-study-vaccines-autism-david-geier_l_67e42a1ae4b05205243a5c98

[husaberg]

Medical staff at the CDC have stated that the vaccines/autism notice was written by political appointments not medical staff. No surprises there.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hhs-study-vaccines-autism-david-geier_l_67e42a1ae4b05205243a5c98

I too would be concerned especially given his total lack of qualification in medicine that was disciplined by the Maryland medical board for practicing medicine without a license.
https://www.mbp.state.md.us/BPQAPP/orders/GeierOrder07.302.pdf

[flyingcrocodile46]

So lets get this straight karen and the brain fried crock
Believe a former disbarred lawyer with zero medical experience other then his on drug addiction, over overwhelming scientific and medial opinion.



Karen and brainfriedCroc you are gullible.....

Said the ardent swallower the lies of qualified & proven liars :wacko:

You are a very very special kind of dumbarse, but chug away.

[flyingcrocodile46]

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[sugilite]

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You are right of course, the 13 peer reviewed studies listed in my post when matched to your zero peer reviewed studies over the 12 year lifespan of this thread is pretty hilerious right? :laugh:

[flyingcrocodile46]

You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.

Exactly They quaffed down the out and out lies told to them about the lethality of the virus (now determined to have a lethality of less than 1%) and willingly mainlined an unproven (except for the HIDDEN side effects that were subsequently found) completely new medical treatment touted as safe & effective (yet didn't work to stop either contraction of or shedding of the virus) A virus that was man made and paid for by the CDC and NIH.... the very agencies headed by the liars whose lies they are now attempting to defend.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Too stupid to acknowledge the reality of the lies (of they who Kennedy fired) exposed during recorded senate and congressional hearings that have been submitted in this thread for the consideration of their closed minds.

[Katman]

You are right of course, the 13 peer reviewed studies listed in my post when matched to your zero peer reviewed studies over the 12 year lifespan of this thread is pretty hilerious right? :laugh:

Disingenuous much??

You provided a list of studies showing the benefit of lithium as a medication.

The crystals you sell are primarily intended for people to sit cross legged with them in their laps while they chant OMMMMM.

[Berries]

Disingenuous much??

You provided a list of studies showing the benefit of lithium as a medication.
To be fair, we were all waiting for you to ask a specific question but you didn't.

flyingcrocodile sounds like he will be into crystals. See, loads in common between you all.

[Katman]

To be fair, we were all waiting for you to ask a specific question but you didn't.

I did ask him a specific question.

I asked if he recognised his hypocrisy.

[Katman]

Where's some lithium when you need it?

[Kickaha]

https://en.ssi.dk/news/news/2025/large-danish-study-no-link-between-vaccines-and-autism-or-49-other-health-conditions

[flyingcrocodile46]

I did ask him a specific question.

I asked if he recognised his hypocrisy.

People in denial often feign ignorance rather than conceded what hypocritical twats they are.

Look at how that husaberg twat deflects everything by finding every conceivable excuse to say that she has debunked evidence. Yet is in 1000% denial of the obvious fact that she chugged down every bit of the covid scamdemic terror program without applying any critical thinking at all. None. Zero genuine independent effort to apply the same level of skeptical evaluation. Now she is embarrassed and trying to pretend the cum stains ain't there.

[flyingcrocodile46]

How the Government Manufactured COVID Consent with John Carpay


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjyCVSHyGQY

[sugilite]

You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.
I directly responded to your vague question above, you claimed what appeared to be a blanket statement that crystals need blind faith to work - I said Wait, hold my beer. Not my fault you did not like the flavor. The truth can be bitter at times.


Disingenuous much??

You provided a list of studies showing the benefit of lithium as a medication.
Well, your super vague question seemed to intimate to me that you wanted to discuss crystal healing which you maintained requires blind faith - I provided information rebutting exactly that, crystal healing complete with peer reviewed receipts. Lithium is not the only crystal to be used in medical circles either btw. (interestingly, take crystals and their "special properties" out of any modern medical diagnosis equipment, and it would not work at all either.)


The crystals you sell are primarily intended for people to sit cross legged with them in their laps while they chant OMMMMM.
Fuck me, I had no idea you were such an expert on my customer base, do you do consulting marketing work as a side hustle per chance?
Purely judging on emails I receive from my customers over the last 27 years, I would give a generous estimate that 25 to 30% of my customers would fall under your label of people using crystals for energy/healing type work going on blind faith. The rest of my customers fall under 2 other categories - "rock Hounds" This collector has a strong interest in geology, and most often like digging their own crystal. Usually they will purchase some specimens of sellers like me to fill out their collections. The other group are people that view crystal/mineral specimens as natural art, and collect them much like people would collect paintings etc. At the end of the day, I can only speak to my understanding of crystals - I will leave the psycho analyzing of people you have never met to you.


I did ask him a specific question.

I asked if he recognised his hypocrisy.
Your exact question was this You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.

OK, so buried deep in the lithium information in my previous post was lurking this sentence. "How Lithium Works (Simplified) - Scientists still don’t fully understand the exact mechanism" (of how Lithium actually works). That is to say, scientists can do repeatable experiments showing that lithium is legitimately helpful in treating certain conditions satisfying the science to peer review level. However they do not know all the mechanics of why it works - which I find to be really, really interesting. Now the metaphysical crystal fans would point to that being where the magic is, I on the other hand believe that crystals do not have some sort of mystic power manifested purely out of some sort of "magic". My view is simply that humankind's knowledge of physics and other elements has not yet reached the point where science can explain the mechanics of how it works - yet.
Years ago I coined the phrase "Crystals - where today's magic is tomorrows science".

Now, addressing your hypocrisy statement, for me there is a very big difference between crystal healers having blind faith in getting a certain result with a crystal, and someone getting caught up in a vaccine conspiracy to the point where they feel they can discard all scientific research - make the choice not have to take a vaccine during a pandemic, no matter how serious that pandemic is. (think severe disability or death) and furthermore that they should have the freedom to wander among the people all the while passing on a preventable disease causing serious harm right through to death.

I can tell you this with 100% certainty - if things went apocalyptic during a serious life threatening pandemic and the rule of law broke down completely - if I were to see a devout anti-vaxxer approaching my family, no measure would be off the table in stopping said person in their tracks. The decision they made in essence forces me into a position of having to make my own decision in response.

[husaberg]

Said the ardent swallower the lies of qualified & proven liars :wacko:

You are a very very special kind of dumbarse, but chug away.

Very interesting, So to be a dumbase. All i have to do is show all the crap you post has no substance using verifiable evidence. Whilst at the same time you think yourself to be of a superior intellect on account of how you claim (without a single shred of credible evidence) that all i say is proven to be lies, yet you can never produce any evidence outside you and Taupo toilets steves opnion, Yeah nice one. You sure showed me.....
What's funny is you and taupo toilet Steve actually swallow this shit, like the Coprophiles you are...

I did ask him a specific question.

I asked if he recognised his hypocrisy.

We all see yours my 100'of unanswered questions and completely baseless opinions yet seem hypocritical enough to hassle sugi for not answering questions you never asked. All the while you make more baseless claims.

like those many occasions where you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.Or that time you claimed there were numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ, yet you couldn't name a single one.
Or that time you claimed some animals were poisoned on their own property by 1080, when by the owner's own admission, they had wandered into a DOC area.
Or that time you posted an engine (the Geet)that was a well-known fraud, that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made-up piece of shit. You even called him a modern-day Nikola Tesla when in truth, he said he got the technology from an angel named Mrs Cunningham. Yet He invented nothing other than reusing a new way to scam the money of idiots.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps, when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof there were none, admitted freely themselves that it was obvious there were gas chambers.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nauseam, the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed, when they clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted state trooper Lyle Szupink as saying something, he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93.
Or that time you claimed over and over that an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was in fact, found less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you kept claiming passports, which were never found intact after a high-speed impact like 911, when in fact they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent, full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these three.
Or those times you repeatedly make and pass on false claims about vaccines and vaccine safety, often implying you know more than genuine medical experts, when you have no medical training at all.
Or that time you claimed it was uncommon for bikes to have footpegs mounted to the swingarm when tens, if not 100's of millions of bikes were made in over 120 models with this exact setup.
Or that time you made all these claims about turbo cancer when it doesn't actually exist outside the imagination of a tiny group of of tiny pecker conspiracy idiots
Or that time you claimed to have provided plenty of links to studies that suggest many vaccines aren't as safe and effective yet when challenged failed to provide a single occasion or even link to a credible study.

[SaferRides]

Just thought I'd check in again...

Last time I looked, the world population was over 8 billion. So a lethality of less than 1% is less than 80 million. But who knows what would have happened without lockdowns and vaccines.

Hopefully there won't be another pandemic while a lunatic is in charge of the CDC. Otherwise we're all in trouble.





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[Katman]

Your exact question was this You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another.



That's not a question - as evidenced by the lack of a question mark.

[Katman]

But who knows what would have happened without lockdowns and vaccines.

They could always do a study of how the unvaccinated fared during and after Covid.

But I suspect the results wouldn't show what they wanted them to show.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Very interesting, So to be a dumbase. All i have to do is show all the crap you post has no substance using verifiable evidence. Whilst at the same time you think yourself to be of a superior intellect on account of how you claim (without a single shred of credible evidence) that all i say is proven to be lies, yet you can never produce any evidence outside you and Taupo toilets steves opnion, Yeah nice one. You sure showed me.....
What's funny is you and taupo toilet Steve actually swallow this shit, like the Coprophiles you are....

You are so dishonest that you persistently make herculean efforts to construct strawman rational around debunking news articles and/or reports that I post (not my claims but you pretend they are) to deflect from the fact that you have never once answered the allegations I make in respect to your refusal to acknowledge your own screamingly obvious cognition biases which are evidenced by your 100% failure to have applied anything like the level of CRITICAL ANALYSIS to your earlier decision to mainline an UNPROVEN treatment that has subsequently been shown to have abysmally failed to meet any of the much hyped (but never evidenced) performance claims. i.e stops recipient from contracting coved. Stops death from covid. Stops transmission of covid. Is safe. Not fucking one. You are a filthy dishonest gaslighting cowardly shill.

[sugilite]

That's not a question - as evidenced by the lack of a question mark.
That was in response to this post I made "Hmmm, ok, which of my crystals specifically? I do not remember talking about crystals on kb other than sharing some photos sporadically. So I'm not sure where your hypocrisy angle is coming from? I'm not trying to be a smart alec, I'm genuinely ready to answer any questions you have to put to me as best I can. "
Soooooo, we have a few options as to your response quoted.
1. You forgot to put the question mark.
2. You could not find the mental resources at that time to formulate an actual specific question.
3. you are literally the 3D poster child for the saying "When you point a finger at someone, 3 are pointing right back at yourself". (accusing me of being disingenuous)
4. An "oh fuck" moment where you realize that this line of questioning is not providing you with the rich seam of humiliating admissions your ignorance had you believing were just below the surface.


They could always do a study of how the unvaccinated fared during and after Covid.

But I suspect the results wouldn't show what they wanted them to show.

Suspect no more. Allow me to introduce you to five peer reviewed studies showing the results of your musings above. Now are you not glad your needlessly needling me in your rep comment has encouraged me to dig in and make myself at home in this thread? Because it took me all of a minute to find the below sport.

Key Peer-Reviewed Studies

Kirwan, P. D. et al. (2022).
Trends in COVID-19 hospital outcomes in England before and after vaccine introduction — Nature Communications

A large cohort study (259,727 hospitalized COVID-19 patients) showing that hospitalised fatality risk dropped significantly after vaccine rollout; compared to unvaccinated, one dose reduced the hazard, and two doses even more.

van Diepen, S. et al. (2023).
Association Between Vaccination Status and Outcomes in Patients Admitted to the ICU With COVID-19 — Critical Care Medicine

Retrospective cohort of ICU patients showing that unvaccinated patients had longer ICU stays and more mechanical ventilation; vaccinated patients (especially with boosters) had better outcomes.

Marra, A. R. et al. (2023).
The effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccine in the prevention of post-COVID conditions: a systematic literature review and meta-analysis — Antimicrobial Stewardship & Healthcare Epidemiology

This meta-analysis (32 studies, ~776,000 people) found that being fully vaccinated (before infection) reduced risk of long COVID; 3-dose vaccination gave the strongest protection.

Peine, C. et al. (2025).
Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against post-COVID-19 condition/long COVID: systematic review and meta-analysis — [Elsevier journal]

Updated review: with ≥1 dose vs unvaccinated, vaccine effectiveness (VE) against long COVID estimated around 41%; VE increased with more doses.

Gao, P., Liu, J. & Liu, M. (2022).
Effect of COVID-19 Vaccines on Reducing the Risk of Long COVID in the Real World: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis — International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health

Found a ~29% lower risk (RR = 0.71) of long COVID in vaccinated vs unvaccinated; benefits

[flyingcrocodile46]

That was in response to this post I made "Hmmm, ok, which of my crystals <snip drivel>

Another dishonest twat that pretends to misunderstand the blindingly obvious reference to the hypocritical double standards used between different subjects. Instead of simply addressing that allegation head on, you evade it altogether and instead construct a truckload of twaddle that you then try to frame as the subject to defend. All of which demonstrates that you are an incredibly untrustworthy and dishonest person who shouldn't be trusted with anything more substantive than the steam rising from the crap you excrete.

[sugilite]

Another dishonest twat that pretends to misunderstand the blindingly obvious reference to the hypocritical double standards used between different subjects.
I gave him full power to drive the narrative. I honestly do not feel it is my fault that your tag team partner then proceeded to climb to the top rope, only to fall flat on his face.


Instead of simply addressing that allegation head on, you evade it altogether and instead construct a truckload of twaddle that you then try to frame as the subject to defend.
To be fair, he did not give any context for this alleged hypocrisy. So I covered just one crystal type as not to confuse him further (I could of used plenty more examples). I get I may have just misunderstood him, so I looked at your input into the crystals subject which as it turns out just consisted of a lot of Hahahahaha text, and this post I'm quoting now. At this point I would have to say you are making katman look like a bonafide genius in comparison. However, having said that, clearly you are a good and caring mate, he probably needs a heartfelt atta boy about now.


All of which demonstrates that you are an incredibly untrustworthy and dishonest person who shouldn't be trusted with anything more substantive than the steam rising from the crap you excrete.
I'm sorry you feel that way. May I take the time to point out that in your rush to race over and smell the steam rising from the crap you claim I excreted, you passed on by the crux of my last post - thus are completely unaware I had helpfully answered katmans questions with peer reviewed data showing countless thousands of lives have been saved because of the vaccine. Noting that you appear to have started this thread out of pure concern for your fellow human beings - I simply cannot fathom why you are not thanking me and sorting out a decent knees up celebration - because as of now after 12 years of miserable searching, you finally have some good news in regards to vaccines. Sheesh - some people huh.

[pritch]

Facebook thought I needed to see this. So I thought I'd share.

[husaberg]

You are so dishonest that you persistently make herculean efforts to construct strawman rational around debunking news articles and/or reports that I post (not my claims but you pretend they are) to deflect from the fact that you have never once answered the allegations I make in respect to your refusal to acknowledge your own screamingly obvious cognition biases which are evidenced by your 100% failure to have applied anything like the level of CRITICAL ANALYSIS to your earlier decision to mainline an UNPROVEN treatment that has subsequently been shown to have abysmally failed to meet any of the much hyped (but never evidenced) performance claims. i.e stops recipient from contracting coved. Stops death from covid. Stops transmission of covid. Is safe. Not fucking one. You are a filthy dishonest gaslighting cowardly shill.
You clearly have a very low intelligence level and extreme levels of paranoia to be able construct such a error laden analysis. your post them and you make all sort of claims about what you post. Did you forget that.
Over and over again you claim and post bogus information without it having factual scientific basis. I have posted clearly you dont have any basis, and when you are challenged on this you are unable (like Taupo public toilet Steve) to produce any evidence to support you claims. Simply put you are a cretin. Your clams are what we expect from a cretin. Wake up your emperor has no clothes.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You clearly have a very low intelligence level and extreme levels of paranoia to be able construct such a error laden analysis. your post them and you make all sort of claims about what you post. Did you forget that.
Over and over again you claim and post bogus information without it having factual scientific basis. I have posted clearly you dont have any basis, and when you are challenged on this you are unable (like Taupo public toilet Steve) to produce any evidence to support you claims. Simply put you are a cretin. Your clams are what we expect from a cretin. Wake up your emperor has no clothes.

She screamed as her precious sanity narrative is slowly dissolved by reality, everywhere except the refuge of utter fuckwits. The shadows on the walls of the cave that they so willingly hide their heads in are shrinking every day as the disinfectant of light reaches further and further into their refuge.

[Berries]

Are you ok there or should I call someone?

[husaberg]

She screamed as her precious sanity narrative is slowly dissolved by reality, everywhere except the refuge of utter fuckwits. The shadows on the walls of the cave that they so willingly hide their heads in are shrinking every day as the disinfectant of light reaches further and further into their refuge.
Its sounds like you are reminiscing about all those the times you went Gerbiling with Karen. I hope you drunk bleach afterwards.:facepalm:

[SaferRides]

Are you ok there or should I call someone?[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[Katman]

To be fair, he did not give any context for this alleged hypocrisy.

Full context was given in post #6317.



May I take the time to point out that in your rush to race over and smell the steam rising from the crap you claim I excreted, you passed on by the crux of my last post - thus are completely unaware I had helpfully answered katmans questions with peer reviewed data showing countless thousands of lives have been saved because of the vaccine. .

You should have a watch of the US Senate hearing video about the corruption of science - the link to which was posted a few pages back.

[Dean]

You are a filthy dishonest gaslighting cowardly shill.

Agree, I would probably add a few other things to that list (feel free to PM me direct if you want to know more).

Re your posts on the dangers of the vaccine - nailed it.

[sugilite]

Full context was given in post #6317.

OK, this one: "You're quick to demand some sort of absolute proof for one thing, yet you're happy to rely on blind faith for another. "

Clearly from your later posts you are referring to people you categorized as holding crystals, meditating whilst going OMMMM, as against the many crystal studies of crystals used in orthodox medicine. If that is not your context, let me know. For me, the threshold of proof is a lot lower for say someone using crystals for metaphysical purposes such as meditation when compared to the question of vaccinations - which in many cases is literally life and death. Again, for me it comes into even sharper focus when you have people making statements like the ones below - which I rediscovered on my search for the video.

And yet you have the audacity to assume you know me well enough to suggest I'd hide away in self isolation if something "serious and contagious" came along.

So in short, if someone wants to meditate with crystals, or use them for some other type of metaphysical healing modality like reiki, I do not see that as a direct risk to my health, and they can carry on as they please. However, a person who says vaccines are a bunch of lies and they choose to not get any vaccines and walk among the people hosting and spreading a "serious and contagious" disease becomes a threat to myself, my family and the greater populous at large. Therein lies the difference for why I expect a higher standard of proof when it comes to vaccines over metaphysical use of crystals.


You should have a watch of the US Senate hearing video about the corruption of science - the link to which was posted a few pages back.


OK, I'm assuming it is the video I have pasted in below. I will upfront admit I did not watch it right to the end. I watched 2.5 hours of it though. I noticed a pattern and have put in the time stamp of an example of said pattern starting at 35.13 and ending at 51.10. It starts with a scientist stating the issues he has with the Henry Ford Report and his words sounded convincing. Then the anti vax guy came back with a rebuttal that also sounded convincing. The issue for me is the report was never officially published for peer review despite being completed 5 years ago - which to me strongly suggests the standard of data will not meet the rigours of the peer review system. The thing for me that is causing me to not be onboard with the notion that the official vaccine studies are all full of lies and should be discounted - is that it would require me to believe that thousands of scientists have put their careers on the line in order to prop up these lies in an environment that exists on the premise of experiments with repeatable results. Clearly you and others are there, but I'm not. I tried to get the video starting at the right timestamp, but the kb insert video script seems to strip it out sorry.


https://youtu.be/8vnRAOR4rYE?t=2113

[Katman]

However, a person who says vaccines are a bunch of lies and they choose to not get any vaccines and walk among the people hosting and spreading a "serious and contagious" disease becomes a threat to myself, my family and the greater populous at large.

I'll remind you that those who lined up for their Covid shots, still contracted and transmitted the virus.

[husaberg]

I'll remind you that those who lined up for their Covid shots, still contracted and transmitted the virus.
"I understand now why vaccine information is confusing for you. It's not just your paranoia or belief in conspiracy theories, but simply that you find it difficult to grasp."it's simply just because you are just too thick to comprehend basic risk analysis.

[Katman]

"t's simply just because you are just too thick to comprehend basic risk analysis.

Says the person who lined up for an experimental gene therapy treatment in the misguided assumption that it would save them from a virus that was already known to have a 99.8% survival rate. :facepalm:

[husaberg]

Says the person who lined up for an experimental gene therapy treatment in the misguided assumption that it would protect them from a virus that was already known to have a 99.8% survival rate.


Interesting i shouldn't be surprised you can't use maths. Also it shouldn't surprise me that you are so easily manipulated by conspiracy rubbish, as you are the most classic example of a dunning Kruger 2-minute idiot I have ever come across.

The case fatality rate (CFR) for the original COVID-19 strain in Italy during the initial outbreak was approximately 7.2% based on data up to March 17, 2020.
Different regions in Italy experienced varying rates; for example, the Lombardy region recorded a higher CFR of 18.3% during that period.
Overall in Italy, the mortality rate (case fatality rate) of COVID-19 during the predominance of the original (ancestral) SARS-CoV-2 strain was approximately 3.53%
Whilst in the US Alpha CFR: Approximately 5.3%.
Context: This is the death rate during the period when the Alpha variant was the most prevalent strain in the U.S., preceding the Delta variant's dominance.
Comparison: The death rate for the subsequent dominant Delta variant was higher at 7.5%
Alright, I understand why vaccine information confuses you. It’s not just paranoia or conspiracy theories—you just don’t understand how to assess risk and understand basic science or medicine. and continue to downplay the real figures by using death rates that include the effects after the vaccine roll out and whenimunity levels increased which is just thick.Honestly, it seems like you’re so caught up in your own narcissistic perspective, you haven’t considered how vaccines protect people who are vulnerable, like the sick or elderly. Maybe it’s for the best that you haven’t passed on your genes.


What really interests me is that you expect anyone to believe what you post here, As it completely goes against the expert opinion of the vast majority of real experts, even though you have absolutely no background in science or medicine. And honestly, it’s surprising—because even as a so-called mechanic, you can’t recognise obvious scams in engineering. You’re so naive in your own area that you actually called some random person a modern-day Tesla right here on this forum.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174599-Alternative-fuels?p=1130863607#post1130863607



Some further info.


http://www.geetfriends.net/


He sounds like the modern day Nikola Tesla.
https://youtu.be/d5YsK3bwzPM

[flyingcrocodile46]

Alright, I understand why vaccine information confuses you. It’s not just paranoia or conspiracy theories—you just don’t understand how to assess risk and understand basic science or medicine. Honestly, it seems like you’re so caught up in your own narcissistic perspective, you haven’t considered how vaccines protect people who are vulnerable, like the sick or elderly. Maybe it’s for the best that you haven’t passed on your genes.]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=357045&d=1764389306

[pritch]

RFK Jr is apparently relaxing safety precautions related to asbestos. Testing cosmetic products for asbestos may be relaxed, similarly worker safety requirements may also be loosened
Sure he's completely sane and it's safe to believe the unhinged drivel he promulgates about vaccines. :whistle:

[husaberg]

prattle and an obvious attempt to take the spotlight of a very stupid set of posts by Karen, using a variety of obvious deflections like the latest gish gallop



https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQa7d8dOQn8CfshRlxuSCU4O3FPvWl0c tpH1A&s
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RFK Jr is apparently relaxing safety precautions related to asbestos. Testing cosmetic products for asbestos may be relaxed, similarly worker safety requirements may also be loosened
Sure he's completely sane and it's safe to believe the unhinged drivel he promulgates about vaccines. :whistle:
Thing is its not that ''precautionary only''when it actually shows that there is asbestos in talc
https://mesothelioma.net/mesothelioma-news/asbestos-uniquely-found-in-cosmetic-talc-identified-in-mesothelioma-victims-lung/

Just as well RFKj is on the job to protect everyone....maybe his ''brain worm'' ate the portion of his brain that remembers shit.

[sugilite]

RFK Jr is apparently relaxing safety precautions related to asbestos. Testing cosmetic products for asbestos may be relaxed, similarly worker safety requirements may also be loosened
Sure he's completely sane and it's safe to believe the unhinged drivel he promulgates about vaccines. :whistle:

It gets even better Pritch, Trump is so on board with jfk's MAHA approach that is he rolling back laws preventing forever chemicals (PFAS) from being used - even in food production.
https://jacobin.com/2025/11/pfas-regulation-trump-epa-lobbyists

A real win for the anti science brigade too, thanks to trump and his appointed cronies the anti science anti vaxxers now get to top up on forever chemicals direct from their food supplies - HOORAY! Ultimately a win for everyone - if it were only them eating the shit that is :rolleyes:
MAHA forever!

Satire: JFK, trump and EPA head lee zeldon were greatly concerned anti vaxers had been avoiding their maha approved chemical intakes by actively abstaining from vaccines. Zeldon continued "yeah, somehow anti vaxers had found chemicals that our scientists had been hiding in plain sight undetected for the last 50 years, so we needed to increase their uptake in PFEA's while they were distracted on jfk's vaccine disinformation lolly scramble" . jfk went on to add "We only hope there is enough of these useful idiot anti vaxers left alive to keep peddling our anti health policies sending big chemical profits soaring"! Not to be out done - trump added "this is a beautiful biggest win for big business ever, which of course is waaaay more important than peoples health - now is a great time to invest in "big coffin" as profits will soon be booming. In a msg directly aimed at big chemical - trump added, cumon guys, get those bribes into my crypto account at address 5446643643$%%ggghjhj%%%345543fuck!you%all^im*rich# and!your@dead! Thank you for your attention in this matter"!

[sugilite]

I'll remind you that those who lined up for their Covid shots, still contracted and transmitted the virus.

I know a serious case facts can make you break out in lies - however the early version of covid was pretty bloody serious, later weaker variants not so much.

During the peak of the early COVID-19 pandemic in New York City (March to June 2020), the surge of fatalities overwhelmed hospital morgues and funeral homes, leading to bodies being placed in
refrigerated container trucks that served as temporary morgues.
Key Details

Overwhelmed System: At the peak of the crisis in early April 2020, New York City recorded about 800 deaths in a single day, a rate far exceeding the capacity of permanent morgues and funeral directors.

Mortality Rate Comparison by Variant
Studies have shown a marked decrease in the case fatality rate (CFR) as the virus evolved and as population immunity increased through vaccination and prior infection. A study analyzing data from Japan found the following mortality rates during different variant-predominant waves:

Wild-type (early 2020): 2.7%
Alpha: 2.1%
Delta: 0.7%
Omicron (current): 0.4%

Imagine the panic if it had been even 5%, the populous would of really freaked out, law and order would of flown out the door. The 2a gun happy USA citizens in particular would of started vaccinating each other with bullets in pretty short order.

[Katman]

During the peak of the early COVID-19 pandemic in New York City (March to June 2020), the surge of fatalities overwhelmed hospital morgues and funeral homes, leading to bodies being placed in
refrigerated container trucks that served as temporary morgues.


And of course the media have never been guilty of excessive embellishment in order to further a particular agenda. :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

And of course the media have never been guilty of excessive embellishment in order to further a particular agenda. :rolleyes:
an attempt at another gish gallop #The subject was your latest attempt at a misleading use of figures, you were trying to pass off only a few posts ago
Or is your short term memory ruined by cannabis use you cant remember back to your own post a page ago?

Although if we go back in this thread a lot of your posts are utter shit.


Andrew Wakefield established a link between gastrointestinal problems and autism back in 1998.

Do you still stand behind this utter untruth?

or these

Except I've never claimed to be certain that Andrew Wakefield is right.

I've merely suggested that, in light of the fact that the CDC appears to have committed fraud in destroying data that could support Andrew Wakefield's findings, further investigation into the matter is required.

As Andrew Wakefield states, if there is the slightest doubt as to the safety of a vaccine an excess of caution should be exercised.

If going back to the 3 separate shots is not an option then pushing the vaccine schedule out to 36 months instead of 12 months should be the next step.

So Andrew Wakefield wasn't struck off for producing fraudulent test data.


Like I've said before, I trust you'll be man enough to retract that statement should it ever transpire that Andrew Wakefield has simply been made subject to a smear campaign by the pharmaceutical industry.


You clearly know nothing about Andrew Wakefield.


Andrew Wakefield's insurance wouldn't cover the cost of an appeal process.

[sugilite]

And of course the media have never been guilty of excessive embellishment in order to further a particular agenda. :rolleyes:

Ahhhh, that explains it - Those more than 135 refrigerated truck n trailers that were deployed to the streets outside hospitals in New York were actually oversized Mr Whippy trucks selling ice creams? <_<

[Katman]

Ahhhh, that explains it - Those more than 135 refrigerated truck n trailers that were deployed to the streets outside hospitals in New York were actually oversized Mr Whippy trucks selling ice creams? <_<

So you just need to be shown a picture to believe a story?

[sugilite]

So you just need to be shown a picture to believe a story?

Says the guy who believes the entire scientific vaccine staff Worldwide are conducting a misinformation campaign since forever. :laugh:

[Katman]

Says the guy who believes the entire scientific vaccine staff Worldwide are conducting a misinformation campaign since forever. :laugh:

I believe the vast majority of the scientific and medical communities say and do exactly what their pharmaceutical industry funders tell them to say and do.

[pritch]

During the peak of the early COVID-19 pandemic in New York City (March to June 2020), the surge of fatalities overwhelmed hospital morgues and funeral homes, .

In Italy the hospital passageways were filled with people fighting for their last breath. It was very serious and COVID was not a nice way to die..

The mismanagement in Britain resulted in serious loss of life. The government here acted promptly and gave us time. We were lucky.

[Katman]

In Italy the hospital passageways were filled with people fighting for their last breath. It was very serious and COVID was not a nice way to die..

The mismanagement in Britain resulted in serious loss of life. The government here acted promptly and gave us time. We were lucky.

And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.

It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.

[husaberg]

I believe the vast majority of the scientific and medical communities say and do exactly what their pharmaceutical industry funders tell them to say and do.
What just happened with the whole of the CDC scientific and medical refusing to follow the orders of RFKJR to post antivax rubbish proves that belief completely wrong.

And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.

It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.

If this occurred it would be very easy for you to post these videos then?.......

[sugilite]

If this occurred it would be very easy for you to post these videos then?.......

I was just thinking the same! Watch for the "Do your homework cuz I ain't got nuthin" reply ;)

[husaberg]

I was just thinking the same! Watch for the "Do your homework cuz I ain't got nuthin" reply ;)
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[pritch]

And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.

It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.

That's from way out in left field. Corpses do move after death though. The mass graves in New York formed an impression too. I hope you aren't going to suggest that the boxes were empty.

[Katman]

The mass graves in New York formed an impression too.

It appears they impressed you greatly.

[pritch]

It appears they impressed you greatly.

The richest nation on earth burying their dead in mass greaves? Yeah, that got my attention. How is your search for video of dancing corpses coming along?

[husaberg]

And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.

It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.



If this occurred it would be very easy for you to post these videos then?.......


I was just thinking the same! Watch for the "Do your homework cuz I ain't got nuthin" reply ;)


The richest nation on earth burying their dead in mass greaves? Yeah, that got my attention. How is your search for video of dancing corpses coming along?

So you have found this video of what you claimed were ''crisis actors'' ''pretending'' to be COVID corpes to show us all now?...

[jellywrestler]

So you have found this video of what you claimed were ''crisis actors'' ''pretending'' to be COVID corpes to show us all now?...

These guys are under sheets, not sure whther it's the one he was talking of though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r53YpARSFE

[husaberg]

These guys are under sheets, not sure whether it's the one he was talking of though? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r53YpARSFE
I am sure its more his channel.
Right now, as well as scrambling, I am sure Karen is coming to the realisation that his mouth has written cheques his arse wants to cash.
I bet he's realising if he posts the clip that did the rounds on exclusively conspiracy sites, it was likely off a Russian music video or training video, Or was a video of people in China sleeping in the streets. So what you won't see is an admission, That he was wrong, misled, ill-informed, gullible and a total knob-end.

[Katman]

https://rumble.com/v4o58uq-steve-kirsch-with-tucker-carlson-on-the-barry-young-data.html

[Katman]

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2546

[husaberg]

https://rumble.com/v4o58uq-steve-kirsch-with-tucker-carlson-on-the-barry-young-data.html

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2546
So exactly were in the videos is the actors under the sheets pretending to be ''covid corpses'' you have claimed to have seen?
or was that just another one of you imaginary stories where you make a claim but have no evidence at all.
Then to divert attention you try to change the subject. with multiple posts.

And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.

It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.


If this occurred it would be very easy for you to post these videos then?.......


I was just thinking the same! Watch for the "Do your homework cuz I ain't got nuthin" reply ;)


How is your search for video of dancing corpses coming along?
So you have found this video of what you claimed were ''crisis actors'' ''pretending'' to be COVID corpes to show us all now?...

[jellywrestler]

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2546

Wow, that's one person per 34.5 million, scary statistics, your years of raving about this shit has not gone wasted, well done.

[Katman]

Wow, that's one person per 34.5 million, scary statistics, your years of raving about this shit has not gone wasted, well done.

I'm sure your words would give great comfort and closure to the parents of those children.

[jellywrestler]

I'm sure your words would give great comfort and closure to the parents of those children.

google school shootings in America, think the stats are a little higher.

How do you function scared shitless of something with a 1 in 34.5 million fataility rate? Are you still high up in a tree waiting for a tsunami after todays two serious earthquakes in the lower north island?
You know the volcanoes across the lake from you can kill you too.

[Katman]

How do you function scared shitless of something with a 1 in 34.5 million fataility rate?

What were you more scared shitless of - the virus or disobeying the government?

[jellywrestler]

What were you more scared shitless of - the virus or disobeying the government?

Nothing scares me shitless, I truly feel for your vuneralability.
The Virus didn't worry me, but my partner of many years had reservations and she lets me use her fanny to have a wank in so I had to respect her position, and ensure she felt safe.
I'm sure you look both ways when crossing a road, just in case, and the chances there are less than 1 in 34.5 million

[Katman]

The Virus didn't worry me, but my partner of many years had reservations and she lets me use her fanny to have a wank in so I had to respect her position, and ensure she felt safe.


What a good wee boy you are.

I'm sure she's very proud of you.

[jellywrestler]

What a good wee boy you are.

I'm sure she's very proud of you.

I've shared her health struggles over the years, including the current one, it's not about being a good wee boy, It's bacuase I actually care for her both physically and mentally, there's a few words I'd use to describe it, none I think you'd be capable of understanding sadly

[Katman]

I've shared her health struggles over the years, including the current one

Don't go thinking you're anything special.

I've done the same with mine.

[jellywrestler]

Don't go thinking you're anything special.

I've done the same with mine.

Nobodies special, we all sit on the toilet the same way

[SaferRides]

https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2546

What on earth is this doing in the BMJ? And it's paywalled. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

Link to the NY Times article on this: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/28/health/fda-children-deaths-covid-vaccines.html?unlocked_article_code=1.6E8.5dnN.KmN ILX46s0DX&smid=url-share

Like any medical intervention, vaccines do have side effects. But the Pfizer vaccine, by any rational measure, was very safe compared to most vaccines.


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[sugilite]

https://rumble.com/v4o58uq-steve-kirsch-with-tucker-carlson-on-the-barry-young-data.html
Are these the poorly trained crisis actors that could not stay still under the sheets?


https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2546

Is this guy yours and crocs 12 year old love child?
'Vinay Prasad memo said at least 10 children had died from Covid vaccination – but offered scant evidence for claim - Prasad offered no other details about the children’s cases, including which conditions led to their deaths, how those deaths were linked to vaccination, or why initial investigations ruled the deaths unrelated and why subsequent investigations disagreed. '

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/04/us-vaccines-vinay-prasad-memo

[Katman]

You stated this


Yet despise multiple occasions where you have had the opportunity to back up your posts with evidence, you have instead been a total coward and gone into hidding as per normal what we would expect from a gutless narcissistic twat.

I think I finally have you figured out.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/22832-anosognosia

[husaberg]

In your medical opinion how interesting.....


And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.
It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.
So here we are again despite multiple occasions where you have had the opportunity to back up your posts with evidence.
You have instead been proven to be a total coward and gone into hiding as per what we have come to expect from a gutless narcissistic.
if what you claimed to have seen had existed in the real world you would have posted it pages ago.


If this occurred it would be very easy for you to post these videos then?.......

I was just thinking the same! Watch for the "Do your homework cuz I ain't got nuthin" reply ;)

How is your search for video of dancing corpses coming along?
So you have found this video of what you claimed were ''crisis actors'' ''pretending'' to be COVID corpes to show us all now?...

So exactly were in the videos is the actors under the sheets pretending to be ''covid corpses'' you have claimed to have seen?
or was that just another one of you imaginary stories where you make a claim but have no evidence at all.
Then to divert attention you try to change the subject. with multiple posts.

Are these the poorly trained crisis actors that could not stay still under the sheets?

[Kickaha]

French study on 28 million people

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(22)00135-1/fulltext

https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/bmjph/3/1/e001836.full.pdf

[F5 Dave]

I'm thinking of getting a TDAP update .

Perhaps I should ask some low intelligence bleeders on the Internet what they think.

Or trust some scientists would actually study efficacy of results. But then again they are probably getting rich from being in the pocket of big pharma. You see them driving around in Mercedes.

If you don't hear from me again I'm one of the countless millions who died minutes after injection.

Usually 30 min after. They keep you 20 min so it gives you 10min to get far enough away from the scene of the crime so they don't get implicated.
:tugger:

Oh yeah. [Unsubscribe]

[Katman]

Oh yeah. [Unsubscribe]

You know you can do that without having to tell us, don't you?

[pritch]

So here we are again despite multiple occasions where you have had the opportunity to back up your posts with evidence.


These moving corpses seem kinda like the muslims Trump saw dancing in New York when the WTC came down.

[husaberg]

These moving corpses

Isn't it odd that we are over a week later and old karen still can't post a single video of what he claimed to see...
Well its isn't odd, if he was talking shit, as per usual.
Nor is it odd for him not t admit he was wrong about it either....



And I remember seeing footage of hundreds of sheet covered corpses too.
It was particularly amusing to spot the corpses who forgot to lie still though.



If this occurred it would be very easy for you to post these videos then?.......

I was just thinking the same! Watch for the "Do your homework cuz I ain't got nuthin" reply ;)

How is your search for video of dancing corpses coming along?
So you have found this video of what you claimed were ''crisis actors'' ''pretending'' to be COVID corpes to show us all now?...

So exactly were in the videos is the actors under the sheets pretending to be ''covid corpses'' you have claimed to have seen?
or was that just another one of you imaginary stories where you make a claim but have no evidence at all.
Then to divert attention you try to change the subject. with multiple posts.

Are these the poorly trained crisis actors that could not stay still under the sheets?

[jellywrestler]

Isn't it odd that we are over a week later and old karen still can't post a single video of what he claimed to see...
Well its isn't odd, if he was talking shit, as per usual.
Nor is it odd for him not t admit he was wrong about it either....

Odd. fucked if i can easily find a newsclip or video from 6 years ago at the drop of the hat, or for weeks, the internaughty is a big place,

Can you?

[husaberg]

Odd. fucked if i can easily find a newsclip or video from 6 years ago at the drop of the hat, or for weeks, the internaughty is a big place,

Can you?

But Karen is not saying gosh i can t find them, he is instead ignoring he said it in the first place as he now can't admit he was wrong as his ego is extremely fragile.

As for finding them well Yes, quite easily i found what he was apparently referring to there were four clips widely circulated on conspiracy sites.
One was a training video, one was a Russian music video and one was a clip of people in chine sleeping under blankets in the streets as they were not allowed to go home. one was alex wind
They were well known hoaxes. One mans hoax is another mans evidence of how gullible conspiracy theorist like Karen are.
https://www.ibtimes.sg/man-emerges-body-bag-during-live-news-broadcast-fuels-covid-crisis-actor-conspiracy-theory-video-62771
https://www.altnews.in/filming-of-russian-music-video-viral-with-hoax-claim-that-covid-is-a-conspiracy/
https://edmo.eu/publications/died-suddenly-yet-another-conspiracy-video-about-covid-19-vaccines-reigniting-disinformation-with-the-same-old-
hoaxes/#:~:text=Conclusion,couple%20of%20months%20and%20y ears.https://perma.cc/747H-GS45?type=image (https://edmo.eu/publications/died-suddenly-yet-another-conspiracy-video-about-covid-19-vaccines-reigniting-disinformation-with-the-same-old-hoaxes/#:~:text=Conclusion,couple%20of%20months%20and%20y ears.https://perma.cc/747H-GS45?type=image)
https://factcheck.afp.com/video-shows-people-sleeping-rough-chinese-city-shenzhen

[jellywrestler]

But Karen is not saying gosh i can t find them, he is instead ignoring he said it in the first place as he now can't admit he was wrong as his ego is extremely fragile.

As for finding them well Yes, quite easily i found what he was apparently referring to there were four clips widely circulated on conspiracy sites.
One was a training video, one was a Russian music video and one was a clip of people in chine sleeping under blankets in the streets as they were not allowed to go home. one was alex wind
They were well know hoaxes. One mans hoax is another mans evidence of how gullible conspiracy theorist like Karen are.
https://www.ibtimes.sg/man-emerges-body-bag-during-live-news-broadcast-fuels-covid-crisis-actor-conspiracy-theory-video-62771
https://www.altnews.in/filming-of-russian-music-video-viral-with-hoax-claim-that-covid-is-a-conspiracy/
https://edmo.eu/publications/died-suddenly-yet-another-conspiracy-video-about-covid-19-vaccines-reigniting-disinformation-with-the-same-old-
hoaxes/#:~:text=Conclusion,couple%20of%20months%20and%20y ears.https://perma.cc/747H-GS45?type=image (https://edmo.eu/publications/died-suddenly-yet-another-conspiracy-video-about-covid-19-vaccines-reigniting-disinformation-with-the-same-old-hoaxes/#:~:text=Conclusion,couple%20of%20months%20and%20y ears.https://perma.cc/747H-GS45?type=image)
https://factcheck.afp.com/video-shows-people-sleeping-rough-chinese-city-shenzhen

sounds like you guys should get a flagon of baby oil, a bouncy castle and start an Onlyfans account

[Berries]

sounds like you guys should get a flagon of baby oil, a bouncy castle and start an Onlyfans account
[Subscribed].


:shit:

[SaferRides]

I'm thinking of getting a TDAP update .

Perhaps I should ask some low intelligence bleeders on the Internet what they think.

Or trust some scientists would actually study efficacy of results. But then again they are probably getting rich from being in the pocket of big pharma. You see them driving around in Mercedes.

If you don't hear from me again I'm one of the countless millions who died minutes after injection.

Usually 30 min after. They keep you 20 min so it gives you 10min to get far enough away from the scene of the crime so they don't get implicated.
:tugger:

Oh yeah. [Unsubscribe]Had to look that up. I had one a couple of years ago after I was bitten by a dog. You'll be fine.

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[SaferRides]

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[SaferRides]

French study on 28 million people

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41343214/

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(22)00135-1/fulltext

https://bmjpublichealth.bmj.com/content/bmjph/3/1/e001836.full.pdfFirst paper is interesting. "Sensitivity analysis revealed that vaccinated individuals consistently had a lower risk of death, regardless of the cause."

No discussion of why? Probably some difference between the groups that wasn't allowed for, or maybe it's real. I hope this study will be repeated in other countries.

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[Katman]

https://www.jpands.org/vol30no4/kunadhasan.pdf?utm_content=361095286&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-100847035689775

[SaferRides]

https://www.jpands.org/vol30no4/kunadhasan.pdf?utm_content=361095286&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&hss_channel=fbp-100847035689775Where was this published?

Anyway, yeah, nah. It was an emergency and corners were cut. You do wonder what people obviously at risk from preexisting conditions were doing in a vaccine trial though, especially during lockdown situations.

Covering up the myocarditis risk should not have happened, and those deaths could have been avoided.

But all drug trials are fundamentaly flawed as they should be carried out independently, not by the drug company.


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[Katman]

Where was this published?

Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.

[Katman]

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/breaking-peer-reviewed-reanalysis?r=1yq092&triedRedirect=true

[husaberg]

Where was this published?

Anyway, yeah, nah. It was an emergency and corners were cut. You do wonder what people obviously at risk from preexisting conditions were doing in a vaccine trial though, especially during lockdown situations.

Covering up the myocarditis risk should not have happened, and those deaths could have been avoided.

But all drug trials are fundamentaly flawed as they should be carried out independently, not by the drug company.


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Have a look at the creditials of the authors. Dig a little deeper and see what they really are.

[SaferRides]

Have a look at the creditials of the authors. Dig a little deeper and see what they really are.You just have to look at the reference list... Anyway, I await the reply with interest.

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[mashman]

No discussion of why? Probably some difference between the groups that wasn't allowed for, or maybe it's real. I hope this study will be repeated in other countries.

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Could be. Then again, the vaccine wasn't designed to do anything other than prevent covid. On that basis: MRNA tech does not work as expected/tested. T'would seem like a worthy talking point given the evidence to date.

[sugilite]

Have a look at the creditials of the authors. Dig a little deeper and see what they really are.

The very same "authors" have spelling issues too - as they seem to think a peer review is something that only happens when buying fruit in the produce department at the local supermarket.

[SaferRides]

Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons.LoL, from Wikipedia:

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, climate change denial, the abortion–breast cancer hypothesis, and vaccine and autism connections, through its official publication, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a legitimate scientific journal. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care. The group has included notable members, including American Republican politicians Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Tom Price.[3]

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[SaferRides]

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/breaking-peer-reviewed-reanalysis?r=1yq092&triedRedirect=true

This is a rant, not a paper.

I read the (unpublished) Lamerato et al paper after the Senate hearing, and it appeared that the differences between the cohorts may have been a reason for the differences. It seems I wasn't the only one. https://www.henryford.com/news/2025/09/henry-ford-health-vaccine-study-fact-check

Anyway, I'll leave you all in peace for a while. Merry Christmas!

[Katman]

LoL, from Wikipedia:

You do know that Wikipedia can be edited by any old retard, don't you?

[husaberg]

The very same "authors" have spelling issues too - as they seem to think a peer review is something that only happens when buying fruit in the produce department at the local supermarket.


This is a rant, not a paper.

I read the (unpublished) Lamerato et al paper after the Congressional hearing, and it appeared that the differences between the cohorts may have been a reason for the differences. It seems I wasn't the only one. https://www.henryford.com/news/2025/09/henry-ford-health-vaccine-study-fact-check

Anyway, I'll leave you all in peace for a while. Merry Christmas!

here are the deaths in the pacebo section of the trial.
looks like the only smoking gun was from taupo Steve chaffing his lips on some conspiracy sites cock.LOL
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[Katman]

here are the deaths in the pacebo section of the trial LOL


That's a weird thing to have a lol about.

[husaberg]

LoL, from Wikipedia:

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes conspiracy theories and medical misinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, climate change denial, the abortion–breast cancer hypothesis, and vaccine and autism connections, through its official publication, the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a legitimate scientific journal. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care. The group has included notable members, including American Republican politicians Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Tom Price.[3]

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The Association of "American Physicians and Surgeons" .... odd that neither of authors meet this description.......

[F5 Dave]

Association of the Analy Probed Alien Abducted Americans .

Sure.

PS the AAPAAA.

[SaferRides]

You do know that Wikipedia can be edited by any old retard, don't you?Yes, but it is moderated.

Do you think that information is incorrect?

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[Katman]

Do you think that information is incorrect?

Sounds like it's been written by a berk.

[husaberg]

Sounds like it's been written by a berk.
Narcissistic deflection and projection at the same time .....its not really going very well for you is it Steve?
Don't think we all haven't noticed you struggle to ever back up any claim your posts and links, this makes it a real tour de force that highlights your lack of any real intelligence or insight.
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How about you explain to us why in the trial your own link referred to as "proof" the vaccine was causing heart attacks
Because if it was the vaccine causing heart damage, why did more people died on heart attacks in the placebo group?
But yeah no one expects you to be able to do this, as based on all your other posts, you will just add a few insults and post some more garbage.
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[F5 Dave]

Maybe the placebo was another vaccine. Dum-dum-dummmm.

Im doing a bbq in this glorious sun. Keep having to put the wet food tongs on a surface. Be nice if I could just stick them to my chest. Thought the vaccine was supposed to do that? Oh. That's rejected as just being silly now, but we've doubled down on other equally disproved ideas?
Right.

[flyingcrocodile46]

HIGH ALERT! If you got a Covid shot you need to see what they're trying to hide from you | Redacted


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlI4gd39xfM

[husaberg]

HIGH ALERT! If you got a Covid shot you need to see what they're trying to hide from you | Redacted


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlI4gd39xfM

same source lol....you really are a oxygen thief

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZle-PYmoQE
https://youtu.be/U06GkT6mx04

[flyingcrocodile46]

same source lol you really are a oxygen theif

They didn't write the scripts for the senate inquiries that are featured in the video. I posted this so that honest people can watch and learn how critical thinkers push past the dishonest gaslighters like you, whose sole focus is to obfuscate reality whenever anybody exposes it to real daylight in venues such as senate and congressional hearings where the real nitty gritty of the lies and failures reveal that tens of thousands (rather than dozens) of people have been killed by the vaccines themselves. Many of them on the same day or within two days.

If it wasn't true, gaslighters like you wouldn't have to constantly scramble to hide or discredit it whenever it's revealed.

[husaberg]

They didn't write the scripts for the senate inquiries that are featured in the video. I posted this so that honest people can watch and learn how critical thinkers push past the dishonest gaslighters like you, whose sole focus is to obfuscate reality whenever anybody exposes it to real daylight in venues such as senate and congressional hearings where the real nitty gritty of the lies and failures reveal that tens of thousands (rather than dozens) of people have been killed by the vaccines themselves. Many of them on the same day or within two days.

If it wasn't true, gaslighters like you wouldn't have to constantly scramble to hide or discredit it whenever it's revealed.
Scripts funny. So Alex Jones, in your mind who is acting and need lines?
Go on tell us more about the alien abductions ufo stuff this exact youtube channel also covers.

Or do you not believe what they put up on their videos?

Anyway here in reality, where no on is scrambling to make you and Stevo look foolish, as you do that yourselves.
Where no individual is gaslighting you as you are both getting high on your own supply of narcissistic ignorance
here is the deaths we expect to see from natural and unnatural causes related to simple age between 18 and unlimited age per 100,000 people .
Thgis is less then the death rates that were in the trial you cretin.
you are adding death as vaccine and totally incorrectly attributing all their deaths to the vaccine , this takes a special kind of stupid seen only before with Stevo and Yokel astigtr
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[SaferRides]

Deleted post.

[SaferRides]

HIGH ALERT! If you got a Covid shot you need to see what they're trying to hide from you | Redacted


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlI4gd39xfM
Maybe he should fact check next time. This took 1 minute of watching the vid and a few seconds searching.

Honestly, it's not difficult to understand. Take a minute and read it.

From Gemini:
"Reports of deaths following COVID-19 vaccination are submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), but these reports alone cannot establish a causal link between the vaccine and the death. VAERS is a passive surveillance system designed to detect potential safety signals, not to determine causation.
Understanding VAERS Data
Anyone can report: VAERS accepts reports from anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, and family members. Reports are accepted regardless of whether the reporter believes the vaccine caused the adverse event.
Reports are unverified: The information in a VAERS report is not analyzed for accuracy at the time of submission and may contain incomplete, inaccurate, or coincidental information.
Healthcare providers are required to report: For COVID-19 vaccines, healthcare providers are legally required to report any death after vaccination to VAERS, even if they do not think the vaccine was the cause.
Background mortality rate: Many deaths reported to VAERS are due to coincidental health issues, especially given that older and more frail populations were prioritized for early vaccination. Studies comparing observed death reporting rates to expected all-cause death rates in the general population found that the observed rates were lower than the expected background mortality rates.
Causal Association
When a potential safety signal (like a cluster of a specific type of death) is identified in VAERS, the CDC and FDA conduct further investigations using more robust systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink and the FDA's BEST system, which can better assess causality.
Through these rigorous scientific investigations, only a few rare adverse events have been found to have a causal association with COVID-19 vaccines:
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS): A rare type of blood clotting with low platelets, causally associated with the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen (viral vector) vaccine.
Myocarditis and pericarditis: Inflammation of the heart muscle and lining, which is a rare but real risk primarily after receiving mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), particularly in adolescent and young adult males. Most patients responded well to treatment and rest.
Anaphylaxis: A severe allergic reaction that is rare and treatable, typically occurring within 30 minutes of vaccination.
Overall, multiple studies and reviews of data have consistently shown that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination in preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death from the virus far outweigh the potential risks of rare adverse events.
For official data and more information, you can visit the official VAERS website or the CDC's page on vaccine safety. "

[flyingcrocodile46]

Scripts funny. So Alex Jones, in your mind who is acting and need lines?
Go on tell us more about the alien abductions ufo stuff this exact youtube channel also covers.

Or do you not believe what they put up on their videos?

Anyway here in reality, where no on is scrambling to make you and Stevo look foolish, as you do that yourselves.
Where no individual is gaslighting you as you are both getting high on your own supply of narcissistic ignorance
here is the deaths we expect to see from natural and unnatural causes related to simple age between 18 and unlimited


You excel at feigning moronicity to obscure the clearly stated fact that I was referencing the senate hearings (not the players who carried the ball). The level of your dishonesty is at least equal to that of politicians like Chris Shitkins.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Maybe he should fact check next time. This took 1 minute of watching the vid and a few seconds searching.

Honestly, it's not difficult to understand. Take a minute and read it.

From Gemini:
"Reports of deaths following COVID-19 vaccination are submitted to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), but these reports alone cannot establish a causal link between the vaccine and the death. VAERS is a passive surveillance system designed to detect potential safety signals, not to determine causation.
Understanding VAERS Data
Anyone can report: VAERS accepts reports from anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, and family members. Reports are accepted regardless of whether the reporter believes the vaccine caused the adverse event.
Reports are unverified: The information in a VAERS report is not analyzed for accuracy at the time of submission and may contain incomplete, inaccurate, or coincidental information.
Healthcare providers are required to report: For COVID-19 vaccines, healthcare providers are legally required to report any death after vaccination to VAERS, even if they do not think the vaccine was the cause.
Background mortality rate: Many deaths reported to VAERS are due to coincidental health issues, especially given that older and more frail populations were prioritized for early vaccination. Studies comparing observed death reporting rates to expected all-cause death rates in the general population found that the observed rates were lower than the expected background mortality rates.
Causal Association
When a potential safety signal (like a cluster of a specific type of death) is identified in VAERS, the CDC and FDA conduct further investigations using more robust systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink and the FDA's BEST system, which can better assess causality.
Through these rigorous scientific investigations, only a few rare adverse events have been found to have a causal association with COVID-19 vaccines:
Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS): A rare type of blood clotting with low platelets, causally associated with the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen (viral vector) vaccine.
Myocarditis and pericarditis: Inflammation of the heart muscle and lining, which is a rare but real risk primarily after receiving mRNA vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna), particularly in adolescent and young adult males. Most patients responded well to treatment and rest.
Anaphylaxis: A severe allergic reaction that is rare and treatable, typically occurring within 30 minutes of vaccination.
Overall, multiple studies and reviews of data have consistently shown that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination in preventing severe illness, hospitalization, and death from the virus far outweigh the potential risks of rare adverse events.
For official data and more information, you can visit the official VAERS website or the CDC's page on vaccine safety. "

Aside from the fact that you completely gloss over and fail to address the thousands who died the same day (or two) of receiving the vaccination shot.
You have demonstrated a level of analysis and skepticism that you and 90+% of the population flat out refused to apply to the govt and pharma lies that frankly defied logic and common sense. Face it, you are simply in denial of your decision to inject yourself with an unapproved (but subsequently proven non effective on every level) vaccine that isn't even a vaccine. Sucks to be you.

[flyingcrocodile46]

You girls need to get an education about how modern science really works (rather than the ideal scientific standards that you tout as being in play). Listen to how this genuine scientist tells you about how money and institutional bias determines what you are told is "the science" :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0InjvwBXTg

[husaberg]

You girls need to get an education about how modern science really works (rather than the ideal scientific standards that you tout as being in play). Listen to how this genuine scientist tells you about how money and institutional bias determines what you are told is "the science" :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0InjvwBXTg
Odd your scientific expert looks a lot like this religious zelot, shares the exact same name, as well.....:whistle:

HIs own Words


I am trying to reach the masses. And there is something called social medium that is allowing me to reach the masses that never read the primary literature.
I am trying to show the masses that there is another way of looking at this data. I am going after the people that do not read the scientific literature. That to me is what I want to do. Just so that you know, I’m not a YouTube guy like this

https://youtu.be/V5nYII71qJM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRBhDnqOK9E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q712IFXLmxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0p6igs5rxo

[SaferRides]

Aside from the fact that you completely gloss over and fail to address the thousands who died the same day (or two) of receiving the vaccination shot.
You have demonstrated a level of analysis and skepticism that you and 90+% of the population flat out refused to apply to the govt and pharma lies that frankly defied logic and common sense. Face it, you are simply in denial of your decision to inject yourself with an unapproved (but subsequently proven non effective on every level) vaccine that isn't even a vaccine. Sucks to be you.I'm happy and content, thanks.

I'd be interested in any real evidence to support your claims, but you and your mate don't seem to have any.

Merry Christmas!



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[flyingcrocodile46]

https://abs-0.twimg.com/emoji/v2/svg/1f4a5.svgBREAKING - THIS IS BIG:
Catherine Austin Fitts provides bombshell testimony to a court in the Netherlands, who have agreed to hear what may be one of the largest and most important landmark legal cases in recent history. The lawsuit alleges crimes perpetrated worldwide by prominent global figures. *As with @KarlDHarrison (https://x.com/KarlDHarrison)
and I's landmark Vaccine Travel Mandates lawsuit, MSM are not covering this, so be sure to repost & share this information widely. "Attorney Peter Stassen has filed a lawsuit alleging that prominent global figures tied to pandemic-era policy and pharmaceutical decision-making committed crimes against humanity. According to court filings, the lawsuit targets what Stassen describes as the architects of “The Great Reset,” naming Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates, Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, and Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla as defendants. The case asserts that decisions surrounding COVID-19 policy, pharmaceutical deployment, and global coordination resulted in widespread harm. As part of the legal record, Stassen has entered testimony from multiple experts and researchers, including Sasha Latypova, Catherine Austin Fitts, Dr. Joseph Sansone, Dr. Michael Yeadon, and legal analyst Katherine Watt. According to the lawsuit, the testimony presented outlines allegations of systemic misconduct, including the suppression of dissenting scientific views, coercive vaccination strategies, and the alleged concealment of long-term health risks. The filing characterizes these actions as violations of international law, asserting that they rise to the level of crimes against humanity due to the scale and scope of the alleged harm."More information on the case here: https://rechtoprecht.online (https://t.co/khuZBuLc7g)

[Katman]

Nothing says "trust the science" quite like trying to hide the data.

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/health-canada-seals-vaccine-injury-records-for-15-years/70851?fbclid=IwY2xjawPukNdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETF SYnFESkk4OU1SZkFDUkluc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4O DIwMDg5MgABHjExsZGRo8Nlx274ic3CD8AJQUEtB-MwkBlsmtjZwGtqnxpcYKozCYapD1ut_aem_yffBVGeixYszQSs tFuF6oA

[jellywrestler]

Nothing says "trust the science" quite like trying to hide the data.

https://www.westernstandard.news/news/health-canada-seals-vaccine-injury-records-for-15-years/70851?fbclid=IwY2xjawPukNdleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETF SYnFESkk4OU1SZkFDUkluc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4O DIwMDg5MgABHjExsZGRo8Nlx274ic3CD8AJQUEtB-MwkBlsmtjZwGtqnxpcYKozCYapD1ut_aem_yffBVGeixYszQSs tFuF6oA

Lucky you, here's your chance to publish them and finally make that name for yourself you so desperately want.
No doubt you have them on one of your hard drives?

[Katman]

https://nzdsos.com/2026/02/04/breaking-research-decodes-the-mystery-of-the-rubbery-white-clots/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=weekly-sos-2026-02-10&utm_medium=email

[husaberg]

https://nzdsos.com/2026/02/04/breaking-research-decodes-the-mystery-of-the-rubbery-white-clots/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_campaign=weekly-sos-2026-02-10&utm_medium=email

Bruce Rapley, a Massey graduate and noise consultant. Dr Rapley stirred controversy in 2015 when he told a Senate inquiry "the adverse health effects of wind turbines will eclipse the asbestos problem". He also likened the wind industry's tactics to Adolf Hitler. https://www.smh.com.au/environment/researchers-under-scrutiny-after-noise-experiment-prompts-violent-reaction-20171110-gzihnl.html
Then we have .....


The Medical Council has outlined some of a doctor’s speeches with misinformation about the Covid-19 vaccines - including that it contains microscopic self assembling components of a microchip.


Wellington’s Matthew Shelton

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/127872514/covid-vaccine-misinformation-from-wellington-doctors-online-speeches-outlined-to-judge

[Katman]

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[F5 Dave]

I can't read the ignore but I'll paraphrase what was written.

Quote dogman:
Despite being a shopkeeper in Taupo I think im smarter than an actual Scientist.

Sure you are dearest. Sure you are.

:laugh:

[Katman]

https://rtmag.co.il/english/breaking-the-israeli-ministry-of-health-has-been-warned-it-might-open-itself-to-lawsuits-for-encouraging-the-public-to-get-vaccinated-while-claiming-that-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-safe,-and-that-side-effects-are-mild-and-transient?fbclid=IwY2xjawQQZPNleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicml kETE1Q0RsZUV4clY1ZE1nN3Jhc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5M Tc4ODIwMDg5MgABHqzsBh3q7OKafEv-OQbIGenNz6EJn57nJmW_X3YkCsqzYya4vSiDK7PMcCLj_aem_E LQVJX6L1UGU9YH6hNCgow

[Katman]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-07/cancer-diagnosis-rates-under-50s-rising-causes-four-corners/105495620?fbclid=IwY2xjawQSBXVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnR jBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeMzDPUWSwvQ2uJ 4xXKmQ_nxGDPJqYiF5HuuFEh3LGQVwaa4caeLzio0pKYu8_aem _c0wkfIrClsvD0C8bXxxi-w

[Moise]

The bowel cancer increases started way before Covid. Don’t you even read what you post?

I’m with RFK on this one, it’s probably all the UPF fed to children for the last 50 years.


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[Katman]

Don’t you even read what you post?

Yes I do.

The article also says this.....


Between 2000 and 2024 — in 30 to 39-year-olds — early onset prostate cancer increased by 500 per cent, pancreatic cancer by 200 per cent, liver cancer by 150 per cent, uterine cancer by 138 per cent and kidney cancer by 85 per cent.

[pritch]

Outstanding.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kho5KvPBDSw

https://youtu.be/4FGnb2lgPBA
:msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink::msn-wink:

[SaferRides]

Yes I do.

The article also says this.....Your point is?

Data is often presented in 5-year blocks. They didn't choose 2020 because it was the year of the covid outbreak

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[Katman]

Data is often presented in 5-year blocks.

Maths clearly isn't your strong point.

[Dean]

You’re doing the lords work Katman