Jacinda

[TheDemonLord]

Facebook and Youtube lead many astray, their algorithms lead people down rabbit holes. You look at a clip showing negaitve comment on racial unrest, a couple of days later you're looking at Klan gatherings or militia activity or whatever. Then you can go to 4Chan, 8Chan, or Telegram and be lost to the real world.


Does that not work both ways?

Furthermore, if it does work both ways, does the Companies declared biases not also have an effect?

[R650R]

I'd consider him more an undescriminating receiver of misinformation. Unable to distinguish fact from fallacy. Similar to TDL but less insistent with it.

Facebook and Youtube lead many astray, their algorithms lead people down rabbit holes. You look at a clip showing negaitve comment on racial unrest, a couple of days later you're looking at Klan gatherings or militia activity or whatever. Then you can go to 4Chan, 8Chan, or Telegram and be lost to the real world. Just like the demented fuckwits who turned up at Dealey Plaza, where JFK was assasinated, to see the return of JFK Jr yesterday, and to scream out that the moon landings never happened and any other insane shit that came to them.

There is a clip has received recent publicity, it's a chat between two Q adherents. One is explaining how both General Patton and Benito Musselini were decended from Abraham Lincoln. It's sorta complicated but Trump is General Patton's son so he is a cousin of the Kennedy's as is General Michael Flynn. "It's all about the bloodlines."

Here we are: The first 2.30 or so covers the bloodlines but the next few minutes deal with the crowd that turned out to see JFK Jr return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7SFcKsk-0o

Here we go again with your little keyboard squad promoting the fake conspiracy theorists that are govt/intel/elite operations designed to discredit and control information.

Alex Jones, Qanon, Anonymous, Wikileaks et al are all poisoned wells on controlled misinformation.
You lot never mention the names of any of the accurate researchers.
You will never come across anything said by those above that is not already public information with a little easy digging.

As for the JFK junior thing the real conspiracy is about who’s actually shot him. What you talk about is not mentioned on reputable conspiracy sites it’s just fake news designed to discredit.

[pritch]

As for the JFK junior thing the real conspiracy is about who’s actually shot him.

Somebody shot JFK Jr? I thought he died in a 'plane crash. The Q fuckwits think Hillary did it, but that's another story. Or is it that are you launching a new conspiracy?

[Scuba_Steve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNN8KaGZaP8

[Laava]

Somebody shot JFK Jr? I thought he died in a 'plane crash. The Q fuckwits think Hillary did it, but that's another story. Or is it that are you launching a new conspiracy?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I guess, if you're a gullible conspiracy theory junkie, that everything has the potential for you to find a conspiracy theory in and that facts, at that point, are superfluous.

[F5 Dave]

Here we go again with your little keyboard squad promoting the fake conspiracy theorists that are govt/intel/elite operations designed to discredit and control information.

Alex Jones, Qanon, Anonymous, Wikileaks et al are all poisoned wells on controlled misinformation.
You lot never mention the names of any of the accurate researchers.
You will never come across anything said by those above that is not already public information with a little easy digging.

As for the JFK junior thing the real conspiracy is about who’s actually shot him. What you talk about is not mentioned on reputable conspiracy sites it’s just fake news designed to discredit.

Jesus fuking Krist you are delusional. Did that come from too much NoDoze and altered log books?

[R650R]

Oh dear looks like the SIngle Source of Truth Fact checker goddess just got Fact checked... how you gonna dig out this one Jackie girl?????

https://i.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300447300/covid19-more-pkeh-are-unvaccinated-but-mori-are-being-stigmatised

Btw that’s not an autocorrect fail in the paste above, don’t think I’ve seen before but looks like someone at fluff news is typing headline links in txt speak. Someone will earn a spanking over that from the pc brigade for that second missing a.....

Anyways aside from the govt shouldn’t be shaming vaccine rates on any race based data as said in another post what’s interesting here is selective use of statistics. While they are over represented in jail on a percentage basis and that data is used to back a variety of grievances apparently being under represented in vaccine stats on a percentage basis is ok because on a pure numbers base more pakeha are actually unvaccinated.

This has to be the best example ever how statistics are manipulated for political causes.

[James Deuce]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good race-based stigmatisation.

[pritch]

This passage from The Stuff article justifies a focus on Maori:

"In terms of population percentage, Māori have had a slower uptake, Baker said. Pākehā were 11.4 percentage points off reaching 100 per cent, compared to Māori who were 27.7 percentage points off, the Ministry of Health figures showed".

It's understood that the final few in the percentages will be difficult to reach. People like that guy in Greymouth who attacked a cameraman would rather die than do anything intelligent.

[TheDemonLord]

Don't let facts get in the way of a good race-based stigmatisation.


This passage from The Stuff article justifies a focus on Maori:

So, which is it?

Can we be racist or not?

[pete376403]

So, which is it?

Can we be racist or not?

A focus on a problem area is not racist. The people who are the problem identify themselves as a particular "race' (not that there is such a thing, only minor differences in DNA - see "The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea" is a book by anthropologist Robert Wald Sussman arguing that race is not, and never has been, a valid biological category in humans. It was published in 2014 by Harvard University Press.

[TheDemonLord]

A focus on a problem area is not racist.

Completely agree - and there are a myriad of ways we could do that without once bringing up Race.

The question is - are you allowed to do so, on the Basis of Race?


The people who are the problem identify themselves as a particular "race'

Oh Man, we could have some fun with Gangsta Rap Lyrics...

And this leads to the second problem: If people are self-identifying as a particular Race, are we allowed to refer to them (both positively AND negatively) as such?


not that there is such a thing, only minor differences in DNA - see "The Myth of Race: The Troubling Persistence of an Unscientific Idea" is a book by anthropologist Robert Wald Sussman arguing that race is not, and never has been, a valid biological category in humans. It was published in 2014 by Harvard University Press.

Eh, He's a Social Constructionist - which means he's wrong on just about everything... In fact, I'll just leave this (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-349-24669-4_2) here

And just because it's written in a book, doesn't mean it's true.

But back to Race - we know that certain areas have a number of Genetic differences, some of those we can see with our eyes, some we can't.

Whilst there's a fair point to say that the arbitrary way that Race was initially conceived may be unscientific - pointing out differences in genetic markers between say the Sub-Saharan Africans and the Egyptian Africans or to the Celts (aka Gingers) and Blond hair/Blue eyes in the UK, you can immediately see that there are fairly distinctive traits that are associated with people from specific geographic regions.

Now, obvious Caveat - just because people are different, doesn't mean they should be treated differently by the Law or the State for the most part.

The only exception being when some of those Genetic differences have Health consequences (such as higher risks of Cancer or hereditary/genetic diseases)

[Laava]

People like that guy in Greymouth who attacked a cameraman would rather die than do anything intelligent.
Can you please state his ethnicity so I can be properly angry?

[pritch]

Can you please state his ethnicity so I can be properly angry?

You decide.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2021/11/06/1news-cameraman-attacked-by-west-coast-anti-vaccine-protesters/

[pete376403]

Completely agree - and there are a myriad of ways we could do that without once bringing up Race.

The question is - are you allowed to do so, on the Basis of Race?

But back to Race - we know that certain areas have a number of Genetic differences, some of those we can see with our eyes, some we can't.

Now, obvious Caveat - just because people are different, doesn't mean they should be treated differently by the Law or the State for the most part.

The only exception being when some of those Genetic differences have Health consequences (such as higher risks of Cancer or hereditary/genetic diseases)

What? You are now saying that the Law / State DOES have the right to enforce medical treatment on some people? What happened to their unalienable right to freedom of choice, regardless of outcome?

[James Deuce]

Completely agree - and there are a myriad of ways we could do that without once bringing up Race.

The question is - are you allowed to do so, on the Basis of Race?



Oh Man, we could have some fun with Gangsta Rap Lyrics...

And this leads to the second problem: If people are self-identifying as a particular Race, are we allowed to refer to them (both positively AND negatively) as such?



Eh, He's a Social Constructionist - which means he's wrong on just about everything... In fact, I'll just leave this (https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-1-349-24669-4_2) here

And just because it's written in a book, doesn't mean it's true.

But back to Race - we know that certain areas have a number of Genetic differences, some of those we can see with our eyes, some we can't.

Whilst there's a fair point to say that the arbitrary way that Race was initially conceived may be unscientific - pointing out differences in genetic markers between say the Sub-Saharan Africans and the Egyptian Africans or to the Celts (aka Gingers) and Blond hair/Blue eyes in the UK, you can immediately see that there are fairly distinctive traits that are associated with people from specific geographic regions.

Now, obvious Caveat - just because people are different, doesn't mean they should be treated differently by the Law or the State for the most part.

The only exception being when some of those Genetic differences have Health consequences (such as higher risks of Cancer or hereditary/genetic diseases)

That was a long winded way to say you support eugenics.

[husaberg]

l
Are you talking about Jacinta or the person on the sidelines.
Anyone heard anything from the rest of the Labour party recently.....I do hope they are ok......blink twice if you are in trouble.....Thre
Blink..... Nationals leader is on life support and the deputy leader is on suicide watch.ffs


The first was from Talbot Mills Research, formerly known as UMR, which had ACT on 16 per cent, up three points from its September poll and just six points behind the National Party on 22 per cent. Further signs of a tipping point being reached could also be found in this poll’s preferred prime minister ratings: ACT leader David Seymour was on 16 per cent, seven points ahead of National’s leader Judith Collins.

Three successive polls have shown that, if National was a plane with Judith Collins as pilot, it would be of the kamikaze variety, with smoke coming out of its tail as it sharply plummeted towards the ground, and right-wing voters increasingly preferring Seymour as their pilot. In this month’s Curia poll, of voters who voted for National in 2020, only 17.7 per cent preferred Collins as their PM, while a staggering 25.1 per cent want Seymour.

[TheDemonLord]

What? You are now saying that the Law / State DOES have the right to enforce medical treatment on some people? What happened to their unalienable right to freedom of choice, regardless of outcome?

No, not at all.

Individual still has the right to choose, however if you have 2 groups, one of which has a genetic risk to certain diseases, in that instance - it is right and proper that they receive different levels treatment from the State on the basis of their race, that is predicated on that higher risk factor.

Or to use a different example - Women of a certain age need to get more regular tests due to their higher risk of things like Cervical Cancer - same principle:

Higher risk = higher priority.

At no point can the state enforce any treatment on anyone - but it can offer a higher level of care based on a higher level of risk.

[TheDemonLord]

That was a long winded way to say you support eugenics.

No, I clearly don't.

Saying that there are genetic differences between distinct groups of people as an observable fact and reality is not the same as saying that we should treat them differently because of it - with the single caveat to that being Medical issues where Genetics plays a factor.

[Swoop]

Fucking idiot heckler. Maori are now the most unvaccinated group in the country. How long before they start bleating that Covid is a white conspiracy to eliminate the tangata whenua?

The best approach is to remove ALL restrictions in NZ.

If the unvaccinated plague-rats get infected and die, no problems there since they clearly say their immune systems will deal with the virus.
It really would become proper Gene-O-Clean for all of New Zealand's unintelligentsia.

[neels]

The best approach is to remove ALL restrictions in NZ.

If the unvaccinated plague-rats get infected and die, no problems there since they clearly say their immune systems will deal with the virus.
It really would become proper Gene-O-Clean for all of New Zealand's unintelligentsia.
I suspect a lot of people would be happy with that approach.

It seems the main concern is that the plague rats would still turn up at the hospital wanting treatment, and the health system doesn't have the capacity to deal with a widespread outbreak and the associated high hospitalisation rates and ICU care.

Of course there could be a vaccine passport requirement for covid treatment, if you have a non-covid medical issue we'll look after you, if you have covid you chose your path and are on your own....

[Scuba_Steve]

I suspect a lot of people would be happy with that approach.

It seems the main concern is that the plague rats would still turn up at the hospital wanting treatment, and the health system doesn't have the capacity to deal with a widespread outbreak and the associated high hospitalisation rates and ICU care.

Of course there could be a vaccine passport requirement for covid treatment, if you have a non-covid medical issue we'll look after you, if you have covid you chose your path and are on your own....

But then I say those with the passport should be rejected.
Bit greedy getting protection then wanting to take up a bed too, a bed better used for for someone with a collapsed lung or heart problems

The bigger problem here tho is our health system should be able to cope with the few that need it
Instead of blaming vaxxers/anti-vaxxers we should be blaming MP's/Govt. It's their fault the health system can't handle a small increase in patients, it should never be running at almost 100% load

[TheDemonLord]

I suspect a lot of people would be happy with that approach.

It seems the main concern is that the plague rats would still turn up at the hospital wanting treatment, and the health system doesn't have the capacity to deal with a widespread outbreak and the associated high hospitalisation rates and ICU care.

Of course there could be a vaccine passport requirement for covid treatment, if you have a non-covid medical issue we'll look after you, if you have covid you chose your path and are on your own....

Cannot agree, That's one of the virtues of the Public Health system, we don't treat people in reference to their decisions that caused them to end up there.

What you'd end up with is a private healthcare system, whereby you'd pay a premium for doing risky activities.

[nerrrd]

But then I say those with the passport should be rejected.
Bit greedy getting protection then wanting to take up a bed too, a bed better used for for someone with a collapsed lung or heart problems

The bigger problem here tho is our health system should be able to cope with the few that need it
Instead of blaming vaxxers/anti-vaxxers we should be blaming MP's/Govt. It's their fault the health system can't handle a small increase in patients, it should never be running at almost 100% load

If you've ever voted National, Labour, Act or any other post 1984 political party in NZ based on the premise that "less tax is better" and "business always knows best" then we're all at fault.

It's a bit rich blaming MPs for not funding a better medical system when the vast majority of voters don't want to pay for it.

[Scuba_Steve]

If you've ever voted National, Labour, Act or any other post 1984 political party in NZ based on the premise that "less tax is better" and "business always knows best" then we're all at fault.

It's a bit rich blaming MPs for not funding a better medical system when the vast majority of voters don't want to pay for it.

I disagree, I think most tax payers are happy paying for it, what we don't want to pay for is the private healthcare the MP's get, the "pay for life" kickback they get for not working, the overpriced emergency housing, 10 people to do 1 persons job, big business bludgings... healthcare I think most are fine with

[Laava]

The best approach is to remove ALL restrictions in NZ.

If the unvaccinated plague-rats get infected and die, no problems there since they clearly say their immune systems will deal with the virus.
It really would become proper Gene-O-Clean for all of New Zealand's unintelligentsia.
And let's face it, we could do with some of that up here in the far north!

[F5 Dave]

But then I say those with the passport should be rejected.
Bit greedy getting protection then wanting to take up a bed too, a bed better used for for someone with a collapsed lung or heart problems

The bigger problem here tho is our health system should be able to cope with the few that need it
Instead of blaming vaxxers/anti-vaxxers we should be blaming MP's/Govt. It's their fault the health system can't handle a small increase in patients, it should never be running at almost 100% load

Small increase? Watch this space.

You only have to look overseas to see how deluded your optimistic view that Trump was right and this virus is a small thing.

[TheDemonLord]

I disagree, I think most tax payers are happy paying for it, what we don't want to pay for is the private healthcare the MP's get, the "pay for life" kickback they get for not working, the overpriced emergency housing, 10 people to do 1 persons job, big business bludgings... healthcare I think most are fine with

To add to this:

I don't mind paying taxes (Okay, I mind, but I grumble and get on with it).

In an ideal situation, I possibly wouldn't mind paying a *little* bit more.

What I do mind, however, is when my Taxes are badly spent. Things like personal vanity projects or schemes with a political angle - Diversity and Inclusions rackets or John Key's change the Flag farce.

Foreign Aid is another area where I think that my Taxes are being spent as if the Politicians earned it - now I'm not saying scrap all foreign Aid - only that I'd like to see some major changes, if private individuals want to contribute to Charity, that's fine, I don't want the Government doing it on my behalf, with resources that are meant to be for Kiwis.

Other things like when the Parliament slide that cost the Tax payer more than my House - those are things that when I pay my tax, I get annoyed at. I don't complain about when they use my Taxes to build a new hospital or hire more nurses etc.

Things that if they were paid for Privately or by individuals, would be either vastly cheaper (because of limited funds, more realistic budgets or not so many snouts in the Trough) or non-existent.

The second thing that I mind is that there is no gratitude shown towards those who pay Tax (and actually pay Tax, that is, Net-contributors) - all we ever here is 'The Rich need to pay their fair share' - which considering 20% of the top income earners pay something like 80% of Income tax is a bit Rich (Pun fully intended).

There's this constant clamour from the Left that it's these Evil Rich People and if we could just help ourselves to a little bit more of their wealth, everything would be perfect.

I can't stand that, both from a purely Economics PoV but also from a Philosophical PoV.

[R650R]

But then I say those with the passport should be rejected.
Bit greedy getting protection then wanting to take up a bed too, a bed better used for for someone with a collapsed lung or heart problems

The bigger problem here tho is our health system should be able to cope with the few that need it
Instead of blaming vaxxers/anti-vaxxers we should be blaming MP's/Govt. It's their fault the health system can't handle a small increase in patients, it should never be running at almost 100% load

All of our infrastructure from health to roads and water has been neglected thanks to the three year lolly scramble thought process.

Yep so system functions at 100% design ideals never match real world needs.

[R650R]

If you've ever voted National, Labour, Act or any other post 1984 political party in NZ based on the premise that "less tax is better" and "business always knows best" then we're all at fault.

It's a bit rich blaming MPs for not funding a better medical system when the vast majority of voters don't want to pay for it.

Just out of interest which party would have fixed health cause I don’t think you left anyone out there?

[husaberg]

Small increase? Watch this space.

You only have to look overseas to see how deluded your optimistic view that Trump was right and this virus is a small thing.

757K dead Americans thus far and climbing.

To put this into context that's nearly 200,000 more than us cituzens that died in every war since the US civil war.

[nerrrd]

Just out of interest which party would have fixed health cause I don’t think you left anyone out there?

Well National and Labour have had plenty of turns, I guess we’ll find out when Act or the Greens win an election that they probably can’t fix it either.

It’s not an overnight sort of a thing.

[R650R]

Hey about to bash the wife for a third time, clock up your third rape. Or perhaps a third random assault on a stranger. Well Jackie girl has got a frequent offender discount deal for you!!!!!
Apply now.....

Well although comments in the article could be right that it’s not often used it’s just the wrong message to take it away.... and in the rising tidal wave of crime from meth epidemic and housing crisis/poverty how can you properly judge the effect of new tool.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-strikes-law-to-be-repealed-act-party-furious-at-government-decision/

[pritch]

Hey about to bash the wife for a third time, clock up your third rape. Or perhaps a third random assault on a stranger. Well Jackie girl has got a frequent offender discount deal for you!!!!!
Apply now.....

Well although comments in the article could be right that it’s not often used it’s just the wrong message to take it away.... and in the rising tidal wave of crime from meth epidemic and housing crisis/poverty how can you properly judge the effect of new tool.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/three-strikes-law-to-be-repealed-act-party-furious-at-government-decision/

"Ooops 404" Prolly 'cause I'm not subscribed?

[bmwilly]

Nah ,I'm a subscriber and none of his Herald links ever work .

[TheDemonLord]

Nah ,I'm a subscriber and none of his Herald links ever work .

My Condolences

[bmwilly]

No condolences required from you

[Swoop]

It seems the main concern is that the plague rats would still turn up at the hospital wanting treatment, and the health system doesn't have the capacity to deal with a widespread outbreak and the associated high hospitalisation rates and ICU care.
In other countries there is the concept of a non-vaccinated person paying for their own costs of hospitalisation...
We shouldn't rule that one out.

The bigger problem here tho is our health system should be able to cope with the few that need it
Instead of blaming vaxxers/anti-vaxxers we should be blaming MP's/Govt. It's their fault the health system can't handle a small increase in patients, it should never be running at almost 100% load
Quite so, when Tacinda's lot failed to do anything after the 1st NZ lock-up.
Plenty of time to prepare for delta, but they fucked about and got caught out (again) with their utter incompetence.

[pritch]

I
Plenty of time to prepare for delta, but they fucked about and got caught out (again) with their utter incopetence.

That's a bit harsh when so far they've done possibly one of the the best jobs in the world. Sadly the percentage of stupid selfish bastards in the community is proving to be quite high. Anti vaxxers, and like the Stratford cases: only one of the six vaccinated, sick but don't get tested, don't scan, don't take any notice when it's reported that the virus is detected in the waste water for nearly two weeks. Do nothing until one gets so sick they need to be hospitalised. Fuckem.

[F5 Dave]

If English had have won which you should recall was the most likely result bar Winston, we would not have had the time, we would have been knee deep in money generating tourists April 2020. Then fucked like the rest of the world but with worse hospitals as both national and labour before them neglected them.

But yes I agree they should have used the time to expand the hospital system. Easy to say I guess but there is only so much money and I certainly dont have any experience with how to do that stuff. I bet it takes ages.

[pete376403]

In other countries there is the concept of a non-vaccinated person paying for their own costs of hospitalisation...
We shouldn't rule that one out.

Quite so, when Tacinda's lot failed to do anything after the 1st NZ lock-up.
Plenty of time to prepare for delta, but they fucked about and got caught out (again) with their utter incopetence.

So you're saying they failed to prepare for a variant of the virus that didn't exist at that time. Wish I had your crystal ball.

What would you have them do? Shoot on sight anyone testing positive (actually not a bad idea considering the majority of positive cases are north of the Bombays)

Anyway, the DHBs are preparing - they have stocked up on refrigerated containers for corpse storage.

[R650R]

So you're saying they failed to prepare for a variant of the virus that didn't exist at that time. Wish I had your crystal ball.

What would you have them do? Shoot on sight anyone testing positive (actually not a bad idea considering the majority of positive cases are north of the Bombays)

Anyway, the DHBs are preparing - they have stocked up on refrigerated containers for corpse storage.

Got a link to that?????????

Plenty of excavators and bare land for mass graves in NZ. Refrigerated truck unit be more practical, reefers would need electricity/generators and a suitable area to lay them down in a practically accessible area. Shocking layout and parking arrangements at most our hospitals would make it difficult.

[R650R]

In other countries there is the concept of a non-vaccinated person paying for their own costs of hospitalisation...
We shouldn't rule that one out.

Quite so, when Tacinda's lot failed to do anything after the 1st NZ lock-up.
Plenty of time to prepare for delta, but they fucked about and got caught out (again) with their utter incopetence.

Well it’s like they must have wanted it to happen. They left the Aussie travel bubble open for a whole week KNOWING there was positive delta case outbreaks in one of the cities in travel bubble....

[husaberg]

Well it’s like they must have wanted it to happen. They left the Aussie travel bubble open for a whole week KNOWING there was positive delta case outbreaks in one of the cities in travel bubble....
Odd that you would be against what you are now again falsely applying to others?
Do you find it difficult to remember your previous trolls.


The noun Pandemic is not mentioned in that post, does one not understand grammar.
Every disease is a Pandemic in the modern world as they all spread “across the country or roundvthe world”.
1600 people sick in a country of 5 million is no crisis worth destroying jobs and lives for.


Well well well, our journey into communist hell continues.

There has only been 1650 alleged cases (out of 700,000 tests!!!!) of the virus, but what has spread faster has been submission to communist control.
Nearly 2 million have downloaded the Covid app so you can be sent to a govt “ health” camp to catch the virus if you didnt already have it.

But yay 3 million kiwis have said no to turning their phone into govt spy device.

Tommorow is D-day, public transport will be the barometer of how many of us have rolled belly up to mask wearing.
Hopefully most will say screw this shit and drive their cars to work.

You don’t have to wear a mask if it affects your physical or mental health and you do NOT need to present documents to prove this.

Out and about it’s refreshing to see nearly No one scanning the qr code thingy.

It’s quite clear now as the mountain of contradictions grow that it’s not about stopping the “virus”..


Masks are for destroying social interaction and communication with strangers. You know those moments in life when some shitbag is bashing his missus and enough of you make visual contact to know you’ve got each other back and intervene.
But with masks there will never be any Flight 93 “lets roll” moments of bravery, you’ll never know if your fellow citizen is a Karen or Stasi as you reluctantly board the blacked out train carriage...
A cop will never see your friendly smile, never know you like them and not let you off that minor stop sign indescretion...


Spare a thought for the unfortunate households this Xmas....

The households where Karen’s live.....

Instead of milk and cookies they will leave hand sanitiser and toilet paper out for Santa....

But he won’t be here Xmas nite Jonny, he has to stay in quarantine for two weeks first...

I can’t belueve comrade afdrn has t used this.... kids are very observant, how come Santa has freedom of travel?


The media are tripping over themselves trying to solve the mystery of why Africans aren't dying from covid as badly as the west.
Africans routinely take a cheap safe anti malaria drug invented in n 1960's called hydroxychloroquine....
Scooby Doo would solve that puzzle faster



So many vids about the Biden regime now investigating the “ outrageous” wuhan lab conspiracy its hard to choose which one to post ����������


Your odds of dying from Covid in NZ is about the same as winning Powerball....
People dream of winning powerball, actively visit known powerball superspreader hot zones twice a week in hope of winning...

Meanwhile about 6 times as many people die in drink drive car crashes.
We even have mass random surveillance testing for that too, typically about 1.5-2% are ‘ infected’ with the influence of alcohol.....
Would we tolerate say a 24hr lockdown every time you bought a beer at bar?
Or after your night at the bar you don’t leave through the front door, a govt agent escorts you to a ‘quarantine ‘ facility which you can’t leave for 24 hrs.
Just imagine that, we would ABSOLUTELY save 150 lives a year
The govt will NEVER do that so why all this crap with the virus where the potential victim has a 93% chance of not even needing hospital treatment...


As of Dec 4 2020

1,298,455 Total tests

2219 positive test results

139 (estimated based on 6.3% in previous data of 1600/80 approx) Hospitalised

25 dead

WHY is it SO HARD to find the data on how many people in NZ NEEDED hospital treatment for this.
This number has to be actively suppressed as ALL the other data comes up very EASY in searches.
The answer is so people don’t ask WHY are we scared.
Can you imagine a Pandemic being declared of the PM said oh by the way 93% of you that actually manage to contract the virus won’t need to go to hospital just stay home and rest.
Nothing else matters the maths tells the story, especially post lockdown any new cases should have spread massively as everyone suddenly enjoyed a watered down form of freedom.
And just think of all those Asymptomatic cases in the 3,800,000 people that have NOT been tested...
There should be another 6600 odd positive cases, another 400 extra in hospital and another 75 people dead, where are they????


Well it seems the MORE deadly and MORE contagious delta variant failed to deliver... just think about that, the infected person came on a flight where people would have taken masks off at times to eat and drink and all shared the same inflight tier facilities. THEN they sauntered all over a MAJOR metropolitan area and thefe was no outbreak.
Guess that’s why an ever nastier version lambda? Starts with L has just been “ discovered”....

Oh but we’ve locked down so quick, yes but not before the exposure events and not before all those exposed on weekends away returned to provincial centres.

One has to wonder if the new respiratory infection in young kids is a result of the sterility of lockdown life not letting there immune systems learn properly in early development months as the age band is very low.

[pritch]

Plenty of excavators and bare land for mass graves in NZ.

Possibly not. This area trucks all rubbish to the Manawatu. The problem seems to be contamination getting into the ground water. Corpses would be unlikely to be safer than household rubbish.

It's not just here, the Canterbury Plains would be unsuitable, as would other major areas of the country.

Yesterday I read an article that said COVID has entered the white tail deer population in the US. That means it ain't over when it's over. The virus, or mutants thereof, can return to humans from the deer population at random points in future. Marvellous.

[TheDemonLord]

Yesterday I read an article that said COVID has entered the white tail deer population in the US. That means it ain't over when it's over. The virus, or mutants thereof, can return to humans from the deer population at random points in future. Marvellous.

Very interesting - I saw a different article, but this time it was about Hyenas testing positive for it.

Can't wait for the Vaccine Mandates for Animals :lol::lol:

[pete376403]

Got a link to that?????????

Plenty of excavators and bare land for mass graves in NZ. Refrigerated truck unit be more practical, reefers would need electricity/generators and a suitable area to lay them down in a practically accessible area. Shocking layout and parking arrangements at most our hospitals would make it difficult.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-dhbs-funeral-homes-buy-refrigerated-containers-for-covid-19-bodies/H2ZKQIMY6SR6LW7GEMSJSYBNEA/

[pete376403]

Very interesting - I saw a different article, but this time it was about Hyenas testing positive for it.

Can't wait for the Vaccine Mandates for Animals :lol::lol:
Already got one - but the animals are resisting and holding protests instead

[TheDemonLord]

Already got one - but the animals are resisting and holding protests instead

If I was of a particular persuasion, I'd use that statement as proof of racist remarks against certain Minorities.

But I'm not, and I had a little Giggle.

[R650R]

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-dhbs-funeral-homes-buy-refrigerated-containers-for-covid-19-bodies/H2ZKQIMY6SR6LW7GEMSJSYBNEA/

Interesting.... dangerous operation though every time one is added someone has to crack those doors open. Prob more a box ticking exercise to offer an illusion of dignity after death. If things do get out of hand smart thing to do would be vacumn sealed in plastic body bag straight to incineration pit.
56 bodies in three boxes? Obviously they not double stacking anyone.

[R650R]

Possibly not. This area trucks all rubbish to the Manawatu. The problem seems to be contamination getting into the ground water. Corpses would be unlikely to be safer than household rubbish.

It's not just here, the Canterbury Plains would be unsuitable, as would other major areas of the country.

Yesterday I read an article that said COVID has entered the white tail deer population in the US. That means it ain't over when it's over. The virus, or mutants thereof, can return to humans from the deer population at random points in future. Marvellous.

You could burn corpes where as that’s currently unfashionable for refuse, plastics and all...,

That deer story sounds like part of the on going conspiracy to end human meat consumption by the vegans. Then like pet dogs and cats were reliant on store made vegan food produced by massive corporate owned farms.

[R650R]

What a coincidence.... Jacinda falling in polls so she pimps out her kid in the failed bedtime/zoom conference to appear human and relate able to voters.
I’ve seen this happen in various arenas now, must be part of corporate training to deliberately trip up or say something silly in some slapstick manner as it’s well known people don’t lime othets that appear perfect (esp nz tall poppy syndrome)

[sugilite]

What a coincidence.... Jacinda falling in polls so she pimps out her kid in the failed bedtime/zoom conference to appear human and relate able to voters.
I’ve seen this happen in various arenas now, must be part of corporate training to deliberately trip up or say something silly in some slapstick manner as it’s well known people don’t lime othets that appear perfect (esp nz tall poppy syndrome)

I'm voting for Neve in the next election - gunna be awesome :laugh:

[Swoop]

That's a bit harsh when so far they've done possibly one of the the best jobs in the world.
Like fuck she has!
Have you been lapping up the media reports of how lovely they are (by a msm that has been bought and paid for)?

So you're saying they failed to prepare for a variant of the virus that didn't exist at that time. Anyway, the DHBs are preparing - they have stocked up on refrigerated containers for corpse storage.
If liarbour had looked at the rest of the world, they would have seen the development of the virus. The DHB's had already prepared for larger numbers of deaths at the initial outbreak, but were delayed by the results of the initial NZ lock-up.

Don't worry about delta being "above the Bombays"... it is coming to a town near you very soon!



Well it’s like they must have wanted it to happen. They left the Aussie travel bubble open for a whole week KNOWING there was positive delta case outbreaks in one of the cities in travel bubble....
Yup. Australia was rife and they left the borders open. Surprise, surprise, with the result.

I'm voting for Neve in the next election - gunna be awesome :laugh:
She's more intelligent than her mother.

[husaberg]

Like fuck she has!
Have you been lapping up the media reports of how lovely they are (by a msm that has been bought and paid for)?

If liarbour had looked at the rest of the world, they would have seen the development of the virus.

if only the real world figure could ever back up your assertions.

i am not saying you are a bit wrong, you are so far wrong its actually embarrassing to be part of the same species as you.
350113

Ireland had a similar sized population as New Zealand with similar demographics and about 90 percent of their eligible population was fully vaccinated.

But more than 50 people were currently dying every week from Covid-19.
In New Zealand's context, that would be the third highest cause of death behind only cancer and heart disease.


"I talked to my colleagues in Ireland and I asked them 'How did you get to such high vaccination levels?' and they said the number one motivator was fear. People were terrified, almost everyone had someone in their family who'd died. The number two motivation was mandates," he said.
In Ireland, the unvaccinated were dying at far higher rates than the vaccinated.
Data out of the UK suggested the unvaccinated were up to 32 times more likely to die from the virus.

[pritch]

Like fuck she has!
Have you been lapping up the media reports of how lovely they are (by a msm that has been bought and paid for)?


The Labour party bought up most of the western world's media? Amazing. Or unhinged.

I posted this previously but you seem to have missed it, let me remind you:

New Zealand has lower unemployment figures than Britain or the US.

Britain's national debt is running at over 100% of GDP.
The US national debt is over 110% of GDP.
New Zeaand's national debt is 28% of GDP.

COVID deaths per million:
US over 2,300
UK over 2,100
NZ 7 (rounded up)

[pritch]

This will come as news to one of our resident IT experts who seems tp lack a basic understanding of social media. This is not the original item I saw with screenshots of Telegram posts, but it's an article by David Farrier who I normally don't admire but will give kudos for this.

https://www.webworm.co/p/capitolriots

[R650R]

This will come as news to one of our resident IT experts who seems tp lack a basic understanding of social media. This is not the original item I saw with screenshots of Telegram posts, but it's an article by David Farrier who I normally don't admire but will give kudos for this.

https://www.webworm.co/p/capitolriots

No because we donÂ’t have the FBI in NZ. And why would anyone resort to that sort of action when Jacinda bends over for anyoneÂ’s cause and is great at faking empathy.
Just look at Ihumato, it was about to fizzle out into nothing, all she had to do was no comment.... neck minnit she opens her mouth and another govt handout fuelling the divide...

In fact the height of tension at moment seems to be internal amongst Maori protestors using a particular Maori haka and havingvtrump flags alongside rangitiratanga flags.

Btw your favourite fake conspiracy advocate Alex Jones did do a good session once about how to spot the FBI. If someone joins your protest group, starts talking violent stuff or seriously upping the anti etc then thatÂ’s the FBI.

Just look at last protest in Wellington, prob one of nz most peaceful ever. If your worried about violent protests you should really be looking at our youth. Raised in an era of a constant mass psychosis of fear they really believe we are killing the planet. To top it off you have the GOVT sponsored genless adds by energy commission PROMOTING protest action with slogan what side of history will you be on.

We are a proving ground for the elite so who knows what stunts they might try pull off on our turf


https://youtu.be/09maaUaRT4M

[R650R]

Remember the whistle stop surprise tour.....


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-90-project-jacinda-ardern-makes-special-murupara-pit-stop-during-north-island-tour

Was it really about this??????? Surely she would have known back then....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126983349/gp-is-treated-like-a-hero-in-his-small-town-but-are-his-statements-putting-lives-at-risk

[pritch]

Btw your favourite fake conspiracy advocate Alex Jones did do a good session once about how to spot the FBI. If someone joins your protest group, starts talking violent stuff or seriously upping the anti etc then thatÂ’s the FBI.



Poor Alex. He's not having a good day. :buggerd:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alex-jones-loses-fourth-lawsuit-over-sandy-hook-hoax-conspiracy_n_6192930ee4b0499c18bce841

[TheDemonLord]

This will come as news to one of our resident IT experts who seems tp lack a basic understanding of social media. This is not the original item I saw with screenshots of Telegram posts, but it's an article by David Farrier who I normally don't admire but will give kudos for this.

https://www.webworm.co/p/capitolriots

So, one chat group, with a whole 43 comments....

Further of interest is that for a group with a supposedly nearly 1,000 members, Do you remember any major civil unrest 3 days ago?

One is reminded of the mass 'Protest' that was 'organized' in the US and was heavily promoted by the likes of CNN (odd that they were giving favourable coverage to the Right Wing...) where it turned out that the only people that showed up... were undercover Feds...

Just a thought.

As for the actual article, it's the standard loony-left-wing fare. Ironically, it could have been great if he'd actually mentioned what the root cause of the Kiwi love affair with the US is/was - which is the ideal of Freedom, but then to do that would require him to both understand the issue and to be charitable to the opposition.

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127018250/is-ardern-abdicating-the-leadership

[Swoop]

i am not saying you are a bit wrong, you are so far wrong its actually embarrassing to be part of the same species as you.
I expected nothing less of a true supporter of our dictator.
Keep up the mediocre work, and keep all of those hyperlinks coming.

The Labour party bought up most of the western world's media?
The NZ media. Bought and paid for.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/opinion/127018250/is-ardern-abdicating-the-leadership
We can only hope so.

[husaberg]

I expected nothing less of a true supporter of our dictator.
Keep up the mediocre work, and keep all of those hyperlinks coming.

The NZ media. Bought and paid for.

We can only hope so.
Maybe if only you could counter the points that were made to refute your latest list of baseless allegations...but alas its just more of the same:tugger:

[pritch]

The NZ media. Bought and paid for.


No. You missed the point. Again. Most of the world's media regards the Labour Govt, Jacinda in particular, to have been a huge success in the way COVID was handled. They can't all have been bought. OK there are people so bitter and twisted that they'll never see it. That's their myopia, it has nothing to do with reality.

[R650R]

No. You missed the point. Again. Most of the world's media regards the Labour Govt, Jacinda in particular, to have been a huge success in the way COVID was handled. They can't all have been bought. OK there are people so bitter and twisted that they'll never see it. That's their myopia, it has nothing to do with reality.

The NZ media over $50 million.... all those little vid clips on stuff or herald where you see made with funding from nz on air.... that money is ONLY for clips that meet certain govt defined criteria.
That’s why you see one puff piece after another about climate/race based inequality/digital currency/euthanasia/cycling/tinyhouses/workingfromhome/owningnothing.....

We have for the FIRST time in NZ history a prime minister with FIVE press secretaries and many of cabinet ministers also having more than one. We got to see recently what happens when a journalist asks questions not on the pre approved script.

[TheDemonLord]

Again. Most of the world's media regards the Labour Govt, Jacinda in particular, to have been a huge success in the way COVID was handled.

I know, it's almost like most of them have a certain bias, in the same direction as Jacinda...

[husaberg]

The NZ media over $50 million.... all those little vid clips on stuff or herald where you see made with funding from nz on air.... that money is ONLY for clips that meet certain govt defined criteria.
That’s why you see one puff piece after another about climate/race based inequality/digital currency/euthanasia/cycling/tinyhouses/workingfromhome/owningnothing.....

We have for the FIRST time in NZ history a prime minister with FIVE press secretaries and many of cabinet ministers also having more than one. We got to see recently what happens when a journalist asks questions not on the pre approved script.
Half the nz on air funding money is for fiction. 7 million is music.
whats left over isnt even enought t0 buy a few more chinese MP for the national party.
What your issue is is you ar a troll and a national fanboi that ant understand why your party is so disliked it will soon be rated lower than act.
I note you never claimed media bias when National was in power yet NZ on air funding has existed since 1988
or when they under national they funded 80K to Michael fays (one of NZ richist national party voters)daughter.

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300456239/lake-waikaremoana-and-its-great-walk-have-been-closed-for-months-as-thoe-say-the-relationship-with-the-crown-has-failed


“Tamati Kruger, the TUT chairman, says opening up Te Urewera to the public is “way down the list of priorities” for Tūhoe, as it brings no benefit to the iwi.”

“Conservation Minister Kiri​ Allan​ told a hui of various stakeholders in Tāneatua​ in November that money was not an issue, that it was available and DOC wanted the work done.

She would not be interviewed, but her office said in a statement that funding has been available for some time, and TUT has not accessed iT”

“Mervyn English, DOC’s governance and Treaty chief advisor, says it provides $2.2m a year as a “base amount”.

On top of that, DOC makes money available for various projects and activities.

“For example, DOC funded the purchase and the installation of new stoves in many huts.”

Sources have told Stuff that Tūhoe haven’t been letting DOC staff into the area to do maintenance work, preferring to have their young people upskilled to do it.

Kruger confirms this.”

Meanwhile, Wayne Beattie​, a Detective Sergeant with Gisborne police who took part in a Tūhoe-sanctioned search and rescue operation at Lake Waikaremoana in November, says he was shocked by the state of facilities.

The Whanganui Hut had been vandalised, with condoms and human waste left on the floor, gang slogans drawn on the furniture and slats from the bunks used as firewood.

Other huts were in a poor state, with guttering pulled down or collapsed and empty water tanks, Beattie says, while “thousands of dollars’ worth” of pest traps were unused and rotting on the ground.

[TheDemonLord]

Half the nz on air funding money is for fiction.

Well, I do believe that was the point he was making.... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::lol::lol::lol:

[pritch]

Meanwhile, Wayne Beattie​, a Detective Sergeant with Gisborne police who took part in a Tūhoe-sanctioned search and rescue operation at Lake Waikaremoana in November, says he was shocked by the state of facilities.

The Whanganui Hut had been vandalised, with condoms and human waste left on the floor, gang slogans drawn on the furniture and slats from the bunks used as firewood.

Other huts were in a poor state, with guttering pulled down or collapsed and empty water tanks, Beattie says, while “thousands of dollars’ worth” of pest traps were unused and rotting on the ground.

Sad reading, having walked around the lake, stayed in three of the huts, and visited the others. It's a popular walk, I encountered groups of foreign visitors from Germany, Switzerland, and Israel. It's not a very good advertisement for the country in the current state.

[avgas]

This will come as news to one of our resident IT experts who seems tp lack a basic understanding of social media. This is not the original item I saw with screenshots of Telegram posts, but it's an article by David Farrier who I normally don't admire but will give kudos for this.

https://www.webworm.co/p/capitolriots

Meh. I doubt it.
US has had some F'ed up stuff in the last few decades. Whiles its been bad, it did make a few more people proactive about how they feel (for good and bad reasons). People blamed social media but these folks were f'ed up to begin with, social media just amplified them.

Meanwhile back in NZ. We have spent 50 years on perfecting how to boil a frog.
Last solid protests were against apartheid. Even the motorcycle tax protests barely moved the needle.

Politicians don't even fear the public. They could ask for you first born or you left kidney and 30% of kiwi's would be compliant by default.

"I know it sounds bad, but its for the greater good. Someone else needs that kidney and my child will have a great education in the camp"

[Swoop]

No. You missed the point. Again.
No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.

The NZ media over $50 million.... all those little vid clips on stuff or herald where you see made with funding from nz on air.... that money is ONLY for clips that meet certain govt defined criteria.
That’s why you see one puff piece after another about climate/race based inequality/digital currency/euthanasia/cycling/tinyhouses/workingfromhome/owningnothing.....

We have for the FIRST time in NZ history a prime minister with FIVE press secretaries and many of cabinet ministers also having more than one. We got to see recently what happens when a journalist asks questions not on the pre approved script.
Thank fuck someone can comprehend this shit.

Has KB been dumbed down even further recently with fuckwits and autistic cunts?

[James Deuce]

No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.

Thank fuck someone can comprehend this shit.

Has KB been dumbed down even further recently with fuckwits and autistic cunts?
I'm kind of confused that anyone pays any attention to any sort of "news" media outlet. You guys know you're just feeding the trolls, right?

[R650R]

No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.

Thank fuck someone can comprehend this shit.

Has KB been dumbed down even further recently with fuckwits and autistic cunts?

Hehe must share positive rep before giving more....

Just imagine what he’d say if Trump had given media financial assistance with caveats about how the money is spent.

“Today it’s more important than ever in the era of fake news, that’s you cnn, yes that’s you and you know it; more important than ever that people have access to accurate news. Accurate news that’s important you know. Very important.
Tremendously important, especially to successful business people like me, spending A LOT of money on big projects, BIG projects making America great again.
When your doing that, making America great again, it’s tremendously important to have accurate news.
So today I’m signing the Affordable Media Access bill to authorise the funding of all American media outlets that report on all the ways that Americans are making America great again, even you cnn. Yes even cnn will be eligible, they more than anyone else need to hire some new journalists.”

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300464553/gang-numbers-have-nearly-doubled-in-five-years-police-say

Thanks Jacinda making NZ great again... maybe this was the policy to lower house prices? Despite her/HNZ moving two gang families into my street prices have still gone up like rocket.

[nerrrd]

No I havent. YOU fail to recognise that 55 million of taxpayer dollars has been used to purchase the media outlets of NZ - so long as they meet certain "output requirements" which are provided by this government.

I'm not sure that $55 million would be enough to 'purchase' an industry that still has revenues in the multiple $100s of millions, albeit those are in steady decline. I agree that the Public Interest Journalism Fund is a problematic solution to the cost cutting measures most are being forced to take, but if your thesis is that he who pays the piper calls the tune, shouldn't we be just as concerned about private ownership as we are about taxpayer funding?

If the problem is you're reading things online which don't appear in the general 'media', you might like to consider that traditional local media are considered 'publishers' and therefore subject to long standing legal redress and regulation.

Overseas based online platforms aren't yet subject to the same level of scrutiny, and are fighting tooth and nail not to be.

I'm still seeing articles published in local media critical of the government and its policies. If they were to disappear altogether, then yes, that would be a problem.

[TheDemonLord]

I agree that the Public Interest Journalism Fund is a problematic solution to the cost cutting measures most are being forced to take, but if your thesis is that he who pays the piper calls the tune, shouldn't we be just as concerned about private ownership as we are about taxpayer funding?

Well, that depends.

You can have the classical BBC solution (which used to be the gold standard in terms of unbiased reporting and content) - which is a very strict set of rules to prevent Bias or in cases where there is an issue that could be perceived as being biased that it's handled in such a way to present both sides fairly.

Or you can have the CNN/Fox solution - whereby both sides of an argument are represented, but represented on a single platform. This does run the risk of Echo Chambers, but whenever I watch something from CNN, I take a massive grain of salt that I'm watching the Democrat party narrative. When I watch something from Fox, Likewise but from the Republican view.



If the problem is you're reading things online which don't appear in the general 'media', you might like to consider that traditional local media are considered 'publishers' and therefore subject to long standing legal redress and regulation.

Overseas based online platforms aren't yet subject to the same level of scrutiny, and are fighting tooth and nail not to be.

And you've hit the nail on the head - you have platforms such as Twitter, Youtube etc. taking editorial stances on certain issues/people - which is in contradiction to their claims of just being a platform.


I'm still seeing articles published in local media critical of the government and its policies. If they were to disappear altogether, then yes, that would be a problem.

I've seen some critique, but I think it's fair to say the following:

The critique of the government by the media has been more strident when it comes to concepts that the Left-Wing Media is favourable to (such as wanting more to be done for Climate Change) than it has for issues that are in violation of our natural human rights (Vaccine Mandates).

Today, however, I was bouyed by the fact that some businesses have publicly stated they will not discriminate based on Vaccination status and so are moving either to takeaway only models or simply not checking.

They will receive my continued business, the Cowards who post signs of 'we don't want to do it, but are doing it anyway' will not.

[R650R]

.... but if your thesis is that he who pays the piper calls the tune, shouldn't we be just as concerned about private ownership as we are about taxpayer funding?

If the problem is you're reading things online which don't appear in the general 'media', you might like to consider that traditional local media are considered 'publishers' and therefore subject to long standing legal redress and regulation.

Overseas based online platforms aren't yet subject to the same level of scrutiny, and are fighting tooth and nail not to be.

I'm still seeing articles published in local media critical of the government and its policies. If they were to disappear altogether, then yes, that would be a problem.

Valid points.... but the thing with private ownership is they have to produce a product consumers are WILLING to buy. It’s no coincidence that the decline in media independence through corporate ownership and in our case state sponsorship that people don’t want to BUY the product.

Technology took away MAJOR production costs for media outlets but in the rush to be first with the news and get as revenue based on click counts they’ve thrown away the quality and accuracy element along with any rational independent scrutiny of statements.
I just love Fluff news latest beggar banner where they say “hey you pay for streaming movies, you pay to curate your music in cloud, you pay for the latest blah blah you get it...” but they completely miss they are giving example of QUALITY products or services that people are Happy with.

Yes there are some articles critical of govt and been increasing lately but no where near what they used to be against both parties.

[Swoop]

I'm kind of confused that anyone pays any attention to any sort of "news" media outlet. You guys know you're just feeding the trolls, right?
Sadly the taxpayers are being milked to feed the problem.

I'm not sure that $55 million would be enough to 'purchase' an industry...
OK, perhap rephrase it to "rent for a while"?

Technology took away MAJOR production costs for media outlets but in the rush to be first with the news...
Sadly we still have the current level of journalists' and their particular approaches to writing an article.
Even worse is the editor and his/her a: lack of oversight, b: particular bias, c: ineptitude.

[F5 Dave]

Won't the world be a better place when we have someone as impartial as you at the tiler of the media.

[TheDemonLord]

Won't the world be a better place when we have someone as impartial as you at the tiler of the media.

Well, I've been on record on this site on numerous times supporting the right to speak/post of people that I vigorously disagree with, so....

[FJRider]

... Sadly we still have the current level of journalists' and their particular approaches to writing an article.
Even worse is the editor and his/her a: lack of oversight, b: particular bias, c: ineptitude.

Like journalists that edit their articles with Spellcheck. The words used are spelt correctly ... just the grammatical errors remain. ie: Correct spelling ... but incorrect or wrong words used.

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300469780/massively-concerning--338-military-personnel-who-served-in-miq-quit

Yet another own goal by this govt, wrecked our military.
I’d say the numbers are worse than reported as most kiwis don’t like to be negative and bridge burning when they leave somewhere. It’s a small place and you may have to go back.

[husaberg]

Just imagine what he’d say if Trump had given media financial assistance with caveats about how the money is spent.


You mean like the provisos on it being spent on having local reporters based in NZ reporting on NZ stories
How dare they......

https://d3r9t6niqlb7tz.cloudfront.net/media/images/PIJ_Infographic.original.jpg


Where was your outrage over this

The latest Crown financial statements show that National’s failed asset sales have carved a path of destruction through the government books,
The Financial Statements show that the sale of Meridian for below its book value wiped $378 million off the Crown’s net worth. This stands in stark contrast to the Government’s assumption that it would sell the assets for $700 million more than they were valued at on the government accounts. Additionally, the Financial Statements show that the ‘buy now, pay later’ scheme for Meridian has cost $33 million and ‘direct sales costs’ were $21 million. That is additional to more than $9 million spent by Meridian and Treasury in preparation for the sale.
"Selling Meridian for a low price has wiped $378 million off the Crown’s net wealth. Add to that, $33 million for the ‘buy now, pay later’ scheme, $21 million for brokers, lawyers, and ad-men, and millions more for Treasury and Meridian staff costs. That’s $450 million lost on just one asset sale.
"The sale of Mighty River cost a further $66 million in sales costs and has so far cost the public $49 million in lost dividends.
"National said that the cost of the asset sales would be minimal and the sales would go so well that they would sell the companies for more than they were worth. The opposite has happened.
"The taxpayer has lost hundreds of millions of dollars, and so have the ordinary Kiwi families who were conned into buying these shares by National’s $8 million ad campaign.


When Key gave private companies billions of dollars i find it odd he never asked for any conditions



<tbody>
Company name
Entry date in scheme
Failure date
Amount paid out


Allied Nationwide Finance Limited
19 November 2008
20 August 2010
$131.0m


Equitable Mortgages Limited
4 December 2008
26 November 2010
$140.2m


Mascot Finance Limited
12 January 2009
2 March 2009
$70.0m


Mutual Finance Limited
13 November 2008
14 July 2010
$9.2m


Rockforte Finance Limited
20 February 2009
10 May 2010
$4.0m


South Canterbury Finance Limited (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Canterbury_Finance)
19 November 2008
31 August 2010
$1,580.3m


Strata Finance Limited
19 November 2008
31 August 2010
$0.5m


Viaduct Capital Limited
13 November 2008
14 May 2010
$7.6m


Vision Securities Limited
5 December 2008
1 April 2010
$30.0m

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[R650R]

Consequences of weak leadership keep adding up....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/127177327/covid19-aucklanders-are-seeing-red-despite-traffic-light-freedoms

Not just from covid though this type of stuff has been building unchecked for awhile

[F5 Dave]

Weak leadership? A minute ago it was Stalinesque. Make up your mind.

[R650R]

Thanks again JACINDA ....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300469297/brawls-and-police-raids-living-next-door-to-members-of-rival-gangs

Don’t know where this lady thinks she’s gonna move to... HNZ has pepper sprayed I mean pepper potted these people all over previously respectable neighbourhoods. I know they must have been rocki g at least kiwi classic pop song from when the cats away “ what we need is a great big melting pot”..... but what’s we ended up within was a great big meth kitchen instead....

We got letters in mail apologising in advance for construction noise when they subdivided in our street saying they were constructing housing for those most in need... well they didn’t lie I just think we disagree on what those people most need, spoiler alert it’s not a brand new house to smash up...and they wonder why they have trouble renting....
Funny thing is the construction machinery ended up being less disruptive than the tenants..,,

[R650R]

Well done Jackie

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/127243264/terrified-motorist-commandeered-by-mongrel-mob-to-tow-brokendown-car

[Berries]

Highly doubt she reads KB.

[jasonu]

Thanks again JACINDA ....

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300469297/brawls-and-police-raids-living-next-door-to-members-of-rival-gangs

Don’t know where this lady thinks she’s gonna move to... HNZ has pepper sprayed I mean pepper potted these people all over previously respectable neighbourhoods. I know they must have been rocki g at least kiwi classic pop song from when the cats away “ what we need is a great big melting pot”..... but what’s we ended up within was a great big meth kitchen instead....

We got letters in mail apologising in advance for construction noise when they subdivided in our street saying they were constructing housing for those most in need... well they didn’t lie I just think we disagree on what those people most need, spoiler alert it’s not a brand new house to smash up...and they wonder why they have trouble renting....
Funny thing is the construction machinery ended up being less disruptive than the tenants..,,

Egg and spoons behaving like egg and spoons

Well done Jackie

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/127243264/terrified-motorist-commandeered-by-mongrel-mob-to-tow-brokendown-car

and more egg and spoons behaving like egg and spoons.

[husaberg]

Egg and spoons behaving like egg and spoons


and more egg and spoons behaving like egg and spoons.
i am not really surprised you two are on the same wave length.......

[Laava]

i am not really surprised you two are on the same wave length.......
Eggs and spoons?

[husaberg]

Eggs and spoons?
nah their wavelength only picks up Alex jones radio with a tin foil antenna

[R650R]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Labour Party goes full conspiracy.... autonomous drones threat to humanity....

Their only ten years late to this party lol Sweet Jesus were even launching the satellites that help control them. Wonder when they will connect the dots about carrying a smart phone every where’ and scanning at everybody location.....
Sky net went active long time ago.... Sarah’s conner ended the resistance after her DPB payments got increased and the cops impounded lil Jonny’s XR125


https://youtu.be/2p414pEifXM

[F5 Dave]

It was a CR80 you fuking turkey. Didn't think you knew anything about bikes.

[husaberg]

It was a CR80 you fuking turkey. Didn't think you knew anything about bikes.

From memory it was a Xr100 that had a CR80 soundtrack.
But he does gobble like one.

Yip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmkEKPa0K90
350270350271

[F5 Dave]

When he was blipping it it was a cr clearly.

[R650R]

All that really matters Dave is it was the only time in History a HONDA being ridden on a public road was cool... 😜😂

[pritch]

All that really matters Dave is it was the only time in History a HONDA being ridden on a public road was cool... 😜😂

I dunno. MM riding his RCV around town in Spain was pretty cool.

[R650R]

I dunno. MM riding his RCV around town in Spain was pretty cool.

HRC bikes are not really HONDA.... If the RCV was a real HONDA it would have a centre stand and panniers.

[R650R]

Well Nanny state shafts the country again

https://nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/waka-kotahi-moves-to-make-sh5-safer/

Watch out your province will be next.... One of the most epic driving routes in country going from 100k to 80k

[pritch]

HRC bikes are not really HONDA.... If the RCV was a real HONDA it would have a centre stand and panniers.

That's funny, I wonder what HRC stands for. My local dealer had a genuine HRC bike, it had a sidestand, but probably not a center stand and definitely no panniers. Then again how many models in the Honda range come standard with a center stand and panniers?

[pritch]

Well Nanny state shafts the country again

https://nzta.govt.nz/media-releases/waka-kotahi-moves-to-make-sh5-safer/

Watch out your province will be next.... One of the most epic driving routes in country going from 100k to 80k

We may be returning to the days when you had to be preceded along the road by someone with a red flag. That would do wonders for the unemployment rate.

[Laava]

That's funny, I wonder what HRC stands for. My local dealer had a genuine HRC bike, it had a sidestand, but probably not a center stand and definitely no panniers. Then again how many models in the Honda range come standard with a center stand and panniers?
To be honest, I think he was having a go at humour.

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/127393747/waka-kotahi-nz-transport-agency-concerned-by-polices-lack-of-performance-on-road-safety

As if the police don’t have a hard time already another govt dept is taking a dump on them...,

Interesting to see Waka Kobumpyroads is going to be taking over speed camera operations in 2023, this could be some interesting legal loopholes.
One has to wonder the reasons behind that.... is it for enforcing a future vehicle emissions standard/restricted usage operations that would be outside of scope ofbpolice operations???

[R650R]

I know it’s local not central govt but under the guise of the current cancellinda regime...

I detest smell of doggie smoke sometimes but this is going to far.... cause you know what’s next is the dirty smell of two stroke and four stroke engines....

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/smoking-and-vaping-ban-for-hawkes-bay-beaches-rivers-and-outdoor-dining-proposed/MGHGW52R6FHOQZAIPCUIZ2TCQI/

[husaberg]

I know it’s local not central govt but under the guise of the current cancellinda regime...

I detest smell of doggie smoke sometimes but this is going to far.... cause you know what’s next is the dirty smell of two stroke and four stroke engines....

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/news/smoking-and-vaping-ban-for-hawkes-bay-beaches-rivers-and-outdoor-dining-proposed/MGHGW52R6FHOQZAIPCUIZ2TCQI/
Just as well you are on the case, are you standing for election like Mashy did?

[pritch]

Speaking of Jacinda, which we weren't really but never mind. Didja see those fucking idiots trying to run the PM's vehicle off the road on the TV news tonight? They'd be oblivious, but that's fairly serious game they were playing. They could even win an award. A Darwin Award.

[TheDemonLord]

Speaking of Jacinda, which we weren't really but never mind. Didja see those fucking idiots trying to run the PM's vehicle off the road on the TV news tonight? They'd be oblivious, but that's fairly serious game they were playing. They could even win an award. A Darwin Award.

A Darwin Award? I was thinking more along the lines of a George Cross...

[R650R]

Speaking of Jacinda, which we weren't really but never mind. Didja see those fucking idiots trying to run the PM's vehicle off the road on the TV news tonight? They'd be oblivious, but that's fairly serious game they were playing. They could even win an award. A Darwin Award.

Don’t watch the party political broadcast anymore but might have to look it up.

It’s a new sport around this way for the feral elements of society that grew up with grand theft auto. I was making a sporty entry into roundabout (but at legal pace) in the cage and some young munters twice tried to push me into island. You could see them laughing like hyenas no idea of the consequences their actions could bring.
At the next roundabout they executed a high speed 270 turn from outside lane across the straight thru traffic stuff laughing...
Prob warrants a dangerous charge but I haven’t time to book their wet bus ticket... Darwin will take its course when they meet someone whose less worried about an additional assault charge....

[sugilite]

FFS, Bitches sit down, shut up and get shit done here in NZ rather than expounding bullshit meaningless ineffective platitudes towards other countries NZ has ZERO influence with.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127593116/nz-calls-on-russia-to-reduce-risk-of-severe-miscalculation-as-troops-mass-at-ukraine-border

[TheDemonLord]

FFS, Bitches sit down, shut up and get shit done here in NZ rather than expounding bullshit meaningless ineffective platitudes towards other countries NZ has ZERO influence with.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127593116/nz-calls-on-russia-to-reduce-risk-of-severe-miscalculation-as-troops-mass-at-ukraine-border

That's another step in the direction of realizing that Stalinda and Co are following a set of international ideals...

[sugilite]

That's another step in the direction of realizing that Stalinda and Co are following a set of international ideals...

I call it as I see it, I don't overlay a red or blue lens over it first before condemning or approving - eh TDL.

[TheDemonLord]

I call it as I see it, I don't overlay a red or blue lens over it first before condemning or approving - eh TDL.

It's the fact that you are seeing it, because once seen, it cannot be unseen.

[F5 Dave]

It's politics. You have to be seen to do something however pointless, otherwise people will say that we are not objecting the actions of our socialist overlords. Then probably call our PM names to make this connection.

Dammed if you do. Dammed if you don't.

I do wonder about the sanity of people pledging marches to parliament to protest actions of other countries so we oppose them internationally. Saw a poster a few months back to try that. Like Russia or China or USA care a fuck what we say and would stop doing the evil shit they do.

[TheDemonLord]

It's politics. You have to be seen to do something however pointless, otherwise people will say that we are not objecting the actions of our socialist overlords. Then probably call our PM names to make this connection.

Dammed if you do. Dammed if you don't.

Sadly on the first part, you are right - and I think this is one of the key failing of Modern Politics - that the Electorate expect the Government to solve their problems.

However, in this case, I think it's the timing that's the issue Stalinda has just yanked the rug out of everyone for a few cases of the Sniffles. And yes, I am referring to Omicron as the Sniffles.

A Decision that she's coped a rightly deserved bunch of Flak for, even internationally.

So what does she do?

Does she try to speed up the bringing of Kiwis home by adjusting MIQ (since it's failed in it's purpose)?
Does she repeal Mask and Vaccine mandates (since they are clearly inneffective against Omicron as the vector was an Air NZ flight attendant)?
Does she do anything to address the Multitude of unintended consequences of her Authoritarian Policies?

No - she tells Russia to stop being Naughty.

[R650R]

FFS, Bitches sit down, shut up and get shit done here in NZ rather than expounding bullshit meaningless ineffective platitudes towards other countries NZ has ZERO influence with.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/127593116/nz-calls-on-russia-to-reduce-risk-of-severe-miscalculation-as-troops-mass-at-ukraine-border

A nice moments of reasoned sanity there. You can bet the Russians will prob never even receive or acknowledge her comment. She’s too young to remember the NZ butter/Lada fiasco....

Russia won’t invade anyway. There troops on border are like patched gang members sitting in a car in street while the prospects go do dirty work and collect debts.
There has been substantial internal skirmishes going on for a long time by rebel groups, many think Ukraine really is still pretty much Russia absent post Cold War changes. Funny how when yanks do same with cia interfering in other countries no one says anything...,,

[R650R]

Btw great channel here for info on Russian military gear and mindset. Obvious state propoganda but it makes for very interesting watching, “Combat Approved”


https://youtu.be/KTJVIA-tesE

[R650R]

What a Non event zero drama incident.... All that happened here was unjustified dangerous driving (nothing new to Labour Party prime ministers there) passing on the inside and driving on footpath by the PMs driver.
The core issue here is exceptionally poor location management by one would assume DPS and Police. What kind of Nicky mouse operation lets a protected asset be placed in a traffic choke point like that.
If you look closely the PMs wagon is in a parking/drop off frontage type area in front of some establishment and the “offenders” car is out on the proper roadway. They stop in front of the pms car and mouth off in feral fashion but not that loudly to be honest.
If this is “cutting someone off” the poor buggers manning *555 are going to be busy for years to come.
“Police are investigating” but will be lucky to make more than a $150 inconsiderate driving charge stick. The “ offender” stops on road (you could have a number of legitimate excuses for that) and it appears a passenger is doing filming and mouthing off. So unless they were foolish enough to brag online in advance and “planned it” then it’s a big nothing legally.
Despite the PM being a protected individual that could be a target the circumstances did NOT warrant driving on footpath in crowded urban area.


https://youtu.be/IvxiC6pHkMk

[pritch]

A Decision that she's coped a rightly deserved bunch of Flak for, even internationally.


Only from misinformed fuckwits who think we are in lockdown. Why someone in the UK who hasn’t even been here in years feels qualified to comment is a mystery. Then again the Brit tabloids are not famous for being factual.

[pritch]

What a Non event zero drama incident.... All that happened here was unjustified dangerous driving (nothing new to Labour Party prime ministers there) passing on the inside and driving on footpath by the PMs driver.
The core issue here is exceptionally poor location management by one would assume DPS and Police. What kind of Nicky mouse operation lets a protected asset be placed in a traffic choke point like that.
If you look closely the PMs wagon is in a parking/drop off frontage type area in front of some establishment and the “offenders” car is out on the proper roadway. They stop in front of the pms car and mouth off in feral fashion but not that loudly to be honest.
If this is “cutting someone off” the poor buggers manning *555 are going to be busy for years to come.
“Police are investigating” but will be lucky to make more than a $150 inconsiderate driving charge stick. The “ offender” stops on road (you could have a number of legitimate excuses for that) and it appears a passenger is doing filming and mouthing off. So unless they were foolish enough to brag online in advance and “planned it” then it’s a big nothing legally.
Despite the PM being a protected individual that could be a target the circumstances did NOT warrant driving on footpath in crowded urban area.



It doesn’t work like that. The PM’s driver, and the DPS, have to assume the situation is a genuine threat. They are entitled to responded accordingly.

It’s not like they can stop and have a discussion about whether the situation is just some feral fuckwits or a genuine terrorist attack in progress.

Of course you could write a letter to the paper complaining about the PM’s vehicle driving on the footpath.

[TheDemonLord]

Only from misinformed fuckwits who think we are in lockdown. Why someone in the UK who hasn’t even been here in years feels qualified to comment is a mystery. Then again the Brit tabloids are not famous for being factual.

Funny, the people I watched who grilled Jacinda said nothing about Lockdowns, only that she's a zealot and is ruining the country.

[pritch]

Funny, the people I watched who grilled Jacinda said nothing about Lockdowns, only that she's a zealot and is ruining the country.

The two UK articles I read both claimed we were in lockdown. It seems they guessed what “red” meant rather than checking. If the people you are quoting used the word ‘zealot’ they are even more stupid than the two I read.

[TheDemonLord]

The two UK articles I read both claimed we were in lockdown. It seems they guessed what “red” meant rather than checking. If the people you are quoting used the word ‘zealot’ they are even more stupid than the two I read.

Actually, slight correction - the phrase they used was 'Matyring herself and her country for a failed Covid Strategy' and pointing out:

"Despite a high vaccination rate — 93% of people aged over 12 years — and the arrival of a milder strain, restrictions are only getting harsher."

Again, no mention of Lockdown, but an entirely factual series of Statements.

[R650R]

It doesn’t work like that. The PM’s driver, and the DPS, have to assume the situation is a genuine threat. They are entitled to responded accordingly.

It’s not like they can stop and have a discussion about whether the situation is just some feral fuckwits or a genuine terrorist attack in progress.

Of course you could write a letter to the paper complaining about the PM’s vehicle driving on the footpath.

I get that but it obviously wasn’t deemed a “ genuine threat” by the security detail. Police only investigating after the video surfaced embarrassing the PM.
The security detail obviously assumed they were just loud mouth ferals otherwise a back up security car or police would have immediately pounced an executed an armed vehicle stop on the “threat”.

My beef is with the media blowing it up into a story when this kinda crap happen s every day out on roads

[James Deuce]

My beef is with the media blowing it up into a story when this kinda crap happen s every day out on roads
You are not wrong there. Javelins should be legal. Not the pointy stick ones. The handheld anti-vehicle go boom ones.

[husaberg]

My beef is with the media blowing it up into a story when this kinda crap happen s every day out on roads
You mean like harping on about a silly old scrubber tarts vehicle speeding 20 plus years ago.... yeah that would be tragic.;)



All that happened here was unjustified dangerous driving (nothing new to Labour Party prime ministers there)

[James Deuce]

You mean like harping on about a silly old scrubber tarts vehicle speeding 20 plus years ago.... yeah that would be tragic.;)
He shoulda Javelined her

[husaberg]

He shoulda Javelined her

I am pretty sure he would have anted to give her a little poke.

i think we had karl gustofs (Sp) and the LAW.
i seem to remember one wire guided similar beast was mounted on some m113 or Scorpions.
maybe the karls were guided, the wasp helicopters had something)

google says homing pigeon torpedo's and old spice cans for the wasp
google indicates no guidance for karls
no wire guided anything on the m113 and scorpeins but i did learn the our Scorpions had a 4.2 liter jag engine
and the aussies mounted the scorpion turrets on M113.

[James Deuce]

From my New Year NI800 adventure. Stopped in on the way home.

[husaberg]

From my New Year NI800 adventure. Stopped in on the way home.

the scorpions camo looks pretty amateur?

here is something i also seen on the google search
m113 logging skidder /fire fighter variant
350485350486

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variants_of_the_M113_armored_personnel_carrier

[Kickaha]

From my New Year NI800 adventure. Stopped in on the way home.

Apparently every vehicle there still goes as well

[TheDemonLord]

You are not wrong there. Javelins should be legal. Not the pointy stick ones. The handheld anti-vehicle go boom ones.

Hmmm Javelins are pretty pricey.

I've always been of the opinion that a Ma Deuce mounted to a Motorcycle would rapidly improve the Driving quality in this country.

Via Self Improvement or via evolution...

[James Deuce]

the scorpions camo looks pretty amateur?

All camo is pretty amateur. It's designed to hide a fragile asset as long as possible and applied by 17 year old with stencils. That was the final camo pattern and was modelled on a universal uniform pattern current at the time.

[James Deuce]

Apparently every vehicle there still goes as well
One would hope not as they have all sat in the same spot unmoved for years and the bottom of the road wheels are rotten on everything except the Centurion.

[husaberg]

According to video they have 14 M113 out of 70 ish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhNEzb-PX9E
Some do go

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afskxwx5r5U
Bren gun carrier sounds like a Flat head V8 (which i guess it is)

[pritch]

I am pretty sure he would have anted to give her a little poke.

i think we had karl gustofs (Sp) and the LAW.
i seem to remember one wire guided similar beast was mounted on some m113 or Scorpions.
maybe the karls were guided, the wasp helicopters had something)

google says homing pigeon torpedo's and old spice cans for the wasp
google indicates no guidance for karls
no wire guided anything on the m113 and scorpeins but i did learn the our Scorpions had a 4.2 liter jag engine
and the aussies mounted the scorpion turrets on M113.

The army may still have the Carl Gustav, I don't know. The main anti-tank weapon is the "shoot and scoot" computer controlled Javelin. Ours will be an earlier version than is currently being shipped to Ukraine in numbers.

[James Deuce]

Bren gun carrier sounds like a Flat head V8 (which i guess it is)
Yes it is. Best engine apart from the Meteor that the Brits put in an AFV in WWII. Everything else they did was overly complex and still underpowered.

[husaberg]

Yes it is. Best engine apart from the Meteor that the Brits put in an AFV in WWII. Everything else they did was overly complex and still underpowered.

Cheers i have heard that a lot of farmers used them for hedge trimers and all sorts of shit after WW2
I had never seen a video of one moving under its own power.
I know of a few quads powered by Flat heads and not sure what the chev ones had likely the old Six.
My dad used to drive a GMC 6x6 with a later blue flame as they were very underpowered to do 20T loads that kiwis did in 4 ton? trucks
The Flathead sounds different as it has a cross plane crankshaft a fair few years ahead of the rest of the bikes.:msn-wink:

My Bro said we had a few M113 with the turret off the Scorpion but it cracked the alloy hull, so they modified them to ambulance's
He sad they converted the Aussie ones here the same.

[pritch]

The officer appointed to examine what was available and recommend his choice prior to the M113s being purchased was the late Harry Russell MC. It can't have been a difficult decision, most of our allies were using them at the time. He certainly did a better job than whoever recommended the LAV which it subsequently transpired will not fit inside a C130. Ooops!

[pete376403]

A relly who worked at Serco (and now LockheedMartin) in Trentham told a funny about the M113s - they were equipped with underbody armour which was removed from new and put into storage. Some time later the armour was to be refitted for the machines being sent to (somewhere dangerous). Armour nowhere to be found, all pilfered to make barbeque plates. He does a bit of work on the LAVs, too. They sound interesting.

[husaberg]

A relly who worked at Serco (and now LockheedMartin) in Trentham told a funny about the M113s - they were equipped with underbody armour which was removed from new and put into storage. Some time later the armour was to be refitted for the machines being sent to (somewhere dangerous). Armour nowhere to be found, all pilfered to make barbeque plates. He does a bit of work on the LAVs, too. They sound interesting.

Aussie had some made up while in Vietnam as it wasn't so good with mines, as you would expect. especially the us ones they used to dig up and place against the Yanks.
They too put them in storage when its not getting used in war zones and it weighs i think 3/4 to 1 ton and somewhat it limits its ability to maneuver or do other stuff no need to carry it when there are no mines.
i guess there stuff was likely sold off for the social club as well.
From what i understand i think the other version the poms had of the scorpion for recon has never been replaced as no one builds a replacement.
I think the scorpions biggest fault was the Jag engine later ones were (i want to say cummings powered) they were chosen t fit in a Herc.

[F5 Dave]

An old boss, welshman in brit army gold us a story well over 20 yrs ago, so I'll make up some bits.

Having been caught with thier pants down in last two WWs the Brits put away some army reserves. Eventually these all got old. So they pulled out a couple of brand new (NOS) Cheftain/Sherman/Centurion/insert best guess here. And drove them to Salisbury plain for target practice. They were so hopelessly unreliable they had to change the engines (maybe removable?) to get there.

And blew them to bits.

Anyway, I blame Jacinda.

[husaberg]

An old boss, welshman in brit army gold us a story well over 20 yrs ago, so I'll make up some bits.

Having been caught with thier pants down in last two WWs the Brits put away some army reserves. Eventually these all got old. So they pulled out a couple of brand new (NOS) Cheftain/Sherman/Centurion/insert best guess here. And drove them to Salisbury plain for target practice. They were so hopelessly unreliable they had to change the engines (maybe removable?) to get there.

And blew them to bits.

Anyway, I blame Jacinda.

pretty sure there is a reason we drive about in Japanese cars now.
to my mind it wasn't about the wages it was because the pom directors wee more worried about shareholder (normally toffs like themselves) returns than investing in the machinersy needed for mass production.
Its not the quality the fact that most of the rally cars and F1 manufacturers and designers are still based in the UK proves that.
it only took a few years to kill BSA form the worlds biggest to out of business due on the one part one bike that no one asked for that the guy that designed it want up to it for that never made production yet they had invested in the tooling and parts. when all they had to do was keep making what they knew people wanted in a quantity to fill orders.

[TheDemonLord]

Eventually these all got old. So they pulled out a couple of brand new (NOS) Cheftain/Sherman/Centurion/insert best guess here. And drove them to Salisbury plain for target practice. They were so hopelessly unreliable they had to change the engines (maybe removable?) to get there.

Sounds suspiciously like the notoriously unreliable Leyland L60 engine, used in the Chieftain. It was designed to meet NATO specs of being Multi-Fuel, then NATO changed it's mind and went with conventional Diesel for the likes of Leopard and Leclerc. Anyways, the Engine was so bad that at one point it had a 90% breakdown rate, it's one redeeming feature was that it could be swapped out as an entire powerpack in a couple of hours.

[TheDemonLord]

Seen today somewhere else:


If Jacinda has spread Covid around, it will be the first thing she's successfully delivered to regular New Zealanders

[pritch]

Having been caught with thier pants down in last two WWs the Brits put away some army reserves.

Way back in history there used to be a full Brit armoured unit worth of tanks mothballed in Singapore. All the extras included: recovery vehicles, flails, the whole works. Every few years a cavalry unit would fly out from Britain, get the tanks out of mothballs, do exercises with the then resident infantry units, put the tanks back in mothballs and fly home.

The unit I saw was a hussars unit. They were an interesting lot. The officers had to have a private income of X many thousand quid per year, because they would not be able to live in the manner expected of them on army pay.

I'd assumed that the hussars units might have since been consigned to history, but it seems there is at least one extant.

Jacinda probably wouldn't approve.

[TheDemonLord]

I'd assumed that the hussars units might have since been consigned to history, but it seems there is at least one extant.


They should get some Wings....

[pete376403]

Way back in history there used to be a full Brit armoured unit worth of tanks mothballed in Singapore. All the extras included: recovery vehicles, flails, the whole works. Every few years a cavalry unit would fly out from Britain, get the tanks out of mothballs, do exercises with the then resident infantry units, put the tanks back in mothballs and fly home. .

Singapore artillary send their entire lot over here once a year to hold exercises at Waiouru. The pack it up and take it home again.

[F5 Dave]

Except for the last 2 years one presumes. Because of covid.
Which is Jacindas fault obvs.

[TheDemonLord]

So, today - I went to check on the date for the Taupo Lake swim, which I'd signed up for and was really looking forward to (4.2 Km across Lake Taupo), my goal was to swim it in 1 hr and 40 minutes (cut-off time is 2 hours).

Fucking Cancelled due to the stupid as fuck traffic light system.

Seriously, an Outdoor event, in Lake Taupo (y'know - so big can be seen on a global map - plenty of room for social distancing) and it's cancelled.

And all for the goddamn Sniffles. When the country is at 90% vaccinated.

This shit can fuck right off.

[sugilite]

So, today - I went to check on the date for the Taupo Lake swim, which I'd signed up for and was really looking forward to (4.2 Km across Lake Taupo), my goal was to swim it in 1 hr and 40 minutes (cut-off time is 2 hours).

Fucking Cancelled due to the stupid as fuck traffic light system.

Seriously, an Outdoor event, in Lake Taupo (y'know - so big can be seen on a global map - plenty of room for social distancing) and it's cancelled.

And all for the goddamn Sniffles. When the country is at 90% vaccinated.

This shit can fuck right off.

Dry your eyes and come to the track day at Hampton Downs on Saturday, I'll see you there :ride:

[TheDemonLord]

Dry your eyes and come to the track day at Hampton Downs on Saturday, I'll see you there :ride:

Heh, thanks for the offer - this saturday will be spent DIY-ing.

As for the Swim - I've always wanted to do one of the ocean swim series, but due to getting a tummy bug at the beach when I was younger, salt water makes me vomit. So fresh water swimming it is.

My all-time swim record was 5 Km (took about 3 hours) and my goal has been to get my 1 Km time under 20 minutes, at the moment it's hovering around 23-24 minutes.

I've been training at my local pools since about October/November - including a solid hour swimming without touching the bottom, bought myself a wetsuit for it etc. etc.

TL;DR I was really looking forward to the challenge as it's the first time I've done something like this, and it's no secret (even on here) that I'm on the portly/fluffy side of things.

It's the absurdity of it all that is really grating on me.

[neels]

Heh, thanks for the offer - this saturday will be spent DIY-ing.

As for the Swim - I've always wanted to do one of the ocean swim series, but due to getting a tummy bug at the beach when I was younger, salt water makes me vomit. So fresh water swimming it is.

My all-time swim record was 5 Km (took about 3 hours) and my goal has been to get my 1 Km time under 20 minutes, at the moment it's hovering around 23-24 minutes.

I've been training at my local pools since about October/November - including a solid hour swimming without touching the bottom, bought myself a wetsuit for it etc. etc.

TL;DR I was really looking forward to the challenge as it's the first time I've done something like this, and it's no secret (even on here) that I'm on the portly/fluffy side of things.

It's the absurdity of it all that is really grating on me.

The list of cancelled events, that people have put considerable time and expense into, continues to grow. Sadly most event organisers aren't willing to risk the fines for non compliance, regardless of their personal views on the situation they really don't have a choice but to comply.

Imagine how much fun it is living in the south during the current traffic lights, and the last lockdown with no cases in the entire South Island but still cancelling outdoor events. Particularly fun because the whole country was for some bizarre political reason tied to the Auckland settings, and the fucking Aucklanders wouldn't behave themselves and kept spreading it, so fucked it for the rest

[TheDemonLord]

regardless of their personal views on the situation they really don't have a choice but to comply.

All I'm going to say is:

Canadian Trucks.


Imagine how much fun it is living in the south during the current traffic lights, and the last lockdown with no cases in the entire South Island but still cancelling outdoor events. Particularly fun because the whole country was for some bizarre political reason tied to the Auckland settings, and the fucking Aucklanders wouldn't behave themselves and kept spreading it, so fucked it for the rest

It's almost like Labour are the party of the Metropolitan middle class, university educated Brainlets...

[pete376403]

This - and the fucking Aucklanders wouldn't behave themselves and kept spreading it, so fucked it for the rest

[neels]

All I'm going to say is:

Canadian Trucks.
So what you're suggesting is a convoy of swimming events, outdoor concerts and arts festivals should obstruct roads, or perhaps lakes and parks?

[TheDemonLord]

So what you're suggesting is a convoy of swimming events, outdoor concerts and arts festivals should obstruct roads, or perhaps lakes and parks?

It would be a good addition to the other protests that are falling on deaf ears.

[F5 Dave]

This - and the fucking Aucklanders wouldn't behave themselves and kept spreading it, so fucked it for the rest

Actually it's a big place. Let's give most of them the benefit of doubt and say Some cunts didn't behave themselves as they heard its only just a sniffle on the Internet and are generally inconsiderate (along with the poor people who innocently got it from these sort of actions of others).

[TheDemonLord]

Actually it's a big place. Let's give most of them the benefit of doubt and say Some cunts didn't behave themselves as they heard its only just a sniffle on the Internet and are generally inconsiderate (along with the poor people who innocently got it from these sort of actions of others).

I think it's probably more fair to say that it was inevitably going to be Auckland because:

1: It has the largest ingress of people from overseas
2: It has the highest population density
3: The Vaccine doesn't stop transmission
4: Nor does non N95 masks
5: Or contact Tracing
6: Or Vaccine passports

[R650R]

All I'm going to say is:

Canadian Trucks.

...

Yes and what an amazing turnout especially given the rep of Canadians (no offence intended) and having someone like Trudeau as the PM.
Truckers are on the frontline, obviously they are not seeing the same fear that the govtvis selling...
Truckers get to talk uncensored on the cb radio and in truck stops. You’d only need onectrucker on the 401 transcanada highway talking about how aunt Betty direction from covid unvaxxed and they would be lining up to take it.
This is also why Uber was invented to destroy the taxi industry. You can’t have a group of independent people out there who get to meet often and have the pulse on the true feelings of citizens.....

[Berries]

As for the Swim - I've always wanted to do one of the ocean swim series, but due to getting a tummy bug at the beach when I was younger, salt water makes me vomit.
You can probably get a vaccination for that.

[FJRider]

I think it's probably more fair to say that it was inevitably going to be Auckland because:

1: It has the largest ingress of people from overseas
2: It has the highest population density
3: The Vaccine doesn't stop transmission
4: Nor does non N95 masks
5: Or contact Tracing
6: Or Vaccine passports

Auckland was always going to be the problem. I wouldn't say inevitable ... but that would have been the way to bet. Odds on favourite :calm:

1. It has the largest ingress of people from areas covid has the predominantly higher infection/death rates. USA and Europe for example.

2. You mean the largest City in NZ by way of population. Population density doesn't feature. Those that live in the denser populated areas ... can't afford to travel far.

3. Aside from the fact that that applies throughout the country ... Auckland is no more affected by transmission ... than ANY other populated parts of NZ. They just get more infected people going there.

4. They can be found in OTHER parts of NZ. Dorkland don't have them all. They're not that special.

5. Contact tracing is not done for the purpose of stopping transmission. Don't sign in anywhere ... and you won't be notified if an infected person was in places you went.

6. The vaccine passports (At best) proves the person named has had some of the vaccinations. (refer to your number 3.)

[TheDemonLord]

2. You mean the largest City in NZ by way of population. Population density doesn't feature. Those that live in the denser populated areas ... can't afford to travel far.

No, I definitely mean Population Density.



3. Aside from the fact that that applies throughout the country ... Auckland is no more affected by transmission ... than ANY other populated parts of NZ. They just get more infected people going there.


Except it has more people, in closer proximity, therefore the chance of transmission is greater.

Add in that the were always going to be the most likely vector for ingress, it stands to reason.

My other points were just about the hypocrisy of the 'rules' designed to 'protect us'.

As has been proven, Mask Mandates, Vaccine passports and contact tracing don't work.

[F5 Dave]

3 and 4, but it reduces it. Are you Joe Rogan? You're just promoting misinformation which is why you on ignore Tit.

[TheDemonLord]

3 and 4, but it reduces it.

Reduces (debatable) but does not stop.

And therein lies the problem.

See, we hear about 'Community transmission' and 'Rising community cases' - and that these are the justification for the continued sledgehammer on our Civil liberties.

But those measures taken, ostensibly to 'stop' the virus, do not stop the virus.

Therefore the supposed moral legitimacy as to why these measures are in place evaporates. The reality is that even with the draconian measures in place, we are going to have community cases. The vector for Omicron proves that, it came in via an Air NZ Steward who:

1: Would have been Double vaxed (otherwise no job)
2: Would have been Double vaxed (or not allowed on the plane)
3: Would have been wearing a Mask
4: Would have only been in contact with people who were double vaxed (or not allowed on the plane)
5: Would have only been in contact with people wearing masks

If the measures don't stop it, then we have to accept it's going to be in the community. Just like the Cold, just like the Flu. And for reference before we worry about floods of people in the Hospitals - 70% less hospital admittances compared to it's predecessor.

If we accept it is in the community - then the Traffic light system and the Ahren passes can all fuck off.


Are you Joe Rogan? You're just promoting misinformation which is why you on ignore Tit.

No, I'm actually promoting what the science has consistently said:

Only N95 masks, properly fitted and worn 'stop' transmission, and vaccine efficacy (with regard to transmission) wears off *significantly* after 2-3 months. going from about an 80% reduction in transmission (compared to an unvaccinated person) at the 2 week mark after the 2nd dose, to 20% reduction (compared to an unvaccinated person) at around the 3 month mark. Hence the need for Boosters.

And as proof of this - you can go back over a year and see my opinion on masks clearly outlined, it hasn't changed (because the underlying science hasn't changed), whereas the public narrative or the Approvedtm misinformation has.

But I'm genuinely flattered that you compared me to Joe. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, the man has integrity and always honestly engages and challenges his guests.

[Oakie]

Seeing as it's the Jacinda thread ...

I had to forfeit my .22 semi-automatic rifle a couple of years ago to make NZ a safer place in which to live. Saw on the news a couple of nights ago that 2021 was the year with the highest number of firearms related crimes in NZ. Ever. That didn't work did it!

Can I have my dear old rifle back now?

[pritch]

it stands to reason.


Fuck! It's Alf Garnet.

[FJRider]

No, I definitely mean Population Density.

I've been in smaller cities with larger populations ... Auckland hasn't a claim to having a dense population. The old "Kiwi quarter acre" tradition see's to that.

One or two I know of that are living in Auckland ... are pretty dense though ... ;)


Except it has more people, in closer proximity, therefore the chance of transmission is greater.

Add in that the were always going to be the most likely vector for ingress, it stands to reason.

And the cases found in the South island were usually of Auckland origin. It might of helped if the Aucklander's actually followed the rules. There would have been fewer cases in the community in the SOUTH ISLAND.


My other points were just about the hypocrisy of the 'rules' designed to 'protect us'.

As has been proven, Mask Mandates, Vaccine passports and contact tracing don't work.

Masks ... can't stop the virus if they're not worn ... or worn/used correctly. Reduces rather than removes the risk of transmission.
The other way to go is have TOTAL lock down. Although that might be a tad unpopular.

Vaccine passports show the named person on it has at least been been vaccinated. It lets you into businesses ... so I see no issue with that.

Contact tracing helps if you've left your details where a person known to have covid has been. Then you get called and you get tested if there was. That shouldn't be difficult to do ... or understand. If you don't leave your details ... you just put yourself at risk. Ignorance is bliss eh .. !!

[Laava]

Seeing as it's the Jacinda thread ...

I had to forfeit my .22 semi-automatic rifle a couple of years ago to make NZ a safer place in which to live. Saw on the news a couple of nights ago that 2021 was the year with the highest number of firearms related crimes in NZ. Ever. That didn't work did it!

Can I have my dear old rifle back now?
Why did you forfeit? Was the magazine unalterably bigger than 10 rounds?
But yes, disappointing the firearm crime stats. It could have been worse maybe with more guns in the general population?

[TheDemonLord]

It could have been worse maybe with more guns in the general population?

Or it could have been better if the Police went after the people that commit 97% of Firearm crime in NZ.

But that would be hard and dangerous, so better to go after those law-abiding citizens, whilst the crims take potshots at each other and nevermind the bystanders.

[TheDemonLord]

I've been in smaller cities with larger populations ... Auckland hasn't a claim to having a dense population. The old "Kiwi quarter acre" tradition see's to that.

Yeah... Nah.

Auckland has the highest population density in NZ. Feel free to look it up. It's not dense by international standards, but we aren't comparing it to international cities, are we?


And the cases found in the South island were usually of Auckland origin. It might of helped if the Aucklander's actually followed the rules. There would have been fewer cases in the community in the SOUTH ISLAND.

Or, just throwing this out there:

If the rules worked...


Masks ... can't stop the virus if they're not worn ... or worn/used correctly. Reduces rather than removes the risk of transmission.
The other way to go is have TOTAL lock down. Although that might be a tad unpopular.

Or you go the Freedom route: 90+% (according to the stats you posted in the other thread) are vaccinated, so we should be fine.


Vaccine passports show the named person on it has at least been been vaccinated. It lets you into businesses ... so I see no issue with that.

It's predicated on a series of now proven false premises, that requires a business to discriminate based on a personal choice. It was Immoral before we had proof it didn't work, now it's unconscionable.


Contact tracing helps if you've left your details where a person known to have covid has been. Then you get called and you get tested if there was. That shouldn't be difficult to do ... or understand. If you don't leave your details ... you just put yourself at risk. Ignorance is bliss eh .. !!

Indeed.

One day Captain Nemo might have to get alerted, but I've heard he's vaccinated and not worried.

[FJRider]

... It's not dense by international standards ...

My case proven by YOUR own admission. However ... I do seem to find some Aucklander's particularly dense though.


If the rules worked...

IF Aucklander's actually followed the rules you mean ... they might work BETTER.

Just saying ...


Or you go the Freedom route: 90+% (according to the stats you posted in the other thread) are vaccinated, so we should be fine.

If you're vaccinated ... with a covid passport to confirm that ... all the "Freedom" you need is available.


... it's predicated on a series of now proven false premises, that requires a business to discriminate based on a personal choice. It was Immoral before we had proof it didn't work, now it's unconscionable.

Not a personal choice ... if they want to stay IN business and making money ... THEY follow the rules. The ones still open have proved that works.

A few businesses have come unstuck (and closed) for NOT checking the passports. The ones that comply ... do so for reasons that may not be their own opinions ... and may differ from their actual preferred choice of action.

As always ... making money IS a major part/intention of running a business.

Go figure.


Indeed.

One day Captain Nemo might have to get alerted, but I've heard he's vaccinated and not worried.

I know him well (Brother in Law) BUT ... he WILL then need to get tested ... and go into isolation until the results come out.

[TheDemonLord]

My case proven by YOUR own admission.

Not at all... Since we are comparing NZ with NZ. So denser city = more cases.

The only case you are proving is that the relative insulation we've had from Covid is more to do with Geographic features than government policy.


IF Aucklander's actually followed the rules you mean ... they might work BETTER.

Just saying ...

The problem is that the majority did follow the rules, but the rules are so useless that it only took a miniscule amount of non-compliance for it to break.


If you're vaccinated ... with a covid passport to confirm that ... all the "Freedom" you need is available.

That 'IF' is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting. And Freedom isn't conditional by it's very definition.


Not a personal choice ... if they want to stay IN business and making money ... THEY follow the rules. The ones still open have proved that works.

A few businesses have come unstuck (and closed) for NOT checking the passports. The ones that comply ... do so for reasons that may not be their own opinions ... and may differ from their actual preferred choice of action.

'We didn't agree with leading the Jews into those *ahem* Showers, but it was the rules so we did it'

Moral Cowardice in the face of Tyranny.


I know him well (Brother in Law) BUT ... he WILL then need to get tested ... and go into isolation until the results come out.

Will he?

[FJRider]

Not at all... Since we are comparing NZ with NZ. So denser city = more cases.

I said I've been in smaller cities with larger populations. I never said where ... and Dorklands population density has little to do with the number of covid positive people coming into Dorkland.

And any infected person going into any city or town ... is likely to infect others and transmit the virus. Be it Christchurch, Nelson or Dorkland.


The only case you are proving is that the relative insulation we've had from Covid is more to do with Geographic features than government policy.

As above. The numbers of infected people arriving at one (International) airport makes all the difference. And Dorkland has had plenty arriving.


The problem is that the majority did follow the rules, but the rules are so useless that it only took a miniscule amount of non-compliance for it to break.

Sneaking out of MIQ ... visiting nightclubs before they were given the all clear is hardly "Minuscule" ... but regardless of why ... they knew they were not following the rules. Just like being caught traveling just a "Little" over the speed limit.


That 'IF' is doing an awful lot of heavy lifting. And Freedom isn't conditional by it's very definition.

I've never been denied access to any places I wanted to visit ... sounds like freedom to me. And I've seen plenty DENIED access to some places ... and were free to leave before the Police were called.

Access allowed to those WITH a covid pass IS conditional actually. Even freedom has it's rules of conduct in any society.


'We didn't agree with leading the Jews into those *ahem* Showers, but it was the rules so we did it'

WE ... ??? I wasn't there and neither were you.


Moral Cowardice in the face of Tyranny.

But the pay was good.


Will he?

He's in Dunedin. We follow the rules.

[TheDemonLord]

I said I've been in smaller cities with larger populations. I never said where ... and Dorklands population density has little to do with the number of covid positive people coming into Dorkland.

And any infected person going into any city or town ... is likely to infect others and transmit the virus. Be it Christchurch, Nelson or Dorkland.

As above. The numbers of infected people arriving at one (International) airport makes all the difference. And Dorkland has had plenty arriving.

Except density increases each interaction. More interactions = more chances to pass it on.


Sneaking out of MIQ ... visiting nightclubs before they were given the all clear is hardly "Minuscule" ... but regardless of why ... they knew they were not following the rules. Just like being caught traveling just a "Little" over the speed limit.

Sure... Person A breaks the rules (naughty naughty), and encounters Persons B, C and D who are all following the rules.

If the rules work, then persons B, C and D won't pass it on.
If the rules don't work, then persons B, C and D will pass it on.

Guess which one happened....




I've never been denied access to any places I wanted to visit ... sounds like freedom to me. And I've seen plenty DENIED access to some places ... and were free to leave before the Police were called.

Access allowed to those WITH a covid pass IS conditional actually.

So it's not Freedom then.



Even freedom has it's rules of conduct in any society.

Yep, can't have those Jews infecting our Aryan spaces...

[FJRider]

Except density increases each interaction. More interactions = more chances to pass it on.

The more people (Aucklanders) that break the rules ... the more interactions you'll get. And the more it spreads. Total lockdown of Auckland is needed now. That'll teach the fuckwits.


Sure... Person A breaks the rules (naughty naughty), and encounters Persons B, C and D who are all following the rules.

Person "A" in Auckland. I rest my case for their total lockdown.


If the rules work, then persons B, C and D won't pass it on.

Then plan A should be ... Follow the rules. Oh wait ... IT IS.


If the rules don't work, then persons B, C and D will pass it on.

Rules can only work if people follow the rules. And too many don't. But it's not their fault ... apparently.

It's the density of pricks in Auckland that don't follow the rules ... that is the problem.


Guess which one happened....

See above.

Dunedin follows the rules ... no (reported) covid cases here. See ... the rules DO work ... you just have to follow the rules.


So simple. Even you should understand that.



So it's not Freedom then.

I can go where I please ... sounds like freedom to me. But it's Dunedin ... not Auckland ... It might be different up there.

[TheDemonLord]

The more people (Aucklanders) that break the rules ... the more interactions you'll get. And the more it spreads. Total lockdown of Auckland is needed now. That'll teach the fuckwits.

Person "A" in Auckland. I rest my case for their total lockdown.

Then plan A should be ... Follow the rules. Oh wait ... IT IS.

Rules can only work if people follow the rules. And too many don't. But it's not their fault ... apparently.

It's the density of pricks in Auckland that don't follow the rules ... that is the problem.

See above.

Dunedin follows the rules ... no (reported) covid cases here. See ... the rules DO work ... you just have to follow the rules.

The only thing that isn't their fault is that the rules don't work. Dunedin has half the population density of Auckland, that alone is either a reduction of 50% (if it scales linearly) or potentially much more (if it's a square function, which I suspect it might be)

But again, if the rules worked, isolated rule breakers wouldn't be an issue. But they don't. And should be scrapped.


I can go where I please ... sounds like freedom to me. But it's Dunedin ... not Auckland ... It might be different up there.

It might be, I wouldn't know. But can you go where you please without showing your papers?

[Oakie]

Why did you forfeit? Was the magazine unalterably bigger than 10 rounds? Yep. 15 rounds and not really alterable. I explored getting a 10 round mag but didn't have any luck.

[neels]

Please, can we keep the multiquoting covid arguments to the covid thread, and keep this one on track for those that want to bag Aunty Cindy and her communist ways.

Three threads of the same arguments is, IMHO, totally unecessary.

[Indiana_Jones]

But the plebs love Labour, they gave them 50% of the vote, surely they don't have buyers remorse?

[Kickaha]

But the plebs love Labour, they gave them 50% of the vote, surely they don't have buyers remorse?

How do you know it was all the plebs ?

[TheDemonLord]

Please, can we keep the multiquoting covid arguments to the covid thread, and keep this one on track for those that want to bag Aunty Cindy and her communist ways.

Three threads of the same arguments is, IMHO, totally unecessary.

Fair enough - although personally, it's relevant to Stalinda - Communists always revert to top-down government with more and more beaurocracy, regulation and restrictions.

[TheDemonLord]

But the plebs love Labour, they gave them 50% of the vote, surely they don't have buyers remorse?

It's the university educated middle class that's the issue.

Most of the Lower classes aren't onboard with Labour's more radical positions (just look what happened in the UK), but Labour still has the veneer of working class support.

However people like the Farmers, Truckers, Small Business owner - they are starting to see through the facade.

[FJRider]

One would hope not as they have all sat in the same spot unmoved for years and the bottom of the road wheels are rotten on everything except the Centurion.

I was in the Army in Waiouru when it opened. They drove all the vehicles to the Museum.

Including the Centurian. It was the last one they had .. that moved under it's own power.

[R650R]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/127701161/unemployment-insurance-the-rorts-to-come

[mashman]

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/127701161/unemployment-insurance-the-rorts-to-come

Could be the beginnings of a Targeted Basic Income. lol@rort potential. I'd love to know how it's being paid for, coz I can't see any insurance company or bank or any other financial entity underwriting such a bonkers application of a helicopter drop.

[R650R]

Could be the beginnings of a Targeted Basic Income. lol@rort potential. I'd love to know how it's being paid for, coz I can't see any insurance company or bank or any other financial entity underwriting such a bonkers application of a helicopter drop.

Cmon you know how it’s paid for doesn’t matter to Commie dictators 😂😂😂

IÂ’d say about a 3% tax on personal income.... thatÂ’s slightly below what commercial brokers recommend you should be willing to spend for private loss of income insurance. So just like ACC motorbike premiums the more successful and less likely to claim the more you will pay vs the leaner biker on unregistered shitter with canvas tyres.....
Tag on a big speech straight from the horses mouth about equality and the creation of a flexible labour pool where people are alledgely more willing to travel for and take up shorter term employment/seasonal work....
My job is slightly seasonal and my employer would love the massive cost saving to be able to give me a four month holiday paid for by the govt knowing I’ll be back again when “ things get better” 😂😂😂😂
I canÂ’t see how they can justify this at all though given across all industries thereÂ’s a massive shortage of skilled labour let alone ones that can pass a drug test and actually turn up to job interview.
Well we seen the results of kiwibuild (100,000homesxyeah right), ending child poverty, affordable homes, crimewave yeah there’s no way this could be anything g but a success 😂😂😂😉

[mashman]

Cmon you know how it’s paid for doesn’t matter to Commie dictators 😂😂😂

IÂ’d say about a 3% tax on personal income.... thatÂ’s slightly below what commercial brokers recommend you should be willing to spend for private loss of income insurance. So just like ACC motorbike premiums the more successful and less likely to claim the more you will pay vs the leaner biker on unregistered shitter with canvas tyres.....
Tag on a big speech straight from the horses mouth about equality and the creation of a flexible labour pool where people are alledgely more willing to travel for and take up shorter term employment/seasonal work....
My job is slightly seasonal and my employer would love the massive cost saving to be able to give me a four month holiday paid for by the govt knowing I’ll be back again when “ things get better” 😂😂😂😂
I canÂ’t see how they can justify this at all though given across all industries thereÂ’s a massive shortage of skilled labour let alone ones that can pass a drug test and actually turn up to job interview.
Well we seen the results of kiwibuild (100,000homesxyeah right), ending child poverty, affordable homes, crimewave yeah there’s no way this could be anything g but a success 😂😂😂😉

Semantics probably, but I reckon that they very much care how it's paid for (support is important after all, else truckers), but don't care where it comes from. Bottom line: Money, like bitcoin, will be created on the basis of perception. So long as people don't complain (which they won't given their diverse portfolio of a never ending stream of only ever increasing in value into the long term digital currency portfolio), they'll print it how they like simply to keep the economy going without having to constantly make excuses that defy free market theology. They have no choice. There is no other source of justifiable money creation. QE is fucked. Capitalists are easy to take along for the ride, because they don't actually know where money comes from nor how it circulates around the economy v's the true value of what's being sold etc..., because when they think about the economics highlight just how silly capitalism is to be using in this day and age.

Commies don't use financial autonomy as tools to lead the people into communism. Totalitarians do... but hey, digital currency beyond your wildest dreams... you're gonna prove Klaus right arencha? You already are, Comrade :shifty:

[R650R]

While some are laughing at the freedom protest lazily labelling it as anti vax itÂ’s foolish for anyone to dismiss that we have a serious problem brewing in this country.
Look in the video and see how many people lining the streets to greet convoy, in the rain! NZ people are not into protesting we donÂ’t like to make fuss. ItÂ’s hard to hide the numbers despite media efforts....
ItÂ’s so bad and the govt is so worried they ordered police to stand down with a one newscast reporter saying no police were visible at all. That is UNPRECEDENTED for any NZ protest action, even parking wardens stayed away and they must be pretty thick skinned and tough characters.
Just think about that a govt to scared to let it’s police near a “ minor” protest.....
We seem happy to let gangs, boyracers, bad HNZ tenants, protestors Et al to run wild and free in this country. Just like hipster parents who won’t discipline their kids where in for a world of trouble when “lil Johnny” really decides to play up.....
ItÂ’s almost as if she is deliberately letting the foxes into the henhouse in preparation for some kind of false flag event that will see rest of our rights taken away......
IÂ’m neither for or against the protest merely highlighting this country needs some housekeeping and better leadership. You never have a successful outcome if your dismissive of any groups views....


https://youtu.be/Y_b0x5dOOWQ

[husaberg]

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holly heck bro......

[FJRider]

While some are laughing at the freedom protest lazily ...

Lazily ... is the new New Zealand way.

The main complaint of the protesters ... is their perceived loss of rights. So I guess ... their actions of stopping as many people as they can ... the right to be going about their normal day ... seems fair.

They'll be glad they have facebook to spread the word.

But remember ... those TWO classes are still entitled to vote. That is ... if they are on the Electoral Roll.



Any bets on who will be PM after the next election .. ???



Leave Saturday 23 September 2023 free.

It's the predicted next election date.

[TheDemonLord]

their actions of stopping as many people as they can ... the right to be going about their normal day ... seems fair.

Just Politicians.


Honk Honk.

[pritch]

While some are laughing at the freedom protest lazily labelling it as anti vax itÂ’s foolish for anyone to dismiss that we have a serious problem brewing in this country.


Nah. These misfits are a tiny, statistically insignificant, minority.

The advantage of a convoy as a protest is that it looks big. It's deceptive though, when they all get out of their cars they are just a few no hopers.

You will probably have noticed (well, possibly not) that the policing situation has changed. If it was up to me, fire engines would have arrived with the cops and hosed the fuckwits off.

Some of the protestors are reportedly talking of breaking into Parliament. We appreciate that they are stupid, but it seems they don't even understand the rules of the game.

[TheDemonLord]

You will probably have noticed (well, possibly not) that the policing situation has changed.

It's almost as if there are politically correct Protests (BLM etc.)
and there are the politically incorrect Protests (Anti-Mandate protests)

And yes, the Policing Situation is markedly different. Like one has tacit approval and the other does not...

[pritch]

It's almost as if there are politically correct Protests (BLM etc.)
and there are the politically incorrect Protests (Anti-Mandate protests)

And yes, the Policing Situation is markedly different. Like one has tacit approval and the other does not...

As usual you aren't making sense. Would you like to try that in English?

[pritch]

ItÂ’s so bad and the govt is so worried they ordered police to stand down with a one newscast reporter saying no police were visible at all. That is UNPRECEDENTED for any NZ protest action, even parking wardens stayed away and they must be pretty thick skinned and tough characters.
Just think about that a govt to scared to let it’s police near a “ minor” protest.....


I'd still have used fire trucks.

The protestors are not too bright. One woman holding a sign saying "Love is the answer" is telling journalists that they will be executed.

The situation has changed since the photo was taken, the protestors are trying to shove their way onto the grounds.

[R650R]

Lazily ... is the new New Zealand way.

The main complaint of the protesters ... is their perceived loss of rights. So I guess ... their actions of stopping as many people as they can ... the right to be going about their normal day ... seems fair.

They'll be glad they have facebook to spread the word.

But remember ... those TWO classes are still entitled to vote. That is ... if they are on the Electoral Roll.



Any bets on who will be PM after the next election .. ???



Leave Saturday 23 September 2023 free.

It's the predicted next election date.

Well I’d love to see the TAB odds for sure....

They still have FB yes but that’s fact checking itself out of business, the recent crash in its share price sure shows what intelligent investors think of its future....

The longer this saga drags out the more people will be added to the list of NEVER vote labour again because....
Their small business got smashed out of business by lockdowns and being forced to be the mask and scan stasi.
They never got to the funeral of a loved one
They never got to be in hospital to comfort a loved one dying
Friendships/relationships/jobs lost via mandates and subsequent horrid attitudes to others generated
Home ownership completely disappearing from view
Ute tax
Letting nutter greens get a free ride into power, especially with their latest rubbish about treaty settlements are not and should not ever be final compensation and we must begin selling back land to them with the money we will give them..... it’s like they forgot about the foreshore and seabed debacle....
The three waters bullshit which will not only see our rates rise but we will have to start paying for water

[R650R]

I'd still have used fire trucks.

The protestors ar not too bright. One woman holding a sign saying "Love is the answer" is telling journalists that they will be executed.

The situation has changed since the photo was taken, the protestors are trying to shove their way onto the grounds.

A good leader would have fronted up straight away and said something easy like I’m sorry this has impacted your lives so much but I feel it’s the only way forward for NZ. I’m appointing an independant investigator to run an inquiry to make sure that we are going about all this the best way and to see if there’s anything we can change. I’m going to to have a phone conference with international leaders and hear their experiences of easing restrictions and find out what works and what doesn’t. Thanks for making the journey here I do need to hear from all of NZ andctry to understand the best way to help our nation go forward.

Now with that 85% of the crowd would prob be happy to just to have been acknowledged and gotten a response and with no further drama or anything interesting on the horizon they would go home.

But no she’s hiding like “basement Biden” or “just a handful of truckers Trudeau” letting what should be nothing fester into something worse

[pete376403]

Dont see any of the protestors holding up signs about the "dishonest government that continues paying benefits into their bank accounts"

[pritch]

The three waters bullshit which will not only see our rates rise but we will have to start paying for water

If you gave a monkey a keyboard sooner or later it would type a word. Simillarly it appears you have finally got something right. There are places already paying for water, and the Council here is planning on phasing it in.

[TheDemonLord]

As usual you aren't making sense. Would you like to try that in English?

Left wing protests = good, light policing, Politicians getting photo ops
Pro-freedom (or eeeeevil right wing) protests - Bad, Heavy Policing and no Politicians fronting up

One is 'approved', one is verboten.

That simple enough for you?

[pritch]

Left wing protests = good, light policing, Politicians getting photo ops
Pro-freedom (or eeeeevil right wing) protests - Bad, Heavy Policing and no Politicians fronting up

One is 'approved', one is verboten.

That simple enough for you?

It seems you are confused and haven't been payng attention. As your colleague R650R pointed out, yesterday there were no visible police. Despite the fact that the clownvoy had just stopped their vehicles anywhere that took their fancy, there were no Parking wardens. And in Wellington, where the Council tows vehicles with enthusiasm, that is unusual.

Today is very different. Same protest.

Your theory is wide of the mark. Unless yesterday the protest was left wing, and today it's right wing? Nah it's neither, it's "monlkey see, monkey do" it's just stupid. Witness the Trump flags.

[TheDemonLord]

It seems you are confused and haven't been payng attention. As your colleague R650R pointed out, yesterday there were no visible police. Despite the fact that the clownvoy had just stopped their vehicles anywhere that took their fancy, there were no Parking wardens. And in Wellington, where the Council tows vehicles with enthusiasm, that is unusual.

Today is very different. Same protest.

Your theory is wide of the mark. Unless yesterday the protest was left wing, and today it's right wing? Nah it's neither, it's "monlkey see, monkey do" it's just stupid. Witness the Trump flags.

Okay, let me ask a question then:

What necessitated the sudden Police presence?

I think the reason there was limited Police yesterday was because they didn't think it would amount to much and now they've realised there's an actual protest (that isn't going away), they have to have a show of Force.

As for the Trump Flags - isn't it interesting whenever there's a call to Freedom, Trump flags are found...

[F5 Dave]

Tell it to my heart. My AchyBreaky Heart.

On repeat. All night.

[husaberg]

A good leader would have fronted up straight away and said something easy like I’m sorry this has impacted your lives so much but I feel it’s the only way forward for NZ. I’m appointing an independant investigator to run an inquiry to make sure that we are going about all this the best way and to see if there’s anything we can change. I’m going to to have a phone conference with international leaders and hear their experiences of easing restrictions and find out what works and what doesn’t. Thanks for making the journey here I do need to hear from all of NZ andctry to understand the best way to help our nation go forward.

Now with that 85% of the crowd would prob be happy to just to have been acknowledged and gotten a response and with no further drama or anything interesting on the horizon they would go home.

But no she’s hiding like “basement Biden” or “just a handful of truckers Trudeau” letting what should be nothing fester into something worse

Seeing as you both think you can do much better jobs You and mashman should form a political party with two people who seem to have all the insider knowledge.
With you two leading the charge you would be shoe ins.
https://c.tenor.com/aZa3WHL1EuMAAAAM/shoes-funny-animals.gif
ps basement Biden yes running against Trump an incumbent president flush Koch bothers NRA and big business cash with 24-hour Coverage on Fox, ) yet Biden a second rate candidate if ever there was one,didn't even tour the country hardly left his house wasnt doing rallies and yet still beat trump.....how bad a president does that make trump....

Tell it to my heart. My AchyBreaky Heart.

On repeat. All night.

isnt it "andctry" breaky heart

[neels]

I think the reason there was limited Police yesterday was because they didn't think it would amount to much and now they've realised there's an actual protest (that isn't going away), they have to have a show of Force.

As for the Trump Flags - isn't it interesting whenever there's a call to Freedom, Trump flags are found...
The entirely reasonable explanation for lack of police was that they were being allowed their right to protest.

Now that their Freedomtm protest is affecting the Freedom of movement of other law abiding citizens, and the Freedom of legitimate business owners from operating their businesses without intimidation, they have responded in a relatively non confrontational way. The calls to storm the parliament buildings which warrant a response of some sort.

Trump flags just demonstrate that the people holding them are completely detached from reality, given that American politics have absolutely no connection to any government policy in New Zealand.

Just shows you what a tolerant society we live in, when a very small minority are allowed to express their opinion, even when it inconveniences the majority just trying to go about their day.

[neels]

Tell it to my heart. My AchyBreaky Heart.

On repeat. All night.
In Christchurch, it's Rick Astley...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/125791556/developer-rickrolling-rough-sleepers-outside-central-christchurch-building

[sidecar bob]

Anyone remember Jacindamania?:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I can't find anyone that admits to voting for her now.

[Stylo]

The entirely reasonable explanation for lack of police was that they were being allowed their right to protest.

Now that their Freedomtm protest is affecting the Freedom of movement of other law abiding citizens, and the Freedom of legitimate business owners from operating their businesses without intimidation, they have responded in a relatively non confrontational way. The calls to storm the parliament buildings which warrant a response of some sort.

Trump flags just demonstrate that the people holding them are completely detached from reality, given that American politics have absolutely no connection to any government policy in New Zealand.

Just shows you what a tolerant society we live in, when a very small minority are allowed to express their opinion, even when it inconveniences the majority just trying to go about their day.

The Trump flags also signify the fact that we have an extreme right wing element entrenched in our Society now. The people that shout out on the news tonight about the 'media propoganda' and masks give you cancer.

Detached from realiity but servants to what ever they read on Social media. That is their bible. These are the people overstaying in front of the Beehive.

Not what most New Zealanders need right now, this has shades of the Insurrection on Jan 6 and the Whitehouse episode.

Get the army in and heavy lifting gear and move these guys out, and their trucks and cars. Get rid of these wankers.

[FJRider]

Well I’d love to see the TAB odds for sure....

I'll be watching the given odds ... regardless of my personal preferences/beliefs ... money is money.


They still have FB yes but that’s fact checking itself out of business, the recent crash in its share price sure shows what intelligent investors think of its future....

The stock Market is all about "Futures" ... and lots of money is lost. Sure things aren't as sure as they used to be.

Go figure.


The longer this saga drags out the more people will be added to the list of NEVER vote labour again because....
Their small business got smashed out of business by lockdowns and being forced to be the mask and scan stasi.
They never got to the funeral of a loved one
They never got to be in hospital to comfo rt a loved one dying
Friendships/relationships/jobs lost via mandates and subsequent horrid attitudes to others generated
Home ownership completely disappearing from view
Ute tax
Letting nutter greens get a free ride into power, especially with their latest rubbish about treaty settlements are not and should not ever be final compensation and we must begin selling back land to them with the money we will give them..... it’s like they forgot about the foreshore and seabed debacle....

Political popularity is a fickle thing ... depending on what any voter (for either party) thinks they were screwed over on ANY particular "promise" ... on the lead-up to an election.

The "Never Again" claim is nothing new. And I'm old enough to have heard many of those "I'll never vote ..." type statements ...


The three waters bullshit which will not only see our rates rise but we will have to start paying for water

One local town down this way has Lead found in the town water supply.

Topping up the water with Chlorine or Fluoride wont fix all the current town/city water supplies. Even Auckland City has continuing Water supply issues.

The Public idea/expectation of "Free" GOOD QUALITY water at the turn of a tap in THEIR house (wherever they are in NZ) ... FREE ... isn't going to be free. It has been free (well sort of) in the past.

BUT ... the past is ... well ... PAST.


Watch this space.

[F5 Dave]

Anyone remember Jacindamania?:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I can't find anyone that admits to voting for her now.
Yes I do, I certainly didn't vote for that first time, but clearly a lot of people did else she wouldn't have been able to roll national with just a little bit of Winston elbow.

As historically a national voter I voted for her that last time as she was clearly the competent leader Bridges or any of those other Wallys weren't. We'd be knee deep in complaining about the state of the hospitals and fuked economy if English had won as he'd never have closed the borders and upset the airlines and tourist economy. Until it was too late and they would have been worse off.

We'd be little Britain right now. No fucking thanks.

Now it's time to take our bitter pill but at least with a reasonable vaccinated public. Except for the flat earth society.

[R650R]

Anyone remember Jacindamania?:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I can't find anyone that admits to voting for her now.

She rebranded herself adding a C for .... to become JacindaManiac

The first PM to hand pick which journos are first to ask questions at media conferences
The first Pm to shutdown a press conference because she got asked questions she didn’t like
The first pm to flee a public appearance by driving on footpath
The first pm to get pregnant out of wedlock for votes
The first pm of a majority govt to needlessly go into a coalition with green kooks cause she knows some of her own might not even vote in policies
The first Pm to double housing prices while promising affordable housing

[TheDemonLord]

The entirely reasonable explanation for lack of police was that they were being allowed their right to protest.

Now that their Freedomtm protest is affecting the Freedom of movement of other law abiding citizens, and the Freedom of legitimate business owners from operating their businesses without intimidation, they have responded in a relatively non confrontational way. The calls to storm the parliament buildings which warrant a response of some sort.

Possibly, However I'm reminded of other Protests, during Lockdown no less, that didn't get such a Police response.


Trump flags just demonstrate that the people holding them are completely detached from reality, given that American politics have absolutely no connection to any government policy in New Zealand.

Trump and the Trump Flag represents Freedom and a 'Fuck you' to the Establishment.

It's no more or less appropriate than seeing Black Lives Matter flags in NZ...


Just shows you what a tolerant society we live in, when a very small minority are allowed to express their opinion, even when it inconveniences the majority just trying to go about their day.

Now for it to be truly tolerant, if the protest could get the fawning attention and media coverage and the Politicians to come out and engage with the crowd - then I might agree.

But it's one rule for the approved protests, a different one for the others.

[R650R]

The Trump flags also signify the fact that we have an extreme right wing element entrenched in our Society now. The people that shout out on the news tonight about the 'media propoganda' and masks give you cancer.

Detached from realiity but servants to what ever they read on Social media. That is their bible. These are the people overstaying in front of the Beehive.

Not what most New Zealanders need right now, this has shades of the Insurrection on Jan 6 and the Whitehouse episode.

Get the army in and heavy lifting gear and move these guys out, and their trucks and cars. Get rid of these wankers.

There is nothing “extreme” right wing about Trumps policies. Now maybe if people we’re celebrating the Polish pm you might have something but no.....

Get the army in, heavy lifting gear, fire hoses...... hmmmm sounds like what some extreme left wing commie country like China or Russia does with protestors?????

[R650R]

Trump flags just demonstrate that the people holding them are completely detached from reality, given that American politics have absolutely no connection to any government policy in New Zealand....

That will hurt some prolific posters on here that are heavily emotionally invested in the trump Biden saga lol

USA politics do affect us, we send our soldier some to die in there poorly thought out military misadventures interfering in third world countries.
And you can bet that if the dems did a big gun grab Jacinda would be hot on heels of that.

[TheDemonLord]

The Trump flags also signify the fact that we have an extreme right wing element entrenched in our Society now. The people that shout out on the news tonight about the 'media propoganda' and masks give you cancer.

Ah yes, the Eeeeeevil extreme right wing....

Trump who was a registered Democrat, supported Bill Clinton until the Democrats went off the deep end - that Extreme Right Wing?

Or is this the Extreme Right Wing that has since labelled Russell Brand (of all people!) 'Right Wing'.

What is it that you actually consider Right Wing?

As for News Propaganda - There's a Left wing bias in Media, it's been well documented. Some of it is within the bounds of acceptable, some of it is just blatant BS. The more you try and snuff out bad ideas as wrong-think, the more people will resist.


Detached from realiity but servants to what ever they read on Social media. That is their bible. These are the people overstaying in front of the Beehive.

Ah yes, Social Media - also with it's demonstrable Left Wing Bias....


Not what most New Zealanders need right now, this has shades of the Insurrection on Jan 6 and the Whitehouse episode.

And what do New Zealanders need? How about their Rights respected? Their right to choose without compulsion? Not a big ask, we've got 90% vaccinated - yet we are still being penalized for something that based on all reasonable Science, is the Sniffles. Omicron is very transmissible but is less deadly than the Flu.


Get the army in and heavy lifting gear and move these guys out, and their trucks and cars. Get rid of these wankers.

Ah yes - the Tolerance of the Left, Just like Tianneman Square.

[TheDemonLord]

Yes I do, I certainly didn't vote for that first time, but clearly a lot of people did else she wouldn't have been able to roll national with just a little bit of Winston elbow.

As historically a national voter I voted for her that last time as she was clearly the competent leader Bridges or any of those other Wallys weren't.

Well, at least we know who to blame... As for Competent Leader, does a Laugh and a Nod constitute competence? Just curious...


We'd be knee deep in complaining about the state of the hospitals and fuked economy if English had won as he'd never have closed the borders and upset the airlines and tourist economy. Until it was too late and they would have been worse off.

Now, I agree National are also Useless. Today I saw their Covid plan, it was Labour Lite and they were getting absolutely Lambasted for it (which was glorious to see). National have lost their way, most likely because most of them don't have a clue as to what being Conservative actually means.


We'd be little Britain right now. No fucking thanks.

Now it's time to take our bitter pill but at least with a reasonable vaccinated public. Except for the flat earth society.

At least Britain has (finally) gotten rid of all their Mandates...

[FJRider]

Just Politicians.




I was downtown Dunedin today ... was asked to show my covid passport twice. I showed it. Neither time was it scanned.

Last night my wife and I dined at the local Pub. Had to show our passports. They didn't scan it either.

Yesterday we were at the library. Both of us were asked to show it ... and it was scanned.


The "NEW" normal.

Such is life now. Get used to it. Get over it ... Get on with it



No comment on those two complaints/questions of yours ... I mentioned/posted in a recent post.


You made accusations and demands ... and still no comment .. ??

[TheDemonLord]

I was downtown Dunedin today ... was asked to show my covid passport twice. I showed it. Neither time was it scanned.

Last night my wife and I dined at the local Pub. Had to show our passports. They didn't scan it either.

Yesterday we were at the library. Both of us were asked to show it ... and it was scanned.


The "NEW" normal.

Such is life now. Get used to it. Get over it ... Get on with it

No.


No comment on those two complaints/questions of yours ... I mentioned/posted in a recent post.


You made accusations and demands ... and still no comment .. ??

Best addressed in the thread in question, with my reply.

[FJRider]

No.

Sorry ... even in Auckland ... and probably even in Dorkland .. it IS now the new normal.

Even if you don't like it ... for quite a while yet it WILL be a normal expectation. And not a dam thing you can do that will change it.

The NEXT election is due next September. Be sure to get on the Electoral roll and vote.




Best addressed in the thread in question, with my reply.

It's ok .. I'm quite happy to wait. You don't need a smack on the hand from the moderators ... for posting in the wrong thread.


I can't wait to see what your next "oof" will be though ... :killingme

[FJRider]

Not what most New Zealanders need right now, this has shades of the Insurrection on Jan 6 and the Whitehouse episode.



But nowhere close to the crash helmet wearing mob protests of '81.

[TheDemonLord]

Sorry ... even in Auckland ... and probably even in Dorkland .. it IS now the new normal.

Even if you don't like it ... for quite a while yet it WILL be a normal expectation. And not a dam thing you can do that will change it.

The NEXT election is due next September. Be sure to get on the Electoral roll and vote.

And history will judge those who complied with tyranny harshly and those who stood on the principles of freedom kindly.


It's ok .. I'm quite happy to wait. You don't need a smack on the hand from the moderators ... for posting in the wrong thread.


I can't wait to see what your next "oof" will be though ... :killingme

The good news is you don't have to wait, it's already there. In fact, it was already there before you posted that.

There's Your next Oof.

[FJRider]

Well, at least we know who to blame...

Surprisingly enough ... she got more than THAT one vote ... :killingme


Now, I agree National are also Useless. Today I saw their Covid plan ...

You can read .. who knew ...

So you wont be voting National either.



At least Britain has (finally) gotten rid of all their Mandates...

I wonder what the death toll will be ... for the next few months.

When are you moving there ... need help to pack .. ??

[FJRider]

And history will judge those who complied with tyranny harshly and those who stood on the principles of freedom kindly.

Those that rebel against policy ... get all they deserve. Got yours yet ... Oh I forgot. Some "freedoms" aren't as free as you hoped.

Bugger.



But I was just following orders .. :whistle:




The good news is you don't have to wait, it's already there. In fact, it was already there before you posted that.

There's Your next Oof.

It's ok ... no rush ... ;)

It's not as if you have anything important to say .. :yawn:

[Kickaha]

And history will judge those who complied with tyranny harshly and those who stood on the principles of freedom kindly.


Bullshit, as far as history goes this is a pretty much non event in NZ, in another few years no one will give a shit

[TheDemonLord]

Bullshit, as far as history goes this is a pretty much non event

Maybe, maybe not.


Although, you're correct in one sense...

[TheDemonLord]

Surprisingly enough ... she got more than THAT one vote ... :killingme

Oh definitely - all those National Voters who thought a Vote for Labour would keep the Greens out...


You can read .. who knew ...

So you wont be voting National either.

They would have to do some miraculous U-Turns to get my Vote.



I wonder what the death toll will be ... for the next few months.

When are you moving there ... need help to pack .. ??

I wonder what the difference between the Modelling and reality will be... for the next few months.

Remember how we were meant to have 50,000 Omicron cases by Waitangi day and that was the justification (ha!) for the move to Red?


Those that rebel against policy ... get all they deserve. Got yours yet ... Oh I forgot. Some "freedoms" aren't as free as you hoped.

Bugger.

But I was just following orders .. :whistle:

Time will tell.

To borrow a quote: I'll either be Court Martialled or Promoted.



It's ok ... no rush ... ;)

It's not as if you have anything important to say .. :yawn:

If nothing I said was important or at least didn't have some measure of gravitas to it, no one would bother replying.

Clearly some things I say rustle enough jimmies that people are compelled to reply.

Including you.

[FJRider]

Oh definitely - all those National Voters who thought a Vote for Labour would keep the Greens out...

So ... Will the Labour voters vote National .. to keep the Greens out .. ??


They would have to do some miraculous U-Turns to get my Vote.

So ... you're happy with the Greens then .. ??


I wonder what the difference between the Modelling and reality will be... for the next few months.

I haven't seen a catwalk anywhere that comes even close to reality.

If you like reality ... stay off the drugs. It just makes you look sillier.


Remember how we were meant to have 50,000 Omicron cases by Waitangi day and that was the justification (ha!) for the move to Red?

So ... you'll be looking forward to some more freedoms then .. :killingme


Time will tell.

To borrow a quote: I'll either be Court Martialled or Promoted.

I once used that actual line in the army.

The result ... was closer to the former ... than the latter ... :laugh:




If nothing I said was important or at least didn't have some measure of gravitas to it, no one would bother replying.

Clearly some things I say rustle enough jimmies that people are compelled to reply.

Including you.

DITTO ... You took the words right out of my mouth ... :killingme

[pritch]

As for the Trump Flags - isn't it interesting whenever there's a call to Freedom, Trump flags are found...

That's laughable. Unless you're counting all the free stuff Trump stole from the White House, but they're taking that back. First the paperwork, then the artworks, then the furniture.

The idiots with Trump flags would be incapable of explaining why they've got them but it is simple, it's just "monkey see, monkey do." THere are not many brain cells at that demo. A lot of mental illness though.

[pritch]

Anyone remember Jacindamania?:rofl::rofl::rofl:
I can't find anyone that admits to voting for her now.

If you live out the back of nowhere you get that.

[FJRider]

As for the Trump Flags - isn't it interesting whenever there's a call to Freedom, Trump flags are found...


Trump suggested injecting disinfectant as treatment for Covid ...and a few other similar style of treatments.


The protesters carrying the Trump flags ... should follow this ... and more of his advised treatment ... :devil2:

[TheDemonLord]

That's laughable. Unless you're counting all the free stuff Trump stole from the White House, but they're taking that back. First the paperwork, then the artworks, then the furniture.

The idiots with Trump flags would be incapable of explaining why they've got them but it is simple, it's just "monkey see, monkey do." THere are not many brain cells at that demo. A lot of mental illness though.

You can laugh if you want, but regardless of whether they can articulate it or not - Trump was not an establishment character, he was the under-dog, he was a massive Middle Finger to the cool kids club, He said exactly what he thought and bugger the consequences, he was anti-war, he was against regulation and most of all he was for individual rights.

That's why people have the Trump Flag:

They aren't the Establishment.
They are the under-dog.
They are definitely giving a Middle Finger to certain groups.
They say what they think.
They don't want to be lorded over by an ever-increasing tyranny of unjust laws, regulations, mandates and the like
And most of all:

They want their individual rights.

[TheDemonLord]

Trump suggested injecting disinfectant as treatment for Covid ...and a few other similar style of treatments.

The protesters carrying the Trump flags ... should follow this ... and more of his advised treatment ... :devil2:

Have you listened to the original clip?

What was reported and what was said aren't the same thing. If you listen to the full quote, it's very clear he's spitballing ideas.

Also - if you want to say they should follow his advised Treatment, that would mean getting the 'Trump Vaccine'...

[FJRider]

Have you listened to the original clip?



So he didn't actually say it ... and EVERYBODY knew he didn't mean what he said.

Gotcha .. :lol:

[TheDemonLord]

So ... Will the Labour voters vote National .. to keep the Greens out .. ??

Labour and the Greens is the difference between Socialism and Communism.

Different on Paper, Identical in practice.


So ... you're happy with the Greens then .. ??

Not a fan of Communists.


I haven't seen a catwalk anywhere that comes even close to reality.

If you like reality ... stay off the drugs. It just makes you look sillier.

Then maybe we shouldn't use it for Public Policy when it's been consistently wrong.... Catwalks or Computer generated...


So ... you'll be looking forward to some more freedoms then .. :killingme

All I'm going to say is:

Honk Honk.


I once used that actual line in the army.

The result ... was closer to the former ... than the latter ... :laugh:

Bonus points are available if you know who said it and in relation to what.


DITTO ... You took the words right out of my mouth ... :killingme

Hence why I reply to you, since for all the fluff - there are interesting ideas in your posts - some I disagree with, some I suspect you disagree with, some I agree with.

[TheDemonLord]

So he didn't actually say it ... and EVERYBODY knew he didn't mean what he said.

Gotcha .. :lol:

If my memory is correct - the full clip is something like:

"Bleach kills the virus dead, is there a way we can use that, like an injection or for cleaning?"

Not advocating for injecting bleach, asking the question can bleach be used in someway.

Now - don't get me wrong, it's a really stupid question to ask (if you remember your basic biology) - but in the entire clip he was spitballing multiple ideas as to ways to try and combat it (before the Vaccine was available).

I think he was also talking about UV Light steralization in the same breath.

[FJRider]

Labour and the Greens is the difference between Socialism and Communism.

Different on Paper, Identical in practice.

But they go together well don't you think.

Cant have one without the other in these times.


Not a fan of Communists.

Fixable with 7.62 and 5.56 ... it's been done before. On a large scale too.


Then maybe we shouldn't use it for Public Policy when it's been consistently wrong.... Catwalks or Computer generated...

Drugs are popular for those that can't handle reality.

See your problem ... ??


All I'm going to say is:

Honk Honk.

Does that mean ... get out of my way, I'm coming through ... ??


Bonus points are available if you know who said it and in relation to what.

It was actually a Star Trek quote ... actually another one of your misquotes ... the actual quote by Admiral Toddman said ...
But if you pull a stunt like that again, I'll court-martial you, or I'll promote you. Either way, you'll be in a lot of trouble.

You must be more careful with your quoting .... As I've previously said ... it just makes you look silly.

oof ...



Hence why I reply to you, since for all the fluff - there are interesting ideas in your posts - some I disagree with, some I suspect you disagree with, some I agree with.

Ditto.

[FJRider]

Now - don't get me wrong ... but in the entire clip he was spitballing multiple ideas as to ways to try and combat it (before the Vaccine was available).



Gotcha ... here was I thinking he was just rambling.

Which I still think he was ... But defending the undefencable is your thing I've noticed.

Go figure ...

[TheDemonLord]

But they go together well don't you think.

Cant have one without the other in these times.

Fixable with 7.62 and 5.56 ... it's been done before. On a large scale too.

And this is why I still enjoy your posts :D


Drugs are popular for those that can't handle reality.

See your problem ... ??

Are you suggesting that the Scientiests doing the predictive Modelling are getting into the Chemists lab and testing?

That certainly would explain quite a few things...


Does that mean ... get out of my way, I'm coming through ... ??

It might, it might not....

Honk Honk.




It was actually a Star Trek quote ... actually another one of your misquotes ... the actual quote by Admiral Toddman said ...

You must be more careful with your quoting .... As I've previously said ... it just makes you look silly.

oof ...

Actually... the Quote is much older:

Oberst Birgen Eriksen:


Either I will be decorated, or I will be court-martialed. Fire!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dr%C3%B8bak_Sound

Oof is to you ;)

[TheDemonLord]

Gotcha ... here was I thinking he was just rambling.

Which I still think he was ... But defending the undefencable is your thing I've noticed.

Go figure ...

Rambling/Spitballing - Sure.

Trying to take that as a serious suggestion or a call to action however...

[pritch]

You can laugh if you want, but regardless of whether they can articulate it or not - Trump was not an establishment character, he was the under-dog, he was a massive Middle Finger to the cool kids club, He said exactly what he thought and bugger the consequences, he was anti-war, he was against regulation and most of all he was for individual rights.



Apparently you missed his presidency somehow. He did say what he thought, it's just a shame that so little of it was coherent. The press couldn't report exactly what he said or they would have been accused of taking the piss. They had to edit his statements so as not to show he was insane. That's OK though, you can be a fanboi.

[pritch]

Have you listened to the original clip?

What was reported and what was said aren't the same thing. If you listen to the full quote, it's very clear he's spitballing ideas.



Actually I have. Multiple times. It is nothing short of complete idiocy. Feel free to shove a light bulb up yer arse, if that's what spins your crank.

[F5 Dave]

Trump was not an establishment character.

Ya, know by being a rich white male with prejudice opinions, gee yeah , real man of the people. TDL can't even tell when he's been conned this far down the track.

The only difference with Trump to most other politicians is that his wealth was an illusion. And he was fucking deluded.

[pritch]

Trump was not an establishment character.

Ya, know by being a rich white male with prejudice opinions, gee yeah , real man of the people. TDL can't even tell when he's been conned this far down the track.

The only difference with Trump to most other politicians is that his wealth was an illusion. And he was fucking deluded.

There is a saying, "if you are in a room with a conman and you don't know who the mark is, it's you."

Everytime I see that I think of TDL.

[pritch]

It seem the international press have figured out wassup. Certainly more accurately than a couple of KBers.


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/02/covid-19-world-reacts-to-copycat-new-zealand-convoy-protest-against-vaccine-mandates-at-parliament.html

[FJRider]

Rambling/Spitballing - Sure.

Trying to take that as a serious suggestion or a call to action however...

Take all the action you feel the need to.

I need more laughs in my life.

At least OUR noble leader has never been accused of spitballing ... lucky us ... eh .. !! ... :killingme

[TheDemonLord]

Trump was not an establishment character.

Ya, know by being a rich white male with prejudice opinions, gee yeah , real man of the people. TDL can't even tell when he's been conned this far down the track.

The only difference with Trump to most other politicians is that his wealth was an illusion. And he was fucking deluded.

Trump vs Hilary - which one is the Establishment Pick?
Trump vs Biden - which one is the Establishment Pick?

Just merely being Rich, white and Male does not denote being Establishment.

[TheDemonLord]

It seem the international press have figured out wassup. Certainly more accurately than a couple of KBers.


https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2022/02/covid-19-world-reacts-to-copycat-new-zealand-convoy-protest-against-vaccine-mandates-at-parliament.html

Wait...

You mean to say...

That two nations that share a Monarch and certain Liberal traditions are both upset at Governments breaching bodily autonomy and pissing on basic Human Rights?!?

Holy Shit! That's some 9000+ IQ Big Brain Journalism right there.

I wonder what they will come up with as News tomorrow? My pick is that they discover that as an Island, New Zealand is surrounded by water!