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tigertim20
28th October 2011, 20:39
My flattie hasn't come out of his room for three days and hes started pissing out the bedroom window....do you think hes depressed?
disable the internet. without access to porn, he'll have to leave his room
allycatz
28th October 2011, 20:58
If your not joking then he needs help. Contact his family if you know them.
Im not joking but coming home from work tonight he is out somewhere. Had already thought about trying to contact his family, via trolling some numbers on latest phone bill. There is something going on though because this has been going on for three weeks and hes no longer attending course he was going to
nzspokes
28th October 2011, 21:04
Im not joking but coming home from work tonight he is out somewhere. Had already thought about trying to contact his family, via trolling some numbers on latest phone bill. There is something going on though because this has been going on for three weeks and hes no longer attending course he was going to
Sounds like your on to it. Could be drugs to. If depression he could be in crisis now. If you see him just ask in a friendly manor if hes ok. See what happens.
Kittyhawk
16th December 2011, 06:14
Nello!
Whose feeling psyco and down today :bleh:
Distract the mind and focus....
Does anyone know anything about schizoid? Am concerned that my brother may have this, as no one seems to be able to give me an actual diagnosis of what his disibility is. On the plus side he is a biker :msn-wink:
Maha
16th December 2011, 06:23
...A schiziod Biker?....I think I may know who you mean.
nzspokes
16th December 2011, 06:46
I dont think everybody can be diagnosed to be say bipolar, depressed etc. Doesnt work like that. You can get multiple disorders at one time etc. Have a wander through my link in my signature. Good info there and also in NZ sites.
Best thing will always be contact and support.
buellbabe
16th December 2011, 06:51
Well I wouldn't wanna hazard a guess as to what your brothers conditon is...
But for what its worth...I have had better days and I have had worse days. The last 2 months have been an emotion/spiritual/pyschological roller coaster ride from hell. One day I'm up and the next day I am fighting back tears over the smallest thing.
On the plus side its the company work do tonight and I intend to do some self-medicating (don't think I'm gonna be alone in that either!)
Oh yeah, last weekend I did the Patriots Poker run, on the bike all day and then partied all night and for a blissful 24hrs hours I forgot that my life is a steaming pile of poo!
Oh well, what doesn't kill ya makes ya stronger.
Spearfish
16th December 2011, 06:53
Ever seen the movie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_%281976_film%29
unstuck
16th December 2011, 06:54
My depression used to be a BIG black dog that would come and harrass me for months and scare the shit out of me, but now it is a little wee poodle and when it turns up I tell it to fuck off and give it a kick up the ass and it runs away wimpering.:niceone:
Maha
16th December 2011, 12:53
They've got this place.
Where they've been keeping me.
Where I can hurt myself.
I cant get my wrists to bleed.
My home from home, my twilight zone.
My strangest dream.
The quiet room, is sterilised in white
Its like a tomb, with just a moth stained naked light.
nzspokes
16th December 2011, 13:17
My depression used to be a BIG black dog that would come and harrass me for months and scare the shit out of me, but now it is a little wee poodle and when it turns up I tell it to fuck off and give it a kick up the ass and it runs away wimpering.:niceone:
I cant wait for that day....
If Sir John Kirwin can do.........so can you! :weep:
Nova.
5th June 2012, 19:38
p00fters.
.....
Conquiztador
5th June 2012, 20:31
p00fters.
.....
??? Who do you refer to?
GingerMidget
6th June 2012, 18:13
I cant wait for that day....
You'll get there. It may seem a long hard road, but it does get easier. Ignore the morons who don't know shit all. Standing up and saying I'd appreciate some help shows more strength than just pretending everything is ok.
Nova.
6th June 2012, 21:48
??? Who do you refer to?
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
scumdog
6th June 2012, 21:50
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
So depression = homosexuality???:rolleyes:
You're a lot of help...
Conquiztador
7th June 2012, 04:13
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
You are young and eager but have much to learn. (Reminds me of when I was 16 and I thought I knew everything. Now when much older and I know everything I realise how little I knew then...)
Why not start by reading the whole thread as I can se no need to parrot what has already been said well here.
Newbi
7th June 2012, 07:39
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
You are an ignorant little prick!!
unstuck
7th June 2012, 07:46
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
Share your secret dude, you must be the first person I have ever heard of never having depression. How do you avoid it? Or are you constantly in a state of positive uphoria?:headbang:
Kickaha
7th June 2012, 08:35
How do you avoid it?
Constant medication by the nurses in his ward
Paul in NZ
7th June 2012, 09:58
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
In that case I'd be interested in your opinion on a lack of ability to spell basic 4 letter words?
While you may have an arguable point in a very small percentage of cases there is some real science behind understanding depression. At some point in your life you are very (VERY) likely to encounter it. Unfortunately even knowing what it is and some common tricks in fighting it won't help you at first.
Oscar
7th June 2012, 10:28
anyone who gets depression, aka a form of self pitty.
I guess that to become depressed, one must have at least a moderate understanding of the world and the ability to interact with those around you.
You are obviously one of those who are blessed by the fact that they are so stupid and so socially inept that they are immune to depression…
...good for you, Thicko:msn-wink:
Nova.
7th June 2012, 11:22
You lot are rowled up easily aren't ya
Newbi
7th June 2012, 11:32
You lot are rowled up easily aren't ya
i can't and won't speak for others on here, But I have no tolerance for an ignoramus like yourself.
Nova.
7th June 2012, 12:59
i can't and won't speak for others on here, But I have no tolerance for an ignoramus like yourself.
You aren't a true kiwi then.
Newbi
7th June 2012, 13:55
You aren't a true kiwi then.
Don't you tell me what I am or am not!!!
Edbear
7th June 2012, 14:27
You lot are rowled up easily aren't ya
Troll is obvious troll... :whistle:
Nova.
7th June 2012, 14:40
To think people think red repping makes a difference.. :clap:
unstuck
7th June 2012, 14:41
Not everyones cuppa, but it works for me.:devil2:
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/tSOlXiHkyyk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>:headbang::headbang:
To think people think red repping makes a difference.. :clap:
Only when they're off thier medication...:doctor:...:weep:
nodrog
7th June 2012, 16:31
The tards are all abit angry, are you cunts off your meds or somefin?
Virago
7th June 2012, 18:36
To think people think red repping makes a difference.. :clap:
Good point. If you get too many, you can always set up a new log-in...:msn-wink:
Nova.
7th June 2012, 18:39
Good point. If you get too many, you can always set up a new log-in...:msn-wink:
Nah you do that when you get banned :rolleyes:
nzspokes
7th June 2012, 21:02
You'll get there. It may seem a long hard road, but it does get easier. Ignore the morons who don't know shit all. Standing up and saying I'd appreciate some help shows more strength than just pretending everything is ok.
Well that comment feels like it was from a different time. Things have changed and improved since then.
The pretending your ok is common. So much is hidden.
Nova seems to think depression is a choice. Its not.
Headbanger
7th June 2012, 22:14
To think people think red repping makes a difference.. :clap:
This just begs the question, Child, why are you seeking negative attention?
Your mum make you eat your vegetables so you hit the internet to be a bad guy?
Phffft...wank on.
The red rep just indicates the good folk of Kiwibiker consider you to be a twat.
Nova.
7th June 2012, 22:43
This just begs the question, Child, why are you seeking negative attention?
Your mum make you eat your vegetables so you hit the internet to be a bad guy?
Phffft...wank on.
The red rep just indicates the good folk of Kiwibiker consider you to be a twat.
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
nzspokes
7th June 2012, 22:50
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
And I thought I was a nutbar..........:killingme
unstuck
7th June 2012, 22:54
And I thought I was a nutbar..........:killingme
You still are.:devil2::headbang::headbang:
nzspokes
7th June 2012, 22:56
You still are.:devil2::headbang::headbang:
Yup, I even have a note from the Doctor. But at least I know it. :msn-wink:
Nova.
7th June 2012, 23:01
And I thought I was a nutbar..........:killingme
264667
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unstuck
7th June 2012, 23:01
Yup, I even have a note from the Doctor. But at least I know it. :msn-wink:
At least being a nutbar is not a bad as being a whole case of nuts.:2thumbsup
Headbanger
7th June 2012, 23:05
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
So, its someone elses fault you're a knob-end?
Either way........:killingme
Nova.
7th June 2012, 23:15
So, its someone elses fault you're a knob-end?
Either way........:killingme
So apparently the world is a person?
who's the nutcase now.
nzspokes
7th June 2012, 23:24
So apparently the world is a person?
who's the nutcase now.
:scratch::facepalm:
Madness
8th June 2012, 07:41
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
I don't respect you. Sorry to burst your bubble and please don't get depressed over it.
Virago
8th June 2012, 08:09
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
I think I'd rather be depressed, than be a delusional narcissist...
Oscar
8th June 2012, 09:41
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
Respected?
You delusional twat.
scumdog
8th June 2012, 09:48
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
And quote again: "So apparently the world is a person? who's the nutcase now."
Respected?:rolleyes:
By all??:rolleyes:
Oscar
8th June 2012, 10:09
I think I'd rather be depressed, than be a delusional narcissist...
..............................
Nova. has not made any friends yet
Edbear
8th June 2012, 10:50
Yup, I even have a note from the Doctor. But at least I know it. :msn-wink:
I confused my psychiatrist... :(
Subike
8th June 2012, 13:05
This is who I am, this is what the world made me, I don't give a fuck whether you love me or hate me, I'm going to die like that, forever at war, hated by most, loved by few, respected by all.
no respect from here either,
Your the result of a night your father got his end away...the world had nothing to do with it
Looks like your mother made the mistake that night of saying yes.
Shame, she should have had a head ache instead .
Nova.
8th June 2012, 16:02
I am better then all of yall.
Woodman
8th June 2012, 16:35
Pretty sure nova is a bit thick. Poor bastard.
Conquiztador
8th June 2012, 23:20
I am better then all of yall.
Dude, you need to realise that we actually do not have a problem with you, only your statement. I mean how could we, we do not know you. What we see is a stupid comment and we react to it, not to you. Thou sadly stupid comments often reflect the persona of a person. But I am prepared to give you a second chance: retract it and we start again...
unstuck
9th June 2012, 06:48
http://zenhabits.net/6-practical-and-powerful-ways-to-overcome-depression/ :Punk::Punk::Punk:
DMNTD
9th June 2012, 07:39
Nova seems to think depression is a choice. Its not.
Where choice(s) come into it is whether someone is willing to do something about it or not.
Some do choose to get some help, some choose to wallow in 'self pity' (to keep in line with Nova's 'attempt') and winge, complain and simply live in misery.
I have seen it all too many times and chose to remove myself in order not to catch negativismismismism :wacko:
BTW...that wasn't directed at anyone...specific
But no need to duck if you're short right?....;)
nzspokes
9th June 2012, 08:06
Where choice(s) come into it is whether someone is willing to do something about it or not.
Some do choose to get some help, some choose to wallow in 'self pity' (to keep in line with Nova's 'attempt') and winge, complain and simply live in misery.
I have seen it all too many times and chose to remove myself in order not to catch negativismismismism :wacko:
BTW...that wasn't directed at anyone...specific
In part I disagree. Yes some do seem to like being there. Some have real medical reasons for being there. So its created by stress that damages basic functionality.
I think a blanket "choose to do something about it" statement is the same as the "harden up" one.
And of course you need to know you have a problem.
DMNTD
9th June 2012, 08:11
I think a blanket "choose to do something about it" statement is the same as the "harden up" one.
Disagree on that bit, IMO the 'harden up' statements sort of indicates that people should just handle it.
Choosing to do something about it is just that, making a choice, making a stand and having a crack
nzspokes
9th June 2012, 08:22
Disagree on that bit, IMO the 'harden up' statements sort of indicates that people should just handle it.
Choosing to do something about it is just that, making a choice, making a stand and having a crack
Understanding you have a problem is the core issue. Some people are just a bit down, not clinically depressed. Theres a huge difference.
There are tests you can take to get an understanding of where you are. Agreed some just like to moan. But a lot do not realize how bad they are. Especially males. I went to the doctor ages ago for a minor thing, she started asking questions as she had known me for 30 years. Turns out I was at extreme risk of self harm or worse. I had just thought things were a bit tough.
I didnt know I needed to choose to change.
nodrog
9th June 2012, 09:42
I think depression is like skateboarding was in the early '80's, "it's so hot right now".
nzspokes
9th June 2012, 09:47
I think depression is like skateboarding was in the early '80's, "it's so hot right now".
Maybe your stuck in the 80s when people used to blow there brains out with shotguns and it was called an accident.
nodrog
9th June 2012, 09:56
Maybe your stuck in the 80s when people used to blow there brains out with shotguns and it was called an accident.
Its called lead medication, it has a 100% success rate of curing depression.
scumdog
9th June 2012, 12:51
Maybe your stuck in the 80s when people used to blow there brains out with shotguns and it was called an accident.
Indeed.
I was constantly surprised at the number of 'accidental' deaths that happend "while cleaning his gun".
nzspokes
9th June 2012, 12:59
Indeed.
I was constantly surprised at the number of 'accidental' deaths that happend "while cleaning his gun".
I remember a shop keeper that had sorted his affairs and done just that at his business for the staff to find in the morning. Nobody knew he had a problem.
Back through the pages, I think was a Depression Ride being organised at some stage...fuck, imagine that?
nodrog
9th June 2012, 18:15
I remember a shop keeper that had sorted his affairs and done just that at his business for the staff to find in the morning. Nobody knew he had a problem.
was his name scott?
nzspokes
9th June 2012, 18:24
Back through the pages, I think was a Depression Ride being organise at some stage...fuck, imagine that?
Just bring some Valium and it will be a great old time. :lol:
blairnz
24th July 2012, 10:03
Wow - so much to read here on a thread going back years. It's not the sort of topic I'd have imagined on a biker forum.
I have my own personal experience with depression, one which my friends and family weren't aware of as I thought it was a weakness and I just needed to harden up. It's something I should share in case someone here can learn something from experience.
SHORT VERSION OF MY STORY: I had depression all my life. I didn't even know it for most of it as it was just how I thought life was. In recent years it got worse and worse until it felt like it was crushing me in deep darkness and leaving me almost paralysed at times. I could only think every moment about killing myself to end it.
It turned out it was a reaction to gluten proteins. Going gluten free in February this year removed a life time of depression and anxiety, as well as many other problems I wasn't even aware that were problems.
NORMAL VERSION MY STORY:
Until late February this year I suffered quietly with depression. It had reached a point where I was ready to kill myself as I didn't see a point in continuing as their was joy to be felt any thing I did anymore. I could see my life was really good too, but I could not escape this deep dark black hole that left me almost paralysed at times.
In my last attempts to deal with the depression I had moved back to NZ at the end of last year to be closer to family and old friends. I had gone to counselling for 9 months last year and dealt with personal and family issues. I had taken up team sports, I was baking and cooking lots, exercising daily, getting plenty of fresh air and sun light, taken up a non stressful job, was seeing old friends and family regularly, I was doing volunteer work helping those that couldn't help themselves in my spare time, yet the depression got worse and worse. I'd get home after work and not even make it to a chair or my bed but crash to the floor and just lay there for 20 minutes unable to move, barely able to breath, trying to gather my will power to push away the crushing depression. This happened at work too, and I'd lock myself in the bathroom for 20 minutes to get myself together to deal with things.
I had finally planned to end it all the evening following completing a project at work.
I went to take a late lunch, and grab a big sandwich from the cafeteria at work. While I was there a girl that I had seen speaking to my boss a few times waved to me. I went said hello and noted she had brought her own lunch to the cafeteria. I teased her about not trusting the food in the cafe. She responded that she didn't as she was gluten intolerant and the food here was full of it. I asked her what gluten intolerant meant, expecting that it made her poo funny or something of the sorts. She said that it made her suicidally depressed, and that it was her boyfriend that noted it happened shortly after having bread.
I took at look at the sandwich in my hand, thought about the stack of French Toast I had at 9am, and the 6 Weetbix I had at 7am. I thought about all the baking of danishes, cookies and cakes I had been doing lately, and pies I had been eating. I thought about all the Wendy's Old Fashioned hamburgers I had been eating since I came back to NZ and saw a correlation between my increase in depression and the amount of gluten I was taking.
I decided then to try gluten free. If it didn't work then I can go back to my plan to kill myself, but I'd give it a month.
With in four days I felt a lifetime of depression and anxiety vanish. It was the happiest day of my life. I had so much more energy. I could think clearer. I could sleep properly. The supposed stomach ulcers and chronic pancreatitis I had vanished. I started getting pins and needles over the coming weeks and sensation at the very tips of my fingers returned which had faded about 10 years ago.
I should have gone to the doctor's and had the various tests for gluten sensitivity and coeliac's disease as you need the gluten in your system for at least a couple of weeks to show the gluten protein antibodies.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Depression can be a physiological reaction to something in your diet. Life can get better and you can experience a range of emotions without feeling depressed again.
I'm happy to chat with anyone that has any questions.
Edbear
24th July 2012, 10:13
Wow - so much to read here on a thread going back years. It's not the sort of topic I'd have imagined on a biker forum.
I have my own personal experience with depression, one which my friends and family weren't aware of as I thought it was a weakness and I just needed to harden up. It's something I should share in case someone here can learn something from experience.
...SNIP...
MORAL OF THE STORY: Depression can be a physiological reaction to something in your diet. Life can get better and you can experience a range of emotions without feeling depressed again.
I'm happy to chat with anyone that has any questions.
True, we do have different reactions to certain substances and food, drugs etc. Especialy medications which affect people so radically differently that Drs. are cautious about prescribing a full course of drugs until they see how the patient reacts to it. I'm pleased you found a solution to your problem but gluten-free doesn't really appeal to me personally. I'm very grateful not to have much in the way of allergies.
Paul in NZ
24th July 2012, 10:49
Its not just psychological. I have fully blown coeliac which is gluten intolerance. I was not diagnosed until I got to the point of occasionally falling down in a heap due to low iron (intestines wrecked, not absorbing any nutrients)… Coupled into that I’m a type 1 diabetic (like 4 times the incidence of depression). There was the potential for things to get very glum…
Food is hugely important… It has a massive effect on our bodies / minds. Look at the relationship between alcohol and depression…
Maha
24th July 2012, 11:38
There was ride thread for depressed people somewhere..might have spawned from this thread.
Would have been one to stay away from, the lunch stop would have dragged you down.
Paul in NZ
24th July 2012, 12:05
There was ride thread for depressed people somewhere..might have spawned from this thread.
Would have been one to stay away from, the lunch stop would have dragged you down.
Is that one of those rides where if you get your knee down it just stays down?
Winston001
26th February 2014, 21:10
Haven't seen this thread for a while and the sad death of Charlotte Dawson brought it to mind. I know very little about her. Despite being well-known and hopefully with resources etc she couldn't fend off the dark places.
Just awful.
I don't think her illness had anything to do with Facebook and social media. Those intrusions in her life played on her vulnerability but didn't cause it. I'm pissed off that all the attention drawn by her death is shallow criticism of social media instead of deeper discussion of how a person can become so desperate that non-life is their choice.
FJRider
26th February 2014, 21:23
There was ride thread for depressed people somewhere..might have spawned from this thread.
Would have been one to stay away from, the lunch stop would have dragged you down.
I just love the caring person that you are ... to understand depression .. you need to suffer it .. I doubt by your post you ever will understand it.
Conquiztador
26th February 2014, 22:10
Not only focusing on depression this is something I think most on this site could/would support:
https://www.facebook.com/RatsRidersAgainstTeenSuicide
nodrog
27th February 2014, 16:00
I wish my lawn was depressed, then it would cut itself.
Stylo
27th February 2014, 18:18
I just love the caring person that you are ... to understand depression .. you need to suffer it .. I doubt by your post you ever will understand it.
Nice words FJ
Arrived home when I was only 15 after school and Mum was lying on the floor, razorblades , pills and a lot of blood on the floor. Holy fuck and she was only 37. Dead.
My 5 cents
Maha
27th February 2014, 18:27
I just love the caring person that you are ... to understand depression .. you need to suffer it .. I doubt by your post you ever will understand it.
Did you bite down hard on an apricot stone Trev?, you have interacted with me long enough on here to know I mean no malice with what I say.. I stopped all that in 2008
You sound like that JK advert...depression .org I'll see ya there.
FJRider
27th February 2014, 18:46
Did you bite down hard on an apricot stone Trev?, you have interacted with me long enough on here to know I mean no malice with what I say.. I stopped all that in 2008
You sound like that JK advert...depression .org I'll see ya there.
On KB there is only two colours ... black and white. Impersonal and without full inflection of the posters full feelings/meaning of their words known. My posts (usually) leave little doubt as to MY opinion/meaning in any given post.
I do not (usually) intend offense to most (friends) I reply to in posts ... and if I have with you ...
MY MOST HUMBLEST APOLOGIES ...
And ... give as good as you get ... (usually) works for me.
Sometimes I even get it right ... :pinch:
FJRider
27th February 2014, 19:00
Nice words FJ
Arrived home when I was only 15 after school and Mum was lying on the floor, razorblades , pills and a lot of blood on the floor. Holy fuck and she was only 37. Dead.
My 5 cents
There have been times in my life ... similar actions seemed like a good easy option. With the biggest battles going on inside my own head.
And some battles were won. Some continue ...
Watch this space ...
Akzle
27th February 2014, 19:08
a)depression is only one precursor to suicide.
b)i dont support anything on facebook. And its usually the wrong teens who suicide. (it should be the knuckle draggers who can neither operate a belt (around their waist:shit: ) or string a sentence together without five utterances of "like" and no similies)
c) dont know or give a fuck about dawson, ironically its probably only the effect its had on social media thats actually worth news time.
d) allah yarhamha, bitch.
Yamahardman
27th February 2014, 19:12
When I feel depressed I go and ride my motorbike.
When that fails, I go to the spca and play with the kittens.
Kittens (and cats) are like crack for me, I'm allergic to them, but still love them.
ZeroIndex
27th February 2014, 19:58
Wow, just found this post... so I thought I'd chime in, meds: the right meds are fucking amazing, I've been depressed for years, which over the last 2 years have been at it's worst. I won't go all out in detail, but life did not seem very bright. Jumped around different meds over the last 2 years, and I'm finally on some that work for me. My whole world has changed since then, and life now seems worth living. So yeah, if you are depressed or know someone that has depression... make sure you/they get on some good meds, switch until you find ones that work.
PS. I have spent time with councilors, psychologists, and a psychiatric nurse... and until I was prescribed medication that actually worked for me, it was all a waste of time
FJRider
27th February 2014, 20:25
Wow, just found this post... so I thought I'd chime in, meds: the right meds are fucking amazing, I've been depressed for years, which over the last 2 years have been at it's worst. I won't go all out in detail, but life did not seem very bright. Jumped around different meds over the last 2 years, and I'm finally on some that work for me. My whole world has changed since then, and life now seems worth living. So yeah, if you are depressed or know someone that has depression... make sure you/they get on some good meds, switch until you find ones that work.
PS. I have spent time with councilors, psychologists, and a psychiatric nurse... and until I was prescribed medication that actually worked for me, it was all a waste of time
Drugs change your feelings ... but the biggest help for depression is attitudes ... and THAT starts with your OWN.
Feeling good is not BEING good.
ZeroIndex
27th February 2014, 20:28
Drugs change your feelings ... but the biggest help for depression is attitudes ... and THAT starts with your OWN.
Feeling good is not BEING good.
Trust me when I say I had the best attitude at getting better when I was diagnosed with depression. All the good attitudes in the world did nothing for my depression until I was on good meds
Akzle
27th February 2014, 20:34
Wow, just found this post... so I thought I'd chime in, meds: the right meds are fucking amazing, I've been depressed for years, which over the last 2 years have been at it's worst. I won't go all out in detail, but life did not seem very bright. Jumped around different meds over the last 2 years, and I'm finally on some that work for me. My whole world has changed since then, and life now seems worth living. So yeah, if you are depressed or know someone that has depression... make sure you/they get on some good meds, switch until you find ones that work.
PS. I have spent time with councilors, psychologists, and a psychiatric nurse... and until I was prescribed medication that actually worked for me, it was all a waste of time
pharmaceuticals are not the answer for everyone.
Some people, no drugs work for.
Some people, any drus work for.
I always reccomend exhausting all natural remedy before subscribing to a chemical existence.
skippa1
27th February 2014, 20:39
pharmaceuticals are not the answer for everyone.
Some people, no drugs work for.
Some people, any drus work for.
I always reccomend exhausting all natural remedy before subscribing to a chemical existence.
Failing that, you can read one of Quasi's posts. Reminds you that even the unhappy manage to keep living, even if it's at a basic level
Akzle
27th February 2014, 20:44
Failing that, you can read one of Quasi's posts. Reminds you that even the unhappy manage to keep living, even if it's at a basic level
bro dont be dissin quasi. He ma homeboy yo.
nzspokes
27th February 2014, 20:46
Trust me when I say I had the best attitude at getting better when I was diagnosed with depression. All the good attitudes in the world did nothing for my depression until I was on good meds
You will hopefully work out what works for you. Nobody is the same. Glad to hear you found what works. :niceone:
skippa1
27th February 2014, 20:47
bro dont be dissin quasi. He ma homeboy yo.
Yeah I see that.....we're all each other's homies...not dissin, just messin
ZeroIndex
27th February 2014, 20:53
You will hopefully work out what works for you. Nobody is the same. Glad to hear you found what works. :niceone:
Thanks -10characters
The Reibz
27th February 2014, 20:54
Weird that there is depression awareness on a forum as ruthless as this one.
I was on meds for 2 years. I have depression along with alcoholism, which lead to events in 2012 which I would rather not get into publicly as I am still rather ashamed of myself. (throw me a PM though if you are in a shit place and need a bit of help getting out of it) Never mind that though.
Meds are only a temporary answer to a permanent problem. I gave up my meds in September last year and have felt fucking brilliant ever since. I lost 9kg and am now back to my pre-diagnosis physique and weight.
What's worked for me is keeping busy. I train for an hour every day at the gym as well as walking 8km to and from work. I ride as much as I can, joined a MC and get away on overnight rides whenever I can. I freedive and spearfish when ever I can, gotta come back as a stingray in my second life I think.
One bit of advice I can give people that are feeling like shit, is to stop worrying about others and start worrying about yourself. To often we all get involved in others affairs and problems and neglect taking the time to sort out our own well being. Everyday you need to take time out for yourself and figure out what you want from life. For me I got for a walk or a run, no one else can interrupt me, I have headphones in so any people that try to communicate with me are simply ignored. I have lost alot of friends on my journey but have gained alot of others in the process.
Just remember no matter how low you get that there is always a solution or a way out which isn't going to hurt those around you. Motivation for life is everywhere, you just need to find it (and not with the bottle, even though I still do it occasionally)
If all else fails, go do a skid on your bike. Coz skids are farkennnn sickkkkkk
FJRider
27th February 2014, 20:54
pharmaceuticals are not the answer for everyone.
They just make you forget the question ... :rolleyes:
Trust me when I say I had the best attitude at getting better when I was diagnosed with depression. All the good attitudes in the world did nothing for my depression until I was on good meds
Was it your attitudes or intentions that were good ... ?? and few I do trust ... You don't feature.
What you do is more important than what you think. ... Do positive as opposed to think positive. What you do makes the difference. Do nothing and nothing changes. (except the amount/type of drugs you "need") ...
ZeroIndex
27th February 2014, 20:58
@FJRider: Fine, you don't have to trust me... but I tried my best, and once I switched onto my 4th set of meds... everything changed
nzspokes
27th February 2014, 21:02
@FJRider: Fine, you don't have to trust me... but I tried my best, and once I switched onto my 4th set of meds... everything changed
There are those that get it and those that dont. FJ doesnt in this case.
Akzle
27th February 2014, 21:09
They just make you forget the question ...
there are no questions.
FJRider
27th February 2014, 21:13
Failing that, you can read one of Quasi's posts. Reminds you that even the unhappy manage to keep living, even if it's at a basic level
He can honestly say he doesn't live in New Plymouth ... and honestly saying that ... would brighten anybody's day ... :bleh:
skippa1
27th February 2014, 21:16
He can honestly say he doesn't live in New Plymouth ... and honestly saying that ... would brighten anybody's day ... :bleh:
We'll there you go, you know how to sort your shit out then
FJRider
27th February 2014, 21:19
there are no questions.
To have answers ... there must be questions.
Wrong answers do count ... but not for much.
Akzle
27th February 2014, 21:41
To have answers ... there must be questions.
Wrong answers do count ... but not for much.
hold on to your dentures because this will really blow your mind.
There are no answers.
Katiepie
27th February 2014, 21:41
Depression mixed with cyber bullying, abuse and death threats = a very toxic and dangerous mix. She lost the battle.
One positive from it though is finally people, and lots of fucking people, are talking about the issues that could be factors. Don't underestimate the effect that words sent to you from strangers via the internet can have on someone who is deeply unwell.
ZeroIndex
27th February 2014, 21:43
Depression mixed with cyber bullying, abuse and death threats = a very toxic and dangerous mix. She lost the battle.
One positive from it though is finally people, and lots of fucking people, are talking about the issues that could be factors. Don't underestimate the effect that words sent to you from strangers via the internet can have on someone who is deeply unwell.
I really, really like this post
FJRider
27th February 2014, 21:58
There are no answers.
I have no answer to that .. but I do have a question ... and you said there are no questions ... I'm confused AND depressed ... now ... :weep:
Winston001
28th February 2014, 00:43
Trevor - there is no one-solution to depression. The positive attitude is very good and can change/heal a person's perspective. That is a type of psycho-therapy - Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and for many people it is the right answer to their worries.
Nevertheless others experience brain chemistry imbalances which no amount of trying to be upbeat can overcome. The SSRI drugs re-balance neurotransmitters which results in a calmer more rational person.
Nobody wants to be reliant on pills but sometimes for a while, they are the most healthy choice some of us can make. It might only be for a few months but if the things work, use them. For example, my sister has an asthema inhaler - telling her not to use it would be stupid and final.
Stylo
28th February 2014, 18:04
I have no answer to that .. but I do have a question ... and you said there are no questions ... I'm confused AND depressed ... now ... :weep:
You Ok mate ?
Hope so , take it easy aye ?
FJRider
28th February 2014, 18:33
You Ok mate ?
Not sure what your weathers doing in Alex but pissing down here in the broken city.
M
Totally fine ... it was pissing down ... but the sun is out and setting.
Just another day in paradise ... and happy in the thought that Akzle is at the other end of the country. (still too close)
Akzle
28th February 2014, 18:38
Totally fine ... it was pissing down ... but the sun is out and setting.
Just another day in paradise ... and happy in the thought that Akzle is at the other end of the country. (still too close)
actually. Ive been going through your rubbish bins.
I think you need more protein in your diet. And probably have a word with the wife about throwing all those batteries out. Its not very environmentally friendly.
They were D size. Btw.... at least i hope the 6volt were for the dolphin torch...
FJRider
28th February 2014, 18:52
actually. Ive been going through your rubbish bins.
I think you need more protein in your diet. And probably have a word with the wife about throwing all those batteries out. Its not very environmentally friendly.
They were D size. Btw.... at least i hope the 6volt were for the dolphin torch...
If I wasn't so depressed ... I'd be paranoid ... :bleh:
Akzle
28th February 2014, 19:38
If I wasn't so depressed ... I'd be paranoid ... :bleh:
add a dose of schitsophrenia and you can get some funken awesome scripts...
Stylo
28th February 2014, 19:40
If I wasn't so depressed ... I'd be paranoid ... :bleh:
Take it easy FJ, you might remember I called in to your place a while back for a coffee.
I was on the Black Hayabusa, well overdue for another trip down to central, can't wait mate, still got the Yamaha ?
FJRider
28th February 2014, 19:51
Take it easy FJ, you might remember I called in to your place a while back for a coffee.
I was on the Black Hayabusa, well overdue for another trip down to central, can't wait mate, still got the Yamaha ?
I do remember yes ... and for the record ... (my) reports of depression are greatly exaggerated ... ;)
I've still got the big yammie ... :yes:
skippa1
28th February 2014, 20:19
(my) reports of depression are greatly exaggerated ... ;)
Most are....
ZeroIndex
1st March 2014, 02:40
Trevor - there is no one-solution to depression. The positive attitude is very good and can change/heal a person's perspective. That is a type of psycho-therapy - Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and for many people it is the right answer to their worries.
Nevertheless others experience brain chemistry imbalances which no amount of trying to be upbeat can overcome. The SSRI drugs re-balance neurotransmitters which results in a calmer more rational person.
Nobody wants to be reliant on pills but sometimes for a while, they are the most healthy choice some of us can make. It might only be for a few months but if the things work, use them. For example, my sister has an asthema inhaler - telling her not to use it would be stupid and final.
the worst thing though (which I've heard a lot) is people get diagnosed with depression, get on meds... and after 4-6 weeks, they think they're "better", so they throw away their meds and a couple of weeks later wonder why they're feeling like shit again.
If you get prescribed medication... it's there for a reason, if you think you're better, GO ASK YOUR DOCTOR. If they decide to lower your dosage, then you can... but never just decide "I don't need this shit anymore"
My dad decided to lower his meds himself, was feeling low, and after confronting him about it, he has gone back to his normal meds and feels more energised.
Katman
1st March 2014, 05:05
It's a shame that so many people think the answer lies in medication.
skippa1
1st March 2014, 06:09
It's a shame that so many people think the answer lies in medication.
It's done wonders for Ed
ZeroIndex
1st March 2014, 10:05
It's done wonders for Ed
and for me too
unstuck
1st March 2014, 10:41
It's a shame that so many people think the answer lies in medication.
But the medical profession tell us its ok. And doctors are seen by many to be pillars of the community and therefore completely trustworthy. Stupid humans. :shutup:
Ocean1
1st March 2014, 11:02
It's a shame that so many people think the answer lies in medication.
It's a pity that so many ill informed "experts" see fit to comment on the choices others make.
husaberg
1st March 2014, 12:30
Depression is different for every person that suffers from it.
The triggers and the depths of depression some people reach are all different.
The first part of dealing with it for an individual is recognizing something is wrong.
Understanding this and the understanding of others can help a lot.
A lot of people have positive results, just with understanding of what is going on and support from others.
For some they need to balance their chemical levels to a get to a place that is comfortable better space
"Deprive any human of sunlight and stimulus for a prolonged time and we will all reach a level of depression.
Metaphorically and literally.......................Husaberg 2013"
Katman
1st March 2014, 13:36
It's a pity that so many ill informed "experts" see fit to comment on the choices others make.
Everyone's entitled to my own opinion.
nodrog
1st March 2014, 16:16
You cunts just need a decent bedtime by the looks of things.
Akzle
1st March 2014, 16:25
You cunts just need a decent bedtime by the looks of things.
right words, wrong order:
you just need decent time in bed with cunts.
(fuck. It hasnt even been a long day. :( )
Winston001
2nd March 2014, 00:47
It's a shame that so many people think the answer lies in medication.
But the medical profession tell us its ok. And doctors are seen by many to be pillars of the community and therefore completely trustworthy. Stupid humans. :shutup:
Its become popular in recent years to bag the medical professsion and pharmaceutical companies for depression drugs but that doesn't mean the criticisms are correct. They simply aren't.
The evidence is the huge number of people able to recover balanced and calm thinking which clinicians - and families see every day. Doctors who often know their patients for more than 20 years would not prescribe something which wasn't working.
Husaberg said it best above - depression is different for every person. Often its like the common cold, something which intrudes into your life from time to time but goes away at others. If a medicine can heal your brain chemistry then just as with diabetes, heart problems, asthma etc take the stuff.
FJRider
2nd March 2014, 06:53
Its become popular in recent years to bag the medical professsion and pharmaceutical companies for depression drugs but that doesn't mean the criticisms are correct. They simply aren't.
It doesn't mean they are all wrong either ...
The evidence is the huge number of people able to recover balanced and calm thinking which clinicians - and families see every day. Doctors who often know their patients for more than 20 years would not prescribe something which wasn't working.
They prescribe mind altering drugs legally ... and you say that is ok .. ???
Do you think 20 years of reliance on mind altering drugs is a good thing ... The "balanced and calm thinking" is really just slowed thinking. And the medications are more for the benefit of the family's ... than the patient. But it's cheaper to have them at home under the care (read observation) of their family ...
Husaberg said it best above - depression is different for every person. Often its like the common cold, something which intrudes into your life from time to time but goes away at others. If a medicine can heal your brain chemistry then just as with diabetes, heart problems, asthma etc take the stuff.
Depression, Diabetes, heart problems, asthma etc are NOT "Healed" with drugs ... merely treated. The actual problems still REMAIN. And need to continue getting treatment for the remainder of their lives.
Akzle
2nd March 2014, 07:39
It doesn't mean they are all wrong either ...
They prescribe mind altering drugs legally ... and you say that is ok .. ???
Do you think 20 years of reliance on mind altering drugs is a good thing ... The "balanced and calm thinking" is really just slowed thinking. And the medications are more for the benefit of the family's ... than the patient. But it's cheaper to have them at home under the care (read observation) of their family ...
Depression, Diabetes, heart problems, asthma etc are NOT "Healed" with drugs ... merely treated. The actual problems still REMAIN. And need to continue getting treatment for the remainder of their lives.
scary picture youre painting.
Unfortunately, in many cases, not far off the mark.
Treat the symptom. Not the cause. Nothing like 4 decades guaranteed repeat business to keep pharmac's boredroom happy. Nice stable financial plot...
wwjd
And cannabis is still illegal. To borrow unstuck:
stupid humans!
swbarnett
2nd March 2014, 08:58
They prescribe mind altering drugs legally ... and you say that is ok .. ???
Do you think 20 years of reliance on mind altering drugs is a good thing ... The "balanced and calm thinking" is really just slowed thinking. And the medications are more for the benefit of the family's ... than the patient. But it's cheaper to have them at home under the care (read observation) of their family ...
This is completely wrong on so many levels. And I'm not about to go in to how or why.
Conquiztador
2nd March 2014, 11:43
The internet does not ask for qualifications based on years of study and learning, before you can air your view. As a result you can find support for your opinion no matter how wrong you are.
husaberg
2nd March 2014, 13:52
Arguing the merits of drugs vs other treatments is meaningless everyone is different.
Below are quotes mixed together from suffers of depression that struck a cord with me.
The other is the best description i have seen thus far..........
bluninja
2nd March 2014, 14:08
Depression is sitting on sunny day with a great bike in the garage ready to go and you just can't get up the energy or motivation to go and ride it. You know sitting on your arse surfing the net will not improve things but it doesn't stop you typing :msn-wink:
swbarnett
2nd March 2014, 15:16
Depression is sitting on sunny day with a great bike in the garage ready to go and you just can't get up the energy or motivation to go and ride it. You know sitting on your arse surfing the net will not improve things but it doesn't stop you typing :msn-wink:
Depression can go much deeper than that. You have to get out of bed first.
nzspokes
2nd March 2014, 18:47
Depression can go much deeper than that. You have to get out of bed first.
Had a friend a while back that her partner would spend a week in bed. He couldnt cope with the world. That was when he had felt good and came off his meds. He would crash. Some people need the drugs to function.
Akzle
2nd March 2014, 19:00
Had a friend a while back that her partner would spend a week in bed. He couldnt cope with the world. That was when he had felt good and came off his meds. He would crash. Some people need the drugs to function.
as a stepping stone.
Ive met two people in my life that needed medicating full time. One even was. Fucking passive zombie. Scared to fuck about most shit. Paranoid, always 'my precious' about his drugs. Religious about them.
Better than nailing puppies to the wall though, eh.
nzspokes
2nd March 2014, 20:23
as a stepping stone.
Ive met two people in my life that needed medicating full time. One even was. Fucking passive zombie. Scared to fuck about most shit. Paranoid, always 'my precious' about his drugs. Religious about them.
Better than nailing puppies to the wall though, eh.
I would doubt he will ever be able to function in life without meds. His Psyhc and Doc dont think he will cope with out them and have diagnosed him Bi Polar. No drugs are not the long term answer for everybody but in some cases it is needed.
nerrrd
2nd March 2014, 20:34
The mind is a strange and wonderful thing, dealing with it might be more of an art than a science?
Seeing someone struggling with it at the moment, its fascinating and heart-breaking all at once.
Tazz
2nd March 2014, 21:58
Different strokes for different folks eh.
Along with some other crap I couldn't leave the house for a month two years ago. Was living alone at the time and just freaked the fark out about having to deal with people. I still don't/can't check voice messages on my phone for some reason and crowds of new people are a bit dicey. Keeps life interesting for better or for worse :lol: but I'd have been fawked without meds, more sunlight and a bit more exercise (as stupid as the last two sound). Anyone who says otherwise about meds, good for you, but it's what worked for me (and others) and if prescribed by my Dr I will take whatever they throw at me (after reading up on it). Luckily it is a last resort for the Dr back home and the Dr up here rather than a first port of call.
There is another family member can't function around others without them. They would be fine left to their own devices in a log cabin in the middle of nowhere, but responsibilities take away the luxury of that option.
Felt/feel a bit 'precious' about the whole thing, but shit happens and crazy people have more fun.
oneblackflag
3rd March 2014, 00:20
I can't answer unknown phone numbers to me. Not into crowds. Was on the meds for a long time, got me to function reasonably.
As JK recommends, exercise and getting out into some sun always mekes me feel better. Haven't had many problems since having an active job (not the stressful one my degree was preping me for).
Buying a bike may have been my best decision so far, start going to that dark place... Jump on the bike for a hoon. Off the meds these days, no longer need them; thankful they were there, could easily have been another statistic.
Maha
3rd March 2014, 05:26
Depression is sitting on sunny day with a great bike in the garage ready to go and you just can't get up the energy or motivation to go and ride it. You know sitting on your arse surfing the net will not improve things but it doesn't stop you typing :msn-wink:
I wasn't having a good day at work last week sometime, the owner of the business said to me '' Does riding your bike relieve stress''? I answered in the affirmative and he suggested that I forget about work for a while and go for a ride. It was an hour (or so) that helped the situation no end.
Akzle
3rd March 2014, 05:37
No drugs are not the long term answer for everybody but in some cases it is needed.
this. Slightly.
Two people, out of all the unhinged, awkward, weird assholes ive met.
As murica, nz is far too overprescribed.
Plenty of self medicators. But thats illegal and bad hmkay.
nzspokes
3rd March 2014, 07:01
Plenty of self medicators. But thats illegal and bad hmkay.
Because that would never be the cause of mental health issues. :facepalm:
Katman
3rd March 2014, 07:15
Because that would never be the cause of mental health issues. :facepalm:
Well clearly it's not the cause of yours.
Akzle
3rd March 2014, 08:41
Because that would never be the cause of mental health issues. :facepalm:
no. No i dont believe it ever is.
And those i know that do self medicate, do so superlingly, upstanding members of the community like.
Drug use may exacerbate underlying mental conditions, but narry may cause.
bluninja
3rd March 2014, 13:13
Depression can go much deeper than that. You have to get out of bed first.
I find it too uncomfortable to lie in bed and type so I sit and type :yes:
bluninja
3rd March 2014, 13:17
I wasn't having a good day at work last week sometime, the owner of the business said to me '' Does riding your bike relieve stress''? I answered in the affirmative and he suggested that I forget about work for a while and go for a ride. It was an hour (or so) that helped the situation no end.
Good for you, if you get really stressed let me know an I'll put the kettle on for you to have a cuppa half way through your ride :P
nzspokes
3rd March 2014, 13:24
no. No i dont believe it ever is.
And those i know that do self medicate, do so superlingly, upstanding members of the community like.
Drug use may exacerbate underlying mental conditions, but narry may cause.
You keep believing that......:wacko:
Akzle
3rd March 2014, 13:31
You keep believing that......:wacko:
well you know now i have to ask for proof. So, what drugs cause what mental conditions?
swbarnett
3rd March 2014, 13:59
well you know now i have to ask for proof. So, what drugs cause what mental conditions?
Any drug that kills brain cells will lead to at least minor brain damage if used to excess or for too long.
Akzle
3rd March 2014, 14:02
Any drug that kills brain cells will lead to at least minor brain damage if used to excess or for too long.
mmm yes, so what drug kills minor brain cells?
Tazz
3rd March 2014, 14:08
Alchamahol? But that's socially acceptable so it's ok, where as medication is the devil.
Akzle
3rd March 2014, 14:16
Alchamahol? But that's socially acceptable so it's ok, where as medication is the devil.
slight difference. Alcohol is a neurotoxin. Not a drug. For a really epic alcohol buzz, try some meningitis.
symptoms of meningitis.
Fever
persistent headache
Neck stiffness and pain that makes it difficult to touch your chin to your chest
Nausea and vomiting
Confusion and disorientation (acting "goofy")
Drowsiness or sluggishness
Sensitivity to bright light
More severe symptoms include seizure and coma
swbarnett
3rd March 2014, 16:10
mmm yes, so what drug kills minor brain cells?
Alocohol spring immediately to mind.
Anything that restricts the flow of oxygen to the brain would qualify.
And, yes alcohol is a drug. The Oxfoed dictionary defines a drug as:
A medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body
Akzle
3rd March 2014, 17:07
Alocohol spring immediately to mind.
Anything that restricts the flow of oxygen to the brain would qualify.
And, yes alcohol is a drug. The Oxfoed dictionary defines a drug as:
A medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body
so all foods (substances) are drugs? (have a physiological effect)
yes?
-e-
and please feel free to be specific about "anything"s that restrict blood flow.
swbarnett
4th March 2014, 07:24
so all foods (substances) are drugs? (have a physiological effect)
yes?
Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. You may well be right. More likely the definition is a bit vague.
I did, however, find something that defined a neurotoxin as a drug that causes brain damage.
-e-
and please feel free to be specific about "anything"s that restrict blood flow.
Anything that lowers blood pressure will lower the amount of oxygen getting to the brain. Asprin for example. That's why people on medication to lower blood pressure are advised not to take it.
Akzle
4th March 2014, 07:54
I did, however, find something that defined a neurotoxin as a drug that causes brain damage.
given the alcohol culture in nz id say thats exactly correct. Except it isnt a drug.
When you take a drug,
It alters your chemistry. The result is what you feel as a high. Consider cannabanoid and opiate receptors. (consider also sugar, coffee, msg etc. yes. They do drug your food.)
When alcohol is consumed, what you feel is your body's immune/ defence system reacting to the toxin, as pointed out, some pathogens also cause a similar reaction.
Anything that lowers blood pressure will lower the amount of oxygen getting to the brain. Asprin for example.
perhaps i should have been clearer in my definition of self medicating.
The use of substances, typically non-pharmaceutical, as and where the individual deems it apropriate without any "professional" doctors advice.
Asprin wasnt exactly where i was going with this...
Akzle
4th March 2014, 07:58
Anything that lowers blood pressure will lower the amount of oxygen getting to the brain.
also i dont believe this to be 100%
i doubt most peoples blood typically carries 100% of its oxygen capacity.
Winston001
4th March 2014, 21:33
Ok just to muddy the waters and give a nod to the anti-drug people here, there is a major schism in psychiatry between using medicine on the one hand, and using psycho-analysis on the other.
The Freudians say (with some validity) that drugs only treat the symptoms and the real reason the human brain messes up the neurotransmitters is because certain traumatic events have affected the brain.
The psycho-pharmacists on the other hand say So what?. The SSRI drugs can be life changing and they work. By all means have counseling or analysis but in the meantime treat the illness.
Seems sensible to me.
ZeroIndex
5th March 2014, 00:02
Ok just to muddy the waters and give a nod to the anti-drug people here, there is a major schism in psychiatry between using medicine on the one hand, and using psycho-analysis on the other.
The Freudians say (with some validity) that drugs only treat the symptoms and the real reason the human brain messes up the neurotransmitters is because certain traumatic events have affected the brain.
The psycho-pharmacists on the other hand say So what?. The SSRI drugs can be life changing and they work. By all means have counseling or analysis but in the meantime treat the illness.
Seems sensible to me.
I have to agree with you... while for some people with depression, counseling/analysis can, and obviously does help.
Antidepression meds can be life changing and they "can" work. I went through 4 different SSRI/SNRI/NaSSA/Antidepression meds before I found a cocktail that worked.
Everyone's brain is wired differently, and even though I went for counseling/analysis... it didn't make the slightest difference; and often I would leave those sessions feeling worse than I had before I went.
I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, with constant suicidal ideation, I spent a week in a respite center at one point when I was right on the verge of driving my car at high speed into a concrete bridge substructure (somehow I managed to pull myself together long enough to check myself into hospital. After that, I was assigned a psychiatric nurse who tried to help me adjust my day-to-day patterns, which didn't help. Once I got onto (after 2+ weeks) a cocktail of Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine (nicknamed: California Rocket Fuel), my whole outlook on life changed. Before I got onto CRF, I used to wake up... sad that I hadn't just died in my sleep, days were dreary, I couldn't find a single reason to live for. The only reason I made it through was fear of a failed suicide, and living the rest of my life as a braindead vegetable. Yes, morbid I know.
Back to CRF: I mean, since I got onto my new meds, life is looking fucking great... and it's not due to any of the counseling etc (of which I haven't had since I switched). My psychiatric nurse is amazed with my improvement and this Friday, I'm finally ready to go see WorkWise in regards to getting back into the workforce.
TL;DR - Before the right medical treatment, I couldn't find a reason to live... and now, I can't wait to see what life will bring me next! :first:
Winston001
5th March 2014, 14:01
Along with some other crap I couldn't leave the house for a month two years ago. Was living alone at the time and just freaked the fark out about having to deal with people. I still don't/can't check voice messages on my phone for some reason and crowds of new people are a bit dicey.
Yeeeuuupp...been there. Still can't open mail until it piles up.
Keeps life interesting for better or for worse :lol: but I'd have been fawked without meds, more sunlight and a bit more exercise (as stupid as the last two sound). Anyone who says otherwise about meds, good for you, but it's what worked for me (and others)....
True. Sunlight and exercise really help, its getting started that is hardest.
ZeroIndex
5th March 2014, 18:59
True. Sunlight and exercise really help, its getting started that is hardest.
I tried the "sunlight and exercise" ...that didn't help me get over my depression when I was on the wrong meds / counseling, although, now I'm just crave going out and doing stuff... it's fucking awesome :niceone:
Tazz
5th March 2014, 19:20
given the alcohol culture in nz id say thats exactly correct. Except it isnt a drug.
When you take a drug,
It alters your chemistry. The result is what you feel as a high. Consider cannabanoid and opiate receptors. (consider also sugar, coffee, msg etc. yes. They do drug your food.)
When alcohol is consumed, what you feel is your body's immune/ defence system reacting to the toxin, as pointed out, some pathogens also cause a similar reaction.
perhaps i should have been clearer in my definition of self medicating.
The use of substances, typically non-pharmaceutical, as and where the individual deems it apropriate without any "professional" doctors advice.
Asprin wasnt exactly where i was going with this...
I thought alcomahol tickled some brain receptors and the like, releasing endorphins and some other jazz, as in it is doing more than just reducing the oxygen levels in your blood or having your body go on a rampage trying to shun it away. I really need to read up on what I'm waffling about again so I'll throw up a link later on, wipe it off then post it up =D
I don't know how it can make you happy and be a depressant at the same time though, or maybe it is just the after effects? Meh. To google!
Akzle
5th March 2014, 19:28
I don't know how it can make you happy and be a depressant at the same time though, or maybe it is just the after effects? Meh. To google!
nicotine is a depressant. Coffee and cigs is a pretty hefty load for teh brian.
It depends what is being depressed. NRIs 'depress' the uptakey majigs so the dopamine remains on tap.
Also. Depressant is a class of drug. Alcohol is a toxin.
Ask anyone with hypothermia if theyre 'happy' or not.
Akzle
5th March 2014, 19:35
well, fart in my mouth and call me your sister.
"Alcohol increases the effects of
the inhibitory
neurotransmitter GABA in the brain. GABA causes the
sluggish movements and
slurred speech that often occur
in alcoholics. At the same time,
alcohol inhibits the excitatory
neurotransmitter glutamate. Suppressing this stimulant
results in a similar type of
physiological slowdown. In
addition to increasing the
GABA and decreasing the
glutamate in the brain, alcohol increases the amount of the
chemical dopamine in the brain's reward center, which
creates the feeling of pleasure
that occurs when someone
takes a drink."
and
"Alcohol is classified as a
general anesthetic, which
produces a range of central
nervous system (CNS) effects
similar to those of other
sedative/hypnotic drugs."
http://forcon.ca/learning/alcohol.html
Ocean1
5th March 2014, 19:52
alcohol increases the amount of the
chemical dopamine in the brain's reward center, which
creates the feeling of pleasure
that occurs when someone
takes a drink."
Except for depressed people. One of a number of differences between a normal brain and a depressed one, and the reason a doctor will tell depressed people not to drink.
Another depressing fact: Depressed brains aren't just depressed emotionally, pretty much all brain related processes are impaired to some degree.
nzspokes
5th March 2014, 20:16
I have to agree with you... while for some people with depression, counseling/analysis can, and obviously does help.
Antidepression meds can be life changing and they "can" work. I went through 4 different SSRI/SNRI/NaSSA/Antidepression meds before I found a cocktail that worked.
Everyone's brain is wired differently, and even though I went for counseling/analysis... it didn't make the slightest difference; and often I would leave those sessions feeling worse than I had before I went.
I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, with constant suicidal ideation, I spent a week in a respite center at one point when I was right on the verge of driving my car at high speed into a concrete bridge substructure (somehow I managed to pull myself together long enough to check myself into hospital. After that, I was assigned a psychiatric nurse who tried to help me adjust my day-to-day patterns, which didn't help. Once I got onto (after 2+ weeks) a cocktail of Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine (nicknamed: California Rocket Fuel), my whole outlook on life changed. Before I got onto CRF, I used to wake up... sad that I hadn't just died in my sleep, days were dreary, I couldn't find a single reason to live for. The only reason I made it through was fear of a failed suicide, and living the rest of my life as a braindead vegetable. Yes, morbid I know.
Back to CRF: I mean, since I got onto my new meds, life is looking fucking great... and it's not due to any of the counseling etc (of which I haven't had since I switched). My psychiatric nurse is amazed with my improvement and this Friday, I'm finally ready to go see WorkWise in regards to getting back into the workforce.
TL;DR - Before the right medical treatment, I couldn't find a reason to live... and now, I can't wait to see what life will bring me next! :first:
Brilliant. Very happy for you. :niceone:
Madness
5th March 2014, 20:56
Brilliant. Very happy for you. :niceone:
Got me wondering. How would you feel if someone had been through a similar journey to that of ZeroIndex but instead of relying on a cocktail of pharmaceuticals to get through their day, they found that a puff or twelve of Cannabis most evenings made all the difference? That shit happens.
unstuck
6th March 2014, 06:31
It,s all about momentum for me. Noticing when those thoughts that lead to a depressing state of mind begin to form, and shut them down. It,s a bit like parking your car at the top of a hill and forgetting to put the handbrake on, when you get out and notice the car is moving, it,s not so hard to stop it. But you try stopping that car a bit further down the hill once it has a bit of momentum going, your in for one good beating. Thoughts are the same, if you let them get away on you, your gonna get beaten up. :Punk::Punk:
Awareness of self, is priceless. Ya crazy bastards.:shake:
Akzle
6th March 2014, 07:00
It,s all about momentum for me. ...etc...
Awareness of self, is priceless. Ya crazy bastards.:shake:
youre a changed man! Home D Must have reformed you!
unstuck
6th March 2014, 16:21
youre a changed man! Home D Must have reformed you!
No home D, just the community service. But that finished last week.:bleh:
And Im always changing, standing water stagnates.:msn-wink:
Ulsterkiwi
6th March 2014, 17:41
well, fart in my mouth and call me your sister.
humility! I am impressed
see what happens when you follow your own advice and get your facts right. Knowledge is a powerful thing, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
well done that man :Punk::Punk::Punk:
Akzle
6th March 2014, 17:48
humility! I am impressed
see what happens when you follow your own advice and get your facts right. Knowledge is a powerful thing, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
well done that man :Punk::Punk::Punk:
what the fuck? im humil as.
Im just not often wrong, is all.
Still, call it an anaesthetic all you want, it affects the brain im ways science doesn't understand, and is fuken toxic any way you look at it.
unstuck
6th March 2014, 17:56
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1959556_10152002124477947_423534623_n.jpg
Ulsterkiwi
6th March 2014, 17:57
what the fuck? im humil as.
Im just not often wrong, is all.
Still, call it an anaesthetic all you want, it affects the brain im ways science doesn't understand, and is fuken toxic any way you look at it.
still, you called it when you saw the error of your thinking.
You are correct, science does not understand much more than it does. Paracetamol is an acceptable and widely used drug and is considered safe, has been for years. Its mechanism of action is still not fully understood. Go figure.
As far as alcohol being toxic is concerned, yes it is, in sufficiently high quantities or blood plasma concentrations, but then everything is, including paracetamol and for that matter, oxygen. Yet, we would have a tough time metabolising without it, then bacteria would take over and all our problems would be gone. Just saying.
nzspokes
25th March 2014, 06:04
Got me wondering. How would you feel if someone had been through a similar journey to that of ZeroIndex but instead of relying on a cocktail of pharmaceuticals to get through their day, they found that a puff or twelve of Cannabis most evenings made all the difference? That shit happens.
If the patient has been diagnosed with a condition that it is the best treatment for then I have no problem with it, obviously a few real medical professionals need to be involved in this process not just mates at the pub.
Otherwise its just an excuse for an addiction.
Akzle
25th March 2014, 18:37
Paracetamol is an acceptable and widely used drug and is considered safe, has been for years. Its mechanism of action is still not fully understood. Go figure.
i dont touch that shit either.
Theres some serious pharmajews with interest in it. Its the only aniline analgesic left on the market. Surprisingly, or not, the rest were pulled due to toxicity issues.
vifferman
1st April 2014, 20:53
Once I got onto (after 2+ weeks) a cocktail of Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine (nicknamed: California Rocket Fuel), my whole outlook on life changed.
Back to CRF: I mean, since I got onto my new meds, life is looking fucking great... and it's not due to any of the counseling etc (of which I haven't had since I switched). My psychiatric nurse is amazed with my improvement and this Friday, I'm finally ready to go see WorkWise in regards to getting back into the workforce.
TL;DR - Before the right medical treatment, I couldn't find a reason to live... and now, I can't wait to see what life will bring me next! :first:
That's really great to hear! :niceone:
I'm honestly pleased things have worked out for you, as it's not always an easy thing to sort out.
I've been on and off medication for .... hmmm... the last 15 years, and never found anything that's worked really well. I remember very clearly when I was first diagnosed with depression, and the very first small dose of ... hmmm... paroxetine, I think it was, made me feel ORDINARY! And not unhappy! It made me realise how shit I had been feeling. Since then, nothing has been quite so effective,
I've had just about everything my MD or specialists could prescribe, had all kinds of tests, and some meds have worked for a while, then stopped working, then dosage upped, worked, didn't etc etc. try something new, and on and on. Counselling was pointless (and expensive).
Alcohol can make me feel numb or even happyish, but overall, to be honest, worse.
A specialist (who specialised in Bipolar disorder) reckoned I was bipolar, and prescribed Epilim, but that made me feel worse than not taking it, so that cured me for a while...
I thought at the time he was wrong, but now don't. Thinking about it, I've had episodes of semi-mania, with bizarre and creative thinking (connecting unrelated things, crazy talk, etc.) interspersed with really black moods. The mania was entertaining enough to compensate for the shit.
While I've been on both Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine (the latter for the last dunno-how-many-years), and some other drugs in combination, I've never had both Venlafaxine and Mirtazapine together.
It gets a bit tiresome being medicated, especially putting up with feeling the side-effects, so every so often I have a break with no meds.
Thankfully, I've finally got over the major side-effect of mirtazapine (which is used to treat anorexia, among other things, and gives you terrible food cravings, especially for chocolate). I'm currently fitter and lighter than I've been for over 30 years, and I think the fitness has helped (but boring work, NOT!).
So, I've sort of reached a position of equilibrium, I think. Not happy, but mostly coping. I'm a bit lacking in self-control, especially with booze, or when riding, so while I commute by bike every day, I don't tend to do weekend rides (and it doesn't help that since my wife bought a convertible, she's not interested in going on the bike. Fair enough, I guess). Perhaps I've settled for less than I might be able to achieve, but it's mostly working, which I guess is better than most can hope for, eh?
Akzle
1st April 2014, 21:57
I've been on and off medication for .... hmmm...
paroxetine,
just about everything my MD or specialists could prescribe,
then dosage upped, worked, didn't etc etc.
Alcohol
Epilim,
Venlafaxine
Mirtazapine
try cannabis.
vifferman
2nd April 2014, 19:26
try cannabis.
I have, a few times, but that was years ago, before things got complicated, so I've not had the opportunity to check out the 'medicinal benfits'. No doubt I could get some from one of my sons (he's pretty open about everything he does, including all the drugs he's tried). My GP tells me it's his drug of choice too.
Akzle
3rd April 2014, 05:37
I have, a few times, but that was years ago, before things got complicated, so I've not had the opportunity to check out the 'medicinal benfits'. No doubt I could get some from one of my sons (he's pretty open about everything he does, including all the drugs he's tried). My GP tells me it's his drug of choice too.
yeah, much better, safer, than a pharmaceutical cocktail, no overdose, easily regulated. there's nothing complicated about it. except society's piss poor attitude towards it.
you've going to want a nice outdoor indica, not the super skunky indos, the kind you can function on.
i would give you some seeds.. but after a not so brief discussion with her majesty's finest, i don't have any anymore. i'll get some more sometime though. northshore eh..... where's old scissorhands?
and you should definitely ride you bike on weekends.
unstuck
3rd April 2014, 06:36
Smoking cannabis has fuck all health benefits, apart from helping you to relax, emotionally and physically. Cannabis oil on the other hand, has been proven to be very good medicine for a number of medical complaints. If smoking weed can chill you out long enough to take your focus off of what is ailing you, then your bodies natural healing will kick in. Keep a positive attitude is the best cure for any mental disorder.
http://home.comcast.net/~kimerykreations//pwpimages/.__450_211_things-could-be-worse-079.jpg
Akzle
3rd April 2014, 13:06
Smoking cannabis has fuck all health benefits,
i'm surprised you think that. it's benefits are many, and well documented.
unstuck
3rd April 2014, 14:54
i'm surprised you think that. it's benefits are many, and well documented.
Inhaling any form of smoke, is likely to be causing more damage than it would be fixing, lungs are not deigned for the job. All the big pharma companies also have much well documented literature extolling the virtues of their various medications. :msn-wink:
Akzle
3rd April 2014, 17:55
Inhaling any form of smoke, is likely to be causing more damage than it would be fixing, lungs are not deigned for the job. All the big pharma companies also have much well documented literature extolling the virtues of their various medications. :msn-wink:
independently verifiable unbiased non-propoganda type evidence.
and no, i smoke like a motherfucker, and am fitter than most motherfuckers. smoke in and of itself isn't *incredibly* harmful, there's certainly worse things that most people huff daily.
i didn't say cannabis fixes damage (although look in to some glaucoma shit)
to my mind, even smoked (as opposed to other forms of ingestion) it produces more benefit than harm.
unstuck
3rd April 2014, 19:36
independently verifiable unbiased non-propoganda type evidence.
and no, i smoke like a motherfucker, and am fitter than most motherfuckers. smoke in and of itself isn't *incredibly* harmful, there's certainly worse things that most people huff daily.
i didn't say cannabis fixes damage (although look in to some glaucoma shit)
to my mind, even smoked (as opposed to other forms of ingestion) it produces more benefit than harm.
True dat.:niceone:
Edbear
4th April 2014, 11:12
I have, a few times, but that was years ago, before things got complicated, so I've not had the opportunity to check out the 'medicinal benfits'. No doubt I could get some from one of my sons (he's pretty open about everything he does, including all the drugs he's tried). My GP tells me it's his drug of choice too.
yeah, much better, safer, than a pharmaceutical cocktail, no overdose, easily regulated. there's nothing complicated about it. except society's piss poor attitude towards it.
you've going to want a nice outdoor indica, not the super skunky indos, the kind you can function on.
i would give you some seeds.. but after a not so brief discussion with her majesty's finest, i don't have any anymore. i'll get some more sometime though. northshore eh..... where's old scissorhands?
and you should definitely ride you bike on weekends.
Smoking cannabis has fuck all health benefits, apart from helping you to relax, emotionally and physically. Cannabis oil on the other hand, has been proven to be very good medicine for a number of medical complaints. If smoking weed can chill you out long enough to take your focus off of what is ailing you, then your bodies natural healing will kick in. Keep a positive attitude is the best cure for any mental disorder.
http://home.comcast.net/~kimerykreations//pwpimages/.__450_211_things-could-be-worse-079.jpg
Inhaling any form of smoke, is likely to be causing more damage than it would be fixing, lungs are not deigned for the job. All the big pharma companies also have much well documented literature extolling the virtues of their various medications. :msn-wink:
As you know, I prefer to go by actual documented scientific findings and sorry to say, (okay I'm not really sorry :rolleyes:), smoking anything is definitely bad for your health and will damage you, guaranteed. Smoking causes cancer, not just facillitating it. Axzle you need to go and get a chest x-ray and you will see just how damaged your lungs are. That's a challenge, by the way... :whistle:
Scientific studies prove there are benefits medically from cannabis, but not in it's raw form. ie: smoking it. People using cannabis may enjoy getting stoned, but the facts are that it's going to cause physical problems, guaranteed.
Unstuck, it is true that keeping a positive attitude and getting sufficient rest, allows the body a better shot at healing itself, but smoking anything regardless of its mental effects, will cause damage.
buggerit
4th April 2014, 11:40
maize harvest in full swing up our way( along with the occasional cash crop), watch out for that greentop milk Ed
Tazz
6th April 2014, 13:36
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/05/ketamine-depression-study-oxford_n_5093201.html
The party drug ketamine could be the answer to treating even seemingly untreatable cases of depression, according to a growing body of research.
A new study published this week in the Journal of Psychopharmacology found that approximately one-third of patients with what researchers referred to as "treatment-resistant depression" experienced a significant mood improvement after being treated with up to six intravenous ketamine infusions over the course of several weeks.
"Three days after the last infusion, the depression scores had halved in 29 percent of the patients," said a news release on the study, which was conducted by United Kingdom researchers at Oxford Health NHS Foundation Trust and the University of Oxford. "In those that responded to the treatment, the duration of benefit varied widely, lasting between 25 days and 8 months"
Lead researcher Dr. Rupert McShane said some of the patients involved in the study had lived with depression for 20 years. "It really is dramatic for some people," he told the BBC of the improvements seen in some of the study's subjects. "It's the sort of thing really that makes it worth doing psychiatry, it's a really wonderful thing to see."
McShane's study had a small sample of just 28 patients, but his isn't the first to link ketamine -- a Schedule III drug known on the street as "Special K" or simply "K" -- with effective treatment for depression.
Several studies conducted in the past decade or so supported the idea that ketamine could treat major depression effectively and quickly. In 2012, for example, researchers from Yale University said ketamine seems to "produce rapid antidepressant responses in patients who are resistant to typical antidepressants."
"It's exciting," Ron Duman, co-author of that study, told NPR at the time. "The hope is that this new information about ketamine is really going to provide a whole array of new targets that can be developed that ultimately provide a much better way of treating depression."
Another study, conducted by researchers at Houston's Baylor College of Medicine and New York's Mount Sinai School of Medicine, had similar results. Published last year, the study -- said to have been the largest of its kind -- found that 64 percent of patients who had been treated with ketamine reported fewer depression symptoms.
Though ketamine's purported ability to relieve depression for some individuals has been welcomed by many experts as a possible step forward in the search for better treatments for depression, there are many health risks associated with the drug.
Commonly used as an anesthetic for both humans and animals, ketamine is described by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration as a dissociative anesthetic with hallucinogenic properties. Some users say that, when taken at high enough doses, the drug can induce a terrifying out-of-body experience known commonly as a "K-hole." The drug is also known to cause anxiety, amnesia and cognitive difficulties.
Medical experts have strictly warned against self-medicating with ketamine. In clinical studies, the drug is typically administered only in small doses, and patients are always supervised closely. Even then, some patients have been known to exhibit unpleasant side effects.
GingerMidget
7th April 2014, 19:21
Going back and re-reading this thread from where I departed last time has shown me some nice and some not so nice things.
Its great to see people being so honest and open about mental health issues, in a time where people are still afraid of the stigma.
My view on medication, Some people need it to function. Others need it temporarily to help them get themselves out of a hole.
Hormonal contraception can cause changes in the body and brain chemistry which can lead to worsening of any existing issues, or even the first signs of any.
You wouldn't deny a type 1 diabetic insulin, or abuse them for needing it to survive. To me, there isn't much difference.
thehovel
10th April 2014, 11:50
I dont know what depression is. You can be fine one day and happy, on top of the world and then just snap - break down and never see a way out of the rut.
This could be Bi-polar. Very treatable. Just remember you are a great person.
Kittyhawk
11th April 2014, 22:03
This could be Bi-polar. Very treatable. Just remember you are a great person.
Nello! How the bloody hell are you!!!! xoxox:love:
Edbear
11th April 2014, 22:35
Going back and re-reading this thread from where I departed last time has shown me some nice and some not so nice things.
Its great to see people being so honest and open about mental health issues, in a time where people are still afraid of the stigma.
My view on medication, Some people need it to function. Others need it temporarily to help them get themselves out of a hole.
Hormonal contraception can cause changes in the body and brain chemistry which can lead to worsening of any existing issues, or even the first signs of any.
You wouldn't deny a type 1 diabetic insulin, or abuse them for needing it to survive. To me, there isn't much difference.
Well put. :niceone:
That Ketamine is serious stuff! I was on it in hospital, and even though I was on the brink of death, my wife and children were hard pressed trying to grieve amid the hilarity of what I was coming out with! It is seriously hallucinogenic and I was a blithering mess for days afterwards. Fortunately I survived but I wouldn't really want to go through that again.
Akzle
26th November 2014, 17:15
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
mashman
26th November 2014, 17:16
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
Can't you chew some root or something. Maybe hug a tree?
FJRider
26th November 2014, 17:23
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
I'm depressed.
My choice to take ... you (or I) feel better ... :scratch:
tough choice ... :facepalm:
But ... ;)
YOU lose ... :yes:
swtfa
26th November 2014, 17:29
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
Hell yeah!! I'm in for a pill party!!! :buggerd:
Maha
26th November 2014, 17:34
Wakzle would be all happiness filled at the sight of a big bag of wool, no not the knitting type.
unstuck
26th November 2014, 17:40
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
Got plenty of decent rope you could use, fucker. HTFU princess.:2thumbsup
Akzle
26th November 2014, 18:06
Got plenty of decent rope you could use, fucker. HTFU princess.:2thumbsup
got my own rope. Edlinger. Its fuken slick.
Anyway. Fuck you.
unstuck
26th November 2014, 18:09
Anyway. Fuck you.
In your dreams BOY. :msn-wink:
yokel
26th November 2014, 18:13
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
try some of this, it might work for you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2190863/Semen-good-womens-health-helps-fight-depression.html
Akzle
26th November 2014, 18:14
Wakzle would be all happiness filled at the sight of a big bag of wool, no not the knitting type.
i dont know where you get this. I fuken hate sheep.
Hell yeah!! I'm in for a pill party!!! :buggerd:
excellent, i'll drop eccy, you can have roofalin :)
Can't you chew some root or something. Maybe hug a tree?
i do those things. Not doing me any good this round.
Just want some happy/make-the-world-stop-being-shit pills. Or bullets. Lots of bullets.
unstuck
26th November 2014, 18:17
i dont know where you get this. I fuken hate sheep.
excellent, i'll drop eccy, you can have roofalin :)
i do those things. Not doing me any good this round.
Just want some happy/make-the-world-stop-being-shit pills. Or bullets. Lots of bullets.
Try snorting a bit of Ginseng tea.:devil2:
Seriously.:Punk::Punk:
Akzle
26th November 2014, 18:23
try some of this, it might work for you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2190863/Semen-good-womens-health-helps-fight-depression.html
see, normally id laugh at that. Instead i just want to slash your tyres and set you on fire.
yokel
26th November 2014, 18:31
see, normally id laugh at that. Instead i just want to slash your tyres and set you on fire.
I'm sure slashing my tyres and setting me on fire will instantly end your depression but do you have the balls to do it??
FJRider
26th November 2014, 18:42
I'm sure slashing my tyres and setting me on fire will instantly end your depression ....
Might work for me ... where do you live .. ??
Winston001
26th November 2014, 18:45
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
Just in case you aren't winding us up and really are depressed, this thread contains many interesting stories and ideas. Have a read from the start. Otherwise ring the mental health line at your nearest hospital. Its not something to farg around with.
swtfa
26th November 2014, 18:52
HTFU princess.:2thumbsup
https://38.media.tumblr.com/1c521bb1b0ae1e12005830a56ffb04e0/tumblr_merplxNN8l1rhf1rwo1_500.gif
unstuck
26th November 2014, 19:59
Sexy kiss
He knows I love him really.:love::love::innocent:
Banditbandit
27th November 2014, 15:31
im fuken depressed. Anyone wanna share there meds?
Fuck me .. it's just as likely to be the meds that make you depressed ...
swtfa
27th November 2014, 18:27
Fuck me .. it's just as likely to be the meds that make you depressed ...
Ditto that - in some cases... yes :)
Kittyhawk
5th March 2015, 10:19
It's a very very depressing day today.....why is life so cruel?
imdying
5th March 2015, 10:25
Because without the cruelty you would have nothing to compare the compassion to.
Banditbandit
5th March 2015, 10:50
Life just is .... neither cruel nor not-cruel ... it's a sunny day .. go for a ride ... it will make you feel better ...
nodrog
5th March 2015, 11:25
Fuck you're depressed?
My swimming pool heater is broken, the elevator to my upstairs game Room has packed in so I have to walk up 2 flights of stairs. And my panigale supperleggera needs another set of tyres.
thats depressing.
swtfa
5th March 2015, 11:41
Life just is .... neither cruel nor not-cruel ... it's a sunny day .. go for a ride ... it will make you feel better ...
Yes definitely fresh air and exercise - shuts the brain down for a while. Bit like a computer... shut it down then reboot.
Famous last words of course, however one does practice what one does preach... AFTER one comes to realise that they have created something out of nothing and was over thinking everything. oops - time to switch off
Maha
5th March 2015, 14:17
It's a very very depressing day today.....why is life so cruel?
The sudden death of someone so beautiful is a very very difficult event to deal with Sheryl.
We have both been in tears here today, can't believe she is no longer here....shocking.
Love and Hugs mate.
Mark and Anne.
Bikemad
5th March 2015, 14:50
Life just is .... neither cruel nor not-cruel ... it's a sunny day .. go for a ride ... it will make you feel better ...
yup ....did just that today............no doctor can prescribe anything that works better in my opinion
Akzle
5th March 2015, 16:24
no doctor can prescribe anything that works better in my opinion
you need a better doctor...:blip::blip:
:doobey:
nzspokes
5th March 2015, 16:45
It's a very very depressing day today.....why is life so cruel?
Agreed. :(
husaberg
5th March 2015, 16:54
Narcissists build a false sense of self-worth from narcissistic supply (attention, adoration, adulation) which helps to regulate their ego and they often do this by using and slandering the people around them, sometimes showing off and putting other people down in order to make themselves feel and look good;
Sound like anyone posting here.............hint its not Nodrog
Banditbandit
6th March 2015, 08:20
yup ....did just that today............no doctor can prescribe anything that works better in my opinion
This is on the wall in my shed ...
http://www.retroplanet.com/mm5/graphics/prods/27781-sp.jpg
swbarnett
6th March 2015, 14:06
This is on the wall in my shed ...
On the most part I agree but there are exceptions. I know of one motorcycle that regularly sits outside a psychiatrist's office.
MIXONE
6th March 2015, 15:10
On the most part I agree but there are exceptions. I know of one motorcycle that regularly sits outside a psychiatrist's office.
Does it belong to the psychiatrist though?
swbarnett
7th March 2015, 11:04
Does it belong to the psychiatrist though?
No, it belongs to a patient.
husaberg
7th March 2015, 11:50
Never forget one persons curse can be a gift to the world.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/01/22/world/the-dark-side-of-creativity-vincent-van-gogh/
http://images.liveluvcreate.com/create/s/stars_cant_shine_without_darkness-54604.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbN0nX61rIs&list=PLD2700963A6E44769
mashman
10th April 2015, 11:54
Ayahuasca Psychedelic Tested for Depression (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ayahuasca-psychedelic-tested-for-depression/?WT.mc_id=SA_Facebook)
mada
11th April 2015, 23:19
Never forget one persons curse can be a gift to the world.
Good post mate.
Add to that one of the greatest minds and inventors ever:
http://aetherforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Let-the-future-tell-the-truth-and-evaluate-each-one-according-to-his-work-and-accomplishments.-The-is-theirs-the-future-for-which-I-really-worked-is-mine-quote-by-Nikola-Tesla.jpg
oldrider
12th April 2015, 08:57
This is on the wall in my shed ...
http://www.retroplanet.com/mm5/graphics/prods/27781-sp.jpg
You would have to be crazy to even think about going to a psychiatrist! :wait:
Kittyhawk
14th February 2017, 09:06
Heres a question....whats the average time it takes to get over a biker thats no longer with us?
thehovel
14th February 2017, 09:22
Grieving is a personal journey and all are of different lengths. HUGS Richard
buellbabe
14th February 2017, 09:47
Agreed, Richard.
My guy (biker thru n thru) died in 2000.
I still cry when I talk about him.
My thoughts are that you never get over the death of a loved one.
You just learn to live with it.
It's ok to feel like poo :-)
trufflebutter
14th February 2017, 11:52
There is no set length of time in answer to that question. My Uncle died last year, he was 85, his wife died 25 years ago and they were childhood sweethearts, he never got over losing is best friend/wife. However, he lived that extra 25 years with much love around him, living close to family helped him. Last year my cousin lost her father and Aunty and a cousin. She has just found out her husband has about two years left, even with treatment. My point is, Some people deal a bigger bag of shit than others, the trick is, you can only embracing and hold onto what ever thoughts and memories those who left us...left us.
Banditbandit
14th February 2017, 13:34
I'm with them - no set time ... take it easy and take care of yourself.
onearmedbandit
14th February 2017, 15:00
Heres a question....whats the average time it takes to get over a biker thats no longer with us?
Having lost a couple good friends through biking, I doubt you ever get over it, but you learn to live with it.
Akzle
14th February 2017, 16:06
Heres a question....whats the average time it takes to get over a biker thats no longer with us?
asides from this being a motorcylist's forum, is there any significance of a biker that's no longer with us?
without death, you wouldn't know life. welcome to the duopolistic.
caspernz
14th February 2017, 16:09
Heres a question....whats the average time it takes to get over a biker thats no longer with us?
Different for everyone I reckon.
For me it's been just over 20 years since a life changing event, 18 months of hell, got thru that part with one good friend. It never leaves you, just fades into the background with time.
Depression sets in when we try to deal with it on our own. A relaxed chat with a good friend, some scotch and a cigar on a quiet country evening can work wonders. But everyone has their own methods.
russd7
14th February 2017, 18:36
depression is a nasty mistress, the more you feed her the bigger and stronger she gets.
grief really is quite simple if you allow it to be, where there is life there is death and as harsh as that sounds it really is that simple.
we all lose someone close more than once in our lives and the more you dwell on it the worse it will be.
don't bury it to deep but don't feed it out of control either.
remember, once you is dead you is dead which means that life is for the living.
granstar
14th February 2017, 21:08
Best thing iv'e done to beat depression is go for a ride on my motorcycle, a long ride lifted me out of a big rut and back to reality when my dad suddenly passed away, life goes on.
oldrider
15th February 2017, 08:27
depression is a nasty mistress, the more you feed her the bigger and stronger she gets.
grief really is quite simple if you allow it to be, where there is life there is death and as harsh as that sounds it really is that simple.
we all lose someone close more than once in our lives and the more you dwell on it the worse it will be.
don't bury it to deep but don't feed it out of control either.
remember, once you is dead you is dead which means that life is for the living.
Death appears to be the only thing in life that we all get an equal amount of! :mellow:
Paul in NZ
15th February 2017, 12:16
Heres a question....whats the average time it takes to get over a biker thats no longer with us?
Whoa - tricky question...
The answer is that it depends on so many factors. Everything from your own personality/experience through to how involved you were with that person or the incident that led to their demise.
I’m 60 and started riding at 15 so in that time there have been a few fatalities. They don’t / didn’t upset me overly much if I could reason/figure out what happened. Worst was a good cunt that was riding in a column of bikes and a drunk coming the other way lost control – drove through the column and took him and his pillion out… WTF? However – as times gone by I get less wound up about these things.. I’ve actually had people die on me – seen the lights go out… Never lost a night’s sleep over it. It happens…
I enjoy every ride on my bike – maybe its actually the dance between life and death I enjoy?
russd7
15th February 2017, 17:47
Death appears to be the only thing in life that we all get an equal amount of! :mellow:
yup, pretty much, thats why i don't go to doctors, everyone that i know who has been to a doctor dies.
granstar has a good way of beating depression tho some of the stories coming out after inernational scotch day have me worried :devil2:
granstar
16th February 2017, 18:57
yup, pretty much, thats why i don't go to doctors, everyone that i know who has been to a doctor dies.
granstar has a good way of beating depression tho some of the stories coming out after inernational scotch day have me worried :devil2:
What happens on International Scotch Day....will never be remembered :laugh:
russd7
16th February 2017, 20:15
What happens on International Scotch Day....will never be remembered :laugh:
ahhhh yes, i remember everything right up until the point that i remember nuthin, obviously tho it was not my fault, i was under pressure to keep up :bleh:
granstar
16th February 2017, 21:19
ahhhh yes, i remember everything right up until the point that i remember nuthin, obviously tho it was not my fault, i was under pressure to keep up :bleh:
True J.C kept whipping you, 354 days to ISWD 2018 :love:
Was good thing the wifeys were present, now they know how rough a time it is that we have when out drinkin, up to now they have thought we were just out having fun.
I had to tell the wifey today about depression, the bathroom light she keeps leaving on, told her "the switch needs some depressing".
oldrider
16th February 2017, 22:26
yup, pretty much, thats why i don't go to doctors, everyone that i know who has been to a doctor dies.
granstar has a good way of beating depression tho some of the stories coming out after inernational scotch day have me worried :devil2:
Didn't know anything about life prior to conception - turned out quite exciting and rewarding all things considered! :yes: . (:ride:)
Don't know anything much about death and beyond right now - might turn out even better - who knows? - I try to remain optimistic! :scratch:
Reincarnation? - now there is a "scary" thought! - think I would like to pass completely on that one! :confused: . :doh:
R650R
29th October 2017, 15:18
Are we that short of quality applicants that this is an issue?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98291997/police-uturn-over-antidepressant-recruitment-police-applauded
Surely if your life is that bad that you need these dangerous drugs then should you really be trying to help other people?????
R650R
29th October 2017, 15:20
oh sorry that sounds bad.
Yep ok if you need these drugs to feel better and cope with bad stuff, but dangerous side affects are well known.
I dont think we should let people with unresolved issues join the force.
I think ist just another tool to let the recruitment process gather the politicially correct pool of ethnic and life choice applicants....
Luckylegs
29th October 2017, 15:31
oh sorry that sounds bad.
Yep ok if you need these drugs to feel better and cope with bad stuff, but dangerous side affects are well known.
I dont think we should let people with unresolved issues join the force.
I think ist just another tool to let the recruitment process gather the politicially correct pool of ethnic and life choice applicants....
apparently two lots of red for successive posts isnt a thing "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to R650R again."
so, wanna go for the hat-trick
russd7
29th October 2017, 16:03
apparently two lots of red for successive posts isnt a thing "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to R650R again."
so, wanna go for the hat-trick
kinda think that with the shit that cops have to put up with it would be bad health and safety policy to recruit persons who have already demonstrated an inability to handle stress,
and like it or lump it depression is a form of inability to handle stress, whether it is a mental disposition or a genetic disposition.
Luckylegs
29th October 2017, 16:14
kinda think that with the shit that cops have to put up with it would be bad health and safety policy to recruit persons who have already demonstrated an inability to handle stress,
and like it or lump it depression is a form of inability to handle stress, whether it is a mental disposition or a genetic disposition.
Yeh, cept if theyre taking the meds, guess what, they likely handle stress just as well as you and me, or you...
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