Instilling a sense of conscience.

[Ixion]

Bit of a silly question really. The footpath is primarily intended for slow speed pedestrian traffic. ...

Wait. what? Who says? That's not what I use it for.

[swbarnett]

Goddamnit! *stomp*
If I'm going to be in a bunch of sycophants, I need to know what the heck that is!!!! Anyone? (Actually if you look at the word, and quickly look away, looks like sickopants - boomtish!!!)

From Wiki:

A sycophant (from the Greek συκοφάντης sykophántēs) is a servile person who, acting in his or her own self-interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential persons, with an undertone that these actions are executed at the cost of his or her own personal pride, principles, and peer respect.

[Ixion]

So should we be allowed to do 100kph on the footpath?

Or does expecting us not to impinge on our freedom?

Don't be silly. No one is suggesting doing 100kph on the footpath. I never do more than 50 (unless it's a very wide footpath). Who expects us not to?

[Ixion]

Or they end up dead. Sad but true.

Oh, yeah, that too.

But y' can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs.

And my lifestyle depends on the Gene-O-Kleen ("Evolution you can see - keeping the gene pool clean since 1903" ) commissions.

[Genestho]

From Wiki:

A sycophant (from the Greek συκοφάντης sykophántēs) is a servile person who, acting in his or her own self-interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential persons, with an undertone that these actions are executed at the cost of his or her own personal pride, principles, and peer respect.

O.I.C...Thankyou! A wee bit heavy eh? Probably better than a bunch of sickopants!!!!
Ahem...as you were....

[bogan]

Oh, yeah, that too.

But y' can't make an omlette without breaking some eggs.

And my lifestyle depends on the Gene-O-Kleen ("Evolution you can see - keeping the gene pool clean since 1903" ) commissions.

damn straight, without the breaking of eggs the world is likely to turn to shit. Countries getting invaded for no good reason by presidents with the IQ of an oily rag. Government organizations dedicated to ridiculous safety measures rampaging around. Peoples loved ones getting stolen in the dead of night, and even during broad daylight.

Oh wait

fuck

too late





i think swbarnett's sig quote sums it up

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending to much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826)

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Why? You'd rather live forever with no freedom whatsoever than live a finite life with the freedom to live your life your way?

Please show me where have I suggested this.

Binary thinking is very limited.

[Mikkel]

I looked in my mirror, saw nothing in the right hand lane and the row of lights behind me and I overtook. Apparently he rode up through our group and damn near clipped a couple of guys behind me, but I didn't have time to count headlights and I have learned that when you're riding in a group you don't overtake the guy in front of you unless you have a lot of room and ideally he or she knows you're overtaking. You certainly don't overtake someone following a slow car who has just put his right hand indicator on because common sense would suggest he is planning to pull out.

I agree completely that double overtakes are bloody stupid - even when riding with people you know very well.
My point was more to the fact that no matter how carefully observant you are, sometimes you will miss something (typically something unexpected too). Anyone who think that their observation skills and attention spans are bulletproof will get a nasty surprise sooner or later.

I agree, there are different levels of crazy - I'm really scared of hurting my bike so I am a nana, and unashamedly so. When I was young and rode ordinary bikes I was fast, but not anymore. When I see someone riding fast WELL, I recognise the skill and admire them, but I see too many retards overtaking on blind corners, cutting in on right handers so their head is aiming right where a car's rh headlights are most likely to be, running wide etc, and mostly it's because they're riding waaaaaay faster than their skill level.

Yes, but you do also get riders who can ride well - but still do stupid shit like dodgy overtakes, double passes (case in point), etc.

And sorry mate, most of the people who do that kind of crap are on high performance sports bikes. My guess is they're born agains who have the tin to buy a blisteringly fast bike, and make the mistake of trying to use the performance that bike has. Another really cool style of riding, and you pointed it out well, is the guy who swings into a pub and knocks back several beers. I was going for a squirt down Gebbies and ended up in the middle of the Langleys run this year as they left the wheatsheaf and some retard try to outrun me on his Harley (I was on a Tiger). He was on the wrong side of the road with sparks flying so I pulled over, let them all go past and ten minutes later carried on. A couple of Ks down the road I came round a corner to find a Harley lying on its side in a paddock surrounded by distressed people.

Indeed, middleaged punters on sportsbike are - in my experience - more likely to engage in dodgy maneouvers than the younger guys. E.g. some punter deciding that riding at 60 km/h through Tai Tapu - with plenty of space and no oncoming traffic too - necessitated him passing me on my right... only about 10 km/h speed difference, but still; I didn't know the guy and was most definitely not expecting it.

Some Harleys work hard in the corners, sometimes they get tired and have to lie down for a couple of minutes.

Motorcycling would be safer and more enjoyable if people got better at leaving their egos at home.

[sinfull]

Another well thought out thread starter, another few hundred odd views from folk who may well think it through Steve ! Well done !

[Boob Johnson]

Another well thought out thread starter, another few hundred odd views from folk who may well think it through Steve ! Well done !

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit so they say Sinfull



And Katman...............if wit were shit............you'd be constipated

[Drew]

I'm a show boater. Wheelies past folk, bit of a nudge on the road occassionally, (less stupid now that I race, but I'm sure Katman would think it reprehensibly dangerous), and with the exception of CB13 (even though he was doing the ton, two up on a back road), having a whaaa about it, no one else has.

Problem with some folk, (this is me being a hypocrit), they believe with such conviction they are right, there is no room for grey in their colourless vision.

It's not all as bad as you see it KM, but I will concede that SOME do need to take a look at what they are doing.

[Katman]

Bit of a silly question really. The footpath is primarily intended for slow speed pedestrian traffic. This is a very different situation from using a road, which is intended for high speed vehicular traffic in a manner that is not very far removed from it's primary function.

Ok, should we be allowed to drive pissed?

Or does expecting us not to impinge on our personal freedom?

[swbarnett]

Please show me where have I suggested this.

Sorry if I misinterpreted your question. You implied that you value longevity over quality of life by questioning my maturity.

Binary thinking is very limited.

Agreed! But it does serve to illustrate a point. Mine being that we are very close to losing the very things that make life worth living under the guise of trying to prevent every piece of pain and suffering. Something which is beyond the capability of our species.

[swbarnett]

Ok, should we be allowed to drive pissed?

Or does expecting us not to impinge on our personal freedom?

Thanks, much better question.

This brings up a very grey area indeed. Define pissed. If you define pissed as "over the legal limit" i.e. a pre-determined numerical blood alcohol level, then I would definately say that there are some people that are perfectly capable of driving pissed with no harm to anyone. If you define pissed as "a loss of control of one's body to the point that one is incapable of controlling a vehicle" then, no, people should not be allowed to drive in this state. The second definition is far more comenserate with reality but very hard to enforce. Who's to say who is and who isn't pissed?

For driving behaviour (assuming alcohol is not a factor) there are two similar definitions of dangerously stupid - "over a pre-determined limit" and "beyond one's own inate abilities".

There are drivers that I would trust my life to behaving "badly" on the road (as a passneger or a bystander). There are, however, others that I wouldn't trust to sit in the driver/rider's chair, let alone turn on the engine. The trouble with black and white laws that aim to address the latter is that they invariably end up hurting the former as well. I would rather have a few idiots on the road than have it over policed.

[Katman]

Define pissed.

For the purpose of this exercise I'll define pissed as being at the point where you judgment and your ability to react to any situation is reduced or affected by even the slightest degree. (Sort of like travelling at 200+kph).