Group ride sticky

[XF650]

I get the impression that some people here are assuming that KiwiBiker is some form of a Club, with all the inherent issues of liability, indemnity etc. Next thing ya know SpankMe's site will need a Constitution, Event Management Policies and Insurance.
Get a grip - isn't this just a (fantastic) interweb site where we can bullshit on forums & go on rides for the fun of it? Isn't KiwiBiker just another form of communication that we can use to organise a (social) ride with others who want to do the same thing?
If someone wants to post up a ride then no way is he/she responsible for those who tag along. We don't pay entry fees, there's no competition & no prizes. If a rider need more assistance than that, then they should join a Club or pay a fee to someone who can offer that level of cover (e.g. Yamaha Safari, organised trail rides etc).
Lets keep it simple & enjoy our (KiwiBiker) adventure riding for what it is - the opportunity to ride with good bastards on some of the best adv routes in the world.

Footnote: I have been involved with motorsport at Committee level & been the "official organiser" of events - we do not want to go there.

[That looks like fun]

So if someone catches up to me thats because I am travelling faster than them?
Never said to put yourself at risk to let others pass. You can make it easier for them without putting yourself or others at risk. Or you can hold ya line and ride em off the road
But at least your in the right and thats whats important nowdays
ADV riding is not the same as racing (unless your winning ) so should we try and apply the NCACU rules to what we are doing.

[XF650]

Did my first "organised / charity" type trail ride recently. As I like to enjoy the scenery etc, whenever possible I would pull over or signal the faster bikes to pass. But what really pissed me off was the number of pricks who would roost ya as they overtook. I might be getting older & slower but it's something I have never encountered on adventure rides.

[Squiggles]

Lets keep it simple & enjoy our (KiwiBiker) adventure riding for what it is - the opportunity to ride with good bastards on some of the best adv routes in the world.

Regardless of thoughts on the legal stance (which everyone seems to be picking at, never mind other angles like the ever increasing number of riders going bush) is it not wise to indicate the ride will be 300k's and most likely follow x route? Mention that theres that fooken horrible piece of work after that bridge over there? etc

[Cary]

I get the impression that some people here are assuming that KiwiBiker is some form of a Club, with all the inherent issues of liability, indemnity etc. Next thing ya know SpankMe's site will need a Constitution, Event Management Policies and Insurance.
Get a grip - isn't this just a (fantastic) interweb site where we can bullshit on forums & go on rides for the fun of it? Isn't KiwiBiker just another form of communication that we can use to organise a (social) ride with others who want to do the same thing?
If someone wants to post up a ride then no way is he/she responsible for those who tag along. We don't pay entry fees, there's no competition & no prizes. If a rider need more assistance than that, then they should join a Club or pay a fee to someone who can offer that level of cover (e.g. Yamaha Safari, organised trail rides etc).
Lets keep it simple & enjoy our (KiwiBiker) adventure riding for what it is - the opportunity to ride with good bastards on some of the best adv routes in the world.

Footnote: I have been involved with motorsport at Committee level & been the "official organiser" of events - we do not want to go there.

Couldn't a put it better, well said

[Hinny]

If someone wants to post up a ride then no way is he/she responsible for those who tag along.

I do not agree with you here.

[marks]

I do not agree with you here.

then maybe we need a standard disclaimer that we can inert in all ride descriptions so that people like you are under no illusions about yourr own personal responsibilities.

I would never organize another ride if I thought that the ride participants believed I was in any way responsible for their safety.

We might ride together and help each other but we are as responsible for our own decisions and actions as if we were riding solo

[Waihou Thumper]

And I am one for commenting too...
This perhaps is getting to the stage of Rant or Rave perhaps.....
Not here?
Dunno....
Comments?

[The Stranger:Me]

I would never organize another ride if I thought that the ride participants believed I was in any way responsible for their safety.

NOT wanting to inflame things further, but you seem to be missing the elephant.
It may not be up to you or the other ride participants to decide, it may be a jury of your peers and it may cost you tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

[warewolf]

is it not wise to indicate the ride will be 300k's and most likely follow x route? Mention that theres that fooken horrible piece of work after that bridge over there? etc

We already do that, here in the adventure section.

We already talk shite about ad nauseum fairly thoroughly brief riders on what to expect, what kinda tyres will be needed (= terrain & skills expectation), ditto variations based on the weather, whether big bikes are suitable, look out for each other, encourage n00bs, make sure everyone has the basic gist of the route, point out any really nasty sections or surprises... and so on, and so forth.

Guidelines? We don't need no steekin' guidelines! Food for thought maybe, but we already do that stuff.

[Waihou Thumper]

Rather pathetic....
Look, if one day we have rules and guidelines for riding safely, Oh, it is the Road Code and all that valuable literature out there...
Once we, the riders whom undertake a journey off road with like minded individuals, the value of the enjoyment, comraderie and laughing at the silly fuck ups we all make....
This is why I am here...
To a point....Yes, this is valid.. BUT not here......

[Woodman]

Geeez talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. Get a grip guys and stop trying to make things too hard.

Nuff said on this topic me thinks.

[marks]

NOT wanting to inflame things further, but you seem to be missing the elephant.
It may not be up to you or the other ride participants to decide, it may be a jury of your peers and it may cost you tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

firstly - thanks for the considerable effort that you have gone to creating your group ride sticky.

And yes I take your point that its not what I want or think but what "the law" thinks but - setting aside the legalities of it all - it also appears that we could benefit from some form of general simple disclaimer which makes it quite clear to potential ride participants (for their owns safety sake) that they are the ones making decisions about their safety - not the ride organizer.

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[Crisis management]

Just to make it perfectly clear: It's not my fault, ok?





It's Carys fault., he took the picture.....

[JATZ]

then maybe we need a standard disclaimer that we can inert in all ride descriptions so that people like you are under no illusions about yourr own personal responsibilities.

I would never organize another ride if I thought that the ride participants believed I was in any way responsible for their safety.

Hey MarkS, did my lawyer ever get in touch with you ?
I seem to remember breaking 2 indicators on that NIIOTS ride you strung together

Just remembered about MrsJatz tank too.....and CooneyR...... my left ankles still partialy fucked after that D.B.09 malarky