The Group Ride Guide Announcement

[MadDuck]

What part of "They are not rules" don't you understand?

All this hysterical conspiracy stuff is quite amusing.

What the hell is your problem MadDuck?
No one has flamed you or rubbished your opinion.

LOL my opinion...yep I get that loud and clear. Seems I am hysterical and need to pull my head in.

[Virago]

LOL my opinion...yep I get that loud and clear. Seems I am hysterical and need to pull my head in.

It seems we have people fixated on "rules" which actually don't exist...

[The Stranger:Me]

So, if I organise a ride on here with the rider (disclaimer) "This ride is not going to follow the "Guidelines of KB"", you are saying I am then legally liable if something goes wrong, should it be tested in court? Now I am confused. I thought that there was no liability issues with these guidelines.

No Mom, that wasn't my intent, my apologies.
Perhaps if you look at my reply to Carver in this thread (post 37) I think is clearer (I hope)
Your last sentence is correct.
That said, it is hoped that potential liability can be mitigated by following the guidelines. There are several elements in there for that purpose.
Just as Virago is free to fix his Gib Board as he sees fit - but he may be on his own if anything goes wrong with the installation.

[_STAIN_]

It seems we have people fixated on "rules" which actually don't exist...

guidelines / rules are the same thing ...apply, if you now advertise a ride on here

[_STAIN_]

Some of our best rides have seen new bikers and new KBers just turning up.

I would hate to see this gone.

yes I would find it hard looking at a person and judging their ability to ride.... that they are not under skilled for an advertised ride

[MadDuck]

guidelines / rules are the same thing ...apply, if you now advertise a ride on here

So Boomer says to Beyond in a thread...hey dude we are doing the Coro Loop Sunday. You coming?

A serious question. Where does that sit if a new rider turns up having seen it on KB?

[SixPackBack]

So Boomer says to Beyond in a thread...hey dude we are doing the Coro Loop Sunday. You coming?

A serious question. Where does that sit if a new rider turns up having seen it on KB?

Read the small print, that would come under the 'Darwin' clause.

[_STAIN_]

So Boomer says to Beyond in a thread...hey dude we are doing the Coro Loop Sunday. You coming?

A serious question. Where does that sit if a new rider turns up having seen it on KB?

the power of B have no consept of what a can of worms this is

[The Stranger:Me]

guidelines / rules are the same thing ...apply, if you now advertise a ride on here

What would you call something that sets out suggested good practice when undertaking a task?

[Mom]

No Mom, that wasn't my intent, my apologies.
Perhaps if you look at my reply to Carver in this thread (post 37) I think is clearer (I hope)
Your last sentence is correct.
That said, it is hoped that potential liability can be mitigated by following the guidelines. There are several elements in there for that purpose.
Just as Virago is free to fix his Gib Board as he sees fit - but he may be on his own if anything goes wrong with the installation.

"potential liability" worries me frankly. I can mitigate a potential liability, by following these guidelines?

If I post up a group ride on here with no mention of the guidelines I am potentially liable?

Forgive me here too, I am not stirring. I am confused. If I post a pootle up here without being seen to follow these guidelines I am potentially liable for anything that goes wrong?

[MadDuck]

If I post up a group ride on here with no mention of the guidelines I am potentially liable?

No potential...you are liable.

[_STAIN_]

What would you call something that sets out suggested good practice when undertaking a task?

the "task" is insuring the attending riders meet the compitency requirement

[Squiggles]

If I post up a group ride on here with no mention of the guidelines I am potentially liable?

I believe its a case of you've always potentially been & Will always potentially be. However running the ride with elements suggested by the guide may help to mitigate any liability should you find yourself in that position... (my thoughts, happy to be corrected...) This isnt particularly new stuff, ACC and co produced the DVD "Riding in groups" a couple of years back (but overall i reckon they got a pretty crap dvd for their money)

No potential...you are liable.

Find me a case where someone in NZ HAS been found liable under the circumstances of a group ride and i'll eat my hat re "Potential"

[Mom]

the "task" is insuring the attending riders meet the compitency requirement

So, it would be up to me to ensure the competency of any rider that turned up for a ride I had planned on here?

Surely not?

[Mom]

However running the ride with elements suggested by the guide may help to mitigate any liability should you find yourself in that position...

Oh that makes it all good, best I go and study up on them then.

Texting is looking better and better to me