I've broken my half face virginity

[Gizzit]

Yep, all good til you come off. I came off the bike at 100ks recently. Faceplanted and slid 100metres down the road on my front. I reckon if i hadn't been wearing a full face with visor my whole face would have been ground off on the road.
I used to wear an open face years ago and i agree they do feel better but no way you'll ever catch me wearing one now.

I hope you're ok Rosie ??

And yeah, I totally agree. I wouldn't consider wearing anything, other than a full face helmet now.

In my teenage years, all I used was a white open face Bell helmet, usually with a visor when I was on the road, ..... and I usually wore goggles when dirt riding. I never managed to land a face plant, ..... definitely through good luck, rather than good management !!

As an RN ... like me you've probably seen the results of "facial damage" from bike accidents when riders have been wearing open helmets. Argh ...... !!!!!

[martybabe]

I agree, for cruising there's nothing better but the thought of face planting puts the willies up me. Maybe this kind of thing is the answer eh.

[caseye]

Propaganda or not, it's a full facial for this rider.
Anything less is practically asking to have your face rubbed off.
I use a flip and yes in town while cruising and looking for an addy or a place it's great to be able to flick the front up out of the way, but seriously once the open road is hit it's down and locked , no question.

[Motu]

'Jet' That is what they were called 'Jet Helmets'
Half face , never heard that before.
So it goes Pudding basin, Jet, Full face.

Open face helmets used to be called ''full coverage'',as opposed to the not so full coverage of the pudding basin.

The leverage obtained by pushing the lower edge of the jaw guard is quite great. And the fulcrum of the push will be the back of the neck.

At one stage in the US MX helmets were required to have shear pins on the chin guard for this reason - the leverage pops the spinal cord out of it's coaxial socket.

[Jonno.]

no joke only basic laws of physics

This is why they use full face helmets for racing no?

[popelli]

In this case I am tellin yall that a few hundred grams difference aint gonna make squat difference in a crasha s there are other forces acting upon your body with a greater magnitude that the forces exerted from the motion of the helmet.

Thats an engineers opinion, I can also go get a physicist for you.

I keep telling people to stop quoting "basic" physics as rudimentary equations cannot be used to define complex problems as they dont take into account eough factors, variables, and utilise wide assupmtions, which affect EVERYTHING.

In science and engineering it is all about what you ASSUME and how DETAILED your calculations are.

Maybe they could explain explain why the death rate per 100,000 motorcylcists actually decreases in the USA when they repeal helmet laws?

[ital916]

Maybe they could explain explain why the death rate per 100,000 motorcylcists actually decreases in the USA when they repeal helmet laws?

ASSUMING what you say is true, as nobody on here seems to attach said data or reference where they are getting fact from, there could be many factors.

A gander would be when motorcyclists ride without helmets they ride MUCH more carefully. I dunno, there could be a multitude of reasons.

Im sticking with the fact that even if a helmet does affect your neck (which it very well might...logically), if the impact if hard enough to whip your head back hard enough to damage your spine, there is a high probability you were going to get fucked anyway.

Ride safer...and as ixion puts it...DONT CRASH.

[Ixion]

This is why they use full face helmets for racing no?

For those of us who do not use the road as a race track, that's fairly irrelevant. You might as well argue that race car drivers wear full face helmets.

Maybe they could explain explain why the death rate per 100,000 motorcylcists actually decreases in the USA when they repeal helmet laws?

Perhaps because, the injuries you are likely to suffer with an open face as opposed to a full face (smashed jaw, smashed teeth etc) are probably not usually fatal. Whereas the extra dangers of the full face (snapped neck if the jaw bit catches on something) will almost always be so.

But the smashed jaws that don't happen are more numerous than the broken necks that do.

So , trading off a few extra fatalities against a significantly greater number of non smashed jaws and teeths and so on?

The issue is not whether one style is X% safer than the other.

F'Heavens sake we're already talking about someone riding a motorcycle.

If fine graduations of safety are that important to you, you've wandered into the wrong transportation choice.

It's about accepting other riders right to ride their own ride, and not bagging their choices

(and please, don't trot out that dreary old canard about "I pays your ACC etc". Or I may start pointing out that I'm paying a shit load of extra ACC because of all the sprots bike riders that regard the road as a race track. So sprots bikes should be banned, right? )

[ital916]

For those of us who do not use the road as a race track, that's fairly irrelevant. You might as well argue that race car drivers wear full face helmets.



Perhaps because, the injuries you are likely to suffer with an open face as opposed to a full face (smashed jaw, smashed teeth etc) are probably not usually fatal. Whereas the extra dangers of the full face (snapped neck if the jaw bit catches on something) will almost always be so.

But the smashed jaws that don't happen are more numerous than the broken necks that do.

So , trading off a few extra fatalities against a significantly greater number of non smashed jaws and teeths and so on?

The issue is not whether one style is X% safer than the other.

F'Heavens sake we're already talking about someone riding a motorcycle.

If fine graduations of safety are that important to you, you've wandered into the wrong transportation choice.

It's about accepting other riders right to ride their own ride, and not bagging their choices

(and please, don't trot out that dreary old canard about "I pays your ACC etc". Or I may start pointing out that I'm paying a shit load of extra ACC because of all the sprots bike riders that regard the road as a race track. So sprots bikes should be banned, right? )

Very rarely does ye old beast awaken from its gentle slumber.....ye all have stoked the fires of debate and have awakened the KRAKEN...wait, I got lost in another story there.

Oh I had a look through many a stockist at work les, I was unable to find any jet style helmets like the davida for a cheaper price but we do have these helmets now from rjays which you might like?

http://www.rjays.com.au/home/product...is-plain.html#

They come with a peak

[rosie631]

I hope you're ok Rosie ??

Yeah, all good now. Thanks to ATGATT. Brain took a bit of a shake so few weeks of concussion. Back to normal now.

[carver]

We need Carver to do some videos of crashes with and without helmets,and open face compared to full face - I reckon he's up to the challenge....

i sure am, what do you think would be better?

[ital916]

i sure am, what do you think would be better?

Oooh I have a great idea....you guys can do a series of motorcycle mythbusters type movies.

First one....recreating the stunt from many movies where the hero/heroine purposely low sides a motorcycle in a target/under a target (like under a decepticons legs) whilst sliding along in a controlled manner firing a gun. CAN IT BE DONE! prove it!

Second movie - proving the stunts from TORQUE - like can two people have a fist fight on top of a sliding motorcycle

[carver]

Oooh I have a great idea....you guys can do a series of motorcycle mythbusters type movies.

First one....recreating the stunt from many movies where the hero/heroine purposely low sides a motorcycle in a target/under a target (like under a decepticons legs) whilst sliding along in a controlled manner firing a gun. CAN IT BE DONE! prove it!

Second movie - proving the stunts from TORQUE - like can two people have a fist fight on top of a sliding motorcycle

i have allready thought about that one

i was going to do the vanilla ice jump

[ital916]

i have allready thought about that one

i was going to do the vanilla ice jump

you need a horse and a hot chick to fully recreate it!

[carver]

you need a horse and a hot chick to fully recreate it!

sidewinder on a BMX will do!