Stats for submissions

**MSTRS:Me** · 15th October 2009, 10:23

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

... if I have a accident tomorrow I want my 25 years share worth...

Good luck with that. They'll find any way they can to shaft you there as well.

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 15th October 2009, 10:25

Originally Posted by MSTRS

Good luck with that. They'll find any way they can to shaft you there as well.

i know...i know...

**Genestho** · 15th October 2009, 10:26

Number and Cost of New and Active Accepted ACC Fatals Claims by vehicle type

Sports Injuries (includes Motorcycling) ACC Claims by Sport/Injury/Claim

**Maki** · 15th October 2009, 10:37

New claims 2007 - 2008

Home: 39,527

Sports: 26,505

Motor vehicle: 6,074

New claims arising from road accidents are and order of magnitude less than those arising from people mucking around at home... Maybe there should be an ACC levy on home owners....

**Genestho** · 15th October 2009, 10:41

ACC Claims By Motor Vehicle Account

**Mully** · 15th October 2009, 10:42

Originally Posted by Ixion

??? According to that document (page 65) there were 28756 mopeds in the fleet and 101457 motorbikes. A total of 129213 (I think)

Hmm, I got my figure from earlier in the document.

Please use Ixions number - cos it's higher.

EDIT: Ahh, I see what happened. I was using "registered" (Licenced) and you were using "total fleet"

**Marmoot** · 15th October 2009, 10:51

Originally Posted by Neon

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...2008/index.htm

Stats on claims in 2008

Thanks.
Insights 1: there is substantial amount being spent on things such as Netball, Soccer and Rugby yet they are not treated equally as Motorcycling.

Insights 2: why is Motorcycling in sport section whereas they should have been on transport section?

Insights 3: the most spenders (including motorcross) are non-ACC-paying activities.

**James Deuce** · 15th October 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by Marmoot

Insights 2: why is Motorcycling in sport section whereas they should have been on transport section?

Because they're not included in the National transport plan. This is what I was pushing for people to respond to the the recent submissions in regard to road safety with.

Road safety for motorcycles and motorcyclists can't be improved until they are regarded as worthwhile transport and therefore worthwhile investing in road improvements and safety initiatives for.

They weren't included in the last Census as a commuter transport option, remember?

**Naki Rat** · 15th October 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by Naki Rat

Diesel does not carry an ACC component in its pump price as this is included in the RUCs. Does anybody have info on this amount?

This is unbelieveable. I have just spoken to the ACC helpdesk regarding what the ACC component of Road User Charges is.... Their answer:

THERE IS NO ACC IN RUCs !

A diesel vehicle pays ACC as part of its annual registration fee but nothing further. For example the ACC component of a diesel truck's rego (Class #9) is $268.92 and that is the total of their ACC levy payment.

**Shagz** · 15th October 2009, 11:00

Wait,

Number of Active Claims/ Cost of Claims = Average Claim Total

Then for the 2007-07/2008-06 period

Car Average = $24426.01
Motorcycle Average = $19704.70

I must be missing something.

**Supermac Jr** · 15th October 2009, 11:04

Originally Posted by Marmoot

Thanks.
Insights 1: there is substantial amount being spent on things such as Netball, Soccer and Rugby yet they are not treated equally as Motorcycling.

Insights 2: why is Motorcycling in sport section whereas they should have been on transport section?
.

There is a similar table (with different figures/values) so premuably they split the 'sports' and 'transport' components. Presumably the sport part relates to track events and off-road. Not sure...

**James Deuce** · 15th October 2009, 11:16

Originally Posted by Supermac Jr

There is a similar table (with different figures/values) so premuably they split the 'sports' and 'transport' components. Presumably the sport part relates to track events and off-road. Not sure...

No they don't because motorcycles aren't regarded as transport and aren't included in the transport plan. All accidents are sports accidents.

**Ixion** · 15th October 2009, 13:06

Originally Posted by James Deuce

No they don't because motorcycles aren't regarded as transport and aren't included in the transport plan. All accidents are sports accidents.

No, that can't be, because the total cost for 2008 under the 'sports' section, for motorcycling, is only $7million odd. The rest are under 'Motor vehicle account' 'Driving-passenger -motorcycle' $62 million odd.

But - what I just noticed, which is really important.

That table shows , 2008 number of NEW claims 1336. Total active claims 3173. The difference being the residual claims OR claims still active in 2008, but incurred since 1999 (when they moved to full funding), and before 2008.

Now, the 1999-2007 claims should have been funded from the money put aside in those years. So they shouldn't be in 2008 at all. And if the difference (3173 - 1336) relates to residual claims, then more than half our levy relates to old claims. And the government has now said they can take to 2019 to fund those. Which they are ignoring for motorcycles

**kathyw** · 15th October 2009, 13:49

So Statistics don't lie - Using data from ACC
http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...ount/IS0800143

Did you know that between 2006/2007 and 2007/2008 that the cost per active claim for car injurys increased by 9.52% while the cost per active claim for motorbikes increased by only 5.55%

Cycling 5.57%
Driving/Passenger--Bus 11.80%
Driving/Passenger--Car 9.52%
Driving/Passenger--Motorcycle 5.55%
Driving/Passenger--Other Veh 6.25%
Driving/Passenger--Truck 18.74%
Other 11.06%
Pedestrian 13.30%
Unknown -0.12%

I have the data - I have done the math - so wouldn't it be fairer if the increase in Levies reflected the increase in costs per claim. Personally I would love to be unknown.