Well bikers are screwed - ACC levy

[Danae]

Doing a bit of marshal time at a track sounds like a nice community service pass time
Ran into an American today, he was keen to register his bike in Alaska ($26 for 3 years or something) and have his bike here on "holiday" with him.
Wonder what the ins and outs are of that?

Dunno about the legality...but he'd have to worry about shipping. Which in the long run would cost less than the rego here!!

[kwaka_crasher]

Labour govt was the most honest govnt you will be seeing until there crooks that are in are out.

Despite having the only MP ever convicted of corruption? Tui?

Wait until you have to pay you own hospital bills, or your own private health....if they decide they want to insure you, riding a motorcycle and all.....because that is where this government is heading, you will have to have health insurance.....then lets see who you are calling pricks!

This isn't about health - this is accident cover. You're really making an arse of yourself, but it's typical of the Labour losers to be uninformed - if they were informed they wouldn't vote Labour in the first place.

Contrary to what you claim, I had no difficulty whatsoever obtaining, at a lower premium with better cover than ACC, private accident injury insurance in '98 when we had a choice, thanks to National. That's the cold reality which crushes your groundless scaremongering.

[joha]

I'm pretty peeved about this ACC levy "covert" non-direct tax increases
but rather than just camp outside parliment or ride up and down queen st with signs yelling.

Lets just do it like French Farmers park our tractors (bikes)on mass, on the motorways and block up the system every rush hour, every day!!!

When the increase happens;...

Thoses that can still afford to own/ride will have to combat with an increase in car drivers on the road with no insurance, no WOF and or car REG and hence probably cause or be involved in more accidents.

ACC should provide a way of opting out and allow bike riders to seek a private insurance method with another company. ie Bike insurance!?

[kwaka_crasher]

Well, here's an interesting figure.

Acc claim


But, from here
(official and authorative source ) , total motorcycle casualties for 2008 were 1396 injured and 50 killed. Total 1446. Now unless my calculator has sprung a leak, that works out at $42876 average. For EVERY motorcycle crash. Including the minor ones, where the riders just given some sticking plaster and sent on his way.

Not at all sure that I believe that figure, in thes ense that it is probably true BUT massively inflated by a BIG contribution toward historical residual claims. Which the government have now said they can take till 2019, instead of 2012 , to fund. But ACC are ignoring the difference that extension would make to the levy. It works out at $100 less for ALL vehicles, but would be MUCh higher for bikes.

No doubt, their projections for motorcycle numbers and hence projected claims come from the recent steady rise in registrations, neglecting the fact that most of the rise has been due only to recent economic conditions. As such the liability will actually decline.

Here's another interesting figure.

"...riders of large motorcycles make up 32% of all casualties...".

It'd be interesting to see if the cost of that 32% is proportional to the proposed levy hike. I would say not.

[Ixion]

zero but you must go past the three month mark.Wife works NZ Post and thats how system works at the moment.Hold 12 and can lift after 3 etc.

The problem with this is if you want to licence it again within three months.

So, you exempt it for 6 months, after 4 months you want to go on a ride, so you want to licence it for a week, then put it back on exemption.. that's fine, you can do that, but that licensing terminates the exemption. So, if you want to go for another ride three weeks , you can't because you haven't got to the three month mark.

That might be something we can argue for, to have bikes released from continuous licensing.

[kwaka_crasher]

reading the ACC stats doesn't actually state who (or what) was AT FAULT in each crash; e.g: there were 66 injury crashes on straight sections of road, but that doesn't explain whether it was the riders fault or not, there is no indication of that at all, (as far as I can decipher)

a point worth making if you choose to make a submission

This does.

[GazzaRuney]

Bikers of the world unite!!! Guys its time for a wee bit of civil disobedience, go to all the protests, write to your MP etc etc and if you are really committed to this cause, do what I'm going to do........

DON'T PAY IT!!!!!

If none of us pay it, what are they going to do?

And I love the idea of another brother biker before - every single guy/gal with two wheels, logjam your town/city by parking your bike(s) on the main roads and cripple the road system until those fuckwits at Parliament listen. When the froggies did that a few years ago not only did it totally jam Paris up for miles around, it cost the French economy billions !!!!

Lets do it!!!!!!

[mnkyboy]

SO who subsidies the push bike claims, they don't pay a penny in levies! So much for a No-Fault system! I hate they way they have twisted the figures and claim that $62million was claimed for accidents caused by motorcyclists, don't they mean accidents involving motorcyclists? remove the money where other vehicles were found to be at fault and money for tourist accidents and then what is the true claim for local NZ motorcyclists?
You could go one step further and suggest if alcohol or speed were a factor refuse cover as they would be criminals and breaking the law so should be entitled to help. That would give a true realistic cost and I suspect it would mess up their argument!

from http://www.transport.govt.nz/researc...-Factsheet.pdf

In 2007, 12 cyclists were killed, 181 were seriously injured and 699 suffered minor injuries in policereported crashes on New Zealand roads. The total social cost of police-reported crashes involving cyclists was approximately $172 million. That is about 5 percent of the social cost associated with all
injury crashes in 2007.

How bout a tax on all cycle gear to cover ACC - Could include other sports as well. (ie. Rugby boots, snowboards etc.)

Either that or take out ACC from rego's and add it as an average to fuel costs, Fuel might be $1 a litre more but oh well.

[k2w3]

Current headline on front of Herald's website: "Large Pay Rises for Top Public Servants".

Brilliant timing.

[dipshit]

That is about 5 percent of the social cost associated with all injury crashes in 2007.

How bout a tax on all cycle gear to cover ACC - Could include other sports as well. (ie. Rugby boots, snowboards etc.)

Social cost is not the same as ACC costs.

Social cost is loss of earnings and taxes of a potential worker etc.

[k2w3]

The reason it won't be added as an additional tax on fuel is that it would be seen to be too sweeping, too encompassing and anti-business. The National Govt won't want to be seen doing that. Easier to target groups they consider "voiceless" or some other minority.

It's a numbers game.

However I think they've underestimated the depth of feeling and the breadth of people from all incomes and all levels of society that enjoy riding.

[kwaka_crasher]

The freckin National Govt will put the fines up pretty quick!!

Then the scabs like council parking wardens will pounce for no rego as well!!

My wife went to Auck for a course yesterday. The Auck City Council Maggots where still on the bus lane with their camera taking pics and ticketing even though the buses where on strike!! Maggots!!

As a side issue, "The freckin National Govt" you hate so much has just added a regulation allowing use of a bus lane for 100m when turning, in the Land Transport (Road User) Amendment Rule [2009] instead of the ridiculous situation that currently exists and varies from Local Authority to Local Authority (75m in North Shore, nothing in Auckland). That comes into force on 1 November. Bet you must really hate them now. Those bastards, going and simplifying stuff, to my benefit!

[jimbo600]

And this just to really make you gag

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...beat-recession

[mnkyboy]

Social cost is not the same as ACC costs.

Social cost is loss of earnings and taxes of a potential worker etc.

I realise this, but we as "motor vehicles" are being targeted to cover other activities. Why just the rego (cynicism says it's the easiest target) why not anyone else.

Could we not pass on some responsibility to the other users of the ACC system.

I am not unhappy that we have to pay more because we are more at risk, My beef is simply that we have been singled out so heavily.

[mossy1200]

MOSSY GETS RICH PRINTING COUNTERFEIT REGO LABELS.

Put yours on hold and ill zap you a $50 replica.