The new scheme is still a bargain, I hope you realise...

[MSTRS:Me]

It is clear that few-to-none of us are happy about the proposed hikes.
What we are in danger of doing is forgetting that cars etc are also being hiked. Which a majority of us will also be affected by.
Sure, there is an Us-and-Them mentality at work, but would it not be a good idea to somehow include car drivers in our fight?

[Mikkel]

Not a bad idea. But difficult since the unfairness of the MC levy increase is most visible when held up against the ACC levy on car registrations.

[avgas]

Unprotected sex with hookers is cheaper, safer and easier

[Marmoot]

Take the approach that ACC levy increase is caused by ACC blowouts from mismanagement (abuses and poor policies such as full payment etc).
That would include the car drivers as being treated unfairly as well, thus sympathy from them to our plight is possible.

I mean, $4.8 billion late-notice cost blowout from things such as misbudgeting of physiotheraphy cost ($4million becoming over $100 million per year) is piss poor management. Make ACC accountable for their own mistake and put public pressure on it.

[Eng_dave]

Unprotected sex with hookers is cheaper, safer and easier

Less thrilling and not so tight in the corners though as my bike.

[rphenix]

This is a speed bump in an otherwise good thing that NZ invented. National are squeezing budgets left right and centre, bikers are no different and some groups are harder hit than this.

Which groups are those?

[motorbyclist]

You have your rego at $330 make it closer to $650 with the new ACC levy's included and Boyds charge either $45-$50 for WOF. Also petrol is more than $1.60.

wofs are $30 where I get them, and petrol was 1.59 last time I filled up with BP 91

And the other half of your accidents are because you repeatedly decide to go and ride when you are in a completely unsafe state, experiencing severe sleep deprivation, and end up in a ditch as a result.

ffs

I've had two road accidents, both were sleep deprived, ironically both were while riding slowly, none involved a car. I've either anticipated or avoided every cager on the road (so far).

Both incidents were my fault, before katman assumes i somehow think otherwise.

You've only been able to walk away through luck, which you've admitted yourself in the past.

bollocks - a fair bit of that is dirtbike-acquired ability to crash and good old biker genes. I'm lucky there were no second vehicles involved but that's why i rec ride outside of traffic hours.

And yet you're considering yourself holier than everyone else?

wtf? what gave you that impression?

you of all people should be keeping quiet - Your arm has cost more than you or me will ever pay in rego levies and that was caused by a need for adrenaline and arguably worsened by your consequent actions getting to the a&e.

THEN after you go and break your other arm on my dirtbike (my fault for letting ya) you ride to the hospital for another surgery with two casts on and a pillion to take you bike home!

epic? maybe. stupid? definitely.

Just out of interest, what happens if you off onto that arm again? Will they have to lop it off or can they wire it back together?

and is it a muscle or a bone thing that limits the movement? I hear torn tendons hurts like a mofo

Take the approach that ACC levy increase is caused by ACC blowouts from mismanagement (abuses and poor policies such as full payment etc).
That would include the car drivers as being treated unfairly as well, thus sympathy from them to our plight is possible.

I mean, $4.8 billion late-notice cost blowout from things such as misbudgeting of physiotheraphy cost ($4million becoming over $100 million per year) is piss poor management. Make ACC accountable for their own mistake and put public pressure on it.

totally agree - the most outrageous part is that the CEO of ACC is on some insane salary like $500k a year :yuk:

[PirateJafa]

ffs

I've had two road accidents, both were sleep deprived, ironically both were while riding slowly, none involved a car. I've either anticipated or avoided every cager on the road (so far).

Both incidents were my fault, before katman assumes i somehow think otherwise.

^^ My point exactly.

bollocks - a fair bit of that is dirtbike-acquired ability to crash and good old biker genes. I'm lucky there were no second vehicles involved but that's why i rec ride outside of traffic hours.

"Biker genes" eh? So you're saying luck? Again, my point exactly, thank you.

wtf? what gave you that impression?

you of all people should be keeping quiet - Your arm has cost more than you or me will ever pay in rego levies and that was caused by a need for adrenaline and arguably worsened by your consequent actions getting to the a&e.

THEN after you go and break your other arm on my dirtbike (my fault for letting ya) you ride to the hospital for another surgery with two casts on and a pillion to take you bike home!

epic? maybe. stupid? definitely.

Just out of interest, what happens if you off onto that arm again? Will they have to lop it off or can they wire it back together?

and is it a muscle or a bone thing that limits the movement? I hear torn tendons hurts like a mofo

And yes, you've stated a bunch of points which I have voiced myself in the past. Errr congrats?

And if I "off" onto that arm again, it will be the same as a normal arm. Either it'll break again or it won't - it's no more vulnerable now, 'tis just a bit of bone stopping further extension and rotation.

Also, you are aware I trust that I have full medical insurance? Some of us do take precautions rather than just planning to bludge off everyone else.

So yes, your point was? Like usual you're posting with plenty of passion, but without engaging your brain first.

[motorbyclist]

first point, there is no other half of my accidents, and no I'm not being all "high and mighty"

"Biker genes" eh? So you're saying luck? Again, my point exactly, thank you.

nope, just a proven ability to bounce of objects without anything more than a bruise.

whereas some people tend to snap like twigs....

And yes, you've stated a bunch of points which I have voiced myself in the past. Errr congrats?

we'll you've never admitted those points to me. infact your apparent lack of regard to your injuries (while you had them) have led to the complete opposite impression

And if I "off" onto that arm again, it will be the same as a normal arm. Either it'll break again or it won't - it's no more vulnerable now, 'tis just a bit of bone stopping further extension and rotation.

ahhhhh I've always wondered what the problem was there

Also, you are aware I trust that I have full medical insurance? Some of us do take precautions rather than just planning to bludge off everyone else.

No, I was not aware that you had accident cover. You've never mentioned it so I made a natural presumption. How much is it costing your parents?


now get out; you're derailing my troll thread!

[PirateJafa]

first point, there is no other half of my accidents, and no I'm not being all "high and mighty"

:slap:

Let's see. A written off Starlet and broadsiding a 4x4 with your dirtbike. Versus two "ditchings".

Half your fault, and half not? Seems fairly elementary to me.

nope, just a proven ability to bounce of objects without anything more than a bruise.

:slap:

No, I was not aware that you had accident cover. You've never mentioned it so I made a natural presumption. How much is it costing your parents?

:slap:

I first got it when I was working at QP via the company, and have continued paying the $220 a year out of my own pocket, like all my other expenses. This might not be a familiar concept to you.

I dub thee, Motorbyclist, Inducer of Face-Palms.

[Danae]

[motorbyclist]

Let's see. A written off Starlet and broadsiding a 4x4 with your dirtbike. Versus two "ditchings".

Half your fault, and half not? Seems fairly elementary to me.

:slap:
Learn to read: i was specifically referring to ROAD BIKE accidents.

getting rear ended by a learner driver was in a car, and didn't even have a ambo callout, was not in a bike and not a claim

having a 4WD unexpectedly swerve across muriwai beach infront of me resulted in getting checked over by a paramedic - who was already at the bike park attending to some other rider who had broken his leg.

Only bike related ACC claim I've made was an X-ray after a race. I'd hazard a guess the levy on my YZ petrol bill alone covered that one without hitting the rego budget (but we all know acc stats are fucked up anyway)


:slap: at your second :slap:, as I'm not even sure we're on the same level with that one

I first got it when I was working at QP via the company, and have continued paying the $220 a year out of my own pocket, like all my other expenses. This might not be a familiar concept to you.
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:slap:

1: SO, in that case you could have retorted my original post by pointing out that private health insurance is infact dirt-fucking-cheap compared to ACC?

2: You took Duncan, Sam, Danae, and myself on a roadtrip to retrieve your motorcycle PURELY because you couldn't afford the expense yourself - had we gone down the two of us as per original plan (as told to me) we wouldn't have made it back from wellington, and had you told us this was the case we would've loaned you the cash and been prepared ourselves. We'll save the questionable driving in terms of speed and then fatigue for another time.

[PirateJafa]

Bahaha, gotcha sucker. Derailment = success! Catch ya at the chiller, fucked if I'm typing a reply to one of your wall'o'texts this late at night.

[motorbyclist]

Bahaha, gotcha sucker. Derailment = success! Catch ya at the chiller, fucked if I'm typing a reply to one of your wall'o'texts this late at night.

translation: "oh fuck better bail out before I make much more of an ass of myself"

[zjet]

Just going back to the start point of this thread for A mo. I would like to add in another comparsion.
$2700 per year is actuly about the same cost as my rates and house and contents insurance.

Funny its cheaper to be robbed than own a motorbike that i ride in nice weather.
Personaly if thats the rego charges per year I don't think I could afford to own a bike anymore. I just hope that the money makers in the motorcycle industry realize this as could kill the nz market