93 Protest Ride

[chanceyy]

agreed how will they know if it is
a) two seperate groups
or) mostly the same people who must obviously be annoyed if they come and protest twice....

does it really matter in the big scheme of things .. what it will show is that bikers have strong views regarding this issue & will turn up to support any protest regarding it ... I will be there for both !!

[yungatart]

Firstly, there is WAAAY too much to do here to be infighting.
Busa Pete and Wendy...if you want to do something, please feel free. I am sure the Auckland coordinator/s would appreciate any help offered. Just do something..endless moaning negative posts achieve NOTHING!

Please don't let shitty little fights take away from what we are all trying to achieve...it is senseless and energy wasting.

Secondly...rolling protests...Ulysses followed by BRONZ/Kb rides...all good...it keeps the pressure on and keeps our plight up there in the media. It can only be a positive thing!

Keep your energies up, folks, keep smiling and stay positive..we still have a way to go and a lot to do!

[SixPackBack]

And Sixpack - there is an obvious flaw to your thinking ... this is not about your spats with other members - I have personally been too busy dealing with inquests to buy into the BP and SPB bullshit .... its a thing of looking around and actually doing what you say you are going to do - thanks again for the red - love it when your little pointed comments and obvious hatred of others shows up on my screens.

some ppl seriously need to get over themselves, real life is far more important and the internet and peoples perception of the written word is easily taken out of context. Of course it's easy to take things ppl say at face value without finding out if there is any truth to it or not ..

Checking the reality of a situation is always more perferable that way you do not come across as a completed dickhead.

Nasty is fair to everyone .. all of us who know her very well have been infracted consistantly to the same standard as everyone else ... I have even had a wee holiday in pink .. but I knew it was deserved and accepted the responsibility of it.

Bitches are us?...........You betchya.

Nasty- your personal relationship with other members; particularly the BRU crew clouds your judgement and creates favouritism. I am not the only person to notice it. Nothing personal!

Chancey-what has my private comment to Nasty got to do with you??....Another case of the BRU crew 'ganging up'?

[chanceyy]

Bitches are us?...........You betchya.

Nasty- your personal relationship with other members; particularly the BRU crew clouds your judgement and creates favouritism. I am not the only person to notice it. Nothing personal!

Chancey-what has my private comment to Nasty got to do with you??....Another case of the BRU crew 'ganging up'?

thats absolute crap SPB Nasty infracts bitches along with the general population and in exactly the same manner without prejudice, and what does it have to do with me ?? well you have the wrong end of the stick, and I am putting the story straight, but not that your impartial enough to listen ..

and on the other side of the coin, I have no issues with Busa petes either & they know they are welcome in my home anytime.

[Ixion]

We/I have not done ANYTHING about Auckland area coordination (you'll notice there's not even an Auckland coordinators thread).

This is because BRONZ have stepped up to the plate to front the overall organisation, and some part of the Auckland arrangements (being that they are Auckland based - sort of, there are other BRONZs, we're talking BRONZ Auckland here).

We don't want BRONZ and KB organisers falling over each other and everybody getting twisted about other people getting in the way. F'instance we don't want two lots of peole talking two different flyers around bike shops. Just gets everybody totally confused.

BRONZ will be holding a committee only meeting Monday night to work through these points and settle who does what. Once we have clarity of that we'll be in touch with those who put their hand up to help in Auckland (Busa Pete , and a couple of others).

[MSTRS:Me]

....I have no issues with Busa petes either & they know they are welcome in my home anytime.

Same with us (prolly with everyone else too). If there is a problem, it needs to be put to rest and move on. This protest (at least) is bigger than any individual, it's not about them (whoever they are). We're all in it together for the common good.

[StoneY]

Yay, unity!

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

what was the 93 protest over and was it successful in achieving it aims in any way ?

was over the same levy increase,

[pocketcracker]

just so you Know i don't have anything intelligent to say .. just wondering if i could also get a pair of tits , I not to fussed on the medal just tittys Please ..

Ps.. acc not in my good books any more LOL! .

[klingon]

Wow. I'm glad I missed this thread first time round.

I have been working my fingers to the bone since I became aware of this issue - I have just spent virtually my entire long weekend on it. I wasn't waiting for anyone to tell me what to do, I just did it.

I believe we have chosen the best date for the ride. We could have gone yesterday if that was the best day for the ride, but it wasn't. So we are going on the 17th. I'm not sure what the problem is?

[The Stranger:Me]

It was a protest against ACC putting up levies for bikes and basing them on capacity, $1000 for a litre bike. Deja vu or what ?

And yes it was successful

There was an earlier one too, in 1979, when ACC (wait for it, wait for it) wanted to hike levies on bikes massively (woddya mean y' guessed ? you psychic or summit). No ride on Wellington then, but we took over the Auckland Town Hall

And I think that was successful to

Therefore surely the message we can take from this is DON'T fight the govt on costs. We can't win with this approach, there will only be degrees of losing. So the govt back down somewhat and we pay an extra $200.00 instead of $500.00. They're happy because they get some extra and it didn't cost them a cent to do it. We think we get a win and it cost me $1,000.00 for 2 days off work and a trip to Wellington and I think I have won too? Only to have to fight it another day and another and another.

Our approach should be to go for parity with car drivers and nothing else. There are ample arguments to support this.
Rugby, Cycling, the original concept. Tell the country that they are NOT trying to implement user pays but rather victim pays. What other laws are based around victim pays?
Tell them that car drivers should be paying more, not less. If car drivers felt the pain, hit them where it hurt (the wallet) perhaps they would actually see us.

[The Stranger:Me]

Well, we actually had a meeting this week where a date was debated strenuously and then agreed on, did not hear your voice there.

These levies affect ALL road registered bikers, not just the ones whos riders have the fitness and ability to ride to Wellington in one hit and then turn around and come back the next day. Some will actually need to split the trip.

Organising these things, takes a bit more care than it did 16 years ago. We have to dot i's and cross t's so we cant have the finger pointed at us.

Perhaps if you actually got involved you would have a better grasp of what is ACTUALLY involved getting something like this off the ground.

Either shut up, or put up!

Bring on your red rep too

Mom you are a wonder

Said everything I could want to right there
And in 93 people were lucky to even know what the interweb fingy was....broadband? Is that a new belt?

Pete, you've been dissing the BIKOI organizers a lot, what the fuck have YOU contributed, big boy?

You on the piss again Busas?

Have a nice day wont you.

What Chancey said

It seems to me Pete's got his briefs twisted around his jewels, apparently we the BIKEOI organizers aren't putting enough energy into this project, were delaying things and over planning

All we need to do is word of mouth to a few hundred people and its gonna magically happen

Couple of points

We are bringing THOUSANDS not hundreds of people to the Capital

The internet has made it more complex to arrange, not less (for some reason, like arguing with the Pete's over how/where/when I reckon)

In 93 ANYONE could drive onto Parliament grounds, we now need permission from the Speaker of the House and I now know for a fact it will be denied

Some people here have taken the organizers very careful approach to our legal and ethical responsibilities personally as in 'your cutting me out' this is not true, anything decided is immediately published into the publicly viewable Sticky topics on the ACC sub forum


Nasty:
Has this week has been in the INQUEST at 111 hearings for the good of every New Zealander, and still takes time to come to the BIKEOI meeting, and make a solid contribution

She is IMPARTIAL and doesn't get personal, I know, shes family and still reds me on the rules, so yes she is impartial

Pete, I am sorry you think we are moving too slow
Sorry you have hard feelings against my cousin

You are welcome on the BIKEOI, contact Les (Ixion) and ask him what you can add to the Auckland effort
I am sure your help will be welcomed, and none of us have for one minute dragged our feet on anything, I can promise you that

Peace,
Brent

I see now why people complain about a mob mentality on KB.
The OP was NOT a personal attack. It was questioning the approach.
you guys need to harden up a bit.
I accept that it's a busy time, but you guys really should be prepared to have your approach questioned - shit, you should be doing that yourselves, if not then take your blinkers off.
If you are doing that yourself then why shouldn't you entertain the thoughts of others and allow for the possibility that they are right - i.e. allow others to question.
No need to get personal for fuck sake.

[klingon]

I see now why people complain about a mob mentality on KB.
The OP was NOT a personal attack. It was questioning the approach.
you guys need to harden up a bit.
I accept that it's a busy time, but you guys really should be prepared to have your approach questioned - shit, you should be doing that yourselves, if not then take your blinkers off.
If you are doing that yourself then why shouldn't you entertain the thoughts of others and allow for the possibility that they are right - i.e. allow others to question.
No need to get personal for fuck sake.

Thanks for the perspective, Noel. I will address the specific issues raised in the first post.

Does Anyone know who orginized the 93 protest.

I believe it was BRONZ. I wasn't a member at the time, but that is the information I have seen.

Because i'm sure there was not this much shit then.

Actually there probably was this much shit then, but it went on behind closed doors between a small number of people. The "shit" is a function of human nature, not directly a result of the intertube thingy or any other piece of technology.

Why do we need a poll for everything make a desssion and that's it get a poster out there with all relivent information on it

The decision has been made - the ride will be on the 17th of November. Posters are out there with the relevant information on them. Please feel welcome to print and distribute them.

why does it have to take a month to get this show on the road it didn't in 93 .

It didn't take a month to organise. The date was chosen very quickly. The selected date is 17 November.

We had a day pick and all the riders turned up if you cant make it tuff

Yes. That is also what has happened this time. The date is the 17th of November. If anyone can't make it, tuff.

we rode down in the morning and came back the next day there was no having to take 3 days and believe me there where thousand of bikes.

You (and anyone else) are most welcome to ride down in the morning and come back the next day. I will be riding a TU250 so I may need to take a break part way. Don't let that stop you going straight through.

I hope that addresses any concerns you may have.

Right. Back to organising stuff.

[Morcs]

Wendy stop using Petes account...

ah out come the high and mighty brigade, yes we all appreciate how much work has been put in, but please remove the whole superiority attitude.

[klingon]

... i really could not work with the look at me attitude that seems to existing...

...ah out come the high and mighty brigade, yes we all appreciate how much work has been put in, but please remove the whole superiority attitude.

Funny how perceptions make such a difference.

I would have said that the organising team are some of the most modest people I have ever worked with, and they seem to be sacrificing their time and energy without any expectation of reward or recognition (except to achieve the common goal of stopping the ACC levy rises).

I certainly haven't seen any 'look at me' or superiority attitudes. Quite the opposite.

It is quite clear that some people have pre-existing personal conflicts that make it difficult for them to work together. I am pleased to say I am blissfully ignorant of all that and will happily keep it that way.

See you all in Wellington on the 17th!