Nick Smith Auckland Nat meeting open to public

**MSTRS:Me** · 27th November 2009, 08:47

Sensible as usual, young man.
Mind you, gleaming pertinent info from any thread, dedicated to facts or otherwise, is difficult. Because, so often, the info is a work in progress, as new facts and figures come to our attention.

**Ixion** · 27th November 2009, 14:17

Bumping.

Meatspace meeting.

Bridge House Warkworth Sunday 29th 1:30 ish . Informal. Like here but without snoops. And with coffee , beer , food. How bad can that be.

I am told that we will not be the only group protesting. Which may affect our strategy.

I have also heard it hinted that there will be a heavy police presence, and they may block off parking at the site to make life difficult.

We may need to scout out alternative parking, just in case .

Can we have a couple of volunteers to go in mufti - ie not look like bikers. Just to confuse them.

**yachtie10** · 27th November 2009, 14:30

Can we have a couple of volunteers to go in mufti - ie not look like bikers. Just to confuse them.

Wobblyas and I are discussing just that will discus on Sunday

**flyingcrocodile46** · 27th November 2009, 17:19

Originally Posted by Ixion

Bumping.

I have also heard it hinted that there will be a heavy police presence, and they may block off parking at the site to make life difficult.

There is parking along both sides of Tamaki Drive in the evenings (unused bus lane one side, full time parking the other)

**Hawk** · 27th November 2009, 17:40

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And I can't think of any online way to discuss things that can't be snooped.[/QUOTE]

mailing/discussion list that is membership controlled as opposed to self registration maybe the host of this site would set one up for you

**drummer** · 27th November 2009, 19:34

The man?

Peter

**AD345** · 27th November 2009, 20:23

Originally Posted by drummer

The man?

Peter

yeah man

don't fuck with the Man, man

**drummer** · 27th November 2009, 21:05

The Man... ahh you mean Helen Clarke... no hes overseas now LOL!

P

**candor** · 27th November 2009, 22:15

Heard this from horses mouth today - NZ IS SCREWED

Penelope Bright was charged and convicted of criminal trespass during an Auckland Town Hall public meeting in 2006 for holding up a banner against the back wall which stated "Mayor Hubbard's DICKtatorship is a cereal matter, don't buy it". The obvious pun to Dick Hubbard's cereal company sought to drive home the strident push by the former Mayor to get a planned - and since scuttled - waterfront stadium approved by excluding opposing views from the public debate. The video of the meeting showed Ms Bright was quiet until the Mayor threatened her. The Mayor ordered her arrested and charged with criminal trespass when she refused his order to leave the Town Hall for being disruptive. Ms Bright was never warned of the criminal charge as the Trespass Act required. This would be but a minor legal point on her conviction.

The legislation covering such public meetings is the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act (LGOIMA). It specifically allows for removal without criminal charge from public meetings and claims supremacy over all other legislation in relation to the conduct of public meetings. The New Zealand District Court, High Court and Court of Appeal all stated that LGOIMA did not exclude the use of criminal prosecution when an attendee refused a request by the "rightful occupier" to leave. All the lower court judges ignored the video evidence which showed Ms Bright had put the banner away before the Police approached her, was not warned for trespass and did not attempt to re-enter the building. Bluntly speaking, all the judges agreed she was rightfully convicted of criminal charge because of her "offensive" banner, even though she put the banner away before being removed.

According to the Supreme Court ruling, the Trespass Act legislation co-exists with LGOIMA. The upshot is all attendees need to be wary of offending the "rightful occupier" where the public meeting is conducted lest they end up criminally convicted and sent to prison.

This is dangerous to any democracy...

**drummer** · 27th November 2009, 23:25

wouldnt be concerned for this meeting.. Old mother hubbards meeting was I believe private...

Peter

**NONONO** · 28th November 2009, 11:06

You know,,,
Tamaki Drive is rather a thin road...
I'm just thinking,,what a bloody nuisance it would be if the road in and out was sort of blocked for a while. That would be awful.

**DEVVIL** · 28th November 2009, 14:08

Im busy on sunday (dam)But will come on Monday. I think you guys need a meeting place around Auck to talk about strategys. The reast of us will come to any event like this. We need to stand up and be heard keep the pressure on. The time may come

: when it is time to show them how pissed off we really are

. Dont forget a lot of us work for the govt and are getting sh#t all over. I may be locked out around feb grrrrrrrrr.

**Ixion** · 28th November 2009, 14:17

I know Ms Bright. She was not *quite* as peaceable as might appear.

But, as the percussion gentleman noted, local body meetings have their own rules. There is also a difference between a general public meeting (as Mr Smith's is) and a council meeting where the public are present only on sufferance. Same deal as Parliament- technically public are NOT allowed and any MP or councillor can require "strangers' to be removed.

However, if required to leave Mr Smith's meeting, we will of course do so, immediately and peaceably.

The media impact of THAT would be priceless.

"Bikers' interrogation too tough for Minster"
"ACC cracks down on free speech as well as levies"
"Minister runs for cover, evcist bikers to avoid questions"

Please ask the Minister to evict us. Please, please.

**MSTRS:Me** · 28th November 2009, 16:24

Originally Posted by drummer

Info about Allan Peachey may be useful for some... Allan joined the party before the failed Brash election. He replaced a totally ineffectual Clem Simich as MP for Tamaki. Allan became an MP in that election and this is his second term in office.

Originally Posted by kave

I would be keen on attending this meeting. Giving Allan Peachey a hard time would be amusing as well. I once attended a pre-election debate with Allan Peachey as one of the participants. Prior to the debate I was planning on voting for National, but as Peachey appeared to be senile and suffering from borderline retardation I changed my vote, couldn't support a party that would put people with his obvious lack of facilities in power.

Alan Peachey is one of the strangest creatures...a National-supporting school teacher. He has never been a part of the real world, and has always been on the public's shilling. He was a first or second year teacher at Hutt Valley High, when I was there in the early 70s. He was not well-thought-of or respected back then either. He climbed the ranks and ended up headmaster at one of the larger Auckland colleges, before going into politics.

**Philz** · 28th November 2009, 16:52

Nick Smith is to hold an environmental meeting at the Akarana Yacht Club, Tamaki Drive, Okahu Bay, Auckland on Monday 30 November 2009 at 7:30pm. Some of us need to attend, I for one am going to attend. Maybe we need to hi-jack the meeting and turn it in to an ACC levy meeting