The bigger picture.

[MSTRS:Me]

But wasn't the protest ride a hoot ? I for one have never passed so many bikes in my life !

Yeah, but we were all going the other way, Doofus....

[sinfull]

Yeah, but we were all going the other way, Doofus....

cixelsid si em John you know that, it felt good at the time !!!

[Kickaha]

So we AREN'T better than car drivers? Damn...

We never have been better, thats just bullshit put out by Motorcyclists for decades to make them selves feel superior to other road users

[MSTRS:Me]

Irony is not your strong point?

[jeffs]

Katman I just sat through the news tonight and listened to the report on the bikers protest yesterday.

The whole point was lost in 10 seconds, all Nick Smith had to do was say, " A 40year old biker earning over $80K a year if he is layed up with a back injury, over 4 years will cost ACC $4M, so the levies must go up"

Katman, you may think I am a wanker, but I do not think I ride like a wanker ! I have never pulled a wheely since I was 18years old , i'm over 40 and I earn over $80K.

To try and improve my riding skills on the road, in 3 weeks I am going to do a track day. My first ever track day.

If I come off on that day, I could be one of those statistics used in the news report. What the F**K has your definition of bad riding got to do with ACC levy increases, based on this ?

If my potential crash involved be doing mindless overtaking, I would agree.

Are you saying I'm a dick because I want to do a track day and therefor will put my self at a higher risk ? And I should stay at home an die of old age ?

I joined KB to just say

" I DO NOT WANT TO PAY $750 ACC LEVY , do you want one more bike in your protests ? "

You are right, i'll keep away from ACC threads, just pay my $500 extra, and spend my time talking to people who take people on face value, and do not per-judge everyone who rides a bike, or label them a wanker, because its fun.

Yes some people ride like twats, but that is not why they are putting up levies. It's because whether I fall off on a track day, or if I sit a lights and get rear ended by a car, end up with a broken back, ACC say I will cost them $4M, and ACC say bikers should pay.

You have been saying Bikers are their own worst enemy's for so long, you have lost your ability have any other view. Or worse you just don't care, because its fun to wind up ACC protesters.

[Katman]

Katman, you may think I am a wanker, but I do not think I ride like a wanker ! I have never pulled a wheely since I was 18years old , i'm over 40 and I earn over $80K.

To try and improve my riding skills on the road, in 3 weeks I am going to do a track day. My first ever track day.

If I come off on that day, I could be one of those statistics used in the news report. What the F**K has your definition of bad riding got to do with ACC levy increases, based on this ?

If my potential crash involved be doing mindless overtaking, I would agree.

Are you saying I'm a dick because I want to do a track day and therefor will put my self at a higher risk ? And I should stay at home an die of old age ?

Jeffs, jeffs, jeffs............

You really have no idea what I'm on about, do you?

[Conquiztador]

Jeffs, jeffs, jeffs............

You really have no idea what I'm on about, do you?

That makes two of you.

[snuffles]

Spent your 30 pieces yet?

Motorcyclists as a group are not to blame. It is a relative few that have supposedly dragged us to this point.
If all the law abiding car drivers were told they had to pay more because of those that didn't wear seltbelts etc, what do you think they'd have to say about that?

You know what pisses me off the most with the above statement?? It doesnt seem to matter what you say on this site, some wanker wants to destroy it.

I personally dont give a shit about the rest of you... I will however be making sure that I think before riding. I could spend my entire life balming every other cunt for my actions, but I choose to make a difference.

So in Summary FUCKOFF all of you.

There....that feels better.......I know some arsehole is going to want to comment, so bring it on

[MSTRS:Me]

I personally dont give a shit about the rest of you... I will however be making sure that I think before riding. I could spend my entire life blaming every other cunt for my actions, but I choose to make a difference.

As do I. And we are not the only ones. Which is the point we are both making.
The so-called 'common knowledge that all bikers are idiots' is soooo wrong. It is akin to stating that, because some drivers don't wear a seltbelt, or don't pay attention at intersections, etc that all car drivers are idiots.
I for one won't accept higher rego levies because of the idiot-factor. In saying that, the proposed rises have less to do with idiots, than they do with faulty logic on the part of ACC and Govt.

[Katman]

The so-called 'common knowledge that all bikers are idiots' is soooo wrong. It is akin to stating that, because some drivers don't wear a seltbelt, or don't pay attention at intersections, etc that all car drivers are idiots.

No point preaching that to us.

I can't imagine that anyone on here believes that "all bikers are idiots".

I doubt even the most anti-motorcycle car driver, if pushed to answer truthfully, would say that "all bikers are idiots".

The trouble is, the idiot bikers out there are doing their level best to give the impression that we are all idiots.

[Ronin]

The trouble is, the idiot bikers out there are doing their level best to give the impression that we are all idiots.

Jesus wept. Is that a change in the wind I detect?

[Ronin]

You know what pisses me off the most with the above statement?? It doesnt seem to matter what you say on this site, some wanker wants to destroy it.

I personally dont give a shit about the rest of you... I will however be making sure that I think before riding. I could spend my entire life balming every other cunt for my actions, but I choose to make a difference.

So in Summary FUCKOFF all of you.

There....that feels better.......I know some arsehole is going to want to comment, so bring it on

Seems a bit silly to post a comment in a forum designed for such and be upset when your comment is commented upon.

Grow a thicker skin or turn the computer off dude. It's only teh interweb™

[Katman]

Jesus wept. Is that a change in the wind I detect?

Why? Have you been pulling faces again?

[PrincessBandit]

It is akin to stating that, because some drivers don't wear a seltbelt, or don't pay attention at intersections, etc that all car drivers are idiots.

I thought that's what everyone thought anyway on this website?

[jeffs]

Jeffs, jeffs, jeffs............

You really have no idea what I'm on about, do you?

I do get what you are about Katman, I see it every time I log in to KB

"A tendency among riders is to absolve themselves of responsibility for their own safety. Instead, they blame external factors, such as road surfaces and other drivers, for imposing danger on them. It's very easy, especially when confident of your own skills, to scapegoat exterior variables rather than consider how you could ride more safely".

And guess what, in the right context you are not just right, but 150% right, I have absolutely no argument on your statement above.

but in context, and your context does not fit all situations. And that is what you seem to have lost the ability to see.

And the ACC levy increase is an example of incorrect context.

ACC have told everyone what there argument is, and sometimes I think no one on this site is listening ( sorry for the one that do get it ).


I am not justifying the following, just regurgitating it, ( but just so you know where I stand, think its Bull S**t)

The Simple ACC View .

1. In ACC's eyes the demographic of motorbiking in NZ has changed.
2. There are more older higher payed bikers on bigger bikes. Because higher payed people can afford bigger bikes.
3. If a higher payed biker crashes and it required time off work, ACC have to cover 80% of their pay.
4. This means ACC are projecting an increase in costs that is not being covered by the existing levies, and that cost is weighted to bigger bikes.

At no point has ACC said it is because of maniac bikers crashing because they are bad or indifferent to the affect their riding style has on the view of the public.

By definition " Older, higher payed bikers, with families to support are generally not maniac riders."

Even if you cleared up every single bad rider, ACC's argument would still stand ( in their eyes ).

And to prove that point, ACC have included NO additional education program to reduce the accident rate in conjunction with the levies.

Do you get me now ?



Smile added, because i'm sick of fighting you over this and not putting my energy to better use.